View Full Version : Ships: a waste of money???
TheViking
10-22-2002, 06:01
I conquered all sea zones. Theres only my ships in the water. 4 star ships are controlling the enemy coasts with 3 and 2 star ships.
My problem:
I have around 50-60 maybe as many as 100 (havnt counted them but belive me there´s alot of them) ships that i dont need and costing alot of money i cant disband them. Is there other ways to get rid of them exept from getting them sunk by enemy ships???
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
[This message has been edited by TheViking (edited 10-22-2002).]
Boondock Saint
10-22-2002, 06:04
You cant disband ships? I didnt know that I thought u could ..
That is a real problem ... ships cost way too much to maintain when u arent making money ...
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- Right click on the ship's icon
- Click dismiss
TheViking
10-22-2002, 06:55
And where is this "dismiss button"
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
At the bottom of the right side of the info window........ http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif Are you sure that you're selecting a single ship from the menu in the bottom middle of the screen, by rightclicking on it? the same way you do to dismiss troops.......
TheViking
10-22-2002, 07:08
Yup im sure and the button dont appear
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
I don't know then. I just checked in the game, and it's there. I can send you a screenie if you want, but that's the only thing that I can do. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
TheViking
10-22-2002, 08:00
No probs ill check other saved games, its maybe just another bug
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
RabidMonkey
10-22-2002, 08:58
i cant remember now but i think i may have had a similar problem......... not that that helps much!
Are you sure that you selected only *one* ship ? If you select more then one, you can't disband, but if you only select one it should work fine.
Papa Bear!
10-22-2002, 10:40
The only listed bug that pertains to this, (that I've heard), is that ship info parchements sometimes appear solid black).
I've had this happen myself, so I can at least confirm that, but I'd think you'd notice that.
If you can't dismiss ships, you can at least reduce your maintaining costs. Just move your ships close to their construction port. Though if you have several dockyards in different places thet's a problem. But solvable.
I've disbanded ships - it can be done.
step by step (as I remember it):
1. left-click on a stack of ships
2. right-click on one of the ships (a window pops up)
3. left-click disband at the bottom of the pop-up
4. confirm and it's gone.
Did I get it right ?
TheViking
10-23-2002, 06:38
Magraev:
thats rite atleast when u want to disband land units. But when i try to disband a ship the disband button wont appear when i rite click ONE ship.
Taojah:
Ofcuz im sure.
Papa Bear:
that have happen to me too when i wanted to look at enemy ships (muslim factions)
Sainika:
Thats what i have done, but when u have around 80 ships and they cost 20f each turn thats 1600f all together. Thats much money specially when ur in war and need all the money u can get and only have a profit for 3000.
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
Papa Bear!
10-23-2002, 06:49
how very disturbing...
Oh well, it'll never be fixed in a patch, you'll have to wait for the expansion...
(sorry, but I've become rather discomforted by all the issues not necessarily addressed in the patch, and all the talk around here like we must wait for an expansion for things to work what I would call properly)
To top that off, in the shogun, "should I buy" thread somebody just said that the "hojo horde" bug everyone complained about in STW wasn't fixed unless you bought the expansion. This no make Papa smile.
that said, I'll stick to the topic if I can.
It seems to me that your kinda naval supieority renders almost all wars a non issue. If you're only making 3000 a turn then I'm guessing you're a relatively small empire, and with such an empire and mastery of the seas, you ought to be able to raid aggressively and make huge loads of cash through plundering enemy territories. Furthermore, you ought to be able to raid capably enough to destroy your enemies' abilities to wage war, so you wont need too much income for new troops.
TheViking
10-23-2002, 07:01
The thing is that i own UK, ireland, scandinavia, spain, southern france, the mediterenian (or how u spell it) islands and USA (united states of Africa http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif)
the Byz own whole east map.
some other factions share central europe
I have big armies, enuff to keep all the other factions out of my land exept the Byz which is getting closer with a 12 stack big army. And i only have a 4 stack army where its heading.
If i take units from my other lands the boarding faction will have more men then me and probably attack me.
thats why i have to build more men. and ofcuz i need more money to do that and thats why i want to disband all those ships.
I dont need the ships cuz when the enemy create new ships i have ships enuff ot sink it immidetly
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
phobos010
10-23-2002, 09:46
Alright, look mate, do just as magraev explained.
-left-click on a stack of ships
-then look at the window in the bottom center, you know the one that shows you all the units that are in an army stack or navy stack. This should bring up one parchment that tells the ship's stats and captain.
-alright, now right click on one of those ship icons that are in that center bottom window, whichever ship you would like to disband
-when that is done there should be two parchments instead of one. At the bottom of the right parchment will be the dismiss button.
-left-click the dismiss button
hope that helps and I very serious doubt that this is a "bug", much like most of what people post on this forum as such.
Papa Bear!
10-23-2002, 11:32
Despite the fact that none of us here seem to have seen this, I think we should go ahead and give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. The directions have been spelled out multiple times, maybe it is in fact just another bug.
Maybe not, but if he's just not doing it right furhter explanation probably can't solve it imo. If he is correct, well then nothing to do about it but whine to CA.
Lord Romulous
10-23-2002, 12:25
i playing italy and am thinking i should start a navy of ship hunter killers. cause im going to end up at war soon with a major trading partner who has lots of ships.
my question is
what is a good offensive ship. im thinking firegalleys but do i need better ships thans this to win sea battles consistantly? and how many ships should i have in each offensive stack ?
For the Italians firegalleys is the way to go. Beware the upkeep costs if your navy gets too big.
On the offensive I'd say go with the fastest ship no matter what stats it has, but the quick one Italy has is too expensive imho.
I would always go with the fastest ship, i.e. the dromon. They can't catch you, and you can catch them. Place a few firegalleys where you see that the enemy is actually *stacking* ships, not just placing them as a separate fleets, since the stacked ones will attack if given a chance. Think ahead that Italians don't have any deep sea ships.
TheViking
10-23-2002, 20:31
Phobos010:
I done all that, left click, rite click. The disband button dont appear. Im not a newbie
War at sea:
what i always do is building the fastest ship that the faction allow to attack with 5-10 even more sometimes. And the ships with highest defens i build to protect my own shores 3-5 in each stack depending on the enemys ships and how strong the enemy ships are. In my last seawar i only produced the fastest ships and 6 deepsea ships for the deep water zones
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There I see my father.
There I see my mother, my sisters and brothers.
There I see my line of ancestors back to the beginning.
They call on me and ask me to take my place with them in the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.
[This message has been edited by TheViking (edited 10-23-2002).]
Papa Bear!
10-24-2002, 04:06
well I personally wouldn't advocate sea wars at all. these people seem to have had some luck, but I quit my turkish campaign because my ships couldn't catch anyone, practically ever. (we're talking dhows here, speed 3, can't catch my computer opponents)
Incidentally, you guys use all fast ships? I'd heard that if you use fast ships to catch them, with stronger ships to do the killing, then you get the best of both worlds. (though I haven't found this true for myself).
does anybody think I should go back to my turkish campaign and use big stacks of dhows to do all my fighting, will that really work? (and wont it cost me a crap load to lose all those dhows against warships?)
Odyssey of War
10-24-2002, 04:20
Quote Originally posted by Lord Romulous:
i playing italy and am thinking i should start a navy of ship hunter killers. cause im going to end up at war soon with a major trading partner who has lots of ships.
my question is
what is a good offensive ship. im thinking firegalleys but do i need better ships thans this to win sea battles consistantly? and how many ships should i have in each offensive stack ?[/QUOTE]
As Italy go for Fire Galleys and for Dromons.
The Fire Galleys are the better ships to take out most other ships, but you will need groups of dromons to take out the faster ships that some empires have. Just have more ships in your group than the enemy has and you should be fine, you may lose some in any case (it doesnt seem to matter if you have 1 more or twenty more, I always tend to lose a few even if I have more ships), if anyone knows this to be untrue, please tell me. Also build some other ships for reserve to replace the ones lost.
Once you have eliminated all enemy ships, keep a group of ships in seas where the enemy has coastal provinces. If the enemy starts building more ships, destroy the enemy ships as soon as they hit the water.
Niccolomachiavelli
10-24-2002, 04:24
Yeah, at this point the Russian barques absolutely rape my fleets. I attack, they escape (consistantly) I defend, they win any attacks they make. I suppose Egypt wasnt renowned for their ships. So I have to consign myself to beating the crap out of Russia and utterly erasing it so that their ships will disappear.
Lord Romulous
10-24-2002, 05:13
thanks for your replies guys.
much appreciated. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Quote Originally posted by Papa Bear!:
does anybody think I should go back to my turkish campaign and use big stacks of dhows to do all my fighting, will that really work? (and wont it cost me a crap load to lose all those dhows against warships?)[/QUOTE]
Don't use huge stacks of dhows, split them up in several stacks of 3-4 and have them attack a single target (also, try to have general with a rank in charge of each). This greatly increases the chance of getting them. Do the same with dromons, etc.
I realise that I havent understod nothing about sea battles. So far al my seawars have been victorys, but probably by cheer luck.
My question: What does the speed of the ships do? Do you mean that if I have fast ships I can go into battle even if the enemy was trying to leave the sea province?
(Playing Spain, early exp. The year is around 1230 something)
Sidenote: I've noticed that if you attac the same enemy fleet with two stacks of yours, the game drops.
Have a nice day, fellows. (Got to look like I'm working, the boss i around... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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