View Full Version : What are the most used units in your army?
Lord TangMo
10-29-2002, 23:52
I uses Urban Militia as the main part of my army because it is cheap and not so high on the tech tree. But Byz Inf is quite cost effective through.
Mithrandir
10-30-2002, 00:08
Nubian Spearmen,mamuluk cavelry, pavise arbalesters make an unbeatable (still unbeaten that is http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif) combination.
My main portion of my armies are ussually Spearman or Feudal Seargeants (large units,high defense, good vs cavelry) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.
edit : urban militia suck, they're way to weak to stand up vs anything and their morale is even worse... I only use them if I need to get some troops in a castle to keep the province when it rebels...
Hope this helped...
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Definitely Saracen infantry/ Chivalric Segeants, arbalesters/horse archers, and a decent medium cavalry unit like mounted sergeants or Sipahis, Armenians, or Ghulams.
Soapyfrog
10-30-2002, 01:44
My Turkish armies are composed of Saracen Infantry, Ottoman Infantry, and Ottoman Siphais, with some local variation (More Steppe cavalry in Russia, Armenian Cavalry in the Middle East, Bedouins and Berbers in North Africa...)
In the late period, Siphais will probably be replaced by Ghulams, Ottoman Infantry with Futawwas and Turcoman Inf... and even later with Janissaries when I can build them.
As European powers, by the end of the game my armies are made up exclusively of chivalric sergeants, chivalric knights, and arbalesters, with a sprinkling of MAA or other shock troops.
Niccolomachiavelli
10-30-2002, 01:55
Saracen, Mamluk Ghazi and the occasional nubian. Oh, and Ghulam bodyguards.
I'm horribly ignorant of non-muslim units, so I'm having an interesting time trying to make a good army in my Italian campaign.
Almohad Army:
Infantry: Almohad Urban Militia
Missile: Desert Archers
Cavalry: Armenian Heavy Cavalry
Plus whatever light cavalry is readily to hand.
English Army:
Infantry: Anything Going
Missile: Longbows + Crossbows
Cavalry: Hoblidiers
Plus whatever knights I get from Crusades.
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Boondock Saint
10-30-2002, 02:24
vikings ... vikings ... vikings. Hordes of vikings ...
Anyway ...
-Best spear unit
-best shock unit
-best missile unit
-best cav unit.
-best arty.
Ok, so its not that original and my armies look like Roman legion formations. It aint how u look, its if u win.
As egypt My core units are Saracens
TenkiSoratoti
10-30-2002, 05:32
me thinks on a 10000 game the best finish of unit is valour 4 feudal men at arms, fast andd good at skipping round the back of armies to flank etc.
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muffinman14
10-30-2002, 05:41
pavise arbelesters, pikemen and fuedal sergents, CMAA and FMAA, and some good meduim and light calvary to take prisoners and flank
Stephen Hummell
10-30-2002, 07:07
i like muwahid over saracens for the saracens have poor morale and the muwahids have good morale. i've lost many battles with saracens because if they seem to be in a bad position they all go.
Quote Originally posted by Stephen Hummell:
i like muwahid over saracens for the saracens have poor morale and the muwahids have good morale. i've lost many battles with saracens because if they seem to be in a bad position they all go.[/QUOTE]
They functionally have the same morale in the game. Sars start with +2 valor -> +4 morale. Throw in the fact that they have 6 higher defense and 100 man units, and there is no way they should be breaking more often than muwahids....
Replacing your sar with muwahids would have simply caused your units to break more quickly.
My generals are my most used units, cuz they live forever!!!! Generals should die of old age. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
deejayvee
10-30-2002, 07:57
Billmen and longbowmen.
English= Billmen, Longbowmen, CMAA and Chiv Knights (didn't know how powerful spear units were)
Egyptians= Saracen Inf/Muwahid Foot/Ghazi/Armenian/Mamluk/Mamluk Horse
Elmoheads=AUM, with a little Muwahid Foot and Murabitin support, used other units sparingly in battle
Byzantines=haven't gone far enough, mostly byz infantry
Lord Romulous
10-30-2002, 09:07
Quote Originally posted by tomppb:
My generals are my most used units, cuz they live forever!!!! Generals should die of old age. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif[/QUOTE]
you remind me of some old leftie still trying to convince everyone that the only way forward is a revolution. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
no offence... but how many of your posts have been about this issue ?
(im trying to be humerous, probably failing. im not flaming you)
I know, no offense taken. I only repeat myself all the time because this message board gets so many threads its easy for your gripe to get lost in the mix. But I will consider myself on parole and pipe down for awhile about it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
And I'm anything but a leftie http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Must have:
Early, Militia Sergeants
some kind of missile unit
anything else you can get your hands on. Particularly cav.
Later, Chiv Sergeants
better missile unit
MSs become garrisons
Better cavalry
Shock troops
the cool thing about this game is that you can have a different 'core' unit everytime you play a different faction. As english billmen, Italians Italian inf, Byz Byz inf, etc. I pick in priority faction specific units, that adds a lot of replayability to the game
Graymane
10-30-2002, 18:30
80% of built troops in my games are Urban Militia, Militia Sergeants and cheap maintainence bows (xbow usually). The other 20% are field armies. Generally 1-2 heavy cav, 1-2 light cav, 2 bow types and the rest a mix between spear and shock (Feudal Sergeants and FMAA for example). Those field armies are contantly on the move with a mass of militia units behind them along with 2 bishops, 2 assassins and 2 spies.
byz infantry and arbalesters if i play as the byzantines.
italian infantry and arbalesters if I am Italian.
arbalesters because they are deadly and cheap in maintenance
The other factions i don't play so often.
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A.Saturnus
10-30-2002, 20:46
I also use mainly Sar Inf, they have definitly stronger than Muwahid, and also better than f-serg., they come close to chiv-serg.
Actually they are the only unit Egyptians can relie on as core unit, cause there other inf is so weak. I usually use additional to arbs nizaris, they are quiet good as light inf. I never use urban militia except I need quick units in undeveloped provinces, because one unit of sar is better than 2 militia and cheaper
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as the turks my earlier armies consist mostly of saracens and ottoman infantry. I also try and horde english longbowman mercs as they become available. i use armenian cavalry as my primary mounted unit.
solypsist
10-31-2002, 02:34
pre-patch it's mostly feudal sergeants and billmen.
i tend to have lots of small armies consisting of the following:
2-3 spearmen/sergeants
2 billmen/MS's
2 F/CMAA
3 Longbowmen
1-2 cavalry
flexible and good for offence or defence
Dionysus9
10-31-2002, 03:17
Quote Originally posted by solypsist:
pre-patch it's mostly feudal sergeants and billmen.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah? And what is your post-patch army?
Heh...
I normally follow a predictable pattern:
4 ranged units (arbs)
4 Spears (any type will do)
4 Shocktroops (Swords/axes)
4 Cavalry (normally Alans)
This formula has worked well for me in STW, MI/WE, and MTW. It is flexible and solid.
I shy away from troops with poor morale.
not your army, your most used unit
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AgentBif
10-31-2002, 03:35
Notice how few people use heavy cavalry as their main attack force?
My general sense is in the period around 1100-1300, knights were frequently a major component of a fielded army. It was not rare for them to compose about 20-50% of the manpower of the army. In MTW, to get a 30% ratio of chivalric knights to infantry, you need 7 or 8 units of chivalrics.
Has anyone tried armies with half their units being composed of knights/heavy cavalry?
If they have, I think they are the wierd, romantic types. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
I think I'll try a French campaign and focus on Chivalric Knights being my primary attack force. I am convinced it will be excessively cost ineffective, but it will be instructive.
BTW, for those of you who do use a primarily heavy cavalry attack (if there are any such people), do you ever charge them straight into the enemy? This is the way they usually did it back then, but has anyone tried this historical approach in the game and found it successful?
bif
solypsist
10-31-2002, 03:56
Quote Oh yeah? And what is your post-patch army? [/QUOTE]
I'll let you know when I get done testing it!
punks.
There's gonna be a sh*tstorm once this post gets out
chilliwilli
10-31-2002, 04:07
I use Saracens alot they never stop being effective, Mameluk cavalry despite being medium cav can wreak havoc on any unit, Mongol Horse archers are simply the best horse acrhers in the game and a few of these will turn the tide in any battle. Well yes as The Golden horde its probably one of the only units anyone will us playing them, but they are great.
Quote Originally posted by solypsist:
I'll let you know when I get done testing it!
punks.
There's gonna be a sh*tstorm once this post gets out[/QUOTE]
Ok let me be the first...
WHAT THE ****?!?!?!? You are testing it!?!??! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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PugPenguin
10-31-2002, 05:55
Billman & longbows are my fav. The only thing is, early on it's hard to build up a province to get them http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Practically, I must say I use spearman the most simply because of convenience in everything.
On a side note, has anyone noticed how useful Highland Clansman are, up to about mid way through the SP? They fight like No-Dachi in Shogun. Also Very cheap to train and maintain.
I don't tend to use heavy cav as an attacking force because the english didn't as a rule. besides, they're quite easily countered.
Maelstrom
10-31-2002, 15:37
Quote Originally posted by solypsist:
I'll let you know when I get done testing it!
punks.
There's gonna be a sh*tstorm once this post gets out[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...
Would you care to elaborate?.... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
G0THIC-Lobster
10-31-2002, 19:26
Byz infantry and kata are my core. And with 3 unit of guards and 2 unit of byz cavalryfor a little fire support. But in my almohad i used aum and in other muslim faction my core is sacaren (mamuluke for egyptz and khazarian for turks.) and for western unitz i used man at arm and chivalic sergant.
Rosacrux
10-31-2002, 19:48
Solypsist, you are such a $%$##@#@ of a $#@(@@# not to mention that you are a complete &@#@#!@#$^% #%$#$ and a #$%$#%&#$%#.
more to come later, if you don't elaborate on that comment of yours
In my first campaign as the Byzantines the core of my army was Byzantine infantry supported with many Kataphractous. Spearmen were few. Varangian Guards always accompanied large armies,along with Pronoiai Allagion.
In my current German campaign I mostly use militia sergents and Knights. If I could afford it I could have only knights. They are doing good in the northen flat grasslands.
chunkynut
10-31-2002, 21:02
In what is my first byz campaign i have found a great and flexible army.
1 katapohii (u know what i mean) prince and gen (normally)
2 Pronoiai Allagion
2 Byzant Cav
1 Vavarian Guard
3 Spearmen
2 Byzant inf
2 Pav arbs
3 trebuzoid archers
I have found that it encorporates everything you need in any SP battle, and with all the armour upgrades take down everything with out lossing many!
Only thing is no decient spears http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
But most used at the mo is byzant inf great alrounders!
Peasants and Urban Militia, and Spearmen if any. Archers not needed. Cavalry very rarely. Most of the time lots and lots of Mercs, they consist 50% of my armies. I like to call it the Skim Milk and Brownie Rush
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