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Craterus
07-20-2008, 21:21
Adds up with what I said too.
Vote for Sigurd people.
Interesting... Vote: Khaan
seireikhaan
07-20-2008, 21:37
Interesting... Vote: Khaan
:inquisitive: Pray tell as to why your vote, Strawberry?
Well I was suspicious of that first PM, might as well
vote:Sigurd
FactionHeir
07-20-2008, 22:56
Doubtful that khaan is the detective. Afaik private reveals are usually forbidden in games, so how would GH get khaan's full role PM? And even if it were true, how can we be sure he didn't fake a role PM?
seireikhaan
07-20-2008, 23:12
FactionHeir, private reveals are only banned if the host states so; many games have allowed them. Furthermore, there wasn't any problem with giving GH the role PM; I did it when I revealed. If you read the rules, there is no such ban on private reveals, or even sharing role PM's.
As for a fake; :shrug: I guess that's up to everyone else's judgement as to whether or not I could have faked it.
Craterus
07-20-2008, 23:14
It's interesting that you've revealed after GH has gone. I guess you were waiting for the morning but... who knows. I believe you for now.
seireikhaan
07-20-2008, 23:44
It's interesting that you've revealed after GH has gone. I guess you were waiting for the morning but... who knows. I believe you for now.
Well yes, of course. The results GH had given were all the results I'd had until this night phase was over. Furthermore, if I'd revealed before the night was over, I would not only have not had any new info to show, I would have likely been killed as well. That would have been extremely counter productive.
Crazed Rabbit
07-20-2008, 23:55
ATTENTION!!!
I am the real detective! I gave my previous results, as well as my role PM to General Hankerchief after I found him to be innocent on night one. I have once again investigated Sigurd Fafnesbane, and I have achieved a guilty result on him. And we can see that clearly, Sigurd did not want Cronos to be lynched, which tells us that Cronos must be guilty as well.
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Tally:
Sigurd Fafnesbane- 2(Khaan, Craterus)
You lie. Lynch khaan, he is mafia.
I was killed in the night, but I was protected by two people. That can only mean one thing.
And so I know khaan to be a liar who must be lynched.
CR
Wait wait. If GH SAID that he was detective, why is he alive?
vote:khaan
What if khaan(confirmed mafia) and GH are the mafiosi?
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:17
You lie. Lynch khaan, he is mafia.
I was killed in the night, but I was protected by two people. That can only mean one thing.
And so I know khaan to be a liar who must be lynched.
CR
:no: If the town actually lynches its own detective, it deserves to lose. Hard.
BTW, I fail to see how your death means I am a liar.
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:19
Wait wait. If GH SAID that he was detective, why is he alive?
vote:khaan
What if khaan(confirmed mafia) and GH are the mafiosi?
Caius, GH isn't the detective. He revealed proxy to help make sure I wasn't killed so I could keep investigating. It would work if the town would actually figure this out and pull its head out of its :daisy:
Crazed Rabbit
07-21-2008, 00:20
BTW, I fail to see how your death means I am a liar.
I know you are lying, and I am proven innocent. So you should be lynched.
CR
Beefy187
07-21-2008, 00:21
You got 9 men left and 1 kill each night. So the best move would be to trust Khaan least for couple nights until you make your decision. Not that hard if you all stay active.
The worst move is to let the mafias allow to lynch the real detective.
Am I wrong?
:no: If the town actually lynches its own detective, it deserves to lose. Hard.
BTW, I fail to see how your death means I am a liar.
We all know you are trying to kill Sigurd because he is the most active pro-town player. Give up scum. You are tryng to kill the discussion, who was promoted all the time by Sigurd Fafnesbane. That's why you are lying. Very good try, but it was not enough, khaan the guilty.
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:23
I know you are lying, and I am proven innocent. So you should be lynched.
CR
If you "know" I am lying, then why don't you share the evidence?
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:30
We all know you are trying to kill Sigurd because he is the most active pro-town player. Give up scum. You are tryng to kill the discussion, who was promoted all the time by Sigurd Fafnesbane. That's why you are lying. Very good try, but it was not enough, khaan the guilty.
:inquisitive: Yes, I am soooooo killing discussion, I only have half the posts for this last page. Sigurd is scum, trying to direct the traffic of discussion just like Sasaki did in Taormina. And now I present evidence, and you still won't believe. Me and GH both had Sigurd pegged from early on as acting scummy, hence why we've both been voting for him.
Crazed Rabbit
07-21-2008, 00:32
You got 9 men left and 1 kill each night. So the best move would be to trust Khaan least for couple nights until you make your decision. Not that hard if you all stay active.
The worst move is to let the mafias allow to lynch the real detective.
Am I wrong?
No, you're wrong. We know khaan is lying and he should be lynched right now.
The evidence of my innocence is that I was killed in the night, while protected by two people. That can only mean one thing.
I also know Sigurd to be innocent. I, a confirmed innocent player, am vouching for him. khaan has accused him, and so I know khaan to be lying.
CR
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:41
No, you're wrong. We know khaan is lying and he should be lynched right now.
The evidence of my innocence is that I was killed in the night, while protected by two people. That can only mean one thing.
I also know Sigurd to be innocent. I, a confirmed innocent player, am vouching for him. khaan has accused him, and so I know khaan to be lying.
CR
CR, out with it. Just because you were killed while being with 2 other people, which, btw, gives you a 50% chance of not being killed, does not mean that you have any kind of reason or evidence against someone else. You've got nothing, and I would like it if you would stop messing with the town. I would also enjoy hearing your story of why you vouch for Sigurd's innocence.
CR, out with it. Just because you were killed while being with 2 other people, which, btw, gives you a 50% chance of not being killed, does not mean that you have any kind of reason or evidence against someone else. You've got nothing, and I would like it if you would stop messing with the town. I would also enjoy hearing your story of why you vouch for Sigurd's innocence.
Where you involved in a protection during the night CR was killed?
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:49
Where you involved in a protection during the night CR was killed?
No. I've been investigating, obviously. :annoyed:
:inquisitive: Pray tell as to why your vote, Strawberry?
It all seems a little out of whack.
GH leaves for a week, and the day after he's gone you claim you're the detective. Knowing that he won't be able to come and confirm what you're saying.
Why would GH reveal for you? It's not like anything he revealed helped.
Help me make sense of it khaan, because I don't see the reason.
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:54
It all seems a little out of whack.
GH leaves for a week, and the day after he's gone you claim you're the detective. Knowing that he won't be able to come and confirm what you're saying.
Why would GH reveal for you? It's not like anything he revealed helped.
Help me make sense of it khaan, because I don't see the reason.
It was to help make sure I lasted at least one more round so I could get a definitive result on Sigurd. Me and GH were both very concerned about his behavior in the thread. Either way, it was going to help the town, because we could either catch a mafioso, or clear the town's leading dialogue instigator of any suspicion. We figured if GH revealed, that he would be targeted, and this would give me a much better chance of figuring out what Sigurd was up to. I didn't know about GH leaving until we exchanged PM's when I gave him the last result I'd had before he left, when Sigurd showed up as unclear.
Hm. I will Unvote: Sigurd Fafnesbane, and Vote: Quintus. Following the easy bandwagon, just like I'm doing right now. Also, I'm feeling a little more inclined towards letting Sigurd stay awhile longer, though I'm a bit confused as to why the suspicion towards me. Only thing I've heard so far is that I 'look guilty'. :confused:
EDIT:
Tally-
Both Quintus and Sigurd have been suspicious enough, in my mind, to be lynched, but I'm not sure whether either should necessarily be lynched. Well, its a tie atm and I guess we'll see how things go
Anyways,
Updated Tally:
Tally:
Quintus 5 (Cronos, Khaan, Andres, Tevash, Sigurd)
Sigurd Fafnesbane : 2 (GH, Quintus)
Cronos Impera: 2 (Beefy, CR,)
TevashSzat: 1 (Craterus)
Caius 1 (shlin28)
not voting: 2 (EF, Ichigo)
:inquisitive:
Crazed Rabbit
07-21-2008, 00:56
Where you involved in a protection during the night CR was killed?
khaan certainly wasn't. I suspect he was the one who killed me.
CR, out with it. Just because you were killed while being with 2 other people, which, btw, gives you a 50% chance of not being killed, does not mean that you have any kind of reason or evidence against someone else. You've got nothing, and I would like it if you would stop messing with the town. I would also enjoy hearing your story of why you vouch for Sigurd's innocence.
I didn't have evidence against you until you lied about someone I know to be innocent.
Now, I'm not sure what I can say to the role I had before my death, but suffice to say it was such that I know Sigurd to be innocent.
Now, why would someone who was killed vouch for a puritan? Your argument doesn't make any sense. You are the one trying to lead the town astray, and I think the town will have won with your death.
CR
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 00:58
khaan certainly wasn't. I suspect he was the one who killed me.
I didn't have evidence against you until you lied about someone I know to be innocent.
Now, I'm not sure what I can say to the role I had before my death, but suffice to say it was such that I know Sigurd to be innocent.
Now, why would someone who was killed vouch for a puritan? Your argument doesn't make any sense. You are the one trying to lead the town astray, and I think the town will have won with your death.
CR
Perhaps then, because you had the secret role? Of whose alignment is currently unknown? You seem to have admitted to having a role, that is for certain.
No. I've been investigating, obviously. :annoyed:
Yes, but the way I interprete CR's statements is as follows: you were involved in a protection of him and that protection failed.
Now, you said that protections have a 50% of failure. But now you say you weren't involved in a protection. This is contradictory with CR's statements as I interprete them.
CR has been killed so he's supposed to be innocent.
You have to admit that something just doesn't sound right, makaikhaan...
Vote : makaikhaan
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 01:00
:inquisitive:
Ichigo, that was before I had gotten any kind of definitive result on Sigurd.
Andres, read CR's post. I have said I was not in any kind of protection group, and so does CR.
khaan certainly wasn't. I suspect he was the one who killed me.
Ah, ok.
Unvote : makaikhaan
Now, what makes you believe that? Do you 'suspect' him, are you sure or are you as good as sure?
In case you are restricted to say too much because you're dead, is there anyone who can back you up?
Now, I'm not sure what I can say to the role I had before my death, but suffice to say it was such that I know Sigurd to be innocent.
How about Cronos Impera?
Crazed Rabbit
07-21-2008, 01:09
Perhaps then, because you had the secret role? Of whose alignment is currently unknown? You seem to have admitted to having a role, that is for certain.
Oh, the alignment is well known as pro-town:
The prostitutes are like the ordinary townies, but they are in sorted into a set of small groups of fellow prostitutes (three or four people). These groups are comparable to those of "The Brotherhood - Part II", a mafia game I hosted a while back, only without the infiltrators.
Essentially, the prostitutes know the identity of other people in their group and can protect or kill targets with others in their group on night phases assigned to them. All choices made by the group must be unanimously made and all members must send me a PM.
The prostitute groups also have a defence mechanism provided to them. If any members of a prostitute group have attempts made on their life, they have a chance of survival due to the protection provided by other group members. There is a 50% chance of survival when all three group members are alive and 25% when two group members are alive. This does not apply if the group is performing actions on that night however.
Crazed Rabbit, unlike Tevash, was in a deep sleep, dreaming about the life that was always desired - wealth and riches rather than the poverty that was being suffered now. Regardless of this deep sleep Crazed Rabbit was suddenly awoken by a dramatic comotion that was occuring in the room. Three sillouettes were fighting against each other in a violent wreastling battle. Suddenly one of the figures removed a knife from his pocket, and lashed out causing them both to flee for their lives against this powerful assailent.
As the murdered approched, Crazed Rabbit attempted to defend himself, but soon was overpowered as he felt the metal enter his chest and watched blood spill across the floor.
Before leaving, the attacker made an incision in the area containing the kidneys. He removed one and, after cutting the second out, threw it across the room leaving a blood stain where it had hit the wall.
Now, what makes you believe that? Do you 'suspect' him, are you sure or are you as good as sure?
Like I said, I didn't suspect him until he claimed to be detective (very shadily, I must say) and said Sigurd was guilty. Let me be clear that I know Sigurd to be innocent.
Therefore, khaan must be lying. And he was saying that an innocent person was guilty, and should be lynched. I deduced from these actions that he is a mafioso/puritan.
EDIT: I don't know about cronos, but since khaan is trying to get him lynched, I think cronos is innocent.
CR
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 01:18
Oh, the alignment is well known as pro-town:
Like I said, I didn't suspect him until he claimed to be detective (very shadily, I must say) and said Sigurd was guilty. Let me be clear that I know Sigurd to be innocent.
Therefore, khaan must be lying. And he was saying that an innocent person was guilty, and should be lynched. I deduced from these actions that he is a mafioso/puritan.
EDIT: I don't know about cronos, but since khaan is trying to get him lynched, I think cronos is innocent.
CR
CR, be clear. On what grounds do you have that Sigurd is absolutely innocent, beyond any shadow of a doubt. If its something you're not allowed to reveal because your dead, than say so. Don't be simply issuing statements with nothing backing them.
Craterus
07-21-2008, 01:23
Why are you asking questions? Surely you've got the guilty result on Sigurd anyway? Nothing CR can know can disprove your detective investigations so why inquire?
Strike 2.
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 01:25
Why are you asking questions? Surely you've got the guilty result on Sigurd anyway? Nothing CR can know can disprove your detective investigations so why inquire?
Strike 2.
Craterus, I'm inquiring so I can disprove it. People stating bold proclamations with no backing only hurts the town. If I can disprove CR's statement, than it defacto shows the rest of the townies that I'm the one telling the truth.
Crazed Rabbit
07-21-2008, 01:27
CR, be clear. On what grounds do you have that Sigurd is absolutely innocent, beyond any shadow of a doubt. If its something you're not allowed to reveal because your dead, than say so. Don't be simply issuing statements with nothing backing them.
Okay. I had a role, as part of a group of three pro-town people. Sigurd was (or is) in that group as well. That's how I know.
Nothing CR can know can disprove your detective investigations so why inquire?
Um, yes it can. Because he's lying about having detective results. A confirmed innocent - me, is vouching for his target. Khaan is not proven innocent at all.
CR
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 01:33
Okay. I had a role, as part of a group of three pro-town people. Sigurd was (or is) in that group as well. That's how I know.
Um, yes it can. Because he's lying about having detective results. A confirmed innocent - me, is vouching for his target. Khaan is not proven innocent at all.
CR
Ah, so we have found it then. Well played, good sirs, well played. Guess you deserve to win after all, that was quite creative.
Not that anyone will probably believe me at this point, but I'll rant on about my theory regarding this. CR, Cronos, and Sigurd were/are the three mafioso/puritans. Somewhere along the line, they found a group of prostitutes to keep one of them company, in case the serial killer attacked them. CR was attacked by the serial killer, who navigated the prostitution protection, aided by the fact there were only 2 of them, presumably that one of them was killed previously. Of course, this easily grants CR the guise of innocence, and grants the rest of them innocence as well, because CR can now 'vouch' for them.
:bow: Congratulations, boys, well done. I now await my lynching dutifully.
EDIT: Please do make sure to give us the quicktopic link(s) when this is all over, I'm sure it will be quite a read.
Crazed Rabbit
07-21-2008, 01:46
Oh, get if off it puritan.
No one believes you because your story is incredulous. No-one will back up your story because the only people who provided protection to me were the other prostitutes. According to you, there should be three other people who will agree that they were asked to protect me, or knew about it.
But there simply isn't. The only people who protected me will agree with me about your guilt.
So don't pull the mafia trick of pretending to take your hat off to people you accuse of being mafia.
CR
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 01:49
Oh, get if off it puritan.
No one believes you because your story is incredulous. No-one will back up your story because the only people who provided protection to me were the other prostitutes. According to you, there should be three other people who will agree that they were asked to protect me, or knew about it.
But there simply isn't. The only people who protected me will agree with me about your guilt.
So don't pull the mafia trick of pretending to take your hat off to people you accuse of being mafia.
CR
Hehe. You bet its incredulous. Hence my, "not that anyone will probably believe me" line. I wasn't kidding or lying. It sounds insane. But then, it was insane in Ichigo's last mafia that I could possibly have accused Kage of being mafia when a detective had allegedly found him innocent. Crazier things have happened, but this is waaaaay up there.
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 02:04
...
Something just struck me. CR, did your group happen to kill anyone? Or perhaps Sigurd could confirm this?
...
Something just struck me. CR, did your group happen to kill anyone? Or perhaps Sigurd could confirm this?
His group killed someone.
Ichigo, that was before I had gotten any kind of definitive result on Sigurd.
I still don't understand why you changed your vote. Why is the question. Why? Why? WHY? :sweatdrop:
Both Quintus and Sigurd have been suspicious enough, in my mind, to be lynched, but I'm not sure whether either should necessarily be lynched. Well, its a tie atm and I guess we'll see how things go
You are a client of the Brothel who is a spy disguised as a client.
During the day you may, as is the case with all other players, vote for whom you think has intentions opposed to the clients and prostitutes.
During the night, however, you have an additional ability. You may investigate one person with the aim of finding out what rol do they have. You will gain exact results for each person:
Client
Prostitute
Puritan
Pro - protitute roles
Secret roles (if any)
Every night, you may drop me a PM with the name of the person you want to spy. If you manage to survive that night, you will receive a PM with the results. Bear in mind that your life runs danger, as you are unprotected like a client.
If you have any problems feel free to drop me a PM ~:)
I have to reveal, then. I'm the spy. Its the "secret role" of the game, as it is not listed in the list of roles.
Here are my results:
N1:Elite Ferret : Client
N2:Quintius J.Cicero : Client
N3:Sigurd Fafnesbane : Prostitute
N4:makaikhaan: Puritan
I contacted Sigurd after knowing he was a prostitute, and thats why I know that CR and Sigurd (the third one was protected just in case I was lying) performed a kill.
Sigurd is prostitute. You are puritan. Lets vote him, he is using GH role to lead us to defeat!
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 05:21
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I have to reveal, then. I'm the spy. Its the "secret role" of the game, as it is not listed in the list of roles.
Here are my results:
N1:Elite Ferret : Client
N2:Quintius J.Cicero : Client
N3:Sigurd Fafnesbane : Prostitute
N4:makaikhaan: Puritan
[/COLOR]I contacted Sigurd after knowing he was a prostitute, and thats why I know that CR and Sigurd (the third one was protected just in case I was lying) performed a kill.
Sigurd is prostitute. You are puritan. Lets vote him, he is using GH role to lead us to defeat!
:no: Now I know you're fibbing, Caius. That PM is so blatantly a rip off of the PM that GH posted earlier. I am not puritan. I don't know what you're up to. However, if Sigurd's group killed someone, than that would indeed explain my investigation result. I'm assuming that it was Rythmic you killed. However, it would seem that Rythmic had been innocent. As a result of the fact that Sigurd had helped murder an innocent client/prostitute, he showed up as guilty, because he did something 'anti prostitute' so to speak. Therefore, I will unvote: Sigurd and Vote: Caius. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by trying to steal my role claim.
EDIT: One more thing, there's way too many errors in that 'PM' you claimed to have been Omanes'. And we all know you don't have the best english.
Lol, I knew it. We are prostitues with sigurd and CR. We killed tevash. We are focusing in the wrong ones. We are not puritans. You have to believe us. WE killed Tevash because he said something very scummy at the fisrt stage of the game. Sigurd is innocent, but we chose the wrong one. Sigurd can confirm this.
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 07:45
:dizzy2:
If you guys had set out to make sure you tried your very best to confuse the hell out of me, you did an excellent job. If this is all indeed true, Caius, it would very much explain the current mess. You claim to have killed Tevash. Firstly, I'd like to reprimand the group for thinking that the detective didn't notice his behavior. I investigated him night 2, and if you had been more patient, you wouldn't have murdered an innocent person. Secondly, since you all killed an innocent person, my guess is that Sigurd showed up as guilty precisely because of it.
So, I guess for the time being, unvote: Caius
PS- I don't know what your little reveal was supposed to do. :dizzy2:
seireikhaan
07-21-2008, 07:49
Okay, a little reviewing of the thread...
Vote: Elite Ferret
He's been lurking ever since he got back, and for whatever reason, there was one less kill on night one.
I am very tempted to vote you makaikhaan.
Yes I am one of the prostitutes. TevashSzat, which I have learned lately was a prostitute, was not killed by us. He was killed when CR was still alive and it is true that Caius and I sent in orders to kill Tevash. But CR didn't send in his order which gave us this message:
Your attempt on TevashSzat's life failed. A group member failed to turn up for the murder. In the confusion that followed, you failed to work out who the person was.
This means we didn't kill TevashSzat. Someone else did.
I have been in contact with Cronos and have learned that he has the same role as I have. We both have a lover amongst the clients and mine is Elite Ferret. That's why I could trust him enough to send him a pm with a suggestion to lynch khaan in that round. Apparently Cronos' lover is GH. Unfortunately I never trusted him enough to reveal my two partners and he didn't reveal his until yesterday.
You are lucky to be alive makaikhaan, I suggested that we kill you last night. Caius sent in his orders, and I meant to but somehow didn't. If you are what you claim, I guess we are all lucky. RL and Sunday activities with my family made me so tired that I took a nap after dinner. I didn't wake up until the kills were already posted and only logged in to answer a few pms.
Knowing what i know now should help reduce the list of guilty players.
This means the remaining mafiosi/serial killer (if there are any) are found with the following players:
Andres - entered late.
Craterus - entered late
makaikhaan
Ichigo - took phyros' role.
and the other 5 players have these roles:
Caius - prostitute
Elite Ferret - client
GH - client
Sigurd - prostitute
Cronos - prostitute
FactionHeir
07-21-2008, 11:36
I tell you its Andres :tongue2:
Did Khaan have a lot of lynch attention before he revealed? If not then I can't see why he would lie about this. Anyway I don't know why I voted sigurd so:
unvote:Sigurd
Craterus
07-21-2008, 15:56
Sigurd, how do you explain khaan's guilty result then?
And why did Elite Ferret vote you if he was your client and presumably knew you to be innocent?
This doesn't add up.
TevashSzat
07-21-2008, 20:17
I say too much confusing stuff is going on atm and just kill khaan this round and see what happens(can't really see how he can survive anyways)
Unvote:khaan
Vote:Ichigo
If AP suicided, that was because he has a role. He could be another killer or a puritan. Come and defend yourself, if you are one of them!
Unvote:khaan
Vote:Ichigo
If AP suicided, that was because he has a role. He could be another killer or a puritan. Come and defend yourself, if you are one of them!
:dizzy2:
TevashSzat
07-21-2008, 20:41
:dizzy2:
:laugh4:
This means the remaining mafiosi/serial killer (if there are any) are found with the following players:
Andres - entered late.
Craterus - entered late
makaikhaan
Ichigo - took phyros' role.
and the other 5 players have these roles:
Caius - prostitute
Elite Ferret - client
GH - client
Sigurd - prostitute
Cronos - prostitute
If Andres and Craterus are innocent, why didn't the mafia kill them? GH, Sigurd, Cronos, EF and Caius all got enough attention on themselves, so the mafia would like to keep them alive as lynch baits. So if the mafia is not Andres or Craterus, they will kill Andres and Craterus, as they are confirmed innocents due to them joining late. However, these two are still alive, so therefore, if you are following my (questionable) logic, one of them must be mafia :bow:
Don't lynch makaikhaan yet, I have a feeling he may not be the last killer.
anelious phyros
07-21-2008, 21:54
Unvote:khaan
Vote:Ichigo
If AP suicided, that was because he has a role. He could be another killer or a puritan. Come and defend yourself, if you are one of them!
Sorry to inform you but I suicided becuase i'm on vacation and I don't have much time. I would've stayed if I finally got a role!
Craterus
07-21-2008, 22:48
shlin, Andres and I have been kept alive for that exact reason. People have tried to turn our 'lateness' into a sign of guilt numerous times since the start of the game. We're still suspects, obviously.
Unvote:Ichigo
What about Cronos?
seireikhaan
07-22-2008, 04:31
Gar...
unvote: EliteFerret
Vote: Craterus
Somehow I feel like Craterus, now in retrospect, was too cautious in his treatment of me. Yes I know he came late, but its more than possible that there were originally 2 puritans, and Craterus was the third.
Tally(someone else might want to confirm this, this was a monster to try to compile:sweatdrop:)
makaikhaan- 2( Chronos, Ichigo)
Craterus- 1(Khaan)
Sigurd- 1(Craterus)
Not Voting- (Andres, Sigurd Fafnesbane, GeneralHankerchief, Caius, EliteFerret)
I must say, I never envisioned a scenario in which Andres, Sigurd, and GH all three be not voting in a round.:sweatdrop:
Folks! We got a lot of people not voting right now, over half.
Craterus
07-22-2008, 04:38
Too cautious? A detective's a detective. Apparently.
Seeing as Sigurd is probably innocent, I'll unvote: Sigurd, vote:makaikhaan.
I'm not entirely convinced by the reveal, it still doesn't add up and you're probably a mafia target by now anyway (assuming you're not the mafia we're looking for).
Strike 3 ~;)
seireikhaan
07-22-2008, 04:46
Strike 3 ~;)
I knew you'd say that. ~;)
Unvote:khaan, Vote: Craterus
Beefy187
07-22-2008, 11:43
Lynch caius :whip:
EDIT: nvm, wrong thread :shame:
seireikhaan
07-22-2008, 12:01
EDIT: nvm, wrong thread :shame:
By all means, Andres, you're welcome to, you know, vote. :juggle:
The relative silence from the remaining players are worrying.
The town, I believe has the upper hand.
There are probably only one killer left and if we get the lynch right we will win.
I was so set in my mind that the last one was makaikhaan, that I have problems changing this opinion.
But if it is not the khaan, then who is it?
If I am interpreting phyros' post correctly we can strike Ichigo from our suspect list.
This leaves only
khaan
Andres
Craterus
If this is true, I can't see how they can win. We will definitely lynch one of them and kill one next night and then lynch the last. There are enough of us to do this.
I don't have the intuition that the ladies I am playing have, but for now I choose to believe khaan.
vote:Craterus
You have called for my input in this game before Andres, I am now calling you. What do you have to say?
Tally:
Craterus : 3 (Ichigo, makaikhaan, Sigurd)
makaikhaan : 2 (Craterus, Cronos)
not voting : 4 (Andres, Caius, EF, GH)
GeneralHankerchief is on a holiday, I believe (he said so in the Throne Room).
I'm really confused about Caius' 'role claim' and after the exchange between makaikhaan and CR, I really don't know who to believe.
First suspect: gut says: Craterus might be mafia.
Reasons:
Adds up with what I said too.
Vote for Sigurd people.
Awfully fast to blindly follow a somehow dubious detective reveal (makaikhaan who claimed to be the 'real' detective, after GH revealed and announced a one week absense.)
It's interesting that you've revealed after GH has gone. I guess you were waiting for the morning but... who knows. I believe you for now.
In one post, Craterus casts doubts about makaikhaan, but still 'believes' him.
Sigurd, how do you explain khaan's guilty result then?
And why did Elite Ferret vote you if he was your client and presumably knew you to be innocent?
This doesn't add up.
Sticks to the vote for Sigurd.
Too cautious? A detective's a detective. Apparently.
Seeing as Sigurd is probably innocent, I'll unvote: Sigurd, vote:makaikhaan.
I'm not entirely convinced by the reveal, it still doesn't add up and you're probably a mafia target by now anyway (assuming you're not the mafia we're looking for).
Strike 3 ~;)
"a detective is a detective. apparently." --> I don't see a reason for the sudden chance of hart. Is it because mafia buddy makaikhaan's stunt seems to be failing?
And why is Sigurd "probably innocent"? If you believe 'khaan's reveal, then why not stay consequent and vote Sigurd, who turned up guilty after investigation according to 'khaan?
My second suspect is makaikhaan. CR, who is most probably innocent, counterclaimed makaikhaan's claim.
I've gone over 'khaan's posts and here's my analysis:
ATTENTION!!!
I am the real detective! I gave my previous results, as well as my role PM to General Hankerchief after I found him to be innocent on night one. I have once again investigated Sigurd Fafnesbane, and I have achieved a guilty result on him. And we can see that clearly, Sigurd did not want Cronos to be lynched, which tells us that Cronos must be guilty as well.
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Tally:
Sigurd Fafnesbane- 2(Khaan, Craterus)
This reveal is very, very suspicious.
1) GH revealed his results because he goes on vacation (he annoucend this in the Throne Room as well, so this is not just a lie.)
2) After GH has left (and no longer able to counterclaim), makaikhaan reveals himself as the "real" detective.
Something doesn't seem right to me. Why the reveal of partial results by GH? Why not just keeping a low profile? Why was makaikhaan so sure that he was about to get killed at night that he and GH felt the need for this charade?
But what bothers me the most is the perfect timing in case this would be a mafia stunt. He reveals right after GH left. How convenient.
:no: Now I know you're fibbing, Caius. That PM is so blatantly a rip off of the PM that GH posted earlier. I am not puritan. I don't know what you're up to. However, if Sigurd's group killed someone, than that would indeed explain my investigation result. I'm assuming that it was Rythmic you killed. However, it would seem that Rythmic had been innocent. As a result of the fact that Sigurd had helped murder an innocent client/prostitute, he showed up as guilty, because he did something 'anti prostitute' so to speak. Therefore, I will unvote: Sigurd and Vote: Caius. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by trying to steal my role claim.
EDIT: One more thing, there's way too many errors in that 'PM' you claimed to have been Omanes'. And we all know you don't have the best english.
Maybe Caius did that to show how easy it is to do what you did? But Caius should explain himself indeed. However, all of this does not explain you unvoting Sigurd who you, as a supposed detective, found out to be guilty, after an investigation? Strange :inquisitive:
Okay, a little reviewing of the thread...
Vote: Elite Ferret
He's been lurking ever since he got back, and for whatever reason, there was one less kill on night one.
Now, this is really getting weird? Why not insisting on lynching Sigurd, who you discovered to be guilty? Are you desperately seeking for new suspects? That's a really strange vote, dear makaikhaan :inquisitive:
'khaan's whole reveal stinks + CR, confirmed innocent, says 'khaan lies <-> Craterus sounds more scummy to me.
For now, I Vote : makaikhaan.
Might change to Craterus though.
seireikhaan
07-22-2008, 14:03
I've gone over 'khaan's posts and here's my analysis:
This reveal is very, very suspicious.
1) GH revealed his results because he goes on vacation (he annoucend this in the Throne Room as well, so this is not just a lie.)
2) After GH has left (and no longer able to counterclaim), makaikhaan reveals himself as the "real" detective.
Something doesn't seem right to me. Why the reveal of partial results by GH? Why not just keeping a low profile? Why was makaikhaan so sure that he was about to get killed at night that he and GH felt the need for this charade?
But what bothers me the most is the perfect timing in case this would be a mafia stunt. He reveals right after GH left. How convenient.
Maybe Caius did that to show how easy it is to do what you did? But Caius should explain himself indeed. However, all of this does not explain you unvoting Sigurd who you, as a supposed detective, found out to be guilty, after an investigation? Strange :inquisitive:
Now, this is really getting weird? Why not insisting on lynching Sigurd, who you discovered to be guilty? Are you desperately seeking for new suspects? That's a really strange vote, dear makaikhaan :inquisitive:
'khaan's whole reveal stinks + CR, confirmed innocent, says 'khaan lies <-> Craterus sounds more scummy to me.
For now, I Vote : makaikhaan.
Might change to Craterus though.
How did I not explain my vote change, Andres? If Sigurd, as he claimed, and his group attempted to kill a prostitute, it very well could have screwed with my investigation results, as they committed an action which to any observer, would seem to be anti-town. CR's innocence and backing of Sigurd would seem to indicate this is accurate. Another way to explain, perhaps: in my game, I slated it so that anyone who killed would appear as guilty; even though there was a pro-town vigilante role, as well as non-mafia independent roles. This seems to have worked in a similar manner. Insisting on lynching Sigurd is not only now pointless, but counterproductive to the town's efforts. You, of all people, Andres, should realize that when someone who is confirmed innocent can vouch for him.
As for the timing; there wasn't a whole lot to be helped by it. There was, they way things were going, just under a 1 in 5 chance I could die, and I wanted to be able to at least get some kind of confirmation one way or the other on Sigurd before I died. Hence why I informed GH to reveal, to hopefully give me at least the extra night.
Ah, I provoked an answer.
So, we can all see that you are online now. It won't take you much longer then 5 minutes to post your exact role pm and to quote your 4 investigation results, so please do so, as proof of your innocence...
seireikhaan
07-22-2008, 14:12
Ah, I provoked an answer.
So, we can all see that you are online now. It won't take you much longer then 5 minutes to post your exact role pm and to quote your 4 investigation results, so please do so, as proof of your innocence...
:inquisitive:
An answer?! Have you SEEN the last page or two? Its not like I'm hiding.
My exact Role pm? You can see it clearly in GH's previous post, I gave the whole thing to him. Anyone here could post it and claim it if they had wanted. That is a totally irrelevant question to pose, which you of all people should realize by now. Want results? Here they are:
Tonight, I'll investigate GH.GeneralHankerchief was found to be innocent.
~:)
Tonight, I'll investigate TevashSzat.TevashSzat was found to be innocent.
You found Sigurd Fafnesbane to be unclear.
You found Sigurd Fafnesbane to be guilty!
Not like that does a whole lot...
And now I suppose this will make me incredibly scummy because I caved to your demands and got the 5 minutes exactly...
While you are busy posting your genuine, non faked, quotes, I'll continue...
a)
You are a client of the Brothel who has in the past worked as a spy. Essentially you are a detective.
During the day you may, as is the case with all other players, vote for whom you think has intentions opposed to the clients and prostitutes.
During the night, however, you have an additional ability. You may investigate one person with the aim of finding out their intentions. You will gain one of three results for each person:
Guilty - evidently anti-prostitution
Unclear - the results are unclear. A second investigation may be more conclusive.
Innocent - evidently pro-client/prostitutes
Results have a 25% chance of ending up in the unclear section for most roles, although for others the chance of this happening is much higher.
If you have any problems feel free to drop me a PM
Now, 'khaan, tell me, you say Sigurd turned out to be guilty after the second investigation. The detective role pm doesn't leave room for interpretation now, does it?
Your explanation is not satisfying.
b) Why the whole GH reveal-show? Why not lynching Sigurd for good measure and in the meanwhile investigate another target to get more information? That would have been a better pro-town tactic, don't you agree? Sigurd would have revealed if he were powerful pro-town...
c) I assume your quotes will be up when this is getting posted...
seireikhaan
07-22-2008, 14:18
While you are busy posting your genuine, non faked, quotes, I'll continue...
a)
Now, 'khaan, tell me, you say Sigurd turned out to be guilty after the second investigation. The detective role pm doesn't leave room for interpretation now, does it?
Your explanation is not satisfying.
b) Why the whole GH reveal-show? Why not lynching Sigurd for good measure and in the meanwhile investigate another target to get more information? That would have been a better pro-town tactic, don't you agree? Sigurd would have revealed if he were powerful pro-town...
c) I assume your quotes will be up when this is getting posted...
A) Yes, Andres, evidently. Tell me, if you witnessed someone attempt to murder one of your neigbors, would you think it quite evident that that person was indeed not pro-neighbor? Hmm?
B) I'm NOT explaining this again. I've explained it at least 3 times by now, and if you aren't getting it or refuse to accept the logic we were using, then tough.
C) Indeedly they are.
And now I suppose this will make me incredibly scummy because I caved to your demands and got the 5 minutes exactly...
Well, if you wouldn't have been in a hurry, you would have taken the time to also post your role pm... ~;p
'khaan, you have to admit that your 'reveal' stinks.
And you have proven yourself to be a splendid mafia player in the past, so... :bow:
I am going to stick to my vote for the reasons stated before and I am sooo much hoping that I am not voting the detective now...
B) I'm NOT explaining this again. I've explained it at least 3 times by now, and if you aren't getting it or refuse to accept the logic we were using, then tough.
Please, I'm old and senile, explain it again :shame:
But I will refuse to accept your logic. Lynching Sigurd and investigating someone else the next night, would have been better imo.
seireikhaan
07-22-2008, 14:23
Well, if you wouldn't have been in a hurry, you would have taken the time to also post your role pm... ~;p
'khaan, you have to admit that your 'reveal' stinks.
And you have proven yourself to be a splendid mafia player in the past, so... :bow:
I am going to stick to my vote for the reasons stated before and I am sooo much hoping that I am not voting the detective now...
Maybe my reveal does suck, and maybe I'm not actually any good at being pro-town. But I'm sure as hell not going to be accused of not trying in this one.
*** shakes fist at the mafia gods ***
Damn you 'khaan. If you turn out to be mafia in this game, I will never, ever believe you again!
Unvote : makaikhaan; Vote : Sigurd
Craterus
07-22-2008, 14:29
First suspect: gut says: Craterus might be mafia.
Reasons:
Awfully fast to blindly follow a somehow dubious detective reveal (makaikhaan who claimed to be the 'real' detective, after GH revealed and announced a one week absense.)
In one post, Craterus casts doubts about makaikhaan, but still 'believes' him.
Sticks to the vote for Sigurd.
"a detective is a detective. apparently." --> I don't see a reason for the sudden chance of hart. Is it because mafia buddy makaikhaan's stunt seems to be failing?
And why is Sigurd "probably innocent"? If you believe 'khaan's reveal, then why not stay consequent and vote Sigurd, who turned up guilty after investigation according to 'khaan?
Wow, where to start?
I didn't blindly follow anything. I said that his detective results, however true or fake they may be, corraborate with my own reasons for suspecting Sigurd. At that point, he was the best lynch. The case has now changed but that can hardly be used against me.
At that point, I don't think anyone else had claimed to be detective. Why not believe makaikhaan? We've still got another lynch if the kills don't stop tonight. I kept the vote for Sigurd because I forgot to change it. Or maybe he was still the best lynch. It depends on my post's relation to the following event:
CR, Caius, Elite Ferret and Cronos have all been linked to Sigurd without any shouts of protest. He's clearly innocent. Why carry on the vote when he has 4 (surely more than can be mafia) backing him up.
Of course, now the vote for khaan is as much about self-preservation. Yes, I know, mafia action! But at this stage, I'm thinking you guys might need the extra vote in your favour.
Well, we can discuss 'khaan's reveal ad eternitatem, but at a certain point, one has to take a decision. I decided to give 'khaan the benefit of the doubt and thus I believe he is the detective. The detective has a guilty on Sigurd. Thus far, that's the best reason I've seen so far to vote someone :shrug:
My vote stays where it is.
Craterus
07-22-2008, 14:50
Well, we can discuss 'khaan's reveal ad eternitatem, but at a certain point, one has to take a decision. I decided to give 'khaan the benefit of the doubt and thus I believe he is the detective. The detective has a guilty on Sigurd. Thus far, that's the best reason I've seen so far to vote someone :shrug:
My vote stays where it is.
A decision that leaves me conveniently for the lynch :brood:
However, interesting to note that only Caius has spoken up for Sigurd so far, the rest of his allies having yet to make an appearance. And Caius tried to fake a role PM to get khaan lynched. Interesting...
Although this does nothing to improve my own situation, there could be a partnership there between Sigurd and Caius, will have to await CR or Cronos and see what they say.
unvote: khaan, vote: Sigurd
No, no, no ... You shouldn't vote me. Don't lose focus now.
I am a prostitute and my partners are/were Caius and Crazed Rabbit.
I have compared notes with Cronos Impera and he has the exact same role as I have.
His partners were shlin28 and TevashSzat.
They will all confirm this. Caius and CR will vouch for me and shlin and Tevash will vouch for Cronos.
I can vouch for Cronos and he can for me.
I have been notified by Omanes that Elite Ferret is a client and Cronos have been notified that GH is a client.
This is the information I have. That leaves only you Andres, Craterus, makaikhaan and Ichigo as unknown.
Ichigo is probably a client too if we interpret phyros' statements correctly.
I can't with the confidence that CR has say that khaan is lying. In this game, the town has great power, and a detective role on top of it smacks of unfairness. That is unless his results can be ambiguous. And that is probably the case here. Yes I did send in orders to kill another innocent player and it was only CR's inactivity/time zone trouble that foiled it.
So you see, the killer of shlin must be one of the following:
Andres, Craterus or makaikhaan.
Right now I bet on the Craterus horse.
*vouches for Cronos Impera*
Methinks its either Craterus or Andres.
I am a prostitute and my partners are/were Caius and Crazed Rabbit.
I have compared notes with Cronos Impera and he has the exact same role as I have.
His partners were shlin28 and TevashSzat.
They will all confirm this.
Oh boy, you are giving me a hard time :sweatdrop:
Ok then.
Unvote : Sigurd
Vote : Craterus
Methinks its either Craterus or Andres.
Do you believe 'khaan's reveal?
FactionHeir
07-22-2008, 16:42
I am telling you its Andres.
Do you believe 'khaan's reveal?
Hmm... if I say yes to that, that would mean Sigurd is guilty and untrustworthy, so I should say "Kill Sigurd!". If I say no, then that would mean that I believe that khaan is guilty, and therefore I should say "Kill 'khaan!"
Stupid lawyer trick... :embarassed:
Quintus.JC
07-22-2008, 16:53
I am telling you its Andres.
That's the second time he's said that. And I am telling you it's either Craterus or Andres.
FactionHeir
07-22-2008, 16:57
So much for "Hey we were added late and are therefore innocent" :wink:
Hmm... if I say yes to that, that would mean Sigurd is guilty and untrustworthy, so I should say "Kill Sigurd!". If I say no, then that would mean that I believe that khaan is guilty, and therefore I should say "Kill 'khaan!"
Stupid lawyer trick... :embarassed:
It's not a stupid lawyer trick. I'm merely asking you to give your opinion about 'khaan's reveal. How is that a stupid lawyer trick :inquisitive:
What's your opinion on Craterus?
Do you believe 'khaan's reveal?
It's not a stupid lawyer trick. I'm merely asking you to give your opinion about 'khaan's reveal. How is that a stupid lawyer trick :inquisitive:
What's your opinion on Craterus?
Of course its a lawyer trick! I had made it quite clear that I suspect you and Craterus, but by asking that one question, you would force me to either accuse makaikhaan or Sigurd.
For the moment, I believe khaan, and also believe in Sigurd. (For all you know he being a detective that gets crazy results, all something similar to that).
Craterus and you are on the same level of suspicousness, neither of you appears more unlynchable to me. So as long as one of you die, I'm happy :laugh4:
TevashSzat
07-22-2008, 18:17
I can vouch for Cronos here and what Sigurd has posted about me, shlin, and him
Omanes Alexandrapolites
07-22-2008, 20:36
Day V Conclusion
After the longest debate that had been experienced during this time of crisis had concluded, it turned out that the lynch voting had gone through several stages of transition - firstly targeting Sigurd, then makaikhaan and finally resting with a majority of the votes, focusing on Craterus.
Craterus, with him being presumed to be the cause of the previous nights death, was to die by having his vital organs removed from his body. Craterus did nothing but scream as his liver and his kidneys were ripped out by the executioner, and didn't stop until his heart was plucked out from within his chest.
****
Craterus has been lynched!
Tally:
Craterus - 5 (Ichigo, makaikhaan, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Andres, Caius)
Sigurd Fafnesbane – 1 (Craterus)
makaikhaan - 1 (Cronos Impera)
Night V begins! This night phase will end at approximately 20:00 (GMT+1) on the 23rd of July. This is approximately 24-hrs in total.
Alive (8):
Andres
Caius
Cronos Impera
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo (joined D2 - replaced anelious phyros)
makaikhaan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Lynched (5):
pevergreen (D1) (formerly peverpink)
FactionHeir (D2)
Quintus.J.Cicero (D3)
Beefy187 (D4)
Craterus (D5)
Killed (6):
El Diablo (N1)
Tratorix (N2)
Rythmic (N2)
TevashSzat (N3)
Crazed Rabbit (N3)
shlin28(N4)
WoGed (0):
Suicided (1):
anelious phyros (D2) (replaced with Ichigo)
Hmmm.... does that suggest that Craterus is the killer? Probably not, but its a very small hope all the same... :book:
TevashSzat
07-22-2008, 22:11
So...if everyone saying they're a prostitute/detective.client is correct, then all you guys have to do is either lynch Andres or Ichigo and the game should be won for the townies...
Seems like Crate was the serial killer, if the write-up can be trusted.
Beefy187
07-23-2008, 09:57
I think it simply means Craterus was killed in the same way that the victims died.
Real killer is still out there and I am pretty sure I know who it is
Omanes Alexandrapolites
07-23-2008, 19:11
Night V Conclusion
makaikhaan was in his room, when a hooded figure slowly walked in. As khaan reached for a weapon to defend himself, the figure coolly informed to not be afraid and that he (or was it she) was there to pay for his services as an investigative agent, if he truly was one, once they were out of this mess.
The first thing the figure did, was offer makaikhaan a drink, taking a hip flask from out of the cloak and pouring it into a cup by the side of makaikhaan's bed. As they discussed, makaikhaan slowly felt pains building up in his chest. The figure offered him another drink, and after this one, the chest pains built up even further and a cough developed. When the figure offered him a third drink, makaikhaan finally realised what was happening. With a cough which contained a fine mist of blood, followed by a red substance drippling from his mouth, makaikhaan breathed his last.
****
makaikhaan has been killed!
Day VI begins! This day shall conclude at approximately 19:00 (GMT+1) on Friday the 25nd of July. This is a total of around about 48 hours.
I've got a small issue however - I am going to Scotland for a week at the end of this week. I may, although cannot guarentee, that I will have internet acess. I have signed up for a Wi-Fi community thing, they open up your wireless in exchange for using other's who have signed up's wireless, but last time I was up in that area I couldn't locate a network which met the description specified. I may have more sucess in St. Andrews itself, but I won't be able to count on it.
Henceforth, as a solution, I aim to start the night phase just before I leave and, if I do not respond with a post within this thread within 48-hrs, Andres/Seamus can close the thread which then, if possible, could be re-opened when I get back. When I do return, and with the approval of the Gameroom moderation team, I'll send a PM to all living players to inform them of the game's re-opening.
My most humble apologies for all inconvenience - I wasn't expecting the whole game to last over one month ~:(
Alive (7):
Andres
Caius
Cronos Impera
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo (joined D2 - replaced anelious phyros)
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Lynched (5):
pevergreen (D1) (formerly peverpink)
FactionHeir (D2)
Quintus.J.Cicero (D3)
Beefy187 (D4)
Craterus (D5)
Killed (7):
El Diablo (N1)
Tratorix (N2)
Rythmic (N2)
TevashSzat (N3)
Crazed Rabbit (N3)
shlin28 (N4)
makaikhaan (N5)
WoGed (0):
Suicided (1):
anelious phyros (D2) (replaced with Ichigo)
Andres
Caius
Cronos Impera
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo (joined D2 - replaced anelious phyros)
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Who could be? I'm running out of ideas.
seireikhaan
07-23-2008, 19:36
Andres.
While you are busy posting your genuine, non faked, quotes
Those look like genuine.
Andres.
How do you come with that conclusion?
seireikhaan
07-23-2008, 19:48
You, Sigurd Fafnesbane, EliteFerret, GeneralHankerchief, and Cronos Impera are all vouched for. It is now either Andres or Ichigo. However, Ichigo only came on to replace Anelious Phyros, who said this:
Oh wait. Now your trying to kill me in her and the girrafe game?
But no you won't. Because I'm not going to be here. Sorry omanes, i've found out i'm going to be gone for 2 weeks on vacation so just suicide me or have give a crack at lyncing me. Sorry.
I find it incredibly unlikely that, at that early point in the game, a mafioso would offer himself up to be lynched or to commit suicide. Therefore, it almost certainly must be Andres.
Quintus.JC
07-23-2008, 19:59
Get rid of Andres and Ichiago, then we'll see how it goes.
TevashSzat
07-23-2008, 20:28
I say, kill Andres quickly and if us townies haven't won then, we would be in big trouble....
Cronos Impera
07-23-2008, 21:24
Vote: Andreas
Sorry, you are one of my last options.
FactionHeir
07-23-2008, 22:03
The alternative is if one of the vouch groups is actually puritan who have limited their kills to mislead the town to doom.
What can I say? It's not me :shrug:
Those who vouch for Sigurd should make it very clear why they do so and should check the pm exchanges they had with him. Did Sigurd quote his role pm to you guys? Did he give you any sort of evidence at all?
Vote : Sigurd
No actually, I always have had susupicions about him and Cronos, but I've been following the rest of the assumed town...and he said I was a client, and I know I am, so that is some proof in his favour in my book.
No actually, I always have had susupicions about him and Cronos, but I've been following the rest of the assumed town...and he said I was a client, and I know I am, so that is some proof in his favour in my book.
Is there anybody else who knew you were a client or who you told to that you were a client?
Crazed Rabbit
07-24-2008, 03:16
What can I say? It's not me :shrug:
Those who vouch for Sigurd should make it very clear why they do so and should check the pm exchanges they had with him. Did Sigurd quote his role pm to you guys? Did he give you any sort of evidence at all?
Vote : Sigurd
As he said, Caius, Sigurd, and I were prostitutes in the same group. He's known to be innocent.
Unless he's some infiltrator sort, but I remember the first post saying there wouldn't be those in this game.
CR
Has Sigurd ever posted a role pm? or any of the other prostitutes?
seireikhaan
07-24-2008, 05:41
Has Sigurd ever posted a role pm? or any of the other prostitutes?
:inquisitive: Omanes posted the prostitute's role PM's before the game started. Them posting a role PM would be as pointless as me posting my role PM after GH had posted it.
:inquisitive: Omanes posted the prostitute's role PM's before the game started. Them posting a role PM would be as pointless as me posting my role PM after GH had posted it.
My bad, I didn't realize that
It has been happened before that the townie network was infiltrated by the mafia, so please guys, before sitting in your armchair and generally being lazy, check your pm's and your "evidence".
CR, the prostitute pm was publicly available, so how do you know for sure that Sigurd is not mafia?
Did you perform an action together and did the three of you get the exact same pm from Omanes after your night actions?
Sigurd and Caius, if you received a pm about your night actions from Omanes, can you both post that?
Is there somebody else besides CR, Sigurd and Caius who can vouch for one of them and if so, where did you get your information from?
Don't forget guys, the detective had a guilty on Sigurd and Sigurd has proven himself in the past to be an expert in these behind the scenes networks.
Everybody who did something at night and as a result of that can vouch for somebody else, should post their "evidence" (pm's).
If you go out lynching me and Ichigo while you are being manipulated by a mafioso who infiltrated your network, than you'll lose the game.
As I said I know that Sigurd is not mafia because he somehow knows I am innocent, and if he knew that and he was mafia he would probably have killed me by now. You though have no evidence in your favour, so my vote stands.
As I said I know that Sigurd is not mafia because he somehow knows I am innocent, and if he knew that and he was mafia he would probably have killed me by now. You though have no evidence in your favour, so my vote stands.
Obviously, the mafiosi know who is innocent :rolleyes:
So, somebody contacting you telling you he knows for sure that you're innocent, is either a mafioso or the detective.
a) 'khaan was the detective. b) the detective had a guilty on Sigurd.
Thus far, no real evidence about Sigurd's innocence has been posted. On the contrary, a detective, who is confirmed innocent because he got killed last night, got a guilty result on Sigurd.
So you guys are going to lynch me because you don't know anything about me and you're letting Sigurd, who was guilty upon investigation, live?
EDIT: And the fact that you're still alive doesn't mean anything. Of course, a mafioso won't kill a townie who believes in his innocence. Your vote is a vote that he can manipulate, because you trust him.
But was Khaan the detective, he never proved that. Mafia games confuse me :laugh4:
But was Khaan the detective, he never proved that. Mafia games confuse me :laugh4:
'khaan claimed to be the detective and got killed last night, which should prove him innocent.
If a townie would know for sure that 'khaan was not the detective, he would not have killed him, but would have posted his the evidence that proves 'khaan to be a liar instead.
The fact that 'khaan got killed last night instead of counterclaimed makes it as good as certain that he was indeed the detective.
And he had a guilty on Sigurd...
So before excluding Sigurd from the list of possible lynch targets, we should be 100 % that he is not mafia. Those who vouch for him, have to post serious evidence.
"He knew for sure that I am innocent" is not enough.
Hmmm you do have a very convincing argument. What role are you claiming to have then?
unvote:Andres
I'm just a simple townie (client).
I suspected Ichigo to be the last mafia man, but AP jumped with the post that said something like : If I were a mafioso, I wouldn't have suicided.
vote:sigurd
and yeah I know I'm changing my mind a lot...
Let's end this.
Vote: Andres.
I suspected Ichigo to be the last mafia man, but AP jumped with the post that said something like : If I were a mafioso, I wouldn't have suicided.
Now wait a minute there, Caius. Why exactly are you vouching for Sigurd? And I didn't see any night actions posted in this thread. And is there anybody, besides Caius and CR, who can vouch for Sigurd and if so for what reasons?
"He knew for sure that I was innocent and I'm still alive" is not a valid reason.
Andres is reacting too late. He has been lurking in the game, then he comes very defensive... Suspicious. BTW, for the anxious crowd:
Your attempt on TevashSzat's life failed. A group member failed to turn up for the murder. In the confusion that followed, you failed to work out who the person was.
Andres is reacting too late. He has been lurking in the game, then he comes very defensive... Suspicious. BTW, for the anxious crowd:
I have the most posts in this thread, but go ahead and accuse me of lurking :wall:
Now, who was in your group and who didn't turn up for the murder attempt?
Can they post their orders and night action results?
All I'm asking is for everyone who is vouching for somebody else to post their evidence.
I really don't understand why Sigurd doesn't get any attention from you guys, as he turned out guilty upon an investigation from a detective who is now confirmed innocent.
Also note that Sigurd has said nothing to defend himself and has given us no proof whatsoever, he has manipulated the town to lynch innocents so he can finish us tonight. The detective found him guilty and the detective was killed, which shows he wasn't faking it and wasn't mafia.
LYNCH SIGURD!
Now, who was in your group and who didn't turn up for the murder attempt?
CR failed to do that. Sigurd and me had a PM exchange, and that exchange was also sent to CR. It was our only action who we "managed" to do. The following night, we tried to kill khaan. We thought he was lying. We thought he was using GH's reveal to make himself in the lead. I sent the orders, yes, I did. Sigurd didn't.
I can't explain the guilty result, it could be that Omanes sent the results with some "error margin". I can't explain.
Now, EF, how do you come with a such conclussion?
Crazed Rabbit
07-25-2008, 03:41
CR, the prostitute pm was publicly available, so how do you know for sure that Sigurd is not mafia?
A PM from Omanes. I don't know if the rules allow me to post it, but that's why. And I doubt he's lying to me.
Andres sounds good for a lynch.
He believes khaan wholeheartedly because he was killed - but doesn't believe though I was killed.
Edit- Caius is right in that I failed to send in the order to kill Tevash.
CR
A PM from Omanes. I don't know if the rules allow me to post it, but that's why. And I doubt he's lying to me.
Andres sounds good for a lynch.
He believes khaan wholeheartedly because he was killed - but doesn't believe though I was killed.
So CR, if you believe 'khaan was not killed by the mafia, then who was responsable for his demise late game?
Are there still so much power pro-town roles left?
Sorry, but the chance of pro-towns able to kill/a serial killer still in the game at the time of your dead is higher than the chance of pro-town killers/a serial killer still in the game at the time of 'khaan's dead.
And why are we not lynching Sigurd, who was found guilty upon investigation? 'khaan's dead at night, during the end-game, means that he was killed by the mafia.
If it wasn't the mafia, then who was it? I've seen nobody claiming to have killed 'khaan last night?
The following night, we tried to kill khaan. We thought he was lying. We thought he was using GH's reveal to make himself in the lead. I sent the orders, yes, I did. Sigurd didn't.
Was it just you and Sigurd or was there also another person involved?
Now, EF, how do you come with a such conclussion?
Because he has never proved that he is not guilty, merely stated it and for some reason everyone has accepted that. He has remained very very quiet during Andres' accusations and hasn't denied anything. Finally he was found guilty by the detective, and he can't have been mafia because he was killed by them, which shows Sigurd is trying to hide his guilty result.
This is all silly Andres and Elite,
I have been exonerated by a number of players. I have yet to see anyone calling me a liar.
The mere fact that the detective needed two investigations to get a guilty result on me should testify that I have never been a puritan.
That makaikhaan was killed last night speaks of a last desperate twitch in the puritan organization to remain undiscovered. I believe khaan meant to investigate Andres next and would have received a guilty result on the first try.
Yes, that is why he was killed and not one of us prostitutes. Andres need me alive to have someone to blame. If I lied and somehow infiltrated the prostitutes, I would not have been one from the onset of this game. I would have weaseled my way in by craft. But both CR and Caius can testify that my name came with their original pm.
If I lie about this, then CR and Caius naturally also lies about this, and are therefore puritans.
What we need for your theory to have substance are three other players coming forth calling me, CR and Caius liars. They don't have to reveal that they were the original prostitutes as that goes against the rules, but they can call me a liar.
This will of course not happen as I am an original prostitute alongside CR, Caius, Cronos, shlin28 and TevashSzat.
The killer of makaikhaan and who knows how many of the killed players can be no other that Andres.
Who else could it be?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
07-25-2008, 13:54
Day VI Conclusion
Note: I did intend to end this day later, but a last minuite change in scheduling has caused a modification of the original plan.
As the sun set and the day concluded once again, Andres found himself narrowly being lynched by one single vote against him.
After so many killing methods had been used, the residents of the brothel were uncertain of how to deal with him. In the end, they chose to turn him into a human pincushion by firing arrows repeatedly at him. The aim of the people of the brothel wasn't very good, the first arrow embedding itself in the wall behind Andres, the second flying above Andres' head. It took five more arrows to finally hit him and then two more to cause enough damage for him to pass out through blood loss. Eventually, Andres' heart beated its last.
****
Andres has been lynched!
Tally:
Andres – 3 (Caius, Cronos Impera, Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Sigurd Fafnesbane – 2 (Andres, Elite Ferret)
Night VI begins! Due to complications of a small vacation I'm going on (of about seven days), see the last kill write up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1974135&postcount=347) for details, I probably will not have computer acess during this time. If I do get internet acess, I'll try and carry on the game as normal, but, if not, I will be unable to do this.
If I do have internet access, the night phase will conclude within 48-hrs of now (about 14:00 GMT+1 on Sunday the 27th of July) and will last a minimum of 24-hrs.
If I do not make a post within this thread within 48-hrs, then it would be appreciated if a moderator (Andres or Seamus) could close the thread and allow the game to continue when I return. If it's ok, it would also be appreciated if any other games could be permitted to start while I'm gone - I don't want to cause any delays in the system.
As I've said already, I apologise for all inconvenience caused by this - I was not expecting all phases of the game to last over one month ~:(
Alive (6):
Caius
Cronos Impera
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo (joined D2 - replaced anelious phyros)
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Lynched (5):
pevergreen (D1) (formerly peverpink)
FactionHeir (D2)
Quintus.J.Cicero (D3)
Beefy187 (D4)
Craterus (D5)
Andres (D6)
Killed (7):
El Diablo (N1)
Tratorix (N2)
Rythmic (N2)
TevashSzat (N3)
Crazed Rabbit (N3)
shlin28 (N4)
makaikhaan (N5)
WoGed (0):
Suicided (1):
anelious phyros (D2) (replaced with Ichigo)
The two investigations mean nothing, anyone can get an unclear, Omanes even said that some roles could make this result more likely, such as mafia. You have a guilty result and you cannot explain that.
edit:ooops, missed the write up...
Andres is dead, what now? The game hasn't ended so Andres wasn't mafia, kill Sigurd before he wins!
This is all silly Andres and Elite,
I have been exonerated by a number of players. I have yet to see anyone calling me a liar.
The mere fact that the detective needed two investigations to get a guilty result on me should testify that I have never been a puritan.
That makaikhaan was killed last night speaks of a last desperate twitch in the puritan organization to remain undiscovered. I believe khaan meant to investigate Andres next and would have received a guilty result on the first try.
Yes, that is why he was killed and not one of us prostitutes. Andres need me alive to have someone to blame. If I lied and somehow infiltrated the prostitutes, I would not have been one from the onset of this game. I would have weaseled my way in by craft. But both CR and Caius can testify that my name came with their original pm.
If I lie about this, then CR and Caius naturally also lies about this, and are therefore puritans.
What we need for your theory to have substance are three other players coming forth calling me, CR and Caius liars. They don't have to reveal that they were the original prostitutes as that goes against the rules, but they can call me a liar.
This will of course not happen as I am an original prostitute alongside CR, Caius, Cronos, shlin28 and TevashSzat.
The killer of makaikhaan and who knows how many of the killed players can be no other that Andres.
Who else could it be?
Allow me to quote a notorious backroomer:
bollox :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
You are turning the world upside down by stating that we need three people to call you, CR and Caius liars after a confirmed innocent detective had a guilty result on you.
It's you Sigurd and if Caius is your surviving partner, then the town has lost (only 6 people alive).
You are turning the world upside down
Quoting a famous puritan are we ? ( couldn't resist :wiseguy: )
You are turning the world upside down by stating that we need three people to call you, CR and Caius liars after a confirmed innocent detective had a guilty result on you.
Why is that? There should be two groups of prostitutes and I have claimed to be in one of them from the onset. Unless someone disagrees, that being the real group of prostitutes, there is no reason to doubt this. We or more accurate, Caius, revealed our group a while back, yet none has made a counterclaim.
I would assert that I got a guilty read because of the involvement in the killing business as prostitutes, nothing more. Additionally I would assert that a real puritan would get a guilty read on the first investigation.
It's you Sigurd and if Caius is your surviving partner, then the town has lost (only 6 people alive).Someone killed makaikhaan so that he wasn't able to conduct another investigation. I was already found guilty so why would I kill him? And if it were so that he needs two investigations to confirm a puritan, why not kill GH or EF instead? ... better yet why not kill Cronos or Caius or even me? We are capable of killing two each round. My guess is he planned to investigating you Andres and you knew it, that is why you killed him.
The game should however have ended with Andres' lynch...
Crazed Rabbit
07-25-2008, 19:48
Games often go to the next morning - you know, tension to see if there are more kills.
CR
Beefy187
07-26-2008, 09:58
If this game goes on it means my guesses were right :beam:
Quintus.JC
07-26-2008, 10:04
If this game goes on it means my guesses were right :beam:
What were your guesses?
GeneralHankerchief
07-26-2008, 18:35
I'm back.
I haven't read past Page 9 yet, but khaan was the real Detective. If I'm still alive, I'll post back once I've been caught up with the thread.
GeneralHankerchief
07-26-2008, 18:44
Okay, sweet. After a ridiculous amount of skimming, I'm back into this thing. I think, due to Omanes's situation, he wouldn't have left us in suspense like this if the game wasn't going to continue. Which means we should still be on the alert.
So you do think that Khaan's guilty result on Sigurd is true?
GeneralHankerchief
07-26-2008, 21:26
I have no reason to believe otherwise.
There we go, more proof that we need to lynch Sigurd.
Crazed Rabbit
07-26-2008, 23:15
That would be interesting, though frankly frustrating to be told by the host that the guy is innocent.
Unless, of course, you and khaan are mafia. Is there anyone vouching for GH?
Or is Ichigo the last known suspect?
CR
If GH and Khaan are fakes then surely the real detective would have come forward by now? Sigurd and Cronos are my suspects.
GeneralHankerchief
07-26-2008, 23:53
That would be interesting, though frankly frustrating to be told by the host that the guy is innocent.
Unless, of course, you and khaan are mafia. Is there anyone vouching for GH?
Or is Ichigo the last known suspect?
CR
Interesting theory, CR. The only person who can vouch for me is khaan, but of course, this means nothing according to your theory. I can't really disprove it, but please note that khaan was, in fact, killed in the night.
TBH, I haven't read the thread thoroughly enough to think of other suspects. All I know for certain is that khaan investigated Sigurd twice and Sigurd got a guilty result the second time. Sigurd is still alive. Therefore, he gets my vote in this upcoming phase.
Tell us how can Sigurd be a puritan? There are no infiltrators like in The Brotherhood, and he is a prostitute with me and CR. Revealing the PM won't do a lot, unless Sigurd has a double role. Which sounds impossible.
If I have the truth, ok. If I don't, then its EF. I'm not sure how Sigurd can be guilty.
Ef, now, you are very near the finish line. The game is almost over. Now, Elite Ferret, which is your role?
Sigurd got a guilty result from a detective who was killed by the mafia, in the detective role PM it said he couldn't get a wrong result, only an unclear.
Did Sigurd ever actually protect anyone? Do you have a list of his night actions? Can you confirm all of them to be true?
seireikhaan
07-28-2008, 23:17
So, Sigurd, any theories about how the game has failed to end?
Crazed Rabbit
07-30-2008, 04:05
The game has also failed to continue...
Interesting theory, CR. The only person who can vouch for me is khaan, but of course, this means nothing according to your theory. I can't really disprove it, but please note that khaan was, in fact, killed in the night.
Yes, and there may be a serial killer...
Anyways, given that there are no infiltrators, I have to conclude Sigurd is innocent. Simple as that really.
CR
GeneralHankerchief
07-31-2008, 04:56
Can we get a ruling on this one way or the other?
Night VI begins! Due to complications of a small vacation I'm going on (of about seven days), see the last kill write up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1974135&postcount=347) for details, I probably will not have computer acess during this time. If I do get internet acess, I'll try and carry on the game as normal, but, if not, I will be unable to do this.
If I do have internet access, the night phase will conclude within 48-hrs of now (about 14:00 GMT+1 on Sunday the 27th of July) and will last a minimum of 24-hrs.
If I do not make a post within this thread within 48-hrs, then it would be appreciated if a moderator (Andres or Seamus) could close the thread and allow the game to continue when I return. If it's ok, it would also be appreciated if any other games could be permitted to start while I'm gone - I don't want to cause any delays in the system.
Thread closed until host returns.
I already informed Sigurd through pm that he can start (recruiting for) Midgard Saga II.
:bow:
Thread re-opened as requested by host :bow:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
08-02-2008, 18:54
Thanks Andres!
Night VI Conclusion
After a night of anticipating yet another kill, nothing actually happened. Nobody was killed. Regardless of this, the brothel's residents still believed in evil residing among them based upon the evidence presented, so the lynching continued.
****
Nobody was killed!
Day VII begins. This day phase will conclude at approximately 19:00 (GMT+1) on Monday the 4th of August.
Alive (6):
Caius
Cronos Impera
Elite Ferret
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo (joined D2 - replaced anelious phyros)
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Lynched (5):
pevergreen (D1) (formerly peverpink)
FactionHeir (D2)
Quintus.J.Cicero (D3)
Beefy187 (D4)
Craterus (D5)
Andres (D6)
Killed (7):
El Diablo (N1)
Tratorix (N2)
Rythmic (N2)
TevashSzat (N3)
Crazed Rabbit (N3)
shlin28 (N4)
makaikhaan (N5)
WoGed (0):
Suicided (1):
anelious phyros (D2) (replaced with Ichigo)
vote:Cronos
even if we have won already we can still stop someone suspicious from also winning :wink:
GeneralHankerchief
08-02-2008, 19:39
Vote: Sigurd
khaan says he's guilty, and I trust khaan. Kill him.
Crazed Rabbit
08-02-2008, 19:43
Of course, not trusting you or khaan and trusting Sigurd brought us to having no night kills this last night.
CR
nor have I seen Sigurd or Cronos post anywhere since night began...
GeneralHankerchief
08-02-2008, 20:20
Of course, not trusting you or khaan and trusting Sigurd brought us to having no night kills this last night.
CR
So explain to me then why we should just let someone who has had a PROVEN Detective "guilty" result slide by.
seireikhaan
08-02-2008, 20:46
Hmm...
Interesting. I'd say, if I was alive, I'd vote Sigurd. I'm beginning to think he might have some kind of secret role which, although may not technically have been an infiltrator, may have similar properties.
Cronos hasn't been online since the 25th, which is a day before the end of day phase iirc. We should have two day phases left, so we should probably lynch Cronos and Sigurd.
Craterus
08-02-2008, 21:46
I think Sigurd should be lynched.
I'm thinking CR and Sigurd are the mafia here. CR was killed by the serial killer but he's been using this as if he is proven innocent.
Crazed Rabbit
08-02-2008, 22:16
That makes no sense; Caius has been vouching for the truth of what I say as well.
Also, I was protected in the night by two people - that only happens with prostitutes.
CR
GeneralHankerchief
08-02-2008, 22:20
Again, how does this exonerate Sigurd?
Crazed Rabbit
08-02-2008, 23:00
Well if I'm innocent then I wouldn't vouch for the mafia, now would I?
And since the host said there would not be infiltrators, that removes that possibility.
Not that I haven't explained it a half dozen times. :rolleyes:
CR
GeneralHankerchief
08-02-2008, 23:16
Explain it one more time then. Pretend for the sake of discussion that I'm slow.
TevashSzat
08-02-2008, 23:29
Okay guys, don't lynch Cronos. He is definately in my prostitute group. There is 100% no chance that he can be scummy.
I say that you guys should go lynch Sigurd just based off of khaan's guilty result.
Crazed Rabbit
08-03-2008, 00:31
And Sigurd's definitely in my prostitute group.
So who isn't confirmed as being in a group?
And GH, here's my explanation; go back to when khaan tried to get Sigurd lynched by claiming detective, and read all my posts from there on.
CR
I'm starting to think that there is something fishy going on here.
There could have been several reasons:
1. The killer did not send in the turn
2. Its not active
3. Its trying to frame Sigurd
4. Its Sigurd, who have fooled us all the game.
5. khaan manipulated the result
6. Omanes sent wrong the result
7. Its the Octosquid mafia. (Gonna copyright that idea :bounce:)
Looks like the killler is active, but didn't send the turn to frame Sigurd. But I could be wrong.
GeneralHankerchief
08-03-2008, 03:06
CR, that proves absolutely nothing. I want to see transcripts of all of yours and Sigurd's conversations before I believe you. You can leave the third mafioso prostitute out if you wish.
Crazed Rabbit
08-03-2008, 06:16
Last time someone demanded transcripts from me it was Sasaki going mafia in Capo II. I'm dead, so I don't think PM posting is alright. But anyways, it wouldn't prove anything - at least not to you, but just give you, as mafia, new points of attack.
And I think we've been clear Caius is with us. It's like you don't believe there are prostitutes in this game. Or, more likely, you're mafia.
CR
seireikhaan
08-03-2008, 07:10
CR, please tell me then, who do you think is guilty? GH is innocent.
GeneralHankerchief
08-03-2008, 15:37
Okay, just to clear things up once and for all, I am not mafia. khaan, who is also being implicated despite being killed by the mafia, is who he says he is:
GH: I am the detective.
You are a client of the Brothel who has in the past worked as a spy. Essentially you are a detective.
During the day you may, as is the case with all other players, vote for whom you think has intentions opposed to the clients and prostitutes.
During the night, however, you have an additional ability. You may investigate one person with the aim of finding out their intentions. You will gain one of three results for each person:
Guilty - evidently anti-prostitution
Unclear - the results are unclear. A second investigation may be more conclusive.
Innocent - evidently pro-client/prostitutes
Results have a 25% chance of ending up in the unclear section for most roles, although for others the chance of this happening is much higher.
If you have any problems feel free to drop me a PM ~:)
I investigated you night one, and I achieved an innocent result. Last night, I investigated TevashSzat, due to his rather incriminating post in which he changed his vote from me to FactionHeir. However, he was innocent as well. I'm contacting you because it would be beneficial to the town to not lynch someone who is innocent, so if you could maybe give me a little backing in directing the lynch towards someone else, that would be good.
With regards, Khaan.
Sweet.
I've actually been suspicious of Sigurd. He's setting off a few alarm bells and that "crazy townie" he usually pulls when innocent is nowhere in sight. I'll probably vote for him later today. At the very least, he can be the center of attention for today.
Do you need me to reveal as a proxy or is it not worth it?
GH
Nah, we don't need you to reveal right now. I'd like to wait just a bit longer before doing anything of the sort, at least one more round. I think I've netted enough suspicion on me that the mafia will leave me be for one more round. We might consider a proxy reveal then.
GH, I've decided it'd be more productive to have Sigurd survive this round. I'll investigate him tonight, and we'll find out where his loyalties lay. If he's with us, I can reveal privately and stop his suspicions of me, in addition to being able to utilize his efforts to the cause. If he's guilty, well, then I think it'd be wise for you to fake reveal for me, and reveal him.
All right, just in case he turns out to be a baddie, how exactly do we want to do the fake reveal? Do we want me to come right out and say I'm a proxy, or do I lie and say I'm the Detective? Proxy approach might let me off the hook (giving you more firepower in the long run), but a full fake reveal would make the mafia think that you were dead, surprising them in the long run.
I'm also going to PM Omanes to ask exactly what his rules are about the dead and communication (i.e. if I can confirm you are the Detective after you reveal for real, assuming I'm dead).
Finally, do I have your permission to use your role PM (and your results ones too, if possible)?
GH
Hmm...
I think the best approach would be to reveal by proxy, if Sigurd is guilty. If Sigurd is innocent, then I think it might be best to reveal privately to him, and then have you do a full fake reveal. Oh, and yes, you have full permission to use my role PM. I take it you still have it on file?
So, if Sigurd's innocent, reveal anyway, just to clear him? Understood the rest, BTW.
I still have your role PM, but none of the results PMs. Might as well pass them along once Omanes gets back to you about Sigurd.
GH
Yes, I think we should then reveal anyways, for two reasons: 1) It could buy me another turn or two, and 2) It clears Sigurd in the minds of the rest of the townies. Once he's cleared, we can sic him on the analysis without having to worry. Sigurd's a very helpful towny if cleared. I'll get you the result PM's once I get Sigurd back. Just in case I do die tonight, claim to be a proxy and reveal any result I get from Sigurd, as well as Tevash.
Time's a wastin'. Don't disappear on me again! :laugh4:
BTW, I'm going to be out for a week starting the 19th (tomorrow). Depending on how the Sigurd thing goes, you're probably going to need to find a new confidant.
GH
All right, I'll reveal anyway. See you in a week, if we're still alive.
GH
Sorry, but I had an outage a couple days ago and my internet just got back up online. Sigurd was found to be unclear.
At this point I did my thing and left for a week, as is well-documented on multiple parts of the .Org.
Since you're dead, I want the transcripts from Sigurd then, which is pretty much the only thing that will get me to change my vote at this point.
I can't see how my pm exchange with CR will exonerate me. Looking through my pms, I notice that CR hasn't sent me a single one.
And I think that is due to him being absent during long periods of this game.
I know how this looks and I would probably have voted me had I not known better.
It seems the last killer can't kill every night or have chosen not to kill this round. I know Caius is innocent and I strongly believe Cronos is too. I have no reason to believe EF is anything but a client as he is mentioned in my pm as one. And according to Cronos, GH is one too.
This leaves only Ichigo. But I can't see how phyros would leave the game being a mafioso or serial killer and continue being active in other forums.
Caius I and protected EF last night as a part of a plan to fool the last killer. Unfortunately the thread was closed and we couldn't execute our plan. We were lucky and it actually ended as we hoped with no-one killed.
The plan was to try to get the killer to make a hit on a protected EF.
We would publicly announce that the prostitute groups were protecting each other. We figured that the likely candidate of kills would be Caius, so I asked Cronos to protect him. I figured the killer would need me to have someone to take the blame and he needed GH's vote. If the killer believed Cronos and either me or Caius were protected he would probably go for either Ichigo or EF.
Caius believed Ichigo was the last killer so we chanced on protecting EF since that is one of the tasks I was given by Omanes in the first place.
I received this from Omanes this round:
Elite Ferret was not attacked, so did not require your protection on this night.
I will therefore vote according to plan.
vote:Ichigo
GeneralHankerchief
08-03-2008, 23:21
Sigurd, what did you do Night 4?
Sigurd, what did you do Night 4?
Based on my sent pms, I have this as night 4:
Hi Caius,
I think we should remove makaikhaan tonight and hopefully extinguish the mafia.
I will send in orders and you need to send in your orders too.
Good luck,
Sigurd
I also asked Cronos to protect Caius that night.
I meant to send in my orders but procrastinated until it was too late. Caius might confirm as he probably received a failed attempt note from Omanes.
I know this will make me look guilty, but it is the truth.
So, you and Caius killed our detective?
I can't believe this. We have a guilty mafioso telling us he killed the detective and you guys are going to lynch somebody else...
unvote:Cronos
vote:Sigurd
it just doesn't add up, unless GH is the other mafia, but I have no reason to think that.
So, you and Caius killed our detective?
I can't believe this. We have a guilty mafioso telling us he killed the detective and you guys are going to lynch somebody else...
Oh get off your high horse. You know very well that on night 4 nobody knew makaikhaan was the detective. If I were a mafioso I would have killed GH who we all thought were the detective that night. But he wasn't killed because his unclear result served the mafia well.
I have it on good authority that GH, Cronos and EF are pro-town and Caius is an group member. That leaves only Ichigo. Maybe he has a complicated role which was too much for phyros to handle. Maybe that is why he gave it away.
And something else have been nagging my brain. If we just immerse ourself in the think tank here.
The killer who took body parts. Maybe he collected them for something. I am thinking Frankenstein related stuff. Could it be that phyros was a Frankenstein in the making and when they had gathered sufficient body parts they (puritans) could unleash this monster? :thinking:
GeneralHankerchief
08-04-2008, 15:02
That leaves only Ichigo. Maybe he has a complicated role which was too much for phyros to handle. Maybe that is why he gave it away.
And something else have been nagging my brain. If we just immerse ourself in the think tank here.
The killer who took body parts. Maybe he collected them for something. I am thinking Frankenstein related stuff. Could it be that phyros was a Frankenstein in the making and when they had gathered sufficient body parts they (puritans) could unleash this monster? :thinking:
To paraphrase Sasaki: SCUM SCUM SCUM
To paraphrase Sasaki: SCUM SCUM SCUM
I'd love to paraphrase GeneralHankerchief: for the sake of discussion, let's assume that I don't know who this Sasaki is you're talking about. Why exactly is Sigurd's post scummy?
But I'll limit myself to: I concur.
What good will a discussion about a possible Frankenstein do but divert attention away from the suspects?
GeneralHankerchief
08-04-2008, 16:41
Classic Sigurd mafioso behavior. Rationalizing a ridiculous explanation for why he's innocent and trying to divert the town's attention to frivilous wild goose-chases.
I guess we will see when the game finally ends why the killer took body parts from his victims.
If you are going to lynch me because the so called detective got a guilty result on me for having ordered the death of Tevashat and makaikhaan, both of witch was foiled BTW, so be it.
Omanes stated that there would not be any infiltrations in the pro-town groups.
I have claimed to be a prostitute and both CR and Caius can vouch for me.
We know from the initial post that there were at least two such groups and TevashSzat, Shlin28 and Cronos Impera claims to be the other group.
I have yet to see any of the other players disagree with these claims. Ergo, they must be true.
The only thing I have seen is GH, EF and Ichigo all voting for confirmed pro-town players.
Take this round, Both Cronos and myself has been voted. We are Prostitutes. Now who is scum? The only scummy behaviour in this round have been found in the voting of GH, EF and Ichigo.
This is my pm from Omanes, and yes an interesting tidbit of information to you killer(s). If you had taken out EF I might have died too:
You are a member of a group of prostitutes in the Brothel.
You win if all anti-client/prostitute players are killed - either murdered or lynched.
During the day you can, like other players, vote for whom you want to lynch. Your aim is to lynch who you think has objectives against that of the town.
On a night, if any members of your group have attempts made on their life, they have a chance of survival due to the protection provided by other group members. There is a 50% chance of survival when all three group members are alive and 25% when two group members are alive.
Also on a night you may, as a group, work together to kill or protect one player. The decision of who is to be targeted and with which action must be unanimously decided by the entire group. All members must PM me to confirm their choice. If one person fails to PM me the action will not be performed. Bear in mind though, when you act all the protection provided by being in a group is lost, making all players as vulnerable as an ordinary client.
When a single group member is left alive, they cannot perform any actions beyond voting in the day lynch. The group protection also is lost making them vulnerable to acts against their life.
Your group consists of Caius and Crazed Rabbit.
During your years as a prostitute and as the only one in your group, one of your regular clients has become dear to you and you are now lovers.
You must ensure that your lover does not die at any point throughout the game. Although this is not compulsory, the death of your lover results in a 25% chance of you committing suicide from the following depression.
Your lover is Elite Ferret
If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a PM ~:)
GeneralHankerchief
08-04-2008, 17:33
EF, did Omanes mention this at all to you?
EF, did Omanes mention this at all to you?
You should know GH, Cronos claims you are [her] lover.
GeneralHankerchief
08-04-2008, 17:44
:inquisitive:
I need to think about this.
GeneralHankerchief
08-04-2008, 17:55
If Cronos confirms what you say in this thread, then I believe you. Otherwise, no.
I think I have mentioned all of this before ... and Cronos has three pms from me that he has yet to read.
And what do you think of Ichigo? He was quite fast accusing Cronos after the kills were posted (about 30 min).
Did you know how long this thread would be locked for? I didn't.
I think I have mentioned all of this before ... and Cronos has three pms from me that he has yet to read.
And what do you think of Ichigo? He was quite fast accusing Cronos after the kills were posted (about 30 min).
Did you know how long this thread would be locked for? I didn't.
The thread was locked on the 26th. Cronos hasn't been online since the 25th. I didn't claim I'd know how long it would be locked for.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
08-04-2008, 18:57
Day VII Conclusion
After a day of intense voting and a variety of accusations from all sides, Sigurd Fafnesbane was selected as the lynch target.
With the ideas for new ways of how to lynch a victim limited, the brothel inhabitants chose to slit his throat in a clean and easy manner. For Sigurd, however, this was not to be a painless or easy death as blood slowly was removed from the system as he bled to death.
****
Sigurd Fafnesbane has been lynched!
Tally:
Sigurd Fafnesbane – 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Eliit Tuhkur)
Cronos Impera – 1 (Ichigo)
Ichigo – 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Night VII begins. This night phase will conclude at aproximately 19:00 (GMT+1) on Tuesday the 5th of August.
Alive (5):
Caius
Cronos Impera
Eliit Tuhkur (formerly Elite Ferret)
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo (joined D2 - replaced anelious phyros)
Lynched (6):
pevergreen (D1) (formerly peverpink)
FactionHeir (D2)
Quintus.J.Cicero (D3)
Beefy187 (D4)
Craterus (D5)
Andres (D6)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (D7)
Killed (7):
El Diablo (N1)
Tratorix (N2)
Rythmic (N2)
TevashSzat (N3)
Crazed Rabbit (N3)
shlin28 (N4)
makaikhaan (N5)
WoGed (0):
Suicided (1):
anelious phyros (D2) (replaced with Ichigo)
Happy now ???
Do the right thing next round. :whip:
GeneralHankerchief
08-04-2008, 19:27
Happy now ???
Do the right thing next round. :whip:
We'll see what happens first.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
08-05-2008, 19:33
Night VII Conclusion
Caius was sitting in the room which had the most comfortable feel to it. Caius was watching a most spectacular shooting star event outside of this rooms window, which was causing great feelings of amazement at the night's sky.
Before it was all over, however, a hooded figure walked into the room. He, or was it a she, Caius could not tell, immediately looked at Caius, who turned around in response to the figures presence.
"Hello", the figure immediately stated in a fairly seductive yet cold manner "I was wondering how you were getting on with the deaths of your friends, presuming that they have died of course. If you were being truthful over the past few days".
Caius did not respond, only reaching for the knife that was kept in the nearby cabinet.
"Now now, there's no need for that, after all, it'll make killing you a lot more difficult, and I like to make my kills nice and easy."
Before Caius could act, the figure was upon him brandishing, what looked to be, a very large breadknife. Caius, in shock, dropped his own weapon, and was brutally slapped across the face with the assailant's weapon five times, before it was used to saw through his neck.
The figure, before leaving, chose to sew Caius' partially cut off neck back together with a piece of woollen thread. A mess really was not this person's style.
****
Caius has been killed!
Day VIII begins. This day phase will conclude at approximately 19:00 (GMT+1) on Thursday the 7th of August. This is a total of about 48-hrs.
Alive (4):
Cronos Impera
Eliit Tuhkur (formerly Elite Ferret)
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo (joined D2 - replaced anelious phyros)
Lynched (6):
pevergreen (D1) (formerly peverpink)
FactionHeir (D2)
Quintus.J.Cicero (D3)
Beefy187 (D4)
Craterus (D5)
Andres (D6)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (D7)
Killed (7):
El Diablo (N1)
Tratorix (N2)
Rythmic (N2)
TevashSzat (N3)
Crazed Rabbit (N3)
shlin28 (N4)
makaikhaan (N5)
Caius (N7)
WoGed (0):
Suicided (1):
anelious phyros (D2) (replaced with Ichigo)
GeneralHankerchief
08-05-2008, 19:35
My bad. :sorry:
Vote: Ichigo
I could have posted a PM stating that my group was destroyed when Sigurd was lynched. That proves that he is inncoent, so was I.
Vote:Cronos
Last Activity: Today 03:21
Vote:Cronos
Explain how he sent the PM without having entered to the org.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1982953&postcount=450
Crazed Rabbit
08-06-2008, 05:03
Mmmkay, hopefully, seeing as the two of the people who said they were in Sigurd's prostitute group were killed by the mafia, Elite Ferret will do the right thing, as will Cronos, and vote Ichigo.
CR
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1982953&postcount=450
Sorry Ichigo, that is not good enough.
I saw that Cronos hadn't been online (since the 25th of July) even though the kills were posted.
You can't use that as evidence.
Could it be that one of the clients of the prostitutes are guilty? but the prostitute does not know?
In that case, kill the Ferret (or whatever he is called now)
Cronos Impera
08-06-2008, 14:48
Vote: Ichigo
Indeed, how can you explain the following?
1. You ware shy the first round of voting and yet you get no WOG. That means you had some underground activity to compensate for that.
2. Somehow the kills are almost too convenient.
a) No major star of the lynch round save let's say Makaikhaan got killed.
b) Sigurd got lynched and the following night Caius gets killed destroying that potentially hostile group.
c) Night 6's kill target somehow escaped but that had to do probably with the fact that no kill orders ware recieved from one of the puritans. When the prostitutes\puritans send their orders all PM's must reach their target or the whole affair fails.
3. I was inactive during the timeframe there ware supposedly no killings but during that timeframe picking an obvious kill target wasn't as easy as it had been in the past since most convenient targets ware gone and someone was needed to lynch either me or Sigurd. Plus, the prostitutes have the ability to defend\kill someone one night so that probably justifies the no kill night.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
08-07-2008, 18:55
Day VIII Conclusion
As the day concluded, Ichigo found himself up for the lynch. The few surviving brothel residents chose to try something new and chose to kill him by drowning.
Ichigo's head was placed over a bucket of water, pushed in and was held there until he stopped moving.
After Ichigo's death, Cronos Impera approached GeneralHankerchief, removing the cloak she was wearing.
"Come on honey, home time". GeneralHankerchief's only reaction was plain shock with an element of fear.
"Wife!? What are you doing here?".
Cronos grabbed GeneralHankerchief's hair and dragged his head down to her level.
"I came to find out where you go on those mystery weekends, where you stay and what you do. I found the truth alright. You and that Caius." Cronos spat these words out as if they were poison. Her eyes almost glowed red with fiery rage. "Was what I provided not enough for you?" Cronos slapped her husband dramatically providing a massive red blemish on the side of his face. "Well I've killed her, she's dead, so now you shall only be loving me I presume?"
GeneralHankerchief dared not refuse and simply followed as he was dragged outside by his hair by Cronos. Before she left, however, she also spoke to Eliit Tuhkur.
"Your wife loved you, yet you came here each night, sleeping with Tevash. She came with me, we had a pact Sigurd and I which is the only reason you, traitorous and adulterous scum, are still alive and walking this earth".
Cronos slapped her friends' widower and walked out of the brothel, dragging her horrified husband with her. Confused, and not sure what to do, Ellit Tuhkur decided to stay in the now empty brothel, and drain the wine stash.
****
Ichigo has been lynched, leaving only Cronos Impera (Envious Housewife), Eliit Tuhkur (Client) and GeneralHankerchief (Client) alive! With the two surviving pro-town players not counted as being against the envious housewife team in the statistics, this results in an
Envious Housewife Victory!
Congratulations ~:)
Tally:
Ichigo - 2 (Cronos Impera, GeneralHankerchief)
Cronos Impera - 1 (Ichigo)
Key:
Puritans
Pro-client/prostitute
Serial Killer
Envious Housewives
Member of a Victorious Team
Alive (3):
Cronos Impera (Envious Housewife - married to GeneralHankercheif envious of Caius. Grouped with TevashSzat and shlin28)
Eliit Tuhkur (Client - married to Sigurd Fafnesbane)
GeneralHankerchief (Client - married to Cronos Impera)
Lynched (7):
pevergreen (D1) (Client)
FactionHeir (D2) (Client)
Quintus.J.Cicero (D3) (Puritan)
Beefy187 (D4) (Puritan)
Craterus (D5) (Serial Killer)
Andres (D6) (Client)
Sigurd Fafnesbane (D7) (Envious Housewife - married to Elite Turkhur envious of TevashSzat. Grouped with Caius and Crazed Rabbit)
Ichigo (D8) (Client)
Killed (7):
El Diablo (N1, by Craterus) (Client)
Tratorix (N2, by Craterus) (Client)
Rythmic (N2, by the Puritans) (Client)
TevashSzat (N3, by the Puritans) (Prostitute - grouped with shlin28 and Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Crazed Rabbit (N3, by Craterus) (Prostitute - grouped with Caius and Sigurd Fafnesbane)
shlin28 (N4, by Craterus) (Prostitute - grouped with TevashSzat and Cronos Impera)
makaikhaan (N5, by Cronos Impera) (Detective)
Caius (N7, by Cronos Impera) (Prostitute - grouped with Sigurd Fafnesbane and Crazed Rabbit)
Role Explainations
The prostitutes and clients have already had their role explained, although there was a detail I left out of the PMs of the prostitutes - I mentioned nothing about infiltrators and, elsewhere, explicitly stated that there were no such roles in the game. This was a deliberate slip of the truth - I did say at the start that what I was telling players was not necessary going to be stuck to as if it were law.
The detective could investigate one person per night, getting told if the target was either innocent (definitely innocent), unclear (unknown, although a second investigation may have yielded a clearer result) and guilty (definitely guilty).
Most roles had a 10% chance of being found unclear and some roles were more likely to yield an unclear result than others. I did not tell the detective this, but these roles were the ones which were not described at the start of the game (Envious Housewives and the Serial Killer). There was a 50% chance of uncertainty appearing if they were investigated.
The puritans have had the majority of their role details explained. They did, however, in addition to what was already said, have the ability to recruit new players from the ranks of other groups if they were willing and chose a certain path. Initially I did plan to extend the role list a little more, but in the end, the only group able to do this were the envious housewives.
The serial killer had the ability to kill one person per night with no complexities or strings.
The envious housewives were probably the most complex role in the game. They were placed in the prostitute groups, one in each group, and their initially objectives were to kill the prostitutes that their husbands - Eliit Tuhkur and GeneralHankerchief - were sleeping with - Caius and TevashSzat. These prostitutes had no idea that they were targets and the husbands knew nothing about their affiliation with these women. If a husband was killed, then the wife would have had a 50% chance of committing suicide from the depression. Due to this their husbands did not count against them in the statistics.
Initially, this had to be done through manipulating the prostitute groups they had infiltrated. The protection mechanism made it harder for this manipulation to occur, so the two people would have to work in cooperation to make their efforts work. They were not able to kill alone until they were the only ones left in their group. If they were both without their group, then they would have only been able to kill one person per night (unless they were looking for the puritans - see below).
These infiltrators lowered the protection barriers of the prostitute groups - when a member was attacked, they were not counted as being part of the group, leaving a lesser chance of survival. When they were attacked, however, the full protection of the group was put into force, allowing them to survive more easily.
After they had killed their target prostitutes, they could either join the puritans or go it alone. The puritan joining option granted them the ability to investigate five players each night until they found the puritans. This investigation was not conventional though, only saying whether the target was or was not a puritan. At any point they could choose to go back and go it alone - I would not have told them if the puritans were or were not dead.
Once a puritan was found, they automatically joined and their abilities, including the lack of the counting of the husbands in the statistics, were added onto those of the puritan team.
If they went it alone, they would retain their abilities and have a new objective of gaining a majority over everybody who were not one of their husbands.
Night by night actions
Night I:
makaikhaan (Detective) investigated GeneralHankerchief (Client) finding him to be innocent
The puritans tried to kill shlin28 (prostitute), but were driven back by his prostitute group.
Craterus (Serial Killer) killed El Diablo (Client)
Night II:
makaikhaan (Detective) investigated TevashSzat (Prostitute) finding him to be innocent
The puritans killed Rythmic (Client)
Craterus (Serial Killer) killed Tratorix (Client)
Night III:
makaikhaan (Detective) investigated Sigurd Fafnesbane (Envious Housewife) finding him to be unclear
Craterus (Serial Killer) killed Crazed Rabbit (Prostitute)
The puritans killed TevashSzat (Prostitute)
TevashSzat and shlin28 (Prostitutes) attempted to kill Beefy187 (Puritan), but failed due to Cronos Impera (Envious Housewife), failing to send his approval and the death of TevashSzat (Prostitute).
Caius (Prostitute) and Sigurd Fafnesbane (Envious Housewife) attempted to kill TevashSzat (Prostitute), but failed due to the lack of PM approval, the death of Crazed Rabbit (Prostitute) and the fact the puritans had already killed him anyway.
Night IV: makaikhaan (Detective) investigated Sigurd Fafnesbane (Envious Housewife) finding him to be guilty!
Craterus (Serial Killer) killed shlin28 (Prostitute) leaving Cronos Impera (Envious Housewife) free to kill one person per night at will.
Night V:
makaikhaan (Detective) investigated Andres (Client) although was killed by Cronos Impera before he could recieve any results.
Cronos Impera (Envious Housewife) killed makaikhaan (Detective)
Night VI:
Cronos Impera (Envious Housewife) did not kill anybody
Night VII
Cronos Impera (Envious Housewife) killed Caius
Thanks for playing :bow:
seireikhaan
08-07-2008, 18:58
Hah. I was right to begin with, Sigurd and Chronos WERE scum.:smash:
GeneralHankerchief
08-07-2008, 19:00
Meh, at least I stuck to my guns with Sigurd.
This was probably the weirdest/scariest Mafia game ending I've ever read. :laugh4: Thanks for hosting, Omanes! :bow:
Quintus.JC
08-07-2008, 19:03
Congratulations to the desperate housewifes. :2thumbsup:
Looks like the god was not with us this time.:shame:
Thank you Omanes for hosting. :bow:
You and that Caius.
!!!
Thats weird and good at teh same time. Now everything is ok...Sigurd was mafia I'd say?
Craterus
08-07-2008, 20:34
Good game.
Thank you Omanes.
I found the truth alright. You and that Caius.
:laugh4:
Nice ending :2thumbsup:
Thanks for hosting Omanes and congrats to the envious housewives :bow:
TevashSzat
08-07-2008, 22:13
Thanks for hosting, Omanes too.
I'm surprised that we got the mafia/serial killer so early and in a row too....The thing is I was so sure that FactionHeir was scummy....oh well
Hehe ... this was a fun game.
Our win conditions were either to join the mafia after we had disposed of TevashSzat and Caius or form our own.
After a few rounds we decided to dispose the puritans and since between us we knew the identity of 8 players it wasn't too hard to figure out who the culprits could be (ref. my analysis).
After failing to kill makaikhaan which I thought was a puritan, I thought I would try to get through the game winning without having killed a single player. That would be a new record or something.
Oh well ... At least my team won.
If Caius and Cronos had been active in the round I was lynched, we could at least have had a stand off with Ichigo and me tied. I wounder how that would have ended.
All in all I am happy with the result and thank you Omanes for hosting. :2thumbsup:
El Diablo
08-08-2008, 05:15
Thanks for hosting Omanes. Good game!
Although having now played 3 mafia games and having not made it past the first day...
...that first day........ :skull: :wall:
Craterus
08-08-2008, 14:25
Thanks for hosting Omanes. Good game!
Although having now played 3 mafia games and having not made it past the first day...
...that first day........ :skull: :wall:
Apologies. It was the name to be honest. Satan and puritans is a no-no.
If only I had been back from Berlin earlier...at least I survived :beam:
Thanks for hosting Omanes, that was one of the few games that I actually knew roughly who to suspect, even though I was away for half of it :laugh4:
Cronos Impera
08-09-2008, 11:05
Great game...thanks Omanes for such a great game.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
08-11-2008, 09:22
I've updated the previous post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1984049&postcount=458) with role details and a full action summery.
Again, thank you for playing :bow:
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