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TenkiSoratoti
10-28-2002, 22:53
When your not host and you know you've been beaten, what is the problem with quitting??
someone explain maybe you can see that this is wrong because i cant!!
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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."
Swoosh So
10-28-2002, 23:14
Depends when you quit noone likes a player just to quit cause they are losing some of my best games IE bungo in the mp campaign v the elites we started off bad but me magyar and fogolyn made a last ditch attempt to take the hill of bungo and succeeded what a charge! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
DragonCat
10-28-2002, 23:31
Where it is particulary disliked is if you have allies still fighting. I can't tell you how many times I have been winning my side of the field and then an ally drops, which causes routs and frees the other enemy now to concentrate on me.
Its hard to judge when a battle is lost - although you may have lost your small piece of it - it may make a difference in the overall effort if you fight on.
I also like to stay on and give moral support - and sometimes informational support - to my allies still fighing. AND some of the best chat in the game is also managed with both your allies and your opponenets during these periods.
I see it as bad manners to ditch your allies before all agree its done. And, I tend to avoid games with people who do it.
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DragonCat
. . . on the prowl!
GilJaysmith
10-28-2002, 23:42
You know when you've been wasted because the game will tell you "please wait while this conflict is resolved" and the camera will unlock to allow you to rove all over the battlemap. All your troops will be routing or dead at this point.
Until you get this message, you are still in the game, and as anyone knows who's seen me grimly rallying three men and a sheepdog, tenacity and judicious use of the rally key can keep you in there for quite some time.
If you quit at any time before you get this message, all your troops will start to rout, which will probably have an extra bad effect on any nearby allies. If they were already routing, quitting won't make any difference.
So from that point of view, it's quite rude to affect your allies by quitting out before you've been wasted.
But I wouldn't expect the casual gamer to realise that, certainly not the first time, so I think people should be gentle on first offenders.
Edit: this last is not a reference to anyone in this thread!
[This message has been edited by GilJaysmith (edited 10-28-2002).]
Swoosh So
10-28-2002, 23:45
Lol gil hes a tenki so hes already skint his knees
TenkiSoratoti
10-29-2002, 00:10
YEAH THATS WHAT HAPPENS it sais ive been defeated and wait for the battle to end so i just quit.
whats the prob.?
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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."
you talking 1v1 yeah?
I dunno - this must come from STW, where doing that makes the result void...
but here - it don't matter do it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Dionysus9
10-29-2002, 01:39
Sometimes when a player drops it will crash the game.
Sometimes it will lag the game badly.
I personally think it is a little rude and I will tell you why Sora--
When a player drops after quickly losing I get several impressions (whether they are correct or not):
1) he doesn't care about the outcome of the battle; i.e. he doesn't care about whether his allies win or lose the fight
2) he is in a hurry to run off to another game, so he can quickly and impetuously lose another game which he doesn't really care about;
3) he doesn't even care about his own kill ratio or that of his team/allies;
4) thus, a dropping player only cares about winning his own fight and not about learning, communicating with allies, or helping his allies actually win the conflict in the end (by providing much needed spying and map-wide information).
Players who routinely drop after they lose in my experience generally "play fast". They don't have patience--they generally try to rush. When the rush doesn't work they just quit and go to another game.
More often than not these droppers end up leaving their allies in bad situations, time and time again.
THAT is why I just find it a little rude to drop without asking permission first.
Maybe its a holdover from my STW mentality, I dont know. Maybe I am the rude one, but thats my humble opinion.
Bacchus
[This message has been edited by Dionysus9 (edited 10-28-2002).]
Swoosh So
10-29-2002, 01:40
Agreed its an unwritten rule for old timers http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Not that im an oldie http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif hehe
[This message has been edited by Swoosh So (edited 10-28-2002).]
anymapkoku
10-29-2002, 03:41
I think if you're host then everyone in the game leaves too and the game isn't finished.
I don't have a problem with someone leaving if they've been beat but the host/drop and drop/rout rules are simply gay. The no replay when leaving part is also stupid.
Go get a drink or some food while you wait...watch your allies and learn from them. Otherwise alt tab back into windows and write those emails you never get time to write...while you wait for the battle to end.
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Don't be in a rush to die!!
DragonCat
10-29-2002, 03:57
I think Dionysus9 captured it quite well - better than I did, anyways.
Another point - in the future - after the P*TCH - will we see Competitive games in the MTW Online game? If so, then quitting becomes may be even more important than just manners. . . Gil - could you comment on this?
Personally, I find that people that quit out of games - especially prematurely - before the sad music - are not the sort of people I like to play with. That's purely a personal preference. Besides, if you quit early, you'll never get to hear all the things we say about you!!
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DragonCat
. . . on the prowl!
If youz were playing in Game 7 of the world series... or in the Super Bowl...
... And you were your team's "star player"...
... And found yourself down 5-0 in the first inning (or down 21-0 in the first quarter), would you just quit the game and walk off the field? Or, would you try to come back and win it?
The answer... will tell you who you really are...
GAH!
[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 10-28-2002).]
Exactly Vanya,
its just not the sporting thing to do.
Q: why do you play MTW
A: to have fun
Q: why play MTW online
A: to have fun with others
sometimes that involves losing - sadly despite you best efforts or maybe some tactical errors - you got beaten
does the fact that the tides of fortune did not go your way mean you did not have fun fighting the battle - if so u should stop playing. I have made some good online friends through chatting after someone wooped me - which happens alot http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif - no need to kiss their ass but a word of good battle or nice attack never goes astray - even how did u beat me - or Ill get you next time
I know this can be a bitter pill to swallow especially if your men just had to climb over the bodies of their fallen comrades to fight an uphill battle or break a castle - but if the battle was a great one in which very few lived - then Im usually having fun
Dont get your name added to the lamer list of ppl that drop games. (If you drop games enough.. to make a name for yourself as a dropper... you may find your self being booted from a game before it even begins)
If by chance you want to learn something about the way you lost. You will not have the opportunity to save the film to review the why and how you lost, aswell as why and how your opponent won.
[This message has been edited by dej2 (edited 10-29-2002).]
anymapkoku
10-30-2002, 00:23
So I'm a lamer if I've won a game and leave just because I don't want to chase around every little stupid peasants that is routing around? That makes me a bad person? Ok. When you've lost, you've lost. Quitting is just a way of throwing in the towel.
Swoosh So
10-30-2002, 00:30
anymapkoku what was with your post with the link that apparently spammed everyones screen?
TenkiSoratoti
10-30-2002, 01:19
why stay when you can make no further contribution to the battle.
I am strongly gainst the host quitting though.
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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."
Niccolomachiavelli
10-30-2002, 01:58
Quote Originally posted by Swoosh So:
anymapkoku what was with your post with the link that apparently spammed everyones screen?[/QUOTE]
I was curious about that too. Not to hijack the thread or anything...
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