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Adrian II
06-22-2008, 13:48
Henry Kissinger often used to say that the styles of national football teams reflect their nation's histories and attitudes.

Some of the examples he gives based on his theory are not bad at all, as far as stuffy footballology from the sidelines goes.

Is he right? Discuss.
World Cup According to Character

The Los Angeles Times
Sunday, June 29, 1986

by: Henry Kissinger

I have been an avid soccer fan ever since my youth in Fuerth, a soccer-mad city of southern Germany, which for some inexplicable reason won three championships in a three-year period. My father despaired of a son who preferred to stand for two hours (there were very few seats) watching a soccer game rather than sit in the comfort at the opera or be protected from the elements in a museum.

Soccer evokes extraordinary passions, especially during the quadrennial World Cup competition ending today in Mexico City. It has been estimated that the Brazilian gross national product suffers a loss of hundreds of millions of dollars for every day Brazil plays, as rabid fans sit before television sets or radios. Statistics in other soccer citadels must be comparable.

Soccer lends itself to a competition of national teams because it requires an extraordinary combination of individual skill, teamwork and strategic sense. Since there are 11 players on each side engaged in continuous action, every game produces tactical necessities to be solved by improvisation on the playing field.

This was true even in my youth when soccer was much less complex and much more oriented to the offense. Then there were five forwards, three midfield players, two fullbacks and a goalie. The offense being numerically superior to the defense, goals were much more frequent then. By the late 1930s, managers sought to overcome this advantage by assigning the center half to shadow the opposing center forward. The creation of three de facto fullbacks constricted the attack which since time immemorial had been built around the center forward.

In the early 1950s, the Hungarians showed how to overwhelm this defense, turning their center forward into a decoy. He would move to the sidelines or toward midfield, drawing the shadowing defensive player out of position, creating an empty space in front of the goal.

But as in military strategy every offensive maneuver in soccer evokes a compensating defensive move. The answer to the roving center forward was a zone defense; defensive players were required to cover a certain area regardless of which player was attacking. Total soccer was invented soon thereafter; all players had to be able to defend as well as attack and to shift from one mode to another with extreme rapidity.

The modern style of soccer in fact emphasizes defense — with few exceptions like Brazil, Argentina and France. The basic alignment has become four defensive and four midfield players; the forwards have shrunk to two. Massed defenses can in general be overcome only by rapid thrusts involving very accurate passing. The result is a very tactical game, its complexity becoming a fascinating reflection of national attitudes.

The styles of leading soccer powers like West Germany, Brazil, Italy and England illustrate this point.

West Germany, a finalist today, is, with Italy and Brazil, the most successful team of the modern era. West German soccer entered the postwar era with no particular legacy. Postwar Germany's newly professional soccer being as novel as the frontiers of the state it represents, it could adopt total soccer with a vengeance. The German national team plays the way its general staff prepared for the war; games are meticulously planned, each player skilled in both attack and defense. Intricate pass patterns evolve, starting right in front of the German goal. Anything achievable by human foresight, careful preparation and hard work is accounted for.

And there have been great successes. Of the last six prior World Cups, Germany has won two, was second twice, third once and out of the running only in 1978. At the same time, the German national team suffers from the same disability as the famous Schlieffen plan for German strategy in World War I. There is a limit to human foresight; psychological stress on those charged with executing excessively complex maneuvers cannot be calculated in advance. If the German team falls behind, or if its intricate approach yields no results, its game is shadowed by the underlying national premonition that in the end even the most dedicated effort will go unrewarded, by the nightmare that ultimately fate is cruel — a nightmare reinforced by the knowledge that the German media are unmerciful when high expectations go unfulfilled. The impression is unavoidable that an outstanding national soccer team has not brought a proportionate amount of joy to a people that may not in its heart of hearts believe joy is the ultimate national destiny.

Brazil suffers no such inhibitions. Its national teams are an assertion that virtue without joy is a contradiction in terms. Brazilian teams display a contagious exuberance; Brazilian fans cheer them on to the ecstatic beat of samba bands. Brazil always has the most acrobatic players, the individuals one cannot forget whatever the outcome of the match. But, as in Brazil's political institutions, this individualism is combined with an extraordinary ability to make the practical arrangements required for effective national performance. As a result, Brazil has appeared in more World Cups and won more than any other team. It was eliminated in the quarterfinals of the current competition partly as a result of an egregious seeding placing Italy, the old World Cup holder; France, the European champion, and two potential champions — Brazil and West Germany — in the same half of a sudden-death elimination round, while the other half contained only one team, Argentina — today's other finalist — that has ever been in the final four.

To be sure, the Brazilians, being human, cannot avoid some weaknesses. The players sometimes are so intoxicated by their brilliant maneuvers that they occasionally forget the purpose of the exercise is to score goals. And I have never seen an outstanding Brazilian goal-keeper. Perhaps the task is too lonely; the goalkeeper after all has to stay put while his teammates enjoy themselves tracing clever pass patterns on the turf. Or perhaps the only purely defensive assignment on a team offends the Brazilian self-image.

Yet a Brazilian team on the attack — which is most of the time — looks like a dancing band at carnival. Wave after wave of yellow shirts roll against the opposing goal until the opposition is overwhelmed without being humiliated; it is no disgrace to be defeated by a team whose style no one else can imitate.

Italy's record places it among the top teams of world soccer although it fell victim to the same absurd seeding as Brazil. The Italian style reflects the national conviction, forged by the vicissitudes of an ancient history, that the grim struggle for survival must be based on a careful husbanding of energy for the main task. It presupposes a correct assessment of the opponent's character, paired with an unostentatious and matter-of-fact perseverance that obscures many intricate levels on which the competition takes place. The initial objective of Italian teams is to force the opponent out of his game plan, to wreck his concentration and to induce him to abandon his preferred style. In the early stages of a match, the Italian team tends to look destructive and purely defensive — a style achievable only by extreme toughness and discipline. But once the Italian team has imposed its pattern, it can play some of the most effective, even beautiful soccer in the world — though it will never waste energy simply on looking good.

No discussion of national soccer styles can be complete without reference to England. Before World War II and for nearly a decade after, England was clearly the dominant power. I say England, because for purposes of international soccer, the United Kingdom fields four teams: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. A single United Kingdom team using the best players from each would be even more formidable.

The decline in the fortunes of the English team is, in my view, primarily caused by a refusal to adapt to the tactics of the modern era. Before World War II, the English team overwhelmed its opponents with speed, power and condition. But as defenses massed, the English quick-breaking style lost much of its effectiveness; as most of Europe went over to professional soccer, the advantage of superior conditioning eroded. Yet England refused to adapt its tactical plan to the passing game needed to break open the modern defense.

The English national team had never lost a game at home until 1954, when Hungary prevailed with its roving center forward. Since then, the English team has gradually declined. It is steady, reliable, tough. It never yields to panic. It is never defeated one-sidedly. It achieves everything attainable by character and tenacity. Regrettably — because I thought the pre-World War II game was more fun to watch — it has also been somewhat pedantic, as if in nostalgic thrall to a bygone era. England has never won a European championship; it has prevailed only once in the World Cup and that was 20 years ago playing before its own fans. All of us who enjoy England's muscular game hope that England's relative success in the current matches heralds a real revival.

The World Cup arouses passions because it involves both an athletic competition and a contest of national styles. It can be no accident that the most offensive-minded and elegant European team is France, only recently become a soccer power; that no team from a communist country (except Hungary, in 1954) has ever reached the World Cup finals or semifinals. Too much stereotyped planning destroys the creativity indispensable for effective soccer.

Soccer has never taken hold in the United States partly because neither a national team nor a national style has been encouraged. Still, as an unreconstructed fan, I hope for another attempt to popularize the sport, perhaps by holding the next World Cup slated for the Western Hemisphere (1994) in this country.

Pannonian
06-22-2008, 14:38
Have you read "Football against the enemy" by Simon Kuiper? There's a bit in there where he describes a match between Botswana and Niger, and just from looking at them play one could tell which used to be a British colony and which used to be a French colony. The Botswanans were very physical, but tended to hoof the ball forward. The Nigeriens were skilful and quick, but tended to get shoved off the ball and go to ground easily. There was also a description of the 1992 Euros, and how the Dutch were absolutely shattered, not because they went out, but because they went out to Germany. Things looked up in the final though, as the Germans were beaten by Denmark, another of the countries they occupied in WW2.

Brings to mind a comment made by Jorge Valdano, who said the highlight of the 1986 world cup wasn't their winning the cup, but beating England in the quarters. Another historical note might be the notorious underperformance of the England cricket team at Lord's, where just about every visiting team would be perked up by the prospect of humiliating their former overlords at their own headquarters.

naut
06-22-2008, 15:04
Hmmm, I can see it in some teams, but not in others. For example, Russia, they don't play using human waves and sheer manpower. But, maybe that's just Hiddink.

scotchedpommes
06-22-2008, 15:24
For example, Russia, they don't play using human waves and sheer manpower. But, maybe that's just Hiddink.
Wave after wave of attack in extra time, and fitness clearly beyond that of their opponents... :sweatdrop:

Adrian II
06-22-2008, 15:39
Hmmm, I can see it in some teams, but not in others. For example, Russia, they don't play using human waves and sheer manpower.Russians play chess! Teamwork + combination.

Kissinger does not say that national teams reflect the military history of a country. Or that international games recreate the specific history between the two countries playing.

I believe all he is saying is that a national team and their game reflect their kind of society.

Marshal Murat
06-22-2008, 16:10
national teams reflect the military history of a country
Today we have the results of the game between Tunisia and Italy. The Tunisians score some early goals, actually killed several Italian players who were promptly replaced by teenagers, but ended up losing when the Italians finally scored a goal. Tunisia 3, Italy 1. The Tunisian captain Hannibal promptly joined the Turkish, Syrian, and Lebanese teams before committing suicide after they were defeated by Italy. The Tunisian stadium was then burnt to the ground and all team members absorbed into the Italian team.

Banquo's Ghost
06-22-2008, 19:58
I don't know enough about soccer to comment, but I believe it is certainly true of national rugby teams, so why not soccer?

I certainly wouldn't claim any national characteristics for the Irish soccer farce team but most certainly for the rugger team. And I suspect the English would much rather embrace their traditional virtues of courage, dogged resistance and single mindedness (seen in their rugger team most spectacularly in the recent World Cup) than the overpaid, limp-wristed surrender monkeys that represent them at soccer. ~;p

English assassin
06-22-2008, 22:51
...the English would much rather embrace their traditional virtues of courage, dogged resistance and single mindedness (seen in their rugger team most spectacularly in the recent World Cup)

Huzzah ! I think we should ONLY play sports which require courage, dogged resistance and single mindedness, and ideally where any smart alec who tries to play with any sort of creativity or flair can be pounded into the mud. Creativity and flair are deeply suspect.

I also think we should be allowed to choose what sports we play against what countries, since we invented them all. All England - South Africa matches would henceforth be football, Germany would only be allowed to play England at cricket, and particularly tricky opponents (Australia) would be required to play the Eton Wall Game.

Afonso I of Portugal
06-22-2008, 22:59
Today we have the results of the game between Tunisia and Italy. The Tunisians score some early goals, actually killed several Italian players who were promptly replaced by teenagers, but ended up losing when the Italians finally scored a goal. Tunisia 3, Italy 1. The Tunisian captain Hannibal promptly joined the Turkish, Syrian, and Lebanese teams before committing suicide after they were defeated by Italy. The Tunisian stadium was then burnt to the ground and all team members absorbed into the Italian team.

:laugh4:

PBI
06-23-2008, 12:44
I guess another example would be the Paraguayan team; a stubborn and determined defensive unit, their doggedness and refusal to accept defeat even in the face of overwhelming odds compensating for their relative weakness in terms of footballing ability, even the most talented of teams will find wearing them down frustrating and exhausting. Could equally well describe the War of the Triple Alliance.

Moros
06-23-2008, 13:01
"The modern style of soccer in fact emphasizes defense — with few exceptions like Brazil, Argentina and France. The basic alignment has become four defensive and four midfield players; the forwards have shrunk to two. Massed defenses can in general be overcome only by rapid thrusts involving very accurate passing. The result is a very tactical game, its complexity becoming a fascinating reflection of national attitudes. "
France? Boy they gotta be outdated.

Personally I think its nothing more and less than bollocks.

Adrian II
06-23-2008, 13:42
France? Boy they gotta be outdated.

Personally I think its nothing more and less than bollocks.I'll give you a clue. The date of publication is in the article. Do you think you can find it?

Louis VI the Fat
06-23-2008, 14:07
I don't know enough about soccer to comment, but I believe it is certainly true of national rugby teams, so why not soccer?I knew you'd bring rugger up in this topic! Rugby lore has it that national teams reflect national character. And they do, moreso than association football teams. It would be interesting to compare, then, the culture of national football teams with rugby teams, to check for similarities. Which would stud the Kissinger thesis. Unfortunately, not a lot of rugby nations are traditional football powers.

For France, both rugger and footy reflect national character. A brilliant attacking game performed with flair to the point of sheer elegance. At other times, the world's biggest bunch of whinging, sulking and infighting bunch of *persons performing an unspeakable manual act*. And what's more, one never knows just which of the two aspects will prevail on the day. The French teams were born to prove Kissinger right. National character in a nutshell.
France also shows that each public gets the team it deserves. French audiences don't share the passion and exuberance in the stands of the other Latin countries. Nor the energy and singing of the British audiences, the party atmosphere of the Dutch or the drunk hordes of Germany and the East. Just mostly quiet spectators, who'll only break their incessant moaning and sulking for a half-hearted 'allez les Bleus!'
Case in point: Thierry Henry broke the all-time goal scoring record for les Bleus a few months ago. Then he played his 100th international game a bit later in front of a home crowd. The audience response? Boo's and jeers. Is it any wonder that he spend his two weeks at the tournament sulking?

Scotland, too, reflects its character in both rugby and football alike. Never the top dog, but always a proud team that bravely fights its way to inevitable defeat.

Argentina is a good example too. Their football is entirely different from Brazil. It's fast, furious aggressive and very artistic. Just like their rugger. For national character, all that's missing is a sense of melancholy. I wouldn't know how that would trnaslate into football though.

Irish football....let's just say that they're green and everybody likes 'em. On the upside, in rugby, the current Irish Golden Generation of players have been raking in the trophies. ~;)

Italy is difficult. In football, they are usually the better side, whereas in rugby they play as underdogs. A new rugby nation in the making. Difficult to compare.

The England rugby team I'll refrain from commenting on as they are currently under fire for being binge-drinking gang-rapists. Pityful. England deservers better.

Rhyfelwyr
06-24-2008, 00:18
1986? Wow, we Orgahs are behind with the times... :sweatdrop:

France as an attacking team. :laugh4:

I like the idea of the football teams attitudes reflecting their national history, I used to wonder about it quite a bit.

Looking at Scotland's recent Euro qualifiers, you can see that while the nation is small and lacks quality troops, the determination and stamina created by hard lives allows them to give their opponents a tough time. But as at Mons Graupius, the Romans quality prevailed at Hampden and crushed the Scots.

Portugal and Spain play with all the pace and flair you would expect of the light skirmishing troops of the Lusotannan, and later the Jinetes etc of Andalus. And as a former Portguese colony Brazil plays with similar flair. Not sure about Andorra. I suppose if a nation that size can fare better against Russia than Holland can then they can't be that bad.

As with the Ibero-Celts, the Gauls of France represent the attacking nature of the older French national teams (around the time of the article). But the Frankish invasion represents a turn towards much more defensive, efficient (although recently rubbish), Germanic style football.

The discipline of the Greek side of four years ago is just what you would expect from the heirs of the Roman Empire. Defensively solid, flexible in the attack, and tactically unsurpassed. Just like a Roman Manipular formation (*waits for pro-phalangists*...).

And the Turks just never know when they are beaten. Players such as Nihat represent the pace of the older nomadic Turkish armies, which coach Fatih drills Ottoman discipline into his players! Even the team composition represents the old armies. I noticed one player crossing himself - obviously from the Janissary corps.

In some cases though this idea really doesn't work. Despite being a Calvinist nation, the Dutch gave us the best and more flairful performances of the tournament so far. And Sweden were too defensive for a nation of Viking raiders.

Vladimir
06-28-2008, 19:16
Is that why Germany beat the Turks? ~;p

That's a good read but is he using his own preconceptions to bias his view on each team's style? Sure some of the cultural characteristics from each nation will find their way into the sport but how much?

If not then why the hell can't the US produce a decent soccer team?!