Weak Mongols?

[Earl of Sweden]

In every Campaign I have played so far the "Golden Horde" never really makes it. They come, invade maximum 2 territories and then get countered and vanishes in less than 10 years.

Recently Im playing as the Spanish and when the Horde came along the Turks and I tied it for biggest army. I thought that the appearing Horde would cause the Turks some heavy casualties and I hoped they would get weakened so that I maliciously could attack them from Egypt.

Well when the Horde came they toook one territory and attacked another one...the Turks defended succesfully and the year after they wiped out the entire Horde.

It has been like this in all my campaigns so far but I believe that Egypt and the Byzantines took them out in the other campaigns.

Have anyone experienced the Mongols as a power to reckon with? at least for a while?

[Jaret]

Once.

I was playing Italians. The Byzantines took heavy casualties from a combined Turk and Egyptian attack and lost several provinces.
Then the Turks and Egyptians had some disagreements about those new borders and all three parties had been in hard battles ever since. Novgorod couldn´t take out those rebels it started to brawl with ... but the horde could http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif.
They teared Novgorod appart and captured Armenia from the Byzantines. As their border reached Poland and Hungary, the Pope called for an Crusade against them. That call was answered ... by the Spanish, the HRE and the French. Novgorod reappeared after the first Crusade had it´s impact upon the Horde. Eastern Europe and North-West Asia are now a Nova of Colors since all three Crusades and Novgorod have been sucessfull. The Horde still exists but it is only a shadow of it´s former glory.

It lasted some 30 years tho.

[Swoosh So]

They fare well in the late game, ill be making a mod for a powerfull mongol horde that will make you laugh about the fear you had of the elmos in early.


Swooooooooooosh

[7bear7Blade]

Great do that http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Well I saw 2 invasions of them.
Both where over in 2 years.
They reapeared once but didnt last 2 years...
It's a shame really...I always had in mind :
Don't attack yet,the mongols will weaken them for me...

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[Swoosh So]

Im going to name the mongol leader MagyarKhan http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[de la Valette]

Apart from the fact that they arrive with too much siege equipment, the big problem they have is that their best troops are cav and with so many spear units in the game they don't have a chance.

I don't know but i would be willing to bet a fair amount, that historically the horde wouldn't have met such a high concentration of professional spear/pike men so would have had an easier time of it.

Being on a horse is a big disadvantage in this game if the unit is going to be used in melee rather than just for chasing down routers.

[FacelessClock]

Indeed, the unit selection they get when they start out is insanely stupid. The often times have 10 siege weapons, unmoveable trebs and useless Ballistas, and only a handful of decent regular combat units.

[Orion]

I was in 1230 holding all the provinces in the east of Egypt-Austria-Poland line (Playing Turks, hard). Because there was no problem in the east provinces I only left a small garrison (mainly UM's)in all these provinces. Never prepared any specific army for Horde invasion (I want fun!!). When they appeared, I move what I have to Khazar (had to replace some good armies fighting against crusades).
I knew that the first wave will be HCs. But I prepared 2 Xbow, 2 Ghulam Cav. and 2 Step Cav. to increase excitement.

The only exciting movement was, however, seeing the hord's HCs riding fast in the open (in the beginning of tactical battle). It was a good scene.

I positioned my army near a small wood. Giving my left to wood prepared a upside down L with my spears. Separated 1 ghulam cav and 1 steppe cav from the main force in the other side of the map.

I give enough chance to them. But they hanged theirselves to my spears. Replaced xbows and depleted cavalries which were in seperated position. Then I said enough of role-playing!! and hit them with Heavy Jan Inf. (though sacarens and Muhawwids were doing fine). Killed the general, killed anything moving on the map (even try to hit birds to have some fun http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif ). I killed every captive also to punish them because of their stupidity. But had no fun (in fact it was fun but not challenging http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif )

As a result, I behaved that I've no idea about them, I started with an army composition giving them good chances but no. They were not ready to kick my mighty empire. 2/3 of the horde can be horse archers at least, then they may kill more.



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[Satyr]

The game I am playing, I am HRE close to killing all Byz. The turks are small and weak. The Egypts are very strong. The horde has lasted 4 years so far and are doing well helping me to finish off the Byz.

It's those darn elmos that are killing me in the west.

[Ktonos]

Well in my game Mongols emerged from those two territories yesterday.They where both mine(I play the Byzantines).At this period the Almohads master all France,England,Scandinabia and Spain and they are in an endless war with the Germans. I have established a strong and very stable empire from Armenia to the East to the Papal States and Rome to the West, and from Croatia,Serbia and Wallachia to the southeast Medit. islands.The only threat for my Byzantines was the looping comeback of the Pope with huge armies everytime. At the time that I decided to wage war against my peacefull neigbours, the Egyptians...the Horde appeared.Hopefully I had some decent armies at and around Kuzz due to my war with Novogorg. Armenia had a small garison of 300 combined units,mostly merceneries,but luckily my two huge armies which I prepered for the Egyptian Invasion were ready at the borders with Syria,1 turn away from Armenia. I lost both battles,inevitably,but the Mongols suffered big time losses.My Kuzz garrison retreated to the level 2 Castle. The Armenian garrison was reduced to less than 50 defenders.Next round I invated Armenia with my emperors campaign army of 1200 high quality forces and I organized a good defence in Georgia in case the Kuzz Mongole horde come for Asia Minor.The Mongols underestimated my garrison in Kuzz and attacked.The defenders and the castles defences wiped about 1500 of them out.In Armenia I attacked with 4 Varagian,
6 Byz.Inf.,2 Katafractous,2Pronoie Al. and 4 crossbowmen while they had 8 Heavy Cavalry and 5 cavalry archer. I lost 150-200 they 1000+ and the horde was over.

[Rosacrux]

the horde's a joke, definitely. Beef it up, it should be a bloody challenge.

[andymate]

mmmm, i had the golden horde get into franconia when i was playing as the spanish but they were spread to far and i jsut took all there land

[malkuth]

In my current game they became a Med power. The were around for well over 100 years. Only problem is once they settled the acted like other factions and did nothing. Eventually I took them on and like slaughtered them in less then 3 turns.

[Orda Khan]

Mongol leader Magyar Khan ????

Should be Batu surely? Since it was he who attacked Russia and Europe. The Magyars were earlier

......Orda

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[Yoko Kono]

i thot the magyars were hungarian steppe peoples?

[LordTed]

Quote Originally posted by Swoosh So:
Im going to name the mongol leader MagyarKhan http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]

Make a swoosh character and a lordted and all the other wolves too as well lol.