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the makurian addresses the ayyabid without respect with rude gestures and mannorisms...
if our lands were so worthless, then why do your peoples want trade with us? why do they crave the ivory, gold and dare i say it, slaves that only we have provided? our lands are far from worthless, unlike your opinion, trade with your faction would be a mistake, any goods we have must be exchanged with trustworthy factions, we dont trust you, and your calass and brash remarks arent helping either, any military you say is for defense is with the same principles as our own people, that you think we dont have the same motives is beyond us, and as for allaince? that was never offered! dont act like we declined an allaince that was never even placed to begin with, your desire for trade and less desire for peace was how are suspision for you began, i didnt come here for your insults, so from this moment on ward i suggest mindless bickering be put to a halt, every nation is free to act however they like, but it shouldnt mean making our convosations turn into the parlay of animals
phonicsmonkey
08-18-2008, 04:19
the makurian addresses the ayyabid without respect with rude gestures and mannorisms...
if our lands were so worthless, then why do your peoples want trade with us? why do they crave the ivory, gold and dare i say it, slaves that only we have provided? our lands are far from worthless, unlike your opinion, trade with your faction would be a mistake, any goods we have must be exchanged with trustworthy factions, we dont trust you, and your calass and brash remarks arent helping either, any military you say is for defense is with the same principles as our own people, that you think we dont have the same motives is beyond us, and as for allaince? that was never offered! dont act like we declined an allaince that was never even placed to begin with, your desire for trade and less desire for peace was how are suspision for you began, i didnt come here for your insults, so from this moment on ward i suggest mindless bickering be put to a halt, every nation is free to act however they like, but it shouldnt mean making our convosations turn into the parlay of animals
OOC: the first thing I did in the game was offer an alliance to the KoJ. He declined, saying he had already offered an alliance to Makuria. I suggested a three-way alliance to both KoJ and Makurian players by pm, and received no response from either. Knowing that the Makurian player was absent, I even asked the KoJ player to let me know if he heard back from them on his offer of alliance. Nothing.
So, I concluded that KoJ and Makuria were planning to gang up on me, and forged alliances with other nations to protect myself.
Makuria refusing trade rights just seems to confirm this. Why wouldn't you want to trade with your neighbour, unless you are planning to attack them?
Askthepizzaguy
08-18-2008, 04:36
OOC-
Seems logical to me. I'd take that as evidence of hostility. Your response, KoJ?
IC-
If Jerusalem has designs on the Ayyubids, I cannot promise that Rome will offer you our assistance. This alliance is defensive in nature, and the security of Rome surpasses all other concerns.
I renew my calls for a defensive alliance between the Romans and the Ayyubids, even if all it ever does is cool tensions in the West and allow for a de-escalation of our military posture between the two great alliances. Such a pact would make a unilateral attack on your nation by any Western Coalition nation unlikely to receive Coalition support. Or at the very least, Roman support.
The Roman sits and waits for a response.
phonicsmonkey
08-18-2008, 06:03
Quttub rises again, his swollen eye presenting a monstrous appearance as it glows lamp red and oozes...
The Great Salahuddin is pleased to accept Rome's offer of a defensive alliance - may our two great states never wield cold steel against each other!
A diplomat will be dispatched to offer trade rights and an exchange of geographic knowledge at the first opportunity.
Askthepizzaguy
08-18-2008, 06:34
The more-polite-than-his-predecessor Roman ambassador notes Quttub's affliction and asks;
Would you care for a Roman doctor? I am aware that the science of medicine under Islamic government has taken great leaps forward, but there may yet be some western remedy for your condition, my wise old friend.
With the signing of an alliance between our peoples, I believe Rome, the Caliphate, and the Ayyubids have come together to ward off any possible potential conflict between our great alliances. Such is the way of peacemakers, the way of freedom-loving kings and sultans.
phonicsmonkey
08-18-2008, 09:13
A messenger boy runs into the chamber with a scroll for Quttub, who reads it as best he can with his pustulent eye and raises to address the emissary of King Baldwin.
Our border guards north of Damascus inform us that Prince Guy and his entire army are encamped at the border between our lands - at the same time another army of the Latins camps menacingly on the border between Kerak and Aqaba!
Is this the way the chivalrous King Baldwin announces his war on Egypt? Or are we to believe that these forces are simply 'taking in the scenery'?
These soldiers of the West are lucky indeed that their lives were not taken from them as their aggressive actions would merit...but the Great Salahuddin believes enough in peace to spare them while their leader explains their presence..
So Latin messenger, what is your answer?
The Great Imam sighs and speaks.
Due to this dire situation between the Kingdom of Jerusalem with mobilizing very large armies to the borders of striking of Ayyubid Settlements, and the Marukians being unknown, but military growing. I will be calling an army from Arabia to help bolster the defensives of a possible attack on the Ayyubid Empire from it's more hostile neighbors. The Trade Empire now set to help the Ayyubids in any way, This being said, We are moving more Military forces and the Northern Royal Navy toward the Red Sea.
The Great Trade Empire now Pulls back any offers it offered toward the Empire of Marukia. Seeing that they are refusing any help from the outside world, I have made my intentions clear that I was more interested in Ivory, and would trade it for goods that would help the African People, but I am just to be honest... Sick of trying to try to improve relations between the Trade Empire and the Marukian Empire,
The Trade Empire will be also stationing Both of the Royal Navies on the coastline with improved line of sight. We will be taking even the more that one of the lightest boat a Hostile act. Seeing that the Marukian Empire has an island colony now, But should not need no more, than one of the smallest ship to do so. If the Marukian Empire fails to listen to this warning now, and makes a Military Provoke, His ships will be sunk by a pre-emptive strike to counter a possible invasion, and all of his ports will be blockaided for /2 turns/. ...This also can include that the small ship has no larger military cargo than /4 units/.
The Great Imam coughed alittle...
Dear Quttub.. The Latin Diplomat left on his own will... I am fearing that Greed has taken the King Baldwin's path...
The Great Imam sighs and speaks.
Due to this dire situation between the Kingdom of Jerusalem with mobilizing very large armies to the borders of striking of Ayyubid Settlements, and the Marukians being unknown, but military growing. I will be calling an army from Arabia to help bolster the defensives of a possible attack on the Ayyubid Empire from it's more hostile neighbors. The Trade Empire now set to help the Ayyubids in any way, This being said, We are moving more Military forces and the Northern Royal Navy toward the Red Sea.
The Great Trade Empire now Pulls back any offers it offered toward the Empire of Marukia. Seeing that they are refusing any help from the outside world, I have made my intentions clear that I was more interested in Ivory, and would trade it for goods that would help the African People, but I am just to be honest... Sick of trying to try to improve relations between the Trade Empire and the Marukian Empire,
The Trade Empire will be also stationing Both of the Royal Navies on the coastline with improved line of sight. We will be taking even the more that one of the lightest boat a Hostile act. Seeing that the Marukian Empire has an island colony now, But should not need no more, than one of the smallest ship to do so. If the Marukian Empire fails to listen to this warning now, and makes a Military Provoke, His ships will be sunk by a pre-emptive strike to counter a possible invasion, and all of his ports will be blockaided for /2 turns/. ...This also can include that the small ship has no larger military cargo than /4 units/.
The Great Imam coughed alittle...
Dear Quttub.. The Latin Diplomat left on his own will... I am fearing that Greed has taken the King Baldwin's path...
you've truely gone mad quttab, talking to a person who isnt here!
we recieved no message of your offer of alliance egypt, your messages must have been lost somewhere down the line, Omani please shut up, this 'humble' imam of your nation has soon turned into a violent person threating his peaceful neighbours, yyou deny us armies when you have many yourselves? ive never heard such hippacritical jiberish, your 'trade empire' seems more like a barren expanse of desert to me, nothing attracts us to trade with you, however we did agree to trade at one point, which you have now soon reversed, showing the 'peaceful' imams want for war, our well, wont have to put up with you soon enough after your timely demise...
OOC:
Yeah, I pretty much made a point of leaving the meeting and not coming back. If anyone wants to talk to King Baldwin, they'll have do so through pm. For now, I'll answer a couple of questions, but this is the last time:
- About that 3-way alliance a looooong time ago, you asked me to tell you if Makuria responded. But they never did, and I kept expecting them to do so, so I forgot to pm you back, phonics. Too late for that now, though.
- Those stacks on the border are there for defense. Jerusalem is indeed allied to Makuria now, and if Oman and the Ayyubids decide to attack Makuria because of this dumb 'trading post' argument, my armies will be ready to retaliate. As long as my allies are at peace with you, I am at peace with you. :smile:
The Great Imam would slam his fist on the table, breathing abit hard after the insults.
This is Because you and your Marukian Emprie are Unpredictible!, We are Warning you about this, And if you do not follow our rules of peace then you will be asking for War! You have done Nothing!, Just eat my grapes, drink my wine... and waste our Time with Idiotic Demands, Your military continues to grow as We have lowered our military numbers down to try to see peaceful resolutions!, But Disbanding our Full military would be obsurd due to the fact that an Invasion Threat still lingers in your Military Controlled Trade. The Trade Ended when you Decided to attack the Trade Posts that you decided that your empire needed more!, and now when the Omani's empire responds, you Quickly hide behind people from far away lands, and now raise more armies on your next Conquest Targets! The Omani's Empire will not sit Idlely and watch you build a navy, but a large army on it, and sail it in the Red Sea or the Indian Ocean! You WILL follow these rules of Peace, I would ask of you to please listen to your allies, and stop Intensifying the Situation, and control your nation AND yourself.
The Imam would sigh and go back to being somewhat quiet.
I have spoken on what the Trade Empire will do, What will you do Marukian? Agree to this, and Hopefully our people can get a better relation, or you will go against the Words of me, Build a navy... and provoke a war...?
The Choice is yours Marukian, I would Advice you of the first.
The Imam would turn back to Quttab.
The Marukian Empire has Also declined of a Very generous offer of a Defensive alliance, The Terms were. Marukia and Omani will be in a defensive alliance, All Navel Forces from the RedSea would be pulled back for the Omanis, leaving the Marukian Emprie free of any threat of the Empire of Omani, The Marukian Empire would give back the small formor outpost of the Trade Empire back, And the Trade Empire would give them a Lump sum of 10,000. Ofcourse they Declined us, Only asking of Military Units to give to them. But what would they be using all of that Military Power if they were offered by both, The Empire and Ayyubid, and the Trade Empire, a Defensive Alliance, or even trade rights...?
Askthepizzaguy
08-19-2008, 00:59
The Roman diplomat rises, looks at the insane Omani host, and snarls in disgust.
It seems the Omans have no use for enlightened banter. I have been ever so patient with Oman, and my patience has run out.
When this meeting is held by a man who is not a barbarian bent on world conquest, perhaps Rome will send a delegation. Until such time, Rome has no more use for talk.
The Roman diplomat exits
the makurian stands up and prods the omani hard on the chest
ive truely had enough of your lies oman! you pester us in private, to terms which we were coming to terms to! then you sya we denied you? same as the allaince, you twist my words again! and there is NO sign of your factions lowering your military!, no after your evil banter we decine any offer with you! final! we are in a state of war infidel!
the makurian also leaves, before hand spits on the omans foot and pushes him to the ground, the guards chase after the makurian...
(this is gooooooooooooooood :laugh4:)
phonicsmonkey
08-19-2008, 05:30
Quttub rises. His eye seems to have improved somewhat, but he appears dizzy and unsteady on his feet.
Let a message be sent to the leaders of the West to record that the Makurian has declared war on Oman!
Exchanging harsh words, and even threats, is one thing, and hardly to be encouraged - but should the Makurians strike first the world can be in no doubt as to who is the aggressor.
I pray that this is merely hot air and he will not follow this up with an attack on our ally, for we should be obliged under the terms of our treaty with the Golden Crescent Confederacy to act in defence of Oman, despite our strong desire for peace with our African neighbours.
O unhappy day that brings such a calamity to these lands!
A small boy is sent scurrying from the hall to organise a swift rider to the lands of the western leaders.
(OOC: whom I hope are still lurking here, as I can't be bothered to pm everyone individually...)
The Marukian Diplomat after assaulting the Leader of the Omani's people physicly, would have only escaped through the doors, before being shot by two crossbow men stationed up above, and would be dragged and thrown into the port bay... ("The Sultan has killed men for lesser insults than that, Infidel!")
Ibn-Khaldun
08-19-2008, 15:18
The Abbasid Emissary sighs and says quietly..
Barbarians!
Messanger enters the room and gives a small note to the Abbasid Emissary..
After reading it through he raise from his seat and says..
I got a message from the Caliph.
There are some things he want the rest of the world to know.
First of all, the name of the Caliphate shall be from now on 'The Caliphate of An-Nasir' to honor our Great Caliph who managed to make our state great once again.
Secondly, the citizens of Edessa have renamed their city into 'Nasirabad' to honor our Great Caliph.
Thirdly, many of our diplomats have proposed diplomatic offers to many nations.
Also.. our forces have destroyed some rebels near the Seljuks borders and one of our army is going to destroy rebel army near Georgian borders very soon.
We also sent a diplomat and offered the deal that was talked about a long time ago to the Turks. Again.
We don't know what happened do our last proposal but we will make it again.
If the Turks have refused our offer then we would like to know why...
We also would like to find a way to make peace between our nations..
Dear brothers from Egypt.. I suggest you to take back your declaration of war..
We do not want to go to war because of some stupid little war in Africa..
phonicsmonkey
08-19-2008, 23:59
Quttub rises sharply to address the misunderstanding quickly before it gets out of hand.
Sirs, do not misunderstand us.
We have not declared war on Makuria.
We have simply pointed out that Makuria have declared war on Oman, and if they follow up this declaration with a military strike on our allies we would be obliged under the terms of our treaty with the Imamate to act in her defence.
Our treaty with Oman does not oblige us to join in wars which are started by Oman, and if Oman were to attack Makuria first we would remain neutral in that dispute.
I trust this is clear!
Egypt wants no war - and if any nation wishes to avoid war with Egypt they should refrain from attacking our neighbours and allies.
Ibn-Khaldun
08-20-2008, 09:26
Abbasid emissary looks at Quttub..
We apologize for this little misunderstanding..
If the things are like you said then it makes things much clearer..
We hope that other nations who are not present in this Council know this and wouldn't start any military actions just because they misinterpreted your last statement just like we did..
If someone want to start war then they should first declare it here and not to do it secretly by blocking our ports or attacking our cities like robbers and barbarians do..
A newer younger, average looking, Diplomat comes in, after the Great Imam was escorted out after the assault by the Marukian Diplomat. He picks up the notes that was written down and starts to read them all... then looks up.
I can see that this meeting has been very interesting, The west loves to talk... but then what about the east.. The Ghorid empire, The Ghazis, the Hindus, the Seljuk turks, and the islamic nation above the Seljuk turks and Ghazi empire...? also hearing that there are more than one diplomatic stations now...? Well, If that is the sad case, There might be a third one opening up for the islamic Nations of the East...
He started to chuckle alittle, trying to make the situation more relaxed.
Ramses II CP
08-20-2008, 16:12
The Islamic nations of the east intend only peace, of course, and have an agreement amongst each other for mutual defense if necessary. The Sindh also wish to make it known that they take their treaty commiments quite seriously, and any nation which is at war with a member of the Confederacy will rapidly find themselves also at war with the Sindh.
May Allah have mercy on them after that day.
:egypt:
A messenger boy runs in and gives the Omani's Diplomat a scroll and runs out, the Diplomat would start to read it.
Due to the Current Situation of the current Neighbors, and the Great Imam's health, One of the Greatest Generals of the Trade Empire, One from the Royal Family of the Omanis lands. has forceibly taken all control from the Great Imam with Military Force. The new leader will be addressed by.... "Sultan Meuzz-adin Al-Yaarobi" He has just came from the eastern coast of Africa, To be more exact, Zanzibar. Bringing in new brigade of African soldiers, and newly African Slaves. and Aceh, the Far away spice islands, It is the first in the very Far East to convert to Islam, and now having soldiers from Aceh coming to be employed by the Trade Empire, so forth..... The Trade Empire will no longer be called the Trade Empire, or Omanis, Instead the name changed by the New Sultan is the "Coastal Arabian Empire".
He wishes to speak with the Ghorid Empire privately.
The Omani's Diplomat stands up as a scroll has been brought to him.
News has reached the court as well, the Civil Revolt in the Omani's Empire has also triggered a Civil Revolt in Marukia!, it's Current government was over thrown with a Newer one!, He will send a Diplomat to this court, but... No one knows if he is to respect his former king's wishes, or go on his own...?
Ibn-Khaldun
08-28-2008, 22:17
Abbasid diplomat sighs and says quietly..
Who knows what can come out of that!
Ultra_Magnus
08-28-2008, 22:52
A boat has pulled up in the port flying the Makurian flag. The current diplomat looks nervously at it wondering who it could be
He has started to worry when he sees that it is not the royal messenger but a lowly court servant. He goes down to the docks to investigate these strange happenings
Diplo: What are you doing here Kyriakos? Where is my messenger?
Kyriakos: My Lord while you have been away from the kingdom a most glorious event has happened. The commoners and peasants have received word of your devious and treacherous dealings with the other nations. The denial of trade rights was the final straw, litteraly! They couldn't afford any more! As a result they have taken up arms against the king.
Diplo: Oh dear... I assume it was successfully dealt with? I suppose the messenger was killed and you are his replacement?
Kyriakos: Well I am a replacemant... Yours. The Great Revolt was successful the king has been forced to sign a treaty forcing him to listen to the people. And the first edict was to replace you!
The diplo sighs Ok then i was getting bored round here anyway. I will be expecting a full pension and a cushy job within the palace.
Kyriakos : LOL for your own safety the king has decided that you can never set foot on Makurian soil again. Pulls out a dagger:duel:The diplo falls down stabbed through the heartnoooo i was just following orders *cough splutter EUHGHG:skull:
Kyriakos enters the great assembly
Dear fellows, diplomats from around the world,
I have come here representing a new regime. I would first like to offer trade rights with the omani and ayyubids. I would also like to request a 2 turn ceasefire to sort out the mess the king has gotten the country into.
Untill next time
Ultra_Magnus
08-28-2008, 23:09
It has come to the attention of Kyriakos that the Makruian diplomat was in fact already dead. He now wonders who it was he actually stabbed??
The Omani's Diplomat would raise a brow.
So... does that mean you withdrawl the Declared war that your former king has placed upon the Omani Arabian Empire...?
(OOC: Nice little intro, laughed alittle, but yeah, try to not put any more action into this house!, it's for diplomats! lol!)
phonicsmonkey
08-28-2008, 23:54
Quttub rises with a joyful expression on his face. His eye is much improved, but he has an enormous boil on the end of his nose which seems ready to explode at any instant.
The Great Salahuddin will be pleased indeed to hear of this change of heart from the Makurians!
I am delighted to accept the offer of trade rights on his behalf, and extend our warmest wishes of friendship towards our African neighbours!
Askthepizzaguy
08-29-2008, 00:46
It is the great wish of the Roman Empire that the Ayyubids, Makurians, and Omani people arrive at a permanent peace treaty, possibly a defensive alliance to keep the region secure.
Makurian delegate;
As you may know the Omani government has been overthrown, but the previous leaders did in fact declare a state of hostilities between your nations, and Rome unilaterally and without condition offered you aid and assistance. (this has been entered into the public record)
Not only that, the entire Western Coalition was prepared to mobilize on your behalf.
You have friends and allies in the Western Coalition, and should you choose to leave our great alliance, that is your prerogative. If peace and friendship can be made between you and your neighbors, Rome will be able to focus on more local matters anyway. Know that Rome will be your friend for all time.
You may request to leave the alliance without offending the Roman people. Until we hear such a request, may we assume you are still our allies?
Ramses II CP
08-29-2008, 16:04
The emissary of the Sindh enters the chamber with a solemn look and addresses the representatives.
I bear ill news today gentlemen, war has broken out. My Malik, on receiving a report from agents within the Rajput nation, determined that there was no other sensible course than to strike first, and strike hard. The evidence of Rajput aggression was the build-up of their fleet on our border, and the gathering of mercenary elephants at the city of Kutch. In response the Malik drew up our own fleet to drive away the Rajput one, and, with the aid of certain Sindh patriots living under Rajput rule, captured the city of Kutch and put it's garrison to the sword.
The fleet then moved on to blockade the port at Somnath. The Rajput city of Mumbai also lies under siege.
These last two actions should serve as a warning to the Rajputs, we know your treacherous Hindu ways and we will not stand idly by while you plot our destruction. Throw yourselves on our mercy and your people may yet be spared! Continue on the path of war and you will join your gods and be forgotten by history!
The Sindh emissary then moves to sit with the man from Ghor.
:egypt:
This is the one of thE most unexpected turns! I would of thought the Ghorid Empire would have declared war first!, But it is the Sindh!?
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2008, 00:51
The Roman diplomat would like to express his congratulations to the Sindh delegate for successfully thwarting an invasion before it had begun.
Perhaps the Hindus would like to plead their case, and extend a hand of peace now?
I wish that they could, but they Refused to make ANY kind of diplomatic attempts with the meeting, just grow in force.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2008, 04:36
Chaotix is no longer KoJ, but now the small nation of the Whales, due to the fact that he mooches off my thread. >=O
The Roman ambassador stands up and bellows with red-faced fury;
The Imam of Oman is no Muslim! This attack on the nation of Jerusalem will not go unpunished! I summon the Evil ones from the north, and the demonic ones from the south! All rise and shout your allegiance to Rome!
Tremble in fear, Omani man, for thou hast enraged the Gods with your evil witchcraft, turning the nation of Jerusalem into a bunch of whales. But little did you know, I have imaginary powers as well! Now taste the wrath of my insane rantings!
"We the Evil Ones of the North, declare unending and eternal war against the hated Omans. We shall ride our icebergs down from the Northern Pole and bring the hellish storm of flaming Polar Bear poo down upon the wretched ones!"
"We the Evil Ones of the South, do hereby also join in the war against the hated Omans. We shall ride our Manatees of Destruction from the deepest part of the Antarctic, and arrive on the shores of the Arabian peninsula to do battle with the feeble ones!
"We the Indifferent Ones of the Slightly Southwest are required to join in with whatever the Romans ask us to do. Hail Caesar and stuff. We might take our bananapult and fling dead Rhinos, half eaten by flies and maggots, against you. You know, if we decide to."
"We the LUDICROUSLY INSANE people of Nebulon 4 have arrived to destroy not only your feeble human culture, but erase mankind from all history! HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHH!!!!! Fire the Freem Cannon!!!"
Pkeew, pkeewww!
"KILL THE HUMANS, EAT THEIR BRAAAAAAIIIINS!!!"
Roman ambassador-
Oh, yes, we did just go there. I have activated Rome's alliance with the Evil Polar Bear faction, who will use their trebuchets made of frozen arctic trees to launch massive crates filled with Polar Bear Poo, set ablaze, directly on top of your faction leader! I have activated Rome's alliance with the Evil Antarctic Penguinate to launch amphibious attacks on you from the sea, as Penguins riding Manatees with laser cannons attached to their frickin heads will fry your people from a distance, and deprive them all of their juicy, juicy fish.
I have activated Rome's alliance with the Apathetic Giraffe Tribes of the African Savannah, and now you will taste Fly-infested Rhinos being launched at a hundred miles per hour from the dreaded Bananapult!!! Unless of course, they don't feel like it.
I have also activated Rome's alliance with the Ludicrously Insane people of Nebulon 4! Yes, now we will all die under their HORRIBLY TYRANNICAL RULE! THEY WILL DESTROY US ALL!!!
______________________
I do these things in the name of the Lord, the King and the Queen, and most especially the Jack. All bow in solemn respect for the Jack.
Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol so on so forth
(in character now...)
A kypchak man falls through the roof of the building onto the romans head, the table clapses and many grapes and drinks are flung into peoples faces, the kypchak gets up and starts ravaging the food and picking it off of people faces...
(Back to real diplomacy now. =p)
Ramses II CP
09-23-2008, 17:16
The Sindh emissary rises to make an announcement,
With no peace deal on the table my Lord saw no choice but to proceed with the war against the Rajputs. On that front we wish to announce the fall of Mumbai and Somnath, and the besiegement of Ajmer. Defenses at these settlements were slight, as were losses for the Sindh army. Annihilavara was not taken under siege per the request of the noble Omani diplomat, Allah willing they will soon place their own siege of that city.
I also wish to announce that several Sindh generals have taken up the cause of the jihad alongisde their Muslim brothers. May Allah most merciful have pity on the heathens and gather up their children in his hands!
(OOC: I was quite surprised to find a jihad on since there was no announcement! I've never had a jihad in BC so I don't know how they work. Should be interesting.)
:egypt:
the kypchak (who had now a blue hood and looked more like a roman spy) began to speak, i dont understand, no ones said a word for a month, were our mouths unable to open, let us discuss again nations from around the globe!:juggle2:
decimator22
09-29-2008, 23:53
There is a new Goverment in Turkey and we wish to tell our allies all over the world, that we will stay allied and wish peace and properity for all :). Whoever made an alliance with the former ruler I suggest you send me message (a pm, or mail) telling me what was the treaty made with my preccesor. I ask you not to break the allaince as I didn't now the rules and might have made some moves against your former ones, but all we wish is to mantain A good bond, and to know the rulers of the world.
phonicsmonkey
09-30-2008, 02:28
Quttub the Ayyubid ambassador rises to address the Turkish delegate. His skin is pale and wan with a yellow tinge, and his breathing is shallow as he supports his weight by resting a hand on the table in front of him.
The Great Salahuddin welcomes the new Turkish emissary!
Our nations were once allied through the Golden Crescent Confederacy (which also includes the Abbasid Caliphate, the Imamate of Oman and the Malikate of Sindh), until a previous leader of your nation decided to turn his back on his Islamic brothers and instead join forces with the infidel Romans and Crusaders.
We would like to extend the offer of renewed friendship and alliance to the new Turkish Sultan, should he wish to reconsider the actions of his predecessor and rejoin the Golden Crescent Confederacy.
He may wish to do this in preparation for the accession of a new Basileous at Constantinople - who knows whether this new ruler might decide to return to an aggressive policy against the Turks of Rum?
In contrast to the Arab's statement, I would ask that you remain in our Western Alliance that is already established. The previous Turkish ruler did not turn his back on the Golden Crescent without a reason, I assure you. The Western Alliance consists of nations that surround yours on all borders, and thus remaining inside it would assure you nearly flawless defense of your empire. On the other hand, the Golden Crescent is wide-spread, and without the assistance of each other, they would easily fall to a full scale attack. Thus it is in your best interests to remain allied to us. I thank you for listening to my case.
The diplomat of Jerusalem sits down.
I don't even know where the Constantinople thread went, so I'm just going to post here on the rare occasion I have something to say.
phonicsmonkey
09-30-2008, 06:08
Quttub turns to the Latin emissary with a quizzical look on his sickly face.
Is the Crusader King now given to threats in order to secure his alliances?
'Join us, we surround you, wouldn't it be terrible if you were to have an accident?'
Should the words of such a man be trusted? A man who would ignore the Great Salahuddin's peaceful approaches and plot secretly to invade his lands?
And how is the Turk to be assured of the faithfulness of his neighbour the Roman, if the identity and policy of the Basileous is as yet unknown?
We can only hope that the Turkish Sultan will stand up to such bullying and refuse to be cowed!
Quttub turns to the Latin emissary with a quizzical look on his sickly face.
Is the Crusader King now given to threats in order to secure his alliances?
'Join us, we surround you, wouldn't it be terrible if you were to have an accident?'
Should the words of such a man be trusted? A man who would ignore the Great Salahuddin's peaceful approaches and plot secretly to invade his lands?
And how is the Turk to be assured of the faithfulness of his neighbour the Roman, if the identity and policy of the Basileous is as yet unknown?
We can only hope that the Turkish Sultan will stand up to such bullying and refuse to be cowed!
oh do shut up you snivelling fool, the turks are already are allies, nothing would of been said if you didnt feel the need to expect them to betray us, the ERE are most pleased with you my turks friends, and your previous ruler was close to my khan, we should unite once more, under the western allaince to join makuria, Eastern Roman Empire, georgia, armenia, kingdom of jerusalem, the great seljuks and our peoples, the kypchaks to raise a defense against those infidels to our eastern borders, the 'caliph' whos arrogance has truely offended cilvilized folk, while they greedyily ask other nation to give them settlements, these cunning abbasids want turkish, sind and seljuk regions! the omans, whos greed and trade ambition wont let them stop at anything, as they threaten to attack the makurians and underhandedly conspire against the indians, and finally the egypts, that snivelling fool who believes our friends should be submitted to slave trade! and brings vast armies to cilvilzed borders! well the western coalation our proud allies with your peoples, i hope you continue this, or you will really ruin our plans of a more peaceful society (decimator, the last turkish guy was on the westerncoalation, iask you stay in it to else our plans will be obliterated, to many people come and go, i think it would be harsh to leave our coalation now at such a crucial time)
Come now, we both know that I was in no way threatening the Turkish Sultan. I was merely stating the reasons why it would be advantageous to side with the Western Alliance as opposed to the Golden Crescent. These reasons:
Firstly, allying with us would secure nearly all of the Turks' borders.
Secondly, we are already allied, and there may not be a reason to break the alliance anyway.
Thirdly and most importantly, the Western Alliance and Golden Crescent, while not openly at war, are on opposite sides of a conflict. This is easy to see. If one member of the Golden Crescent, for example Oman, were to start a war with, say, Makuria, a situation that seemed not so unlikely just a few years ago, the other members of both alliances may be involved, causing a huge war across the Middle East. Assuming the Turks were on the side of the Golden Crescent, even if they tried to remain neutral, they would be under immense pressure to join the war against us. In that case, they would indeed be surrounded by enemies on all sides, and would stand little chance against a joint attack between Rome, Armenia, and Georgia. This is all hypothetical, of course, and Jerusalem in particular hopes a huge conflict like this can be prevented.
Merlox123
09-30-2008, 20:43
The Omani's Diplomat would stand up and adress the turk.
Now I must say, This council is of Peace, The Turkish People can choose what ever allies he wishes, Even if it is both of our Alliances, The Omani's Arabian Trade Empuire is ofcourse willing to accept an alliance, though not being that much of support, but more of a Symbolic Treaty.
To note that first of all, The Western Colition Failed to react, as we speak, the Georgian and Seljuk Turks are back at war again, a peace that none of us thought would last long, So far None of the Golden Crescent Confederation has responded due to the fact that the Seljuk launched the attack, and second, the Western Colition seems to have abandoned the Georgians.
The Omani's Arabian Trade Empire refuses to aid to any, As the Jihad had called all noble muslims to fight the Infidel Hindu nation that borders the Ghorid Empire, and has also sent troups to help protect our Allies the Sindhs from a possible attack from the Much larger Hindu Tribe.
Most of the Western Colition as you see it, Talks of Wars that do not exist, And hopefully will not exist, Nor shall the Turks be forced to allies with such nations, just due to the fact that they surround him, The Golden Crescent Confederation is not a large and Corrupt alliance, We give the choice of our Brother's a chance to protect one from another, If the Western Colition was thinking of making such wars between the nations even possible, I can assure you that The Islam countries would rally to the Caliph's Side, As they are busy warring with different people, but for the same Cause.
A nation invading one nation is one thing, It is how Empires form, It is how our countries formed, Though, When you add the allainces this big, You are talking about not only simple conquest any more, But a Whole World at War, and we must make sure that that never happens, Or much life will be consumed, Culture Destroyed, For what? What if one side does win this impossible war that we hope never happen?, Will They call it the perfect world? No, It is not how Human Nature Works, Once one alliance is gone, They will turn against eachother, Backstabbing one another. That is Why the Omani's Arabian Trade Empire Refuses to aid any country that has very little or no interest with us, Conquest is personal buisness.
For once, I agree with nearly everything you have said, Oman. However, your statement that none of the Western Alliance has assisted Georgia yet is somewhat underhanded. For one, Georgia is further away from the rest of the Alliance, a distance that only the Turks, who are recently recovered after a coup, or perhaps the Kypchaks, could cover since the war recently started. However, the rest of us certainly plan to assist Georgia, if not militarily then economically.
The Omani's Diplomat would stand up and adress the turk.
Now I must say, This council is of Peace, The Turkish People can choose what ever allies he wishes, Even if it is both of our Alliances, The Omani's Arabian Trade Empuire is ofcourse willing to accept an alliance, though not being that much of support, but more of a Symbolic Treaty.
To note that first of all, The Western Colition Failed to react, as we speak, the Georgian and Seljuk Turks are back at war again, a peace that none of us thought would last long, So far None of the Golden Crescent Confederation has responded due to the fact that the Seljuk launched the attack, and second, the Western Colition seems to have abandoned the Georgians.
The Omani's Arabian Trade Empire refuses to aid to any, As the Jihad had called all noble muslims to fight the Infidel Hindu nation that borders the Ghorid Empire, and has also sent troups to help protect our Allies the Sindhs from a possible attack from the Much larger Hindu Tribe.
Most of the Western Colition as you see it, Talks of Wars that do not exist, And hopefully will not exist, Nor shall the Turks be forced to allies with such nations, just due to the fact that they surround him, The Golden Crescent Confederation is not a large and Corrupt alliance, We give the choice of our Brother's a chance to protect one from another, If the Western Colition was thinking of making such wars between the nations even possible, I can assure you that The Islam countries would rally to the Caliph's Side, As they are busy warring with different people, but for the same Cause.
A nation invading one nation is one thing, It is how Empires form, It is how our countries formed, Though, When you add the allainces this big, You are talking about not only simple conquest any more, But a Whole World at War, and we must make sure that that never happens, Or much life will be consumed, Culture Destroyed, For what? What if one side does win this impossible war that we hope never happen?, Will They call it the perfect world? No, It is not how Human Nature Works, Once one alliance is gone, They will turn against eachother, Backstabbing one another. That is Why the Omani's Arabian Trade Empire Refuses to aid any country that has very little or no interest with us, Conquest is personal buisness.
you act to give the turks a choice in there allies, then end in a fashion saying ally with the golden crescent, you hipacrite, just speak your real views instead of supressing them for some fake friendship, and gets worse when you say we've took no notice of georgia, unless your dubious peoples have spies in his lands, ones that tell you false infomation, then you'd no that two massive armies patrol georgian territory, one of which plans to aid them lest a war erupt, your futile comment is beyond me! then somewhere along your jiberish i hear you say you refuse to aid anyone, then say we wont help georgia, when we are as we speak? how far above me and the coalition do you think you are? because from where i see it your nothing, you dont even, and never did aim for peace, and this is the result!
Merlox123
10-02-2008, 19:03
The Omani's Diplomat face palms at the barbarian.
The Turks have all control of who they ally with, And as a speaker of ours, we offered, You though forced.
I also can tell that you are bluffing about the armies, Their would be almost no reason why the Khan's armies would be inside of Georgia when your area is still very rebellous, Either you are bluffing, attempting to scare me which has no effect as the Trade Empire is not engaged in this war... Or your khan is not sane any more and plans to invade a land so far away, that even you're Fake Pagan Gods that every one forgot about will laugh at you, watch and your empire to wither away if that is what you choose. Either way, We do not support this war due to the fact that Even though the Georgian people are at war with Brother Islamic People, and Allied to... People like you..., They still show respect at all times, unlike you. Also that they are defending in this war. I do wish Georgia swift luck, As they are one of the more understanding countries. We again, Wish Georgia a hopeful outcome, that we are against the war from us, Though, I can not speak for the other Islam Nations.
For the Crusader States, I now understand about that, And I ask for you to forgive myself and my kingdom for saying that the Crusader States lacked Curage and Honor of keeping their word to help a nation in aid. It may be easy for the Trade Empire to forget that it is very easy for troops to be sent on boats to assisted lands, though, By land, It may take a very long time, We appologies if We have dis-honored the Crusader States, We ment it not. May you assist in Georgia in any way. May your gods be with you friends,
The Noble Turk Diplomat, Tell you're Sultan that either what you do, Ally with the west, Ally with the East, Ally with both, The Sultan knows what is best for his Empire and his people.
The Omani's Diplomat would bow at the Turkish one, Then the Jerusalem One, Sitting down obviously ignoring the barbarian.
decimator22
10-02-2008, 23:11
A messenger enter and gives a scroll to the turkish diplomat.
The diplomat reads it, and stands up, leaving his cup of wine in the seat.
Friends and people of thsi council, after great deliberation my nation has decided to mantain its western allaince and not be part of the golden crescent allaince. We wish to be at peace and have trade rights with everyone. Omani diplomat you made rather good points but we will keep with the desicion that our ex-tyrant made. To show our pledge of allaince we are going to support Georgia against the seljuk sultanate.
The turkish diplomat bows down to the golden crescetn diplomat, and goes greate the western allaince diplomats and then seats down taking a little slurp of wine.
Ibn-Khaldun
10-02-2008, 23:40
The Abbasid emissary, after being quiet for too long, speaks..
So be it.. So be it..
This war between Seljuks and Georgians have to end. If ANYONE in the Western Coalition would help the Georgians militarily then my masters, the Almighty Caliphs, forces will help the Seljuks as well! We do not want war near our borders! This should be solved between those two diplomatically!
I say this again... If ANYONE will help the Georgians militarily the Abbasid forces will march against Georgians. So Kypchaks.. do you really want to play with the lives of another nation? Do you really want to bring war to your 'Ally'?
Emissary sighs and takes his seat again...
Merlox123
10-02-2008, 23:52
The Omani's eyes open as he hears the Caliph's Emissary
...Now men, Let us all calm down, There must be some way how to conclude that their will be peace between the western alliance georgia, and then Golden Confederation Seljuk turks, They have both been at war constantly before we even thought of forming either of our alliances... I say we either make peace, or let them duke it out with conditions that will not bring all of our alliances to war. Maybe a Conditional Pact, where each nation will recieve economical aid from others, but not military force? A war that would bring in the Caliph might bring in all of Islam... Which i have no desire to march my men up to these lands.
Do not get me wrong people of the Council, I support fully that you will honor your conditions, but so will the Confederation, And with this, will draw a War in a unheard of scale. This is why I try to change the problem that is Quickly Raising!
decimator22
10-03-2008, 01:50
The turkish diplomat stands up
My freinds, let us not get this to a higher scale and let the georgians and seljuks resolve there difference without help, as we can't know if the other sides helps or not then leth the help be purely economicly.
Askthepizzaguy
10-03-2008, 01:58
The Roman ambassador wakes up
Rome wishes to reaffirm our allegiance with the Western Coalition, and warns that those nations who are threatening our allies should reconsider.
The Roman diplomat falls back asleep, and spills his goblet of wine all over himself.
phonicsmonkey
10-03-2008, 04:39
OOC: ATPG, are you still in the game? I thought you were leaving...
Ibn-Khaldun
10-03-2008, 08:20
I agree with the economical help but not military one! This is war is between those two so lets make sure that it will stay that way!
Merlox123
10-03-2008, 13:41
The Omani's Diplomat sighs in relief.
That sounds more of a way to control a war to me, which is good... Hopefully I will not be forced to march my armies to no where.
the talk you infidels drivel out, i said our peoples had 2 forces in georgian land, defending there provinces, not attacking or causing WAR, something the damned caliph servent seem to have mis-intrepreted in the presence of this incapable diplomat, oh, yes also im sorry if the omans think were foolish and laughable for defending an ally, oh how stupid of us, i forgot it was one your rules to be a cold-selfish nation now, if defending my fellow coalition while not being a eerie creepy to secure false peace, then so be it, 'barbarians' can at least express a view, which is why were so intelligent in comparison to narrow minded omans, while these armies defend georgia others go to antolia doing the honorable thing, call us cowards for helping allies? no the grand seljuks cowardly attacking the small georgians? regardless they will be forced our helps and no amount of your diplomatic blabber will change that:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
actions speak louder then words, though you wont even be able to say them lest i cut your vile tongues off
I agree whole-heartedly with my ally the Kypchak. Truly you cannot suggest that those in our alliance close enough to send troops to defend Georgia from these warmongering Seljuks, would instead just sit by and throw gold at our ally while their cities are razed? Remember this: the Seljuks are the aggressor in this war! The Georgians, and through through their alliance, the Turks of Rum and the Kypchaks as well, are defending the lands of Georgia. Nothing more, and nothing less. Asking an ally to sit and watch his friend die is preposterous!
And you, emissary of the Caliph, your master would join the burning and sieging of Georgia merely because its allies would prevent this from happening if you did not? And you call yourselves peaceful, wish for a diplomatic end to the conflict? You, who would destroy Georgia if we chose to defend it, would scold us about playing with the lives of other nations? Just who exactly do you think you are? The Caliph has no authority in Christian lands, especially not those that have never seen the touch of the crescent!
I will now make myself clear. To my allies the Kypchaks and the Turks, I would strongly suggest that you assist the Georgian military in defending its lands. I would request that you not, however, invade the territory of the Seljuks if and when they are repelled from Georgia. If Georgia wants to retaliate physically against the Seljuks, let it do that by itself. And if you, emissary of the so-called Caliph, would still invade Georgia on these terms, then I will have no choice but to declare complete and total war against between all the allies of the Western Confederation and the Golden Crescent! And in this case, all the armies of the West will strike with great force. You have shown me, Caliphate emissary, that your high and mighty master is prepared to stoop to the level of threats. You can only blame yourself now, that I have brought against you this one.
With a fire in his eyes not seen before, the Latin diplomat sits down.
decimator22
10-04-2008, 01:42
The turkish republic, will aid the georgians militaryly but only defensivly. we will deploy our stack in the cities the Georgians are protecting. If he wishes to continue the attack so be it. We will not follow them, but if the seljuks attack one of the cities that we are protecting, war will occur.
Merlox123
10-04-2008, 03:07
The Omanis diplomat clearly looks agrivated.
The Crusader's Diplomat seems to be the most logical if you are only counting the Barbarian and the Civilized Westerner. Though, As we all know, War means a very bad and lost profits in all of our countries, It is most likely that the Georgians are already experiencing that. If the Crusader states do mean the Ayyubid State, I will defend the Ayyubid with all that I can, As the Ayyubid people has not even provoked any kind of Response, and it would be a war of greed, Though, If the Caliph joins the war, And you go to war with the Caliph, Then that is a different story.
We do not seek a war with the west, as we transport goods to the west... It just does not make good sense to throw such trade like that. The Thing that we have not been hearing is a way to end this war before it goes out of control. Your Barbarian Ally does not seem to like to peacefully talk out things. As you are a Western, I am sure that you can help end this war.
The Omani's Diplomat nods his head at the Crusader's Diplomat, Clearly ignoring the Barbarian, once again.
At this point I have no quarrel with you, noble Oman, for your intentions, I believe, are fair enough. It is your Caliph that offends me, and I would hear his response before we think about any kind of peaceful resolution to this war.
And while my Kypchak friend's civilization may not be as eloquent and cultured as ours, his actions will speak louder than his words, I assure you, and he is a man who follows through on his intentions.
Merlox123
10-05-2008, 01:30
That scares me even more Crusader, If that is so, That barbarian will send his forces passed every one and attempt to raid and pillage my lands, on the Arabian Coast!!!
That scares me even more Crusader, If that is so, That barbarian will send his forces passed every one and attempt to raid and pillage my lands, on the Arabian Coast!!!
hahaha! defending georgian allies is hardly a threat to go to arabia, your lands are worthless, pathetic, i wouldnt step foot on it if it was a mere mile from kiev itself! i thank the catholics for there support, we are perfectly clear of the caliphs intentions to go to india, so i think its them that our over stretching themselves, anyway, the khans and the catholics motive are very similiar, worded in similiar ways, so i fail to see why my words disappoint you, though i have a vision that your hell bent on getting your allies killed....
Merlox123
10-05-2008, 03:58
The Omani's Will remain good relations between all of the west, We will not act on part of the agression that has done by the Seljuk Turks against turks, Though, We will be forced If invade Seljuk after the attacking armies, have been defeated. It is not our way to go to war, With people who we want to help prosper. With Rome having a defensive alliance with the Ayyubid Kingdom, I would also like to have an Defensive Alliance with the Kingdom of Jerusalem, as well as trade rights. I would think that the Jerusalem people would be happy of this, When Islam and Christians could prosper, Such as the Turk Sultanate and the Roman Alliance, If these people can put aside religion for Tolerance, Then let it be.
The Omani's is a Defensive state, and we wish to notify any one that The Omani's Arabian Trade Empire will help with defenders. To show this, We are Breaking the Alliance from the Seljuk Turks, as they do not have our best intentions at heart. The Georgians are noble people, No need on such useless Conquests... Ya?
The Omani's Will remain good relations between all of the west, We will not act on part of the agression that has done by the Seljuk Turks against turks, Though, We will be forced If invade Seljuk after the attacking armies, have been defeated. It is not our way to go to war, With people who we want to help prosper. With Rome having a defensive alliance with the Ayyubid Kingdom, I would also like to have an Defensive Alliance with the Kingdom of Jerusalem, as well as trade rights. I would think that the Jerusalem people would be happy of this, When Islam and Christians could prosper, Such as the Turk Sultanate and the Roman Alliance, If these people can put aside religion for Tolerance, Then let it be.
The Omani's is a Defensive state, and we wish to notify any one that The Omani's Arabian Trade Empire will help with defenders. To show this, We are Breaking the Alliance from the Seljuk Turks, as they do not have our best intentions at heart. The Georgians are noble people, No need on such useless Conquests... Ya?
i hear some sense at last, a war with you could never outbrake with the coalation regardless of our relations, merely because your nigh impossible to reach benesath miles of forbidden sand, though if the rest of your 'golden crescent' group are aggressive, then i cant see your agreement being of use, though that has absolutely nothing to do with me...
Ramses II CP
10-05-2008, 21:32
I want to make it absolutely clear here that any nation which is at war with a member of the Confederacy or the Eastern Alliance should consider themselves to also be at war with the Sindh. There will be no warnings or observations of a technical state of peace; if you wish peace make peace with the Confederacy as a whole. If you are fighting our allies, you are fighting us, and may Allah have mercy on your remains.
We pray for peace, but we will not shrink from war where ever it finds us or our allies.
:egypt:
Merlox123
10-05-2008, 22:05
The Omani's Diplat chuckled at the Khan's Diplomat's with a smile on his face of a good expression, started to use some Sisha and shrugged.
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2008, 00:18
I want to make it absolutely clear here that any nation which is at war with a member of the Confederacy or the Eastern Alliance should consider themselves to also be at war with the Sindh. There will be no warnings or observations of a technical state of peace; if you wish peace make peace with the Confederacy as a whole. If you are fighting our allies, you are fighting us, and may Allah have mercy on your remains.
We pray for peace, but we will not shrink from war where ever it finds us or our allies.
:egypt:
The roman ambassador lifts his head.
Great Sindh ambassador, the nation of Rome, independent of our defensive alliances with the Ayyubids and the Western Coalition, wishes to extend it's hand in friendship, though we are so distant. Our defensive alliances should not interfere with Roman-Sindh relations.
Do not mistake our lack of contact for hostility, it is only that you are so distant from us and matters of state have kept us from establishing relations. Let us know if Rome can be of any assistance towards aggressor nations.
We have not been informed of the current status of the Confederacy or the Eastern Alliance. Would you be so kind as to send us a scroll containing information as to your diplomatic relations with other nations? We would not wish to send aid to your enemies, after all.
Ramses II CP
10-06-2008, 01:39
The Eastern Islamic Alliance is prosecuting a just war against the hindu Rajput people after they were caught preparing an invasion of Sindh lands, but rest assured I will not count your coins agaisnt you if I find them in hindu cities. I expect that all their lands will soon be our lands in any case, so wealth dedicated to their cause will soon be wealth serving my own ends.
As far as I am aware the Confederacy is not actively at war with any nation, though the Caliph has felt sufficiently threatened to invoke my treaty obligation and so Sindh troops are in Abbasid lands helping to keep the peace. This is why it is most important to make the point that the Sindh will immediately enter any war their brothers become embroiled in.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
10-06-2008, 02:39
At present the Romans have no need to send aid to the Hindus who have not made contact with us.
It is good to hear you have no other enemies, that we might deal freely with other eastern nations without offending you.
maybe the indians should be pressured into diplomatic envolvment, you may 'think' they were preparing attack, but if you start the war then your just as bad, we should privately message the indian leader and demand answers, to avoid unnecessary war
Ramses II CP
10-06-2008, 18:23
I do not consider it a matter of guesswork that the Hindus were preparing to invade, but if your intent is to call my people liars then simply be straightforward.
In point of fact a diplomatic solution was offered and went unanswered, perhaps because the shame of the warmongers was too great in the face of their impending defeat...
Ibn-Khaldun
10-06-2008, 18:32
The Abbasid diplomat speaks..
Wait a minute!! Looks like your Armies were on the lands of Georgians long time before the war erupted, Kypchak! So to hide yourself behind the 'defending my ally' is stupid! What were your Armies doing there really? I think that they were getting ready to attack us, the Golden Crescent Confederation! If this is the case then be careful because We will destroy them! Also I must say this again - If Kypchak Armies enter the Seljuk lands we will send our forces to help them!
And how could you possibly know this to be true, except if you had spies inside Georgia before the Seljuks started their invasion? It appears you have been planning an invasion since before the Seljuks even attacked! And if you weren't, as you will undoubtedly claim, then what were they doing there? Having spies inside foreign territory is grounds for a war itself- the same type of war that your ally the Sindh is now waging on the Hindus!
We had sent the Kypchak armies to Georgia because they were useless on the steppes where they were, as the Western Alliance called for a demilitarization of borders. Thus, we placed them in Georgia, where they would be useful in the anticipation that the Golden Crescent might invade. An anticipation, I will add, that was not far off, as Georgia is now full of Seljuk armies and Abassid spies!
The Kypchak armies will stay in Georgia and crush any foreign military, Seljuk or otherwise, that enters the realm, but will not in turn invade other, foreign countries. This is, of course, on the assumption that he rest of the Golden Crescent does not send their armies to Georgia, because in that case, there would little reason for any of the nations of the Western Alliance to stay their own hands. You cannot persecute us with your moral preachings now, for whatever your definition of a defensive alliance is, ours implies that one actually defends its allies in their times of need. And your use of spies is grounds enough for a war itself, but the King of Jerusalem will let you live this one time, in his kindness.
phonicsmonkey
10-06-2008, 23:17
Quttub rises in anger, sneezing ferociously as he begins to speak.
The King of Jerusalem is full of threats and accusations today! How dare he speak in such a way to a descendent of the Prophet!
He is quite the hypocrite to try to make the Golden Crescent seem like aggressors, when he himself rejected honest and generous terms of alliance and peace with Egypt, and has already once been caught massing armies on our borders.
Soon the world will see who the true aggressor is, as he strikes without just cause or warning against his neighbour!
King Baldwin, we are watching you from Egypt and we know your intention is to stir up war between the Confederation and your 'Western' alliance - be honest and manly about it and mask not your true intentions in weasel words!
Ibn-Khaldun
10-07-2008, 09:34
Abbasid emissary rises...
Ambassador of Jerusalem, no we don't have spies in Georgia. The Kypchak emissary himself mentioned that they already have two armies in Georgian lands. I doubt they were there because they wanted to protect the Georgians. Most likely they were heading south to attack the followers of True Faith! It's not possible that just after the start of the war between Seljuks and Georgia the Kypchak armies were supplied and ready to go 'defend' the Georgian lands!
maybe the indians should be pressured into diplomatic envolvment, you may 'think' they were preparing attack, but if you start the war then your just as bad, we should privately message the indian leader and demand answers, to avoid unnecessary war
if a comment like this can spark a person so much, they need psyceratric help...
as jerusalem said, my noble allies, the khans forces are pointless in the steppes, the plan was to keep one force in georgia and another in antolia and this was before the peace loving seljuks decared war! our armies come margianlly closer to you and you get scared! we already expressed our plans, not everything revolves around the caliph, now do be quiet, we want nothing with your lands
(sorry to triple post)
also, back on track before that...distraction,
sindh, we said only to pressure diplomatic involvement, we were being forward with you, good heavens were the most forward people here, don't twist our words, as i was saying, know one else has evidence of this, and the indians havent declared war on you yet right? so your just as accuse able...
Askthepizzaguy
10-07-2008, 19:04
Quttub rises in anger, sneezing ferociously as he begins to speak.
The King of Jerusalem is full of threats and accusations today! How dare he speak in such a way to a descendent of the Prophet!
He is quite the hypocrite to try to make the Golden Crescent seem like aggressors, when he himself rejected honest and generous terms of alliance and peace with Egypt, and has already once been caught massing armies on our borders.
Soon the world will see who the true aggressor is, as he strikes without just cause or warning against his neighbour!
King Baldwin, we are watching you from Egypt and we know your intention is to stir up war between the Confederation and your 'Western' alliance - be honest and manly about it and mask not your true intentions in weasel words!
I would caution the Ayyubids that their sharp tongues are not welcome in these chambers. It is difficult to maintain an alliance with nations who posture so aggressively, for it might interfere with our alliance with the King of Jerusalem.
I warn both sides against starting any conflict, because Rome froms greatly upon aggressors.
rome froms on aggressors? cool! do they frown on aggressors too?
i would like to make it clear that i am 100% behind the kingdom of jerusalem, i understand rome are keeping a balanced council, but i think they should be more clear about there wants themselves, we can mask it behind false words, but wars inevitable, why bother waiting another half-year or so, the only thing that is stopping a full scale war is pride and not being masked as the 'aggressor' well the way i see it and how were acting were all aggressors, and i think if the indians knew what fools attended this council, they'd be glad they never came, lucky them for not being plagued with this racket!
phonicsmonkey
10-07-2008, 22:56
Quttub turns to the Roman diplomat.
I apologise my friend if my words have made your position uncomfortable.
I sought only to expose what I see as the thinly veiled excuses for war which are being perpetrated in this Council by members of the Western Alliance, and to make it clear to all present who the true aggressors are.
Can you blame us for being frustrated when we hear such things as 'wars inevitable, why bother waiting another half-year or so, the only thing that is stopping a full scale war is pride'?
Let all here know that the Ayyubids have not, and will not raise a hand in aggression against another nation.
Ultra_Magnus
10-09-2008, 13:16
The Mankurian diplomat is listening to the heated arguments with intrest
All this talk of war and alliances is wearing me down unless we have action all this talk is futile
The Mankurian diplomat is listening to the heated arguments with intrest
All this talk of war and alliances is wearing me down unless we have so action all this talk is futile
the kypchak looked at the makurian representative erratically
eh? what did you say, i think i caught some of it, if i understood correctly then i agree, actions speak louder than words, once more while the ayyubids want to make it clear who the true aggressors our, i realize he ignores that the 'great' seljuks have aggressively attacked georgia, so if they are still in your golden crescent pact, then it begs the question, if you defend an aggressor, you cant be peaceful yourself
Askthepizzaguy
10-10-2008, 00:55
Quttub turns to the Roman diplomat.
I apologise my friend if my words have made your position uncomfortable.
I sought only to expose what I see as the thinly veiled excuses for war which are being perpetrated in this Council by members of the Western Alliance, and to make it clear to all present who the true aggressors are.
Can you blame us for being frustrated when we hear such things as 'wars inevitable, why bother waiting another half-year or so, the only thing that is stopping a full scale war is pride'?
Let all here know that the Ayyubids have not, and will not raise a hand in aggression against another nation.
Your response pleases us, Quttub.
I see that some of my allies in the Western Coalition are indeed overstepping the boundaries of civility and into the realm of aggression. I would ask my Kypchak neighbors, in the name of Roman-Kypchak relations, to speak softly and carry a big stick.
Surely none threaten the mighty Kypchak confederacy, especially with Rome by your side. However you put Rome in a difficult position of having to apologize for and explain your actions.
I would warn my Western Coalition friends against such naked aggression, for it undermines our legitimacy as a moral, sovereign power. Should any begin a war without reason, they lose their rights in this league of nations.
Merlox123
10-10-2008, 13:49
The Omani's Diplomat would Reply by shaking his head to the whole thing.
well i assure you im not beening aggressive, respectfully of course...
Askthepizzaguy
10-11-2008, 00:27
rome froms on aggressors? cool! do they frown on aggressors too?
i would like to make it clear that i am 100% behind the kingdom of jerusalem, i understand rome are keeping a balanced council, but i think they should be more clear about there wants themselves, we can mask it behind false words, but wars inevitable, why bother waiting another half-year or so, the only thing that is stopping a full scale war is pride and not being masked as the 'aggressor' well the way i see it and how were acting were all aggressors, and i think if the indians knew what fools attended this council, they'd be glad they never came, lucky them for not being plagued with this racket!
I was referring to this, when I was talking of my allies' aggressive stance.
I do NOT believe war is inevitable here. I have tried my best to form a peace with the Golden Crescent Alliance, and have mobilized my forces to defend the Western Coalition if necessary. I've formed an alliance (albeit a shaky one) with the Ayyubid leader in order to cool tensions.
Brothers of the West, my efforts will all be for naught should our alliance be the first to strike. We have every right to retaliate, however we should not be aggressors. I will respond to diplomatic aggression from either side with a statement of disapproval, followed by a warning, followed by the severing of diplomatic ties. I have made it very plain; those who do not follow the path of peaceful words will fall upon the blade of a Roman sword.
Were we attacked by anyone, Rome would immediately declare war against our enemies. If allies send aid to the enemies of our states, they also would be war combatants in the eyes of Rome. But actions are necessary to respond to; threats and poor diplomacy can be overlooked, excused, ignored, or warned against. Let us not start a war with words, my friends; let us only end a war started by our enemies, with swords.
I do not mean to single you out, my Kypchak friend. Surely, relations between Rome and Kypchak could not be better. However, Rome does prefer our allies not prompt wars with words. Careful diplomacy could allow us to keep our troops at home where they belong.
at the time it was a valid thing to say, and i dont believe people can stay satified with what they own, they likely want more lands eventually, i dont yet, but would think others do
Merlox123
10-20-2008, 01:40
That makes the difference between Dogs and Men. Dogs simply believe that things are impossible, and will never learn.
Men though, Try the most un-certain. And if they achieve, They set a single star withen the Sea of stars of what men has done for accomplisments.
Askthepizzaguy
12-28-2008, 09:57
Yessss! Yesss!!!! OH YESSSS!!!
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I knew the LUDICROUSLY INSANE people from Nebulon 4 would come! Yes, let them incinerate us all with the power of the Freem Cannon!
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The Roman Empire wins the game with a score of 8 berzillion points, and expands 3 cup sizes! You were all fools to trifle with me, because my imaginary powers are more disturbing than yours! I eat Kroff dinner and go sleepytime ni-night now!!! Remember to pardon your onions before engaging in lewd behavior, and don't let the snails eat chicken dinnertime.
-fin-
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