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NagatsukaShumi
09-14-2002, 04:39
So, who is you favorite faction? Oh and tell my why, I'm just curious.
My favorite faction is the Turks, I just feel they have apretty good army is you can build up for long enough.
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Definetely The Danes. The Vikings are absolutely superb in the first part of the game, they're very cheap but VERY good, I won all European mainland with only them practically http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
In MP, apart from the Danes, the Byzantines are very good - both Byz Cav and Inf are excellent for a good price.
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Emperor Theodoripiklos IV
09-14-2002, 05:12
Byzantines...the legacy of Rome lives on in the Empire...its rich history...and i just cant resist kicking some turkish butt...i have been waiting forever for a game where is can play the Byzantines and crush the western and eastern barbarians. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
And you gotta love the Byz Inf...freaking Roman legion
The Byz.
The idea of holding the only thing preventing barbarians from invading Western Europe (Constantinople) is just too much to resist. I also love the excitement in anticipating the Golden Horde arrival.
My strategy is usually to neutralize / eliminate the Turks (within the 1st decade) and Egypt. It kinda sucks though that most of my early battle have to be in desert area (where my army tires like crazy).
With Turks and Egypt gone, now I have to anticipate the massive Crusade the Catholics going to launch at me and of course the arrival of the Golden Horde (1230).
Gotta love the Byz.
Tachikaze
09-14-2002, 07:58
So far, all I do is lose. So I hate every enemy faction I have fought, and I hate all of the factions I have played even more.
I did better with the Japanese and Mongols. They are my favorite two.
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#1Holy Roman Empire
I love the strategic ability to reach out and touch half the factions. Of course they can do this to you too. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
#2Byzantine Empire
I love the entire concept of changing history to were the remnents of the Roman Empire crush all of Europe and become THE world power.
Warmaker
09-14-2002, 10:09
I've played the Byzantines alot since it was the first faction I played then later the Spanish.
The Byzantines have some good units for fair prices. They have a very good cavalry selection. The Kataphractoi and Poronoi Allagion (sp?) are your hvy.cavalry. The Byzantine Cavalry are improved horse archers but not possessing the "Fast" attribute.
The bulk of my Byzantine armies are the Byzantine Infantry. They're fairly priced for 175 flourins. You get 100 disciplined, armored troops. I imagine they're not as good as the older, say Legions of Imperial Rome, but they're still good and most importantly reliable.
As far as fighting in the desert with armored troops you have to be very careful on your troops' movements and use the "Move Quickly" command unless absolutely necessary. Actually, as playing as a non-Islamic faction, I love playing in the deserts late in the game. Why? No rain to pour down onto my arquebusiers and field artillery.
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Quote Byzantines...the legacy of Rome lives on in the Empire...its rich history...and i just cant resist kicking some turkish butt...i have been waiting forever for a game where is can play the Byzantines and crush the western and eastern barbarians.[/QUOTE]
Bro, you couldn't have expressed my feelings any better. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I played only with italians so far. i like to assure that i am the master of the seas, then i block the almo, destroy all their ships and pillage the african and spanish coast when they bring all their troops i retreat but i usually do a lot of damage they can keep the pace whith the destruction, then i hit them whith a crusade and all it's over. but i did not manage till now to win a entire campain because while i am at war whith almos the easterners ( byzanthines, turks or egyptians become very strong they build huge fleets so i cannot apply the same tactic.
Definatly the Almohads, the Almohad Urban Militia rules, combined with Muwahid Infrantry and Nubian Spearmen and a good portion of Desert Archers and some Saharan Cavalery they have never been beaten! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
the Spanish fell quickly, Aragon was next, the french has a crusade standing by my border but it has been standing still for 30 years now, as they don't DARE attack, their goal is of cours Cordoba.
Against the Egyptians i have had some more problem, particulary since the HRE declared a crusade on my arab ass... they came from behind and stole Egypt while my army was fighting in arabia and Palestine to press the Egyptiabns towards the Byzantin border. I had to return about half of my army and is currently sieging them in Cairo, but the Egyptians are pressing me, and I fear that i will not be able to hold on for long unless I an get reinforcments from Spain quickly.
Ratta Yamamoto
09-15-2002, 23:14
English
I like the English. Not quite sure why but probably because I live in England.
Definitely the Turks and the Egyptians. The Turks and the Egyptians were definitely the most tolerant rulers of medieval times, more so than the more fanatical Almohads, and they have kickass units! Love the Mamluk cavalry (great armor-piercining bonus) Saracen infantry, Heavy Janissaries, Turkish Sipahi. Love taking Constantinople and bringing Islam to all the benighted Europeans still burning their heretics! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Look at your Egyptians and Turks now, first they kill off eachother, than the khilafah moved in, if it was not for their allies the byzantines they would already be crushed!
Uh ... huh?
Maybe in your game ...
Mori Gabriel Syme
09-16-2002, 08:43
Definitely the English.
I started this campaign by bribing the Welsh & Scottish armies; I would have bribed the Irish as well, but they weren't kind enough to build a port so I had to conquer them. That way, I get their troops as well as their land, which is important because I haven't yet built up Wales to produce any new longbows, but the ones I bought have been invaluable against armored cavalry.
The King who was Thursday
Spanish(early) so far. Rich lands, great kings, iron deposits, extremely loyal generals and troops. Ally with the English, French and Aragonese. Bribe El Cid in Valencia and the rebels in Navare. Then permanently cripple the Almohads by taking their home , Cordoba. Continue taking out the Elmos up to Egypt while getting 1000 florins a year from the pope for your good deeds. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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France.
(but I will probably test Byz next time ... aaahh the Roman Empire ... aaahh)
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deejayvee
09-16-2002, 13:05
The Poles so far. Polish Retainers are cool, but the best bit about playing as the Poles is that you have plenty of orthodox and rebel provinces to expand into without causing issue with the Pope.
i like the danes but recently someone has been stealing my vikings http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
but it will be ok, because they are missing the beer and woman, not to many off em stuck on a rock http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
hhhoooooowwwllllllllllll
Emperor Romanus IV
09-22-2002, 14:34
Byzantines Rock!!I can finally put into play what i've been reading abt 4 some time and rewrite history so that this great empire did not expire when it did due to the corruption and incompetence of it's rulers.
The troop selection is also good,since it has it's own unique flavour.
BertrandDuGuesclin
09-22-2002, 14:41
Maybe you should have asked: "What faction is the most misbalanced?"
Lethal DRB
09-22-2002, 14:56
I personelly like the Poles the most.
But its just how u like to play and what u like to play with..
DRB
Quote Originally posted by BertrandDuGuesclin:
Maybe you should have asked: "What faction is the most misbalanced?"[/QUOTE]
mmm... yes. Do you refer to the entire faction/territories of the faction OR
to unique units ? (like longbowmen overpowered for the english ?)
With France, I have no unique unit http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
A special cavalry unit should have been great or something like that, I don't know.
btw, the english longbowmen are GREAT.
BertrandDuGuesclin:
"Bretagne, France" ... argh! no, don't put France there ! Breizh/Bretagne was great as an independant nation during early middle age.
Kenavo ! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
(J'ai vecu 8 ans à Brest ...)
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Quote Originally posted by Draksen:
[btw, the english longbowmen are GREAT.
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online h4 longbows beat h2 pavise arabalesters, but the cost, urgh.
spanish are good
Vlad The Impaler
09-22-2002, 16:59
1.byzantines-for the reasons that are already discussed in here & because i can go fast to the Wallachia,Moldova or Carpathia ;
2.the danes - those vikings units are truly great and they have only one province ;difficult position etc --> hard to play with them
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I like the Holy Roman Empire and the Spanish and the English(Cauz the camping on a island) and of course the Byzantines
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lancer63
10-09-2002, 00:09
I like the Mayas!!...ooops! wrong forum.
I have only played the English, the Elmos and the Turks I like'em all but with the AUM and Ghazi inf. I have beaten everyone I have fought every day of the week and twice on sundays.
DragonCat
10-09-2002, 00:17
I like the GREEN ones!
Because they are GREEN!
GAH!
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Michael the Great
10-09-2002, 00:44
Quote Originally posted by takkran:
I played only with italians so far. i like to assure that i am the master of the seas, then i block the almo, destroy all their ships and pillage the african and spanish coast when they bring all their troops i retreat but i usually do a lot of damage they can keep the pace whith the destruction, then i hit them whith a crusade and all it's over. but i did not manage till now to win a entire campain because while i am at war whith almos the easterners ( byzanthines, turks or egyptians become very strong they build huge fleets so i cannot apply the same tactic. [/QUOTE]
Takkran,art thou romanian??
Well,i like the English,the Billmen and Longbows will trash any army when defending...
I like the romanians too...(mod)
Mah,vezi ca o sa fac un clan romanesc in viitor............
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AgentBif
10-09-2002, 02:00
I'm still only working on my first campaign, but I must say I really like what I'm playing: the English.
Those billmen are cheap but devastating to everything. With AP weapons they chew up heavy cavalry for breakfast... Yesterday I faced an army of 3000 Egyptians and the first thing the Kalifah did was charge into my bills! He went down within 30 seconds and the entire army routed with no reenforcements!
Longbows are great for spitting out a huge volume of devastating armor piercing pain very rapidly, but I don't buy many of them... they are specialty missiles.
Gallowglass and Kerns are very nice secondary foot units and are incredibly cheap.
The English position is a good safe one, though trying to solidify their french territories is a headache.
Finally, they have a sector with a naval unit valor bonus, which really helps in the later game.
Other factions which look really interesting to me are: The Byz and the Turks. Turks have a lot of really cool looking units.
bif
Quote Originally posted by Paladin:
Bro, you couldn't have expressed my feelings any better. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif [/QUOTE]
I'm there with you. Never dreamed I'd have a game where I could play the Byzantines.
Grifman
byz!
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POLAND!!! because i was born there and lived there for the first 6 years of my life. go polska!
Jo_Beare
10-09-2002, 07:46
The Italians have to be the best and 10 reasons why.
1. Italian light infantry just kick butt.
2. Their crusades just rock.
3. Fire galleys rule the sea.
4. Trade is great.
5. Nice and close to your bud the pope so you can politely inform him of the errors in his judgements.
6. Nice and close to Switzerland. (Bigger deal after the patch when you have to be in control of Switzerland in order make Swiss Pike units.)
7. Nice little sea in your front yard that you can easily sail to Spain or the holy land or any place in between.
8. Hospitaller Knights. Superior to Templars and Santiogos in every way.
9. Gothic Knights and Gothic Foot Knights.
10. Great generals.
Didn't even mention anything about Genoese Sailors, Gothic Sergeants, and Gendarmes.
JoBeare
Konstantinos Palaiologos
10-09-2002, 11:48
I play the Byzantines.
I see that as a golden opportunity to take a "revenge" of the barbarian Turks and the other "Christian" West countries changing the history.
Of cource i like very much to crush pope and to put a puppet in his throne.
Byzantium will last forever(at least in my games!!)
I will have to play all factions in all 3 periods a few times in order to see which one I like the most.
* Danish rule. Otherwise, I wouldn't win my first campaign.
* English rock. Again, how could I win if they weren't so cool.
* Spanish is glorious.
* Currently, The Almohad is planning for the last offensive move to take over Europe.[/list]
So far, every faction (that I played) was just simply the best.
I like English, Turks & Bzy.
England - I love their starting position & army composition
Turks - May be because I am a Turk (or barbarian as usually expressed in the forum http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif ) Also the variety of the units and struggle against crusades
Bzy. Emp. - It is good to be in the other side and try to create a new history. Also, my ancestors came from the lands of Bulgaria (Sofia)and Greece (Selanik - I dont remember the exact phrase in Greek although I have visited).
Btw being a mixture of Balkans&Anatolia it is very hard to love one side and hate the other .
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So said the King
So it is written
as with every woman I knew, I love all the factions I had (call me a romantic)
- The French : fun first campaign on normal, I liked their flag and central position. No special units, though, which was disapointing.
- The biz : I agree with the general enthousiasm, great faction, plenty of special units, tough start in expert/middle (you don't even have constantinople and the turks are bitting your ankles). Biz inf with nice golden shields ruled the battlefield there...
- The poles : ah, the great plains of central europe, the retainers, crushing the russkies...
- The Italians : also already mentionned, I had fun with a trade and limited conquest policy, building a small but very upgraded army (campaign on points)
- and now the Spaniards, very fun too, I go for the 'catholilic rage' policy, building churches and monasteries everywhere and attacking only with crusades. I have more santiago nights that I know what to do with, esp. considering they are not that impressive. next step of the catholic rage : flood europe of inquisitors. MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Fact : I won't stop until I tried them all
Rosacrux
10-09-2002, 15:34
ROFL
Maroule, I just loooove your approach to the game.
AND
I ADORE the Byzantines. Not just because I am Greek. They are... superb. Go Constantinoupoli!!!!
Mr Durian
10-09-2002, 15:41
Byzantines are me favourite. Just gotta love those byz infantarys.
Sultan Osman
10-11-2002, 04:17
i play with Turks..why?firstly,i am Turkish..and i really love defeating byzantines,taking Costantinople(not Costa..whatever..ÝSTANBUL! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif from them..nowadays i an kicking pope out of Papacy http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif..have a nice day http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Rosacrux
10-11-2002, 16:21
Has anyone ever explained to you where the word "Ystanbul" derives from? If not... here it goes:
Your ancestors heard the Greeks saying, in regard to Constantinoupolis, "is tin polin", which means "in (at, to) the City", by account of Constantinoupolis being the City of the times, not just a city. They picked it up, like that:
Is tin polin=istinpolin=istanpol=Ystanbul.
So, nowadays you practically call Constantinoupolis "city" http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
[This message has been edited by Rosacrux (edited 10-11-2002).]
Sultan Osman
10-13-2002, 01:38
yeah..it is a city..isn't it? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
el_slapper
10-13-2002, 14:45
The Byz are cooler than anyone I tried. Single drawback : the lack of very strong spearmen, so it is very hard to keep a steady frontline & use efficiently those trebizond archers. But Varegian guards(not sure of spelling in english) are devastating. Last battle against the spanish, I had 2 units of 60 fighting a crusade
1st : 195 kills, 60 captures, 10 losses, +2 valor
2nd : 65 kills, 150 captures, 3 losses, +1 valor.
And it's a shame we froggies don't have any true special unit.
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turken00
10-13-2002, 21:18
Actually, Rosacrux, you are wrong there. Thats what they might have taught you in Greece, but the actual name of Istanbul is derived from "Islam bol" which means full of Islam in Turkish, and now it practically means city of Islam.
Lithuania!!! whait...I mean Holy Roman Empire http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Love the Turks. Janissaries, janissaries, janissaries! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Also love the Byz, now that I'm playing them for the first time. Byz cavalry are superb, and Kataphrakoi and Pronoiai Allagion (allergy?) are almost as good as knights. Byz infantry is excellent as well, and stand up almost as well as spears to cavalry while wrecking spears. I also love that you can get masses of horse archers, Turkish style.
I like the Spanish, as well. Jinette and lancers, good stuff, plus plenty of iron provinces.
Quote Originally posted by turken00:
Actually, Rosacrux, you are wrong there. Thats what they might have taught you in Greece, but the actual name of Istanbul is derived from "Islam bol" which means full of Islam in Turkish, and now it practically means city of Islam.[/QUOTE]
Well,is that really true? Because I always believed the version of Rosacrux. Or is this another propaganda of your barbaric-militaristic government?
And my favorite is too Byzantines,not only because they are my ancestors but they are the faction with the most options to play.
After them I prefer the Germans,because I really sympathise them in general,in the game they use the black colour (perfect) and they are challenging.
i played 5 campaigns straight as the Italians and they are great...but now i reverted back to the byzantines...
i also just love byzantine infantry...
daShibmiester
10-24-2002, 08:41
I like byz because of thie katrophactoi (sp?) and byz imfanty
the italians also kick ass cause their green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh, and those spearmen guys they get (i 4get wut they're called) are sweet
Niccolomachiavelli
10-24-2002, 08:58
I started as Byz to avenge my enslaved ancestors against the evil Turks, but I quickly started using the Egyptians because they start off in such a great spot.
Anything Christian, especially the Byzantines and Spanish, as they get a chance to crush the Islamic Hordes, and liberate the Christian lands from the Muslim invaders.
I like to avenge the millions of Christians that have been killed, enslaved and otherwise treated as "dhimmi" over the last 1400 years. Just imagine if we the majority of the Crusades had gone to the Holy land, instead of wasting all that effort in the Baltic regions. We probably wouldn't have had 9/11 if Islam had been crushed back then.
I refuse to play as a muslim. It just feels wrong, after having read the Koran.
got to be the english, i would reckon that most europeans/near easterners would have a soft spot for their home faction, i know i certainly do. after that probably the italians. their spearmen are fantastic, although genoese sailors are worse than useless. and do you know what, it isn't true, the italians don't run away at the first sign of a fight. good for them.
Ektos apo auto an grapseis me ellinikous xaraktires vgazei kinezika.Kalitera greeklish apo kinezika.
Rosacrux
10-24-2002, 17:21
wrong thread Ktonos,wrong thread... tsk,tsk, tsk...
Gringoleader
10-24-2002, 17:49
England is my favourite. The English faction gets longbows that absolutely hammer the enemy, Billmen that can stand against the finest cavalry and also access to Gallowglasses and Highlanders that are great fun to use, and even if properly armed up extremely deadly.
Also you get the hammer the Frenchies right from the get go, which is just priceless. =]
Prodigal
10-24-2002, 18:21
Quote Originally posted by Jo_Beare:
The Italians have to be the best and 10 reasons why.[/QUOTE]
Byzant's, (but I'm heavily frustrated about Armenian heavy cav. or rather lack of).
Why the quote? Because I am now drooling over the idea of playing the Italians. Ty Jo_Beare, I haven't considered trying them til now.
1) Byzantine, of course, because, well, it's actually the Roman Empire. How can you resist of the attraction of such a prestigious history and setting ? How can you resist the cultural and artistic powerhouse of the time ?
2) French, of course, because, well, it's the Middle-Age men. Chivalry, heavy knights, children of Charlemagnes. The Middle-Age would not be what it is without France.
And you have to occasion to trample these english peasants, that's just something you can't resist !
Quote Originally posted by Rosacrux:
Your ancestors heard the Greeks saying, in regard to Constantinoupolis, "is tin polin", which means "in (at, to) the City", by account of Constantinoupolis being the City of the times, not just a city. They picked it up, like that:
Is tin polin=istinpolin=istanpol=Ystanbul.
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Isn't it "eis ten polis" ?
Rosacrux
10-24-2002, 18:32
ROFL, seems like most people (at least the European ones - me included) take up a faction in correspondence with their nation's "natural" enemy... So we have brits vs french (and vice versa) greeks vs turks (and vice versa) christians vs muslims... and a whole assortment of others.
Cute http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Akka
trust me, I know my Greek... and more than "well" http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
[This message has been edited by Rosacrux (edited 10-24-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by Rosacrux:
trust me, I know my Greek... and more than "well" http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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I did not imply you did not know your greek, but I know about the iotisation phenomenom, which replaced most of the diphtongues, and particularly the "ei" with a single "i", so I was wondering, because it seems that it was "eis".
But my greek courses date from several years and I forgot most of it, so I'm not very reliable about it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
It really bugs me that in a thread called favorite factions you have to read nationalistic crap. Like it or not the Ottoman empire was the HEIR of Byzantium.
Both were diverse, multiethnic empires bridging east and west unified by a central religion. These 'Turks' were not barbarians. The key to Ottoman success was their patience and administrative skills, not just military prowess. They fought many Turkish tribes as well, in fact the conquest of Eastern Anatolia came after much of the Balkans was theirs.
Were they brutal, certainly, what empire wasn't. But the sack of Constantinople during the fourth Crusade (Franks + Venetians early 1200's) was far worse than when the city fell to the Turks.
I'm an Irish American, not a Turkic apologist. The more history I read the more connections and continuity I see. For instance, I'm well aware of the Brittish Empire's role in the conditions that let up to, and their callous handling of the Irish Potato famine. 1 million died and 2 million left out of 5 million people. But I don't hate the English.
Perhaps I'm taking these comments a little too seriously. But ignorance and hate make for some nasty wars and with my son fast approaching manhood the thought of war, real war, makes me sick.
Dark_Magician
10-24-2002, 19:06
so no one likes russians? Or mongols? Because they are not "early"? There're hungarians, too, btw.
I agree with everything DojoRat said. Can we just leave the religious prejudices and national hatreds at home, please? Spew all the nastiness you want when you're playing by yourself, but please be civil in the forums.
starkhorn
10-24-2002, 19:13
DojoRat,
So which faction is your favourite ?
Basically my favourite factions are the ones with the toughest starting positions and least amount of regions. So that obviously makes the Danes and Poles amongst my favourites....the Spanish too and of course Aragorn (with a mod)
Byz were cool but a little too easy for mine liking....starting with most of the Asia Minor and Greece....too easy.(I was playing in Hard early mode).
Dark_Magician
10-24-2002, 19:14
Quote Originally posted by DojoRat:
It really bugs me that in a thread called favorite factions you have to read nationalistic crap. Like it or not the Ottoman empire was the HEIR of Byzantium.
Both were diverse, multiethnic empires bridging east and west unified by a central religion. These 'Turks' were not barbarians. The key to Ottoman success was their patience and administrative skills, not just military prowess.
Were they brutal, certainly, what empire wasn't. But the sack of Constantinople during the fourth Crusade (Franks + Venetians early 1200's) was far worse than when the city fell to the Turks.
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Yeah, you're right Dojo, these were european crap who pulled dwn our jewel, the Konstantinopoil, damn those barbarians
Rosacrux
10-24-2002, 19:24
Akka
Oh, that was your point? Yes, surely, it was is and shall be "eis", not "is", I was just using the phonetic equivalent, not to mess up people who hadn't taken Greek course in school.
So, if you like it more precise, it should read "eis tin polin".
Dojorat
Dunno if you are an american of Irish descent, but for sure you are not close to any historical truth.
Ottoman rule was brutal and barbaric. Period. It kept my country in poverty and lack of any decent aspect of the western civilisation for almost 400 years. The Ottomans, allthough many westeners hold high esteem upon them, were nothing more than semi-barbaric tribesmen. And their alleged military success was a result of using dozens of thousands of poor peasantry as cannon-fodder, just to give the "decisive blow" with their elite (socialy and military-wise) units. And... continuation of the Byzantine Empire? You must be surely kidding, huh?
I am not waving any nationalistic banner here and I surely do not "hate" the Turks nowadays (I got quite a few Turkish friends too, if you don't mind).
But that doesn't mean I don't know my history and what happened in my country in the past, how much people here suffered as a result of the Ottoman rule. Hell, a dozen of my own ancestors were executed by skinning them alive (common "civilized" Ottoman practice, even in the 19th century) for rebelling against Ottoman rule.
I am really sorry to hear unhistorical assumptions by people who haven't got the slightiest idea of what is going on in other parts of this globe.
Russian, Boyars are great overall cavalry. Egyptians have a good diverse selection as well as multipurpose units i.e. Nizari's and such.
Ivan
"There're hungarians, too, btw."
They are my Favorite Faction. I like thier postion on the map, my only worry is the huge stacks of Bzy Army on border.
Quote Originally posted by DojoRat:
For instance, I'm well aware of the Brittish Empire's role in the conditions that let up to, and their callous handling of the Irish Potato famine. 1 million died and 2 million left out of 5 million people. But I don't hate the English.[/QUOTE]
isn't it fun the way americans get britain and england mixed up. i know a lot of people in the fringe who'd take serious exception to a comment like that, particularly the welsh, for some reason. not to take issue with anything you actually said mind you, just an observation. just for the record, i don't hate the froggies, i just think they're mildly pointless. :P
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Niccolomachiavelli
10-24-2002, 21:15
Quote Originally posted by Garoo:
Anything Christian, especially the Byzantines and Spanish, as they get a chance to crush the Islamic Hordes, and liberate the Christian lands from the Muslim invaders.
I like to avenge the millions of Christians that have been killed, enslaved and otherwise treated as "dhimmi" over the last 1400 years. Just imagine if we the majority of the Crusades had gone to the Holy land, instead of wasting all that effort in the Baltic regions. We probably wouldn't have had 9/11 if Islam had been crushed back then.
I refuse to play as a muslim. It just feels wrong, after having read the Koran.
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*riiiight* because those crusades and inquisitions which involved killing fellow christians/muslims were infinitely different and more justified than anything the muslims did in parallel.
Irony abound
Christians, muslims, you're both historically bat$hit insane as far as I'm concerned--both fighting for an invisible super-hero who lives in outer space and wants you to convert/kill strange foreign people to his worship.
I apologize for being offensive, the second paragraph is entirely my opinion and provides absolutely no supporting evidence for my viewpoint, therefore no one should try to refute it, as there is nothing to refute other than opinion http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
oh, and as for the Turkish thing, I havent looked into the subject for a *long* time, could someone details some of the aspects of the Turkish occupation--for my personal historical curiousity.
Niccolomachiavelli : don't feed the trolls.
Niccolomachiavelli
10-24-2002, 21:40
they looked hungry...
Sounds like everyone here needs a beer.
I enjoy the diversity of the Turks and play them allot (Janissaries rock). I also enjoy the Italians (light Infantry/Gothic knights) for they can become patheticly rich with trade fast. Spain for their fabled Jinettes (toggle S/F keys and they rule) and the absolute brutal killing charges of the Lancers! Amazing unit!
Byzanium was interesting, but starting with 7, 8 star generals seemed unfair to me. Also didn't like not having anti-calvary units save the spearmen as its a prime component to my army setup. But hey, everyone to thier own strategy.
I've tried all the other default factions and by far these three are my favorite.
The easy replies first.
Starkhorn, my favorite factions are the Byzantines and the Turks. odd huh. But I love that part of the world and it's history. Finding the time to play this game is my biggest challenge.
Kroney. Educate me. How do I refer to the nation/govt/empire that controlled Ireland in the mid 1800's.
Rusacrux. I apologize if I offended you and meant no disrespect to you or the sufferings of your family.
I know little of the History of the Ottoman Empire outside of the medieval period. I stand by my statement, however, that the Ottomans were able administrators, especially during the early years when all around them was chaos, who maintained a stable empire for hundreds of years. They were one of the few steppe peoples to make the transition from nomad to settled society and they drew upon the talents of the Byzantine Empire to do this. In fact, the term Heir of Byzantium was a chapter heading in a history I was reading on the time period. Also, are the Devs of this game all wrong when they consistantly mention the higher degree of discipline found in the turkish units of this time? I just read the account of one battle where French Knights, ignoring the advice of the Hungarians who knew better, charged recklessly and after over extending themselves were anihilated. Please give me the name of some books on the time period that will give me better information.
I love my country but know enough of its own barbarity (southern lynchings of blacks and diseased blankets for Native Americans come to mind)to easily label another culture as barbarous.
It's easy to fight, I know, I'm good at it, harmony is the hard part.
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He moves, you move first.
I would have to say either the French or the HRE because I like a good fight. All the other factions are too easy to play, particularly the Danes and the Spanish.
I`m playing my second Almo campaign so thats why i like them best http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Aftewards i might start a hungarian campaign(carpathia=ghostbusters-ish) or byzantines because many ppl seem to like it.
no you had it right dojorat, it was the british empire, but then you go on to say you don't hate the english, fair enough. only the british empire wasn't ruled exclusively by the english. england as an independant nation hasn't existed in a long time, not since the Union in 17-something-or-other, where england (and wales) merged with scotland, creating great britain. essentially the british empire was called british for a reason. your inference was that you believed the empire to have been run by the english, when, as now, parliament had members from all over GB.
what happened to the irish was unforgivable in anyone's book, but to blame a single race for the actions of an imperial government is a little unfair
muffinman14
10-25-2002, 03:41
fOR ME DEFINITALY THE iTALIANS, U GET GALLEYS WARGALLEYS AND GOTHIC SERGEANTS AND GOTHIC KNIGHTS AND GENOESE SAILRS AND ITIALIN INFANTRY
Yoko Kono
10-25-2002, 03:51
Quote Originally posted by Kroney:
no you had it right dojorat, it was the british empire, but then you go on to say you don't hate the english, fair enough. only the british empire wasn't ruled exclusively by the english. england as an independant nation hasn't existed in a long time, not since the Union in 17-something-or-other, where england (and wales) merged with scotland, creating great britain. essentially the british empire was called british for a reason. your inference was that you believed the empire to have been run by the english, when, as now, parliament had members from all over GB.
what happened to the irish was unforgivable in anyone's book, but to blame a single race for the actions of an imperial government is a little unfair[/QUOTE]
in all fairness the english were the predominate race and british policy was, for several generations, to make the world english
the only time the english had any use for us scots or the welsh or irish was as front line cannon fodder in its many wars
the empire was run almost exclusively by the english and had english interests at heart as it still does now
one only has to look at "british" governments of the last 30 years to see this bias in effect- the personification of this being thatcher- quite possibly the biggest tyrant of the welsh and scots since edward longshanks http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Nial Black Knee
10-25-2002, 03:55
I like the Italians but their much to easy.
The English are my favorite but dang they got some crapy generals. The Sicilians are fun and unusual.I havent tried the BYZ's but
their high on my list.
muffinman14
10-25-2002, 07:12
The itialans are easy but i play them on expert but their still fun to play and i control half of the world and the egyptians the other. Now im goin to have to make blitzkreig.
Niccolomachiavelli
10-25-2002, 07:45
yeah, blitz is all well and good........until all 10 provinces you took in a single turn suddenly develop 3 full stacks of Ghulam Bodyguars per territory and continue to do so for the next 120 turns and then when you finally get the upper hand, the game will CTD when you try to end the turn.
Thus spake Machiavelli
shokaku76
10-25-2002, 09:03
I enjoy playing Turks... but since it was brought up, which country can anyone name that has not committed some sort of attrocities? Face it, us human beings are savages. No wonder no alien race has tried to contact us... they must be afraid we would conquer them. Human history has been that of conquest, rape, and destruction. Even with UN, we still see death and mayhem. Perhaps the only country that I could thihk of is Australia... but then... they had this little deal with the aboriginies... see what I mean! Even the lovable fun loving mates have "skeleton" in their closet.
It's a sad sad statement to make, but I dare anyone to find a country/civilization that did not conquer/rape/murder/destroy their neighbors.
Damn... I was thinking of Swedes... but even they' too participated in the 30 year war and pillaged Germany.
Papa Bear!
10-25-2002, 11:51
as a political comment, in defense of the U.S. and "imperialist" nations past... the "x nation has never done anything like that" defense rarely applies, because nation X likely hasn't had the opportunity. As you say, our history as a whole is a brutal one, (depending on perspectives)...
but if you wish to analyze it more deeply, it isn't a history of mindless bloodshed, its simply a history of dominance... and dominance has made beautiful things. Catholic dominance brought a little peace, (and alot of culture comes from that dominance)... but to maintain dominance they had to go killing via crusades...
Roman dominance brought a plethora of beautiful achievements....
Athens was the most imperialistic and generally brutal state of its time, but it obviously had a great deal of contributions. (including, despite what detractors might claim, one of the purest large scale democracies the world has ever known, though briefly)...
So that all said... I can't find any nations I really like. None yet have fit me like a glove... (largely because of my desiered play style, and the weak diplomacy)
I prefer playing games like this from the standpoint of roleplayed benefactor... like playing as the english and devoting my time to keeping order in europe and to keeping the muslim hordes held back. All the while slowly cultivating an empire, not my own mind you, but a computer factions....
I know I'm not the only one that enjoys cultivating a powerful alliance, in which your the little guy, not the war winner, just the guy that clinches things for your buddy, all the while maintaining something, (in this case catholic power).
But of course, I've yet to find a faction where I can successfully remain potent, if not all powerful, without conquest and constant war... While also supporting an ally, without having to keep them allies through fear.
My current polish campaign may manage that, except that I'm hardly able to simply live in a corner as the poles. On the plus side, everybody is remaining an ally so far...
Pachinko
10-25-2002, 12:07
I really like the Byz. I REEEEAAALLLYY like the Turks. Jans/Inf/Archers/cavalry are so very Kool. I thought the Brits were cool...
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Ogre de Warrior
10-25-2002, 13:08
I like the Spanish, for 4 reasons:
1)I find Spanish history before 1492 incredibly interesting, full of intrigue, romance, etc. I've always wanted a game where I could take Spain and become the dominant world power.
2)Once you break the initial ranks of the Almos and take cordoba and Granada, its quite easy to just take your army right to Egypt and eliminate the Almos from the game.
3)Jinettes. So cool.
4)For the most part, they get really strong kings. I've had a couple real sissies, but for the most part, my heirs and my kings have been tactical powerhouses. My generals usually turn out pretty good too.
As for all this history and debate, it would be easier on everyone to just make 2 topics: 1)Historical debates about factions, and 2)Idiots who want to spout nationalistic crap and brag about their pride. That way, you can let everyone talk about their favorite factions STRICTLY RELATING TO THE GAME, you guys can have your debate, and the idiots have a place to feel proud of themeselves. Everyone wins.
as a matter of interest, and purely as a matter of interest seeing as this thread is starting to get hijacked, before devolution a significant number of MP's in westminster were scots, even afterwards there are still more than you might expect. granted the figureheads of empire were english, i never said they weren't, i only meant that the actual power wasn't exclusively ours. if anyone have any genuine cause to complain, it is the welsh who, since being conquered have had very little diplomatic clout within the uk, even this assembly of theirs is a puppet of westminster. and complain they do. loudly.
i'm really not trying to defend british actions or policies i'm only saying it isn't fair to judge a modern country on the values of their ancestors.
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Well I partly agree. I believe that a country can be judged from its past actions, but certainly not its people.
Quote As for all this history and debate, it would be easier on everyone to just make 2 topics: 1)Historical debates about factions, and 2)Idiots who want to spout nationalistic crap and brag about their pride. That way, you can let everyone talk about their favorite factions STRICTLY RELATING TO THE GAME, you guys can have your debate, and the idiots have a place to feel proud of themeselves. Everyone wins.[/QUOTE]
I second this.
Stefan the Berserker
10-25-2002, 16:40
I prefer HRE, golden Horde, Byzantium and Scots! Modding-is-great! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Swoosh So
10-25-2002, 16:41
Byzantium so much character
turken00
10-26-2002, 00:37
Quote Originally posted by shokaku76:
I enjoy playing Turks... but since it was brought up, which country can anyone name that has not committed some sort of attrocities? Face it, us human beings are savages. No wonder no alien race has tried to contact us... they must be afraid we would conquer them. Human history has been that of conquest, rape, and destruction. Even with UN, we still see death and mayhem. Perhaps the only country that I could thihk of is Australia... but then... they had this little deal with the aboriginies... see what I mean! Even the lovable fun loving mates have "skeleton" in their closet.
It's a sad sad statement to make, but I dare anyone to find a country/civilization that did not conquer/rape/murder/destroy their neighbors.
Damn... I was thinking of Swedes... but even they' too participated in the 30 year war and pillaged Germany. [/QUOTE]
I completely agree with you... Savagery is a part of the nature of human beings. I also cannot think of a single empire in history which has not committed atrocities. I just regret the fact that some Greeks have a twisted view of the Ottoman Empire due to sufferings of their family. I don't blame them, but I find it absurd to judge an empire or nation due to personal feelings. I had relatives die in the Turkish Independence War fighting against Greeks, yet I hold no grudge against them. Greeks and Turks have fought against each other all throughout history yet that is hopefully all behind us. Its also sad how both cultures are brainwashed through biased education on how "barbaric and uncivilized" the opposing side was throughout history. I'm glad, however, of the important relationships developing between Greece and Turkey in the present time.
gothicform
10-26-2002, 02:08
i like the english best too... longbowmen trained in wales plus billmen are lethal. i sit the longbowmen on the top of a hill and have lines of billmen in front. the enemy loses 300 of his men before he even reaches my front lines because of the amount of longbowmen i have, the rest is just a case of mopping up.
Quote Originally posted by turken00:
I completely agree with you... Savagery is a part of the nature of human beings. I also cannot think of a single empire in history which has not committed atrocities. I just regret the fact that some Greeks have a twisted view of the Ottoman Empire due to sufferings of their family. I don't blame them, but I find it absurd to judge an empire or nation due to personal feelings. I had relatives die in the Turkish Independence War fighting against Greeks, yet I hold no grudge against them. Greeks and Turks have fought against each other all throughout history yet that is hopefully all behind us. Its also sad how both cultures are brainwashed through biased education on how "barbaric and uncivilized" the opposing side was throughout history. I'm glad, however, of the important relationships developing between Greece and Turkey in the present time.
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And can believe that the first historical conduct of Greeks and Turks was that of an alliance?
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