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Ibrahim

06-02-2008, 07:51

new or standard babylonian dialect, rather than Assyrian to be exact-not that it matters, seeing that both dialects were intelligible to each other...:book:

I need to have a few guidelines on telling which verbs are a/a, a/u, a/i, e/e, i/i type, and so on...or a rule of thumb. I have some words that I suspect are of teach particular type, but if anyone can correct, be my guest. I need to know how to tell so i can parse them later:

esheeru: to ready (e/e?)
neru (there is a circumflex on the e, so no its not 600): to kill (e/e?)
shalaa'u: to throw, fling, shoot (i/i?)
abaatu: to flee (confirmed a/u)
here is the source:
http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/cuneiform.languages/dictionary/
is it good? (still under construction though):juggle2:

Lysandros

06-02-2008, 08:24

Ibrahim

06-02-2008, 17:28

I learnt a bit Akkadian, but I'm sorry I cannot answer your question. Anyway, I thought the infinitive ending in Akkadian is -um, not -u?
Edit: I just saw you wrote New Babylonian dialect, so that might be the answer? As far as I remember I learnt Old Akkadian.

yeah this is new Babylonian. the m was dropped from late old Akkadin (both major dialects) onwards. if I recall, most courses teach in the old Akkadian first, then push you into the dialectual issues (like assyrian and Babylonian treatment of the weak consonenets.

but thing is, I don't know if these given types of verbs are the correct ones for sure. anyone in the EB team? *wishes for someone w/Akkadian major*

machinor

06-03-2008, 12:16

Unfortunatly not. :embarassed: I'm planning on making courses in an ancient oriental language for some time now, though. I still have to decide which one... Akkadian or Assyrian kind of seem tempting...

Ibrahim

06-03-2008, 19:05

Sarcasm

06-03-2008, 22:09

anyone know Akkadian?

Where else can you actually start a thread with this title? :beam:

The Persian Cataphract

06-03-2008, 22:18

I've only got basic skills in Middle Aramaïc (Of Eastern type; It differs a bit from the Middle Syriac) and Mandaïc so, no I can't really be of help here, unfortunately.

What was interesting with the site though:

http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/cuneiform.languages/dictionary/03d.png

It must be a conspiracy theory :grin:

It looks so much alike the Derafsh-î Kâviyânîg:

http://www.shahnameh.com/images/06006Fereydoon/06017DerafshKavian.gif

http://www.fouman.com/history/img/Derafsh_Kaviani.jpg

Ibrahim

06-04-2008, 01:15

I saw that. remind me of an apocriphal arab story about that flag. I'll translate:

" the persian shahenshah brought with him his best men, and also his famed banner, the drafshi kavian (that was the transliteration). It is said that the flag appeared when a ruler was repressing his poeple, and a humble blacksmith named ardashir led a revolt against him, in which he took his blacksmith's Apron, and tied it to a staff. he eventually triumphed and was made king, at which the flag was adopted as the royal standard. over time, the flag was replaced by a tiger skin, decked in jewels and gold, and was carried by the finest of the kings men..."
I know its wrong, but kind of idealistic..so I figured I'd share it with you all.

I wonder if the persians wrote a poem or story like that, then the arabs bleieved it...

cmacq

06-04-2008, 03:04

Do you use Akkadian to mean the language proper, or the East Semitic language group?

Ibrahim

06-04-2008, 03:57

Do you use Akkadian to mean the language proper, or the East Semitic language group?
the language proper (bear in mind that there were several dialects-all mutually intelligeble. in this case I need new babylonian)

cmacq

06-04-2008, 04:38

Strange, I thought Neo-Babylonian was a separate late East Semitic language as opposed to Old-Babylonian; an Eblaitic-Amoritic or West Semitic language?

Ibrahim

06-04-2008, 04:53

I know, I understand the confusion. here is how it works:

Akkadian starts out as old akkadian (c.3000-2000BC). it branches off into 2 main lines: old Assyrian, and old babylonian. the former is the more conservative of the 2. in any case both transition to middle assyrian & babylonian, then finally neo Assyrian and babylonian. then there is standard babylonian, which is a lot like middle Assyrian or babylonian, then mari, nuzi, and Boghaskoy dialect (latter was a trade language used by hittites). lets not forget Al-amarna too. all through that time, to my understanding, both maor dialects remained intelligeble throughout the 2 millenia they were poken (last record is around the time of christ-not sure).

anyways, as I said, I need someone who is more experienced with Akkadian than myself, in order to parse several verbs, whom the dictionary neglected to mention the class of.:yes: otherwise, I'm cool with the lishanu akkaditu..