Texas County Legalizes Conceal and Carry For Teachers [Archive]

Xiahou

08-20-2008, 21:26

Good.

It isn't clear how many of the 50 or so teachers and staff members will be armed this fall, because Thweatt did not disclose that information, to keep it from students or potential attackers. Also good. :yes:

Viking

08-20-2008, 21:26

A tiny Texas school district

Since you asked.

Gregoshi

08-20-2008, 21:46

Raising your hands in school - not just for answering questions anymore...

Tribesman

08-20-2008, 22:39

How sad is that .
It really comes to something when a society is that screwed up and scared that it feels the need to have armed teachers .

CountArach

08-20-2008, 22:45

How sad is that .
It really comes to something when a society is that screwed up and scared that it feels the need to have armed teachers .
Yep, I couldn't have put it better myself.

Veho Nex

08-20-2008, 22:52

How sad is that .
It really comes to something when a society is that screwed up and scared that it feels the need to have armed teachers .

I dont know. I think I would feel safer with a teacher armed with a gun rather than a student. As long as the teacher knows when and how to use it. Even if crime rate and school shootings weren't so high, I know back in my dads day the teachers used to leave rifles in their car.

Sarmatian

08-20-2008, 22:57

I'll have to visit Texas. It seems that the spirit of Wild West was preserved there and ever since I've seen Gunfight at OK Coral I've wanted to feel that atmosphere... :laugh4:

Tribesman

08-20-2008, 23:01

I dont know. I think I would feel safer with a teacher armed with a gun rather than a student.
Oh sorry I didn't realise that was the other option

Rhyfelwyr

08-20-2008, 23:29

Having known several teachers get stressed to the point of a mental breakdown, I'm not sure I'd be happy with them having a gun should it all get too much for them...

Husar

08-21-2008, 00:15

Well, sum kids just won't listen when ye talk to 'em...

Louis VI the Fat

08-21-2008, 00:27

How sad is that .
It really comes to something when a society is that screwed up and scared that it feels the need to have armed teachers .Indeed. Very sad this.

SwordsMaster

08-21-2008, 00:40

So, let me get this straight: If they made no attempt to conceal it, they were allowed to have one all this time?

Lord Winter

08-21-2008, 00:43

Should we start taking bets on if the next school shooter will be a teacher or a student? [/sarcasm]

Ronin

08-21-2008, 01:01

because in case of a potential school shooting crossfire can only make it better....

HoreTore

08-21-2008, 01:21

because in case of a potential school shooting crossfire can only make it better....

The best safety tip you'll ever get is this:

DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN A DANGEROUS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU DOLT!

Xiahou

08-21-2008, 01:45

I dont know. I think I would feel safer with a teacher armed with a gun rather than a student. As long as the teacher knows when and how to use it. Even if crime rate and school shootings weren't so high, I know back in my dads day the teachers used to leave rifles in their car.They used to have rifle clubs at schools where even the kids would bring guns to school- yet the mass shootings that everyone feared never materialized.

I visited a public school just a few years ago that had a shooting range in its basement- now used for storage of course. It was pretty interesting.

Reverend Joe

08-21-2008, 02:24

Regardless, I'm not really sure I would feel safe in a class with Professor Sabata...

Call me biased, but I have known a few squirrelly teachers in my time. The thought of those individuals being licensed to carry arms in a classroom is unsettling, to say the least.

Gregoshi

08-21-2008, 02:41

Call me biased, but I have known a few squirrelly teachers in my time. The thought of those individuals being licensed to carry arms in a classroom is unsettling, to say the least.

From the article, here's what is required for the teacher to carry a gun:

1) they must have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun

2) must be authorized to carry by the district

3) must receive training in crisis management and hostile situations

4) must use ammunition designed to minimize the risk of ricocheting bullets.

I'm glad to see not any teacher can carry a gun on a whim. But it still doesn't give me warm and fuzzies. I wonder who will be checking #4 and how often?

KarlXII

08-21-2008, 02:46

Can't wait till they hire a teacher who's secretly psycho :2thumbsup:

Besides, Texas, and the rest of the US, why are you guys http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/us/15cnd-marriage.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin always a step behind us?

Xiahou

08-21-2008, 02:48

Can't wait till they hire a teacher who's secretly psycho :2thumbsup:Right, cuz a teacher who wanted to go on a killing spree would let rules not allowing him to bring a gun to school stop him. That's why we've never had a school shooting- because students aren't allowed to bring guns to school... oh wait. :dizzy2:

KarlXII

08-21-2008, 02:58

Right, cuz a teacher who wanted to go on a killing spree would let rules not allowing him to bring a gun to school stop him. That's why we've never had a school shooting- because students aren't allowed to bring guns to school... oh wait. :dizzy2:

It'll make it a lot easier. "I'm going to kill people in this school what should I use? Oh, that's right, I have the gun the school let's me bring and have on me without suspicion."

Alexander the Pretty Good

08-21-2008, 05:27

Can't wait till they hire a teacher who's secretly psycho
They very best that can be said for this comment is "morbid." Of course you wouldn't be hoping for the death of innocent students, even if they are guilty of the grave sin of being American?

As much as I'm rah-rah behind the 2A, I'm hesitant to support this. Hopefully nothing becomes of it and when it doesn't end in the deaths of dozens you can all try to find other ways to discredit firearm ownership.

Jolt

08-21-2008, 05:42

I dont know. I think I would feel safer with a teacher armed with a gun rather than a student. As long as the teacher knows when and how to use it. Even if crime rate and school shootings weren't so high, I know back in my dads day the teachers used to leave rifles in their car.

You see, in other countries, we feel safer when neither a teacher nor a student carry guns. I feel (Heck, felt, since I'm already in college. :P) safer when it's the State School Police who carries all the guns. But that's just me. This law the thread is about is just another example why I consider the USA a barbarian country. (Adding to the list in which "Non-Existence of State Health Service" currently tops)

Alexander the Pretty Good

08-21-2008, 06:06

The barbarians sacked Rome.

Just sayin'. :D

KarlXII

08-21-2008, 06:30

They very best that can be said for this comment is "morbid." Of course you wouldn't be hoping for the death of innocent students, even if they are guilty of the grave sin of being American?

*Sigh* apparently you did not see the smiley face at the end of the comment.

Tribesman

08-21-2008, 08:10

1) they must have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun

2) must be authorized to carry by the district

3) must receive training in crisis management and hostile situations

4) must use ammunition designed to minimize the risk of ricocheting bullets.

But those are violations of a citizens rights , how dare they put up legal barriers that restrict a persons right to bear arms , and as for saying what ammunition people can and cannot have ....well thats just like them damn liberal euroweenies down mexico way .:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

I visited a public school just a few years ago that had a shooting range in its basement- now used for storage of course. It was pretty interesting.
Wow , and I worked at a state school where they had not only a shooting range but an armoury too .
It wasn't so that kids could bring guns to school in case they needed protection from a nutcase with a gun though .

PanzerJaeger

08-21-2008, 08:31

How sad is that .
It really comes to something when a society is that screwed up and scared that it feels the need to have armed teachers .

I've got to agree with Tribesman here.

As Xiahou alluded to, this country has always had guns a strong gun culture. There used to be gun clubs and shooting classes in most public schools. Sure there was gun crime, most notably in the early Western expansion and the gangster violence of the twenties, but most of that was directed at the participants or law enforcement when it tried to intervene - and more importantly, it was based on profit.

The idea of going postal - the mentality that "I'm going to go kill as many people as possible before the cops kill me." - is a sign of some real social problems.

I support this measure, but only as a band-aid. We need to work towards not having to have such things. The screamer's try and blame it all on video games and TV, but I think it goes deeper than that.

KarlXII

08-21-2008, 08:33

Everyone is still behind Texas :2thumbsup:

But they're behind California

Lord Winter

08-21-2008, 08:41

I support this measure, but only as a band-aid. We need to work towards not having to have such things. The screamer's try and blame it all on video games and TV, but I think it goes deeper than that.

Agreed I think the main problem is that we now live in a culture that vaules superficial traits that many times are ethier descturctive or given only through birth. Add in an increasing demand in the culture to have to be hugely succesful and conform and you get a perfect storm.

Tribesman

08-21-2008, 08:53

I've got to agree with Tribesman here.

OK enough of that . I wish to change my view .
This is a good thing , it shows how sane and stable society is when the authorities can decide in the interests of freedom that a firearm is a neccesary tool when it comes to teaching students .~;)

Husar

08-21-2008, 12:35

I agree with Tribesman and his buddy PanzerJager and their buddy Lord Winter.

Although we seem to have similar problems here as well.

Somebody Else

08-21-2008, 12:43

Interesting notion... (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266308/)

LittleGrizzly

08-21-2008, 15:07

I could swear PJ just agreed with tribesman, anyone else's feet getting a bit cold ?

I highly doubt a teacher is going to go on a shooting rampage, or shoot a student because he's a bit cheeky or something, i suppose i can see the sense in the law but i am completely against guns in schools so obviously im against the idea.

Louis VI the Fat

08-22-2008, 00:43

I've got to agree with Tribesman here. Bollox :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Now then Panzer , can you name a plaec where they also ave armwd guns and where the teachers can shoot pupils ?
I'll give you a hint it is a certan plaec where ameicans recently invaded and struk a deal with a certan local milita involving armed guns in clasrsooms now the latter would seem accpetable to you and all that bolox but when it comes home you start ****** . so then tel me what is the diference ? or have you not thougth your post trouhg maybe ? :laugh4:
now then panzer ... can it be said then that your post is perhaps of the bollox variety ? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 00:48

The nearest police station is 30 minutes away. What if something happens?

Gregoshi

08-22-2008, 04:01

The nearest police station is 30 minutes away...
Then build a Dunkin' Donuts next to the school.

Alexander the Pretty Good

08-22-2008, 04:31

I can't tell which is better; Greg's post or the fact that Tribesman knows Louis' password.

Papewaio

08-22-2008, 05:08

I'm getting confused.

Too many posters have changed their names.
Some posters know each other so well they can mimic others styles.

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I agree with PJ and Tribesman.

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On a tangent considering the number of teachers found here and in the US who have pressured their students into sex or commited other crimes agaisnt their students. I don't think as a cross section teachers are any more law abiding then other citizens. Power attracts certain people, and so does having power over children... certain professions will attract perverts more readily then others (Preists, Scout Leaders, Youth Workets and Teachers are going to be far more likely to attract child molestors then say Geriatric Care).

So I do not buy the line that teacher = automatic good guy. Not anymore, we pay peanuts for monkeys. We get quite a few monkeys, fewer pervs and even fewer competent and/or saintly teachers.

Devastatin Dave

08-22-2008, 05:23

Then build a Dunkin' Donuts next to the school.

:laugh4:

Maybe have a Starbucks right off campass...
http://www.local6.com/news/16904043/detail.html

Adrian II

08-22-2008, 16:14

seireikhaan

08-22-2008, 16:45

I see no problem with allowing these teachers to have weapons, so long as they indeed do meet the requirements. Maybe not in every setting, but certainly in Texas, I think this is likely quite appropriate.

ICantSpellDawg

08-22-2008, 16:48

I agree with everyone else's bollox. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

A society that sees the need for such emergency measures has a problem indeed. So what is that problem, and what do we do about it?

We believe in guns, Adrian. We also believe that guns in the right hands are better than a blanket ban. The beauty of our country is that the States are essentially separate petri dishes, micro-countries - states can try things out on their own to see if they are viable solutions for the whole; all without sinking the country as a whole in the process.

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 16:48

I agree with everyone else's bollox. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

A society that sees the need for such emergency measures has a problem indeed. So what is that problem, and what do we do about it?

Because the nearest police station is 30 minutes away. there are plenty of places in North and west TEXAS just like this town. God forbid something happens. I would also point out that since conceal and carry was passed homicide rates have gone down. Not to mention I don't think we have a problem and I'm not going to give up my rights because some people don't like them

Ronin

08-22-2008, 16:52

Because the nearest police station is 30 minutes away. there are plenty of places in North and west TEXAS just like this town. God forbid something happens. I would also point out that since conceal and carry was passed homicide rates have gone down. Not to mention I don't think we have a problem and I'm not going to give up my rights because some people don't like them

it seems every couple of months some teenager feels the need to go into his school and start shooting classmates over there...you don´t think you guys have a problem???

fine I guess....your country and all that...:juggle2:

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 16:59

it seems every couple of months some teenager feels the need to go into his school and start shooting classmates over there...you don´t think you guys have a problem???

fine I guess....your country and all that...:juggle2:

that is a social problem. School shootings happen because someone dropped the ball in that child's life. A kid doesn't find a 9 mm and think "Well I've only got one option now that I have a gun, time to kill my classmates."

drone

08-22-2008, 17:10

Can a mod please change the name of this thread to "FedEx", because it delivers. :yes:

And I was thinking it would be another boring gun thread... ~D

Tribesman

08-22-2008, 17:33

Because the nearest police station is 30 minutes away.
There are lots places over here where the nearest police station is over an hour away , yet no one feels that schools in those areas need armed teachers .

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 17:38

God forbid something happens then.

Your entire island is about the size of Indiana So I find that kind of hard to believe but I will entertain you

Tribesman

08-22-2008, 17:44

Your entire island is about the size of Indiana So I find that kind of hard to believe but I will entertain you
You obviously havn't been to my little island have you .

ICantSpellDawg

08-22-2008, 17:47

We have a gun culture. I like it most of the time, except when criminals go crazy. When they do - its the most appropriate time for decent people to embrace the culture.

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 17:48

You obviously havn't been to my little island have you .

And You obviously haven't been to my little state have you

HoreTore

08-22-2008, 17:50

Same thing here. Half an hour away from the police station? That means you're living in the city ~;)

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 17:51

We have a gun culture. I like it most of the time, except when criminals go crazy. When they do - its the most appropriate time for decent people to embrace the culture.

Gun culture is the wrong term. A gun is like a fishing rod it is supposed to be used for sport. I really dont know anyone who lets there gun define them There cool to shot and cool to hunt with but I don't pop wood every time I see a rifle

ICantSpellDawg

08-22-2008, 18:00

Gun culture is the wrong term. A gun is like a fishing rod it is supposed to be used for sport. I really dont know anyone who lets there gun define them There cool to shot and cool to hunt with but I don't pop wood every time I see a rifle

A gun is a tube of varying lengths that shoots a projectile toward things at a high velocity. It is a tool for doing that. Some are made for sport, some are made for defense, some are made for assault, etc. The second amendment was not put into the constitution so that people could have fun shooting animals or a bullseye, that is merely an enjoyable side effect.

The United States isn't defined by its gun culture, but I don't think it is inaccurate to mention that culture as an aspect of the general national character.

Swords weren't "meant" to be hung next to a shield above a fireplace, but maybe some are now.

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 18:07

A gun is a tube of varying lengths that shoots a projectile toward things at a high velocity. It is a tool for doing that. Some are made for sport, some are made for defense, some are made for assault, etc. The second amendment was not put into the constitution so that people could have fun shooting animals or a bullseye, that is merely an enjoyable side effect.

The United States isn't defined by its gun culture, but I don't think it is inaccurate to mention that culture as an aspect of the general national character.

Swords weren't "meant" to be hung next to a shield above a fireplace, but maybe some are now.

I never said it was. The 2nd amendment is the great equalizer. It is a tool for all those oppressed to rise up and have a fighting chance. However I don't have a gun that says, Use in case of rebellion granted that would be cool

HoreTore

08-22-2008, 18:09

I never said it was. The 2nd amendment is the great equalizer. It is a tool for all those oppressed to rise up and have a fighting chance. However I don't have a gun that says, Use in case of rebellion granted that would be cool

Yes... Because everyone knows that the worst enemy of the armoured brigades, jet fighters and bombers is some random guys armed with rifles... :inquisitive:

Strike For The South

08-22-2008, 18:16

Yes... Because everyone knows that the worst enemy of the armoured brigades, jet fighters and bombers is some random guys armed with rifles... :inquisitive:

By that logic we should be out of Iraq

ICantSpellDawg

08-22-2008, 18:28

By that logic we should be out of Iraq

Exactly. Porcupine quills won't stop people from hunting and eating them, but it is a massive deterrent.

HoreTore

08-22-2008, 19:32

By that logic we should be out of Iraq

Uhm... Are you at all afraid that they may, you know, actually win...?

They're fighting a losing battle, their only hope of victory is that the americans stop caring. And that won't EVER happen in a civil war, that can only happen in a foreign invasion.

EDIT: also, don't you people love calling the terrorists "cowards"...? Are you planning to overthrow an evil tyranny by being cowards?

Goofball

08-22-2008, 20:07

Bollox :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Now then Panzer , can you name a plaec where they also ave armwd guns and where the teachers can shoot pupils ?
I'll give you a hint it is a certan plaec where ameicans recently invaded and struk a deal with a certan local milita involving armed guns in clasrsooms now the latter would seem accpetable to you and all that bolox but when it comes home you start ****** . so then tel me what is the diference ? or have you not thougth your post trouhg maybe ? :laugh4:
now then panzer ... can it be said then that your post is perhaps of the bollox variety ? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Oh, Oh!

I love impressions!

Now do me!

PanzerJaeger

08-22-2008, 22:44

Kralizec

08-22-2008, 23:01

Panzer and Tribesman are in agreement, and HoreTore is arguing that US' victory in Iraq is inevitable...what happened? :inquisitive:

Devastatin Dave

08-23-2008, 00:58

Panzer and Tribesman are in agreement, and HoreTore is arguing that US' victory in Iraq is inevitable...what happened? :inquisitive:

I believe the exploitation of the migrant worker in Texas is the cause of much of this false "need" for the citizen to arm themselves when the government is perfectly capable of protecting the citizens without the use of the misguided 2nd ammendment which was only meant for trained militias. If these schoold were to implement Sharia law, all this would be setteled...

Now I'm off to kill myself...

HoreTore

08-23-2008, 01:24

Panzer and Tribesman are in agreement, and HoreTore is arguing that US' victory in Iraq is inevitable...what happened? :inquisitive:

Haha, well, have I ever said otherwise? :whip:

The questions are at what cost, how to achieve it, what you want it for, what effect it has on other things and lastly whether it should have been done in the first place... ~;)

But there is no way in hell that the resistance movement can achieve anything but attration... And then it's up to the US to decide whether it's worth it or not. They can't be beaten in the "regular" sense, ie fought out of the country.

Alexander the Pretty Good

08-23-2008, 05:06

But there is no way in hell that the resistance movement can achieve anything but attration... And then it's up to the US to decide whether it's worth it or not. They can't be beaten in the "regular" sense, ie fought out of the country.
Firearm ownership won't win a resistance by itself; it merely makes it easier. A civil war would likely split the heavy military equipment anyway, so it's a little silly to think that the whole thing would end like Tienanmen square.