View Full Version : japanese are made, europe and middle east is Ok. Time to merge them up
Dark_Magician
10-24-2002, 19:10
Yeah, next should be "world strategy". You really have to make only chinese and indians with their fancy elephants and stuff (you already made mongols) and place it on a huge map http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif). Don't bother with americas, eurasia and northern africa would suffice
That would be quite cool. Unwieldy and far too big, but very cool. I'd love to take the Qin legions and rampage through Central Asia and have a little head-to-head with the Roman Republic. Fun!
starkhorn
10-24-2002, 19:21
That would be cool....although I would love to stay in Europe but go back a thousand years of so.
Back to around 270BC when the Romans had only conquered Italy.
I would love to try to re-create the Roman Empire or be Hannibal and bring my elephants over the Alpes to crush the Roman Imperialistic ambitions.....Or be a Selucid Emperor and attack Rome from the East etc,etc
You get the idea, i.e. Roman Total War
MonkeyMan
10-24-2002, 19:24
i think you should create a mod that dumps japan in the atlantic coast off spain and ireland and have a MTW STW battle for supremacy.
Dark_Magician
10-24-2002, 19:35
No, I thought of World of years 1000-1400. Cause there're units and stuff.
I just get mad when I see a map with edges just plain cut. Why can I invade Spain with Polish when I cannot invade Iran with turks?
This is for some expansion, of course, but as people get used to MTW such talks will start to appear more and more...
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the americas, btw, were discovered in 1492, by the europeans, at least.
i've always wondered what would happen should an army of samurai and whatnot meet an army of knights. would the japs win? or the europeans? or would we all sit down, have a cup of tea and be friends?
smap1024
10-24-2002, 23:51
need a genius to tie up europa universalis's world map and the MTW real-time battle engine.
then a fully adaptable unit program to allow players to create customable units out of scratch
neverwinter nights style - total war. like u know. hee hee, be awesome then
solypsist
10-25-2002, 00:04
jesus, currently it takes a year for a boat to go from the English Channel to the North Sea, I can only imagine how long it would take to go around the cape of Africa.....
Galestrum
10-25-2002, 00:05
yes a great immersive diplomacy + the tactical battle of MTW + great AI + more immersion + a few more things = great game
Coeur De Lion
10-25-2002, 00:24
i can see it now Roman Totalwar it has to be made i love roman history and roman totalwar well it be a charm http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Coeur De Lion
trader/warrior
10-25-2002, 00:27
Quote Originally posted by Galestrum:
yes a great immersive diplomacy + the tactical battle of MTW + great AI + more immersion + a few more things = great game[/QUOTE]
actually that would be the ultimate game
just being able to customize crests, unit look/color a bit or your generals' names would add a lot. It's just fluff, but it would be cool.
muffinman14
10-25-2002, 03:50
if there was a roman total war how many units would there be?
deejayvee
10-25-2002, 06:17
Mongol Total War!!!
Niccolomachiavelli
10-25-2002, 06:35
Samurai vs knights. Might work out better than you think. They would stand across from eachother shouting out their respective accomplishments.
But seriously, samurai armor has the advantage of absorbing shock, whereas knight armou is more for deflection or stopping power. So the samurais might be able to take a lance to the chest and survive...maybe. Unfortunetaly methinks the katana would have no way of bothering a knight.
Quote Originally posted by Kroney:
i've always wondered what would happen should an army of samurai and whatnot meet an army of knights. would the japs win? or the europeans? or would we all sit down, have a cup of tea and be friends?[/QUOTE]
go here:
http://www.thehaca.com/essays/knightvs.htm
Orda Khan
10-25-2002, 07:02
Quote Originally posted by deejayvee:
Mongol Total War!!![/QUOTE]
You read my mind http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
......Orda
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Rosacrux
10-25-2002, 13:06
Neanderthal: Total Bore! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Actualy a Emperor : Total War would be great.
Starting from 427BC to 104AD. The map would be that of mediteraneum sea including:
Ibiric Penis.,Italy,Balcans,Middle East and Asia Minor,Northen Africa and the civs would be Romans,Greeks,Persians,Egyptians,Carthageneans,Gauls,Spaniards,Barbarians(Rebels).
Rosacrux
10-25-2002, 13:15
Yeah, but imagine the Neanderthal one: The tribes of Ugh, Blargh, Spiff, Buragh, Gargh and Arrrrrgh shall duke it out to the bitter end, in the plains of prehistoric Europe, with their great Hairy Men At Clubs and their Longbonemen, not to mention the awesome Neanderthal infantry and the Stickmen. Oh, wouldn't that be absolute bore? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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LOL LOL!
It would better be Neanderthal, Cro Manion,Australopithicus,Homo Sapiens, Homo Sapiens Sapiens and t he Hojo clan.
Rosacrux
10-25-2002, 13:39
That should be in for the expansion... Neanderthal: Total bore - The Sapiens challenge...
but I think the Hojo could be incorporated in the standard game (horde and all) and also the Elmoheads... there is a nice image of the Elmohead Urban Militia over at the MODing forum... I think I find their special attributes really... special. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
thanks shorty, that was interesting
Durendal
10-25-2002, 15:10
If you have ever played Empire Earth there is pre-historic and stone-aged fighting. There's just someting very fun about ordering an army of grunting brutes with clubs backed up by your elite rock-thrower infantry to wipe out your enemys band of primitive spear-guys. Then you send in even more enourmous guys holding tree-trunks to break his huts down. Ugg Ugg!
Pellinor
10-25-2002, 16:07
On Samurai vs Knights:
It would be interesting, IMO. BOth start off with the sword as their initial weapon, which is great for cutting flesh but easily stopped by mail or other armour. They then move to spears for killing each other, with a sword for peasants or as a last resort.
IMO, though, the Kights took the armour a bit further than the Samurai did, and therefore also took the weaponry that bit further. We then end up with the Samurai being light infantry/cavalry compared to the heavy Knights - Knights will win man to man, as the Samurai have trouble getting through their armour, but get outmanoeuvred by the Samurai.
Except of course that, if we allow each to have a balanced army, the Knights have the option of heavier troops for which the Samurai have no equivalent, whilst still having access to lighter troops to counter the Japanese manoeuvrability. My money's on the Knights (assuming equal leaders and tactical ability).
Stefan the Berserker
10-25-2002, 16:38
CHA-KHAN: Total War!!!
Easy thread to get this! Whole Asia is on the map, whole Europe and north Africa is on the Map. Then it must be as detailed as MTW, so minimum Requirement again go higher...
Based on MTW this game should provide all: Western Countries, Asian Countries, Arab Coutries and Neutral Countries... Whoa! Massive Game!
Medieval: The Middlekingdom
Hmmm... But Asia add-on for MTW would also work or not? Be Chi-Yu, be Tokugawa, be Gengis Khan!
I mean: Give a new Map, give new Sprites, new Sounds. Through modding or simple skirmish/Internet-play Knights and Samurai can fight each other!
Niccolomachiavelli
10-26-2002, 10:18
Quote Originally posted by Niccolomachiavelli:
Samurai vs knights. Might work out better than you think. They would stand across from eachother shouting out their respective accomplishments.
But seriously, samurai armor has the advantage of absorbing shock, whereas knight armou is more for deflection or stopping power. So the samurais might be able to take a lance to the chest and survive...maybe. Unfortunetaly methinks the katana would have no way of bothering a knight.[/QUOTE]
From the page, "It was intended primarily to be used by and against similarly equipped swordsmen and was well-designed to absorb and lessen the tremendous cutting capacity of Japanese swords. It was durable, effective, and provided for ample movement.
Medieval European armor was designed more to deflect strikes and absorb blows.
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Man, I hit that one right on the head. Goes to show you that pulling a theory out of your ear isnt always a bad idea.
Ok... Now put your self in the shoes of a Samurai. An unknown sight a fully armored European Knight approaches you, weapon drawn. You draw your own Katana... as the knight takes a swing at you with his claymore you parry his blow and make a clean slice at his armor, relatively no damage to his armor. The long Katana blade is very sharp but designed for slicing, not for penetrating heavy metal armor. If your wits are with you, you pull secondary weapon the shorter blade or even a Tanto blade (smaller dagger like version of the Katana) the blade is short enough to with stand a direct thrust into the knightâs armor, able to puncture the armor. Now the Samurai has a chance, but the outcome is still undecided. But at least the Samurai has a fighting chance.
Then I just take out my Machine gun and finsih them both off. Have a beer and watch sunday Night Football.
Have a nice night.
by just thinking of it makes me shiver with excitement....but will it come true..
If CA really comes up with such a big map....then definitely it will have to brush up its diplomacy and strategic play....
Winevil
Veiny Eyeball
10-26-2002, 18:45
Lol, I love that scene from Indiana Jones where Ford just shoots the swordsman. Classic.
Boromir0101
10-27-2002, 00:01
Quote Originally posted by Rnold:
the americas, btw, were discovered in 1492, by the europeans, at least.[/QUOTE]
not realy Rnold there were vikings here before columbus, and Irish Monks among others most likely
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Richard the Slayer
10-27-2002, 00:23
World Map Total War? *cringing at thought*
Richard the Slayer
10-27-2002, 00:58
Quote Originally posted by MonkeyMan:
i think you should create a mod that dumps japan in the atlantic coast off spain and ireland and have a MTW STW battle for supremacy.[/QUOTE]
Yea you could also have a mod with big red dragons and goblin creatures.
Katasaki Hirojima
10-27-2002, 15:53
Argh..about the Knights vs the Samurai..There is a huge differance between japanese Armour and weapons and Europeans....the Japanese had steel weapons loooong before the europeans did.
Their Katanas would slice right through a european broadsword. The Katana is one of THE finest blades ever crafted for a warrior. Their armour is actually decent as well. It allows them to move around and move quickly while still proveideing very good protection. This is good because they use their Katana to block and deflect sword blows, whereas European swords are often to weak to be used in such a manner until much later into the early renaisance. Well, they were used to parry and block, but they broke eventually. In a one-on-one fight this wouldn't be a problem. In a all out war the durability of the Katana would be usefull, even if the spear would see most of the action.
Also, a katana likeany sword still would have trouble with full armour, just because it has no weight to peirce it. Then again, most Samurai went into battle with a SPEAR and two swords...Or a Bow and two swords, ect. Plus the discipline to place their Yari and hold against the cavalry. Would make them like the very first swiss pikemen clones. *L*
After thinking about it a bit, I decided that, despite the swords strength, it might come down to other weapons to beat the knight. After all, that armour is just tough to beat with ANYTHING. It'd take a spear or..*L* a Arrow. If I had to fight a dismounted knight I'd definately choose to use a bow and sword. If he has a sheild I'll aim for whatevers exposed. I'v used bows before and they can be very accurate at closing ranges. Its a tough call, thinking about it...
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Quote Arrrrrgh[/QUOTE]
They must have been my ancestors http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
The fine Japanese steel was not limited to Katanas, but (at least the better versions of) the other Japanese weapons used it too.
What I'd like to see is Naginata vs Halberd/Poleaxe/Bill(roughly the same thing)
Anyone notice that the Elves in LOTR use short Naginatas?
Whoa I just had an awesome idea (inspired by the closed thread Post Nuclear:Total War.
How about 1984:Total War the Bush administrations' fabled War Forever actually comes from the book 1984 by George Orwell and refers to the constant to-and-fro war between Oceanea, Eurasia and Eastasia over about a third of the globe...
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Stefan the Berserker
10-27-2002, 17:12
To be secific:
Euro Steel was invented by both, Romans and Germanics at the end of acient. The simple Thing is that Asian Cultures had no fall out of Acient Tech in their "Middleages", through the Tech advance they could make things we did not knew.
Germanics invented damasizeing, sharpening and harding of Steel. For Romans this was luxery, weapons were maufactured and that was it... Also Knights thought they needed thick plates, the thought that it must be HARD did not come to their minds. If that silly Knights had followed the rules of germanic Edelings anymore they would have been much stronger... and like the Samurai they would have surrvived after Muskets came!!!
Quote Originally posted by Katasaki Hirojima:
Their Katanas would slice right through a european broadsword.
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That's completely wrong. While its true that a finely made katana is an amazing sword, it couldn't simply cut through another sword in someone's hand!
First of all, Europeans also had swords with a soft iron core and a hard, high carbon steel edge. Secondly, it's not so easy to break someone else's sword with your sword. The wrist doesn't give that much resistance (you'd just knock the sword out of the way), and any properly made European blade should flex easily under that much force.
-Shorty
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Quote Originally posted by Shorty:
That's completely wrong. While its true that a finely made katana is an amazing sword, it couldn't simply cut through another (well made)sword in someone's hand!
First of all, Europeans also had swords with a soft iron core and a hard, high carbon steel edge. Secondly, it's not so easy to break someone else's sword with your sword. The wrist doesn't give that much resistance (you'd just knock the sword out of the way), and any properly made European blade should flex easily under that much force.
Although it's true that swords do break, so will any piece of metal after that much use. In fact, on katanas with shorter points, they had a problem with the core steel becoming exposed if the point broke off, so they had to add on a makeshift point instead of forming a new one...
-Shorty
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*ack.. thought I hit the edit button*
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