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Ktonos
10-31-2002, 21:41
1. When one of my rulers have very high pious,the pop up text says among others that if this king ask for a religious uprising a great army will be raised from the locals. What does this stand for in game play?

2. When an enemy territory has a religius uprising then the text reads that "a ruler with high pious could take advadange of it"
How?

Does anyone knows about that,or is it just a colourful description?

Kraxis
10-31-2002, 21:44
I don't know about the first...

But I'm pretty sure the second is that the rebels might join a highly pious ruler if they win. You can't really force them, it is the same as normal rebels joining your faction after a few years.

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MonkeyMan
10-31-2002, 21:48
Quote Originally posted by Kraxis:
it is the same as normal rebels joining your faction after a few years.

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I've neveer had that happen to me. Guess i like to put down rebellions too much.

Does anyone have a good description of what piety really does other than defending against the inquisition?

Ktonos
10-31-2002, 21:55
Well I know that if your ruler eg is Catholic and with low piety then your provinces with many catholics and high zeal then its very likely they will have low loyalty.Of course this works and the other way. Now I am not sure but it has a role in diplomacy(apart influence) with other rulers and the Pope.

Teutonic Knight
10-31-2002, 21:56
If a person is leading a crusade the number of people he recruits from the local populaation (and other armies) depends on how high his piety is, and the zeal of the province he's in. So it's not a good idea for a low piety guy to be leading a crusade because people will desert the crusade and fewer people will join the crusade. That's really the thing that piety counts for, other than evading the inquisition.

DojoRat
10-31-2002, 22:08
What effect does piety have on the Byzantines? Almost all my leaders have low or nonexistent piety, which is odd considering the important roll religion played in the empire. What's the point of having the title of patriarch to hand out if there's no benefit.

Just asking.

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Ktonos
10-31-2002, 22:44
The orthodox surely gain/suffer much less from the religion aspect of the game in comparisson to catholics and muslims...but it still has to do with people loyalty.
eg. If you have an emperor with 0 piety and the duke of Greece is someone with 0 piety too,and Greece has 100% orthodox pop. and 100% zeal (well,ok it is the worst situation)then you 'll have to place a garrison of thousands of troops and a fortress to avoid having a major orthodox uprising.

ShaiHulud
10-31-2002, 23:26
My present Danish monarch has zero piety, not even one cross, and he's excommunicated. I'm now required to maintain significantly larger garrisons just to stay above 120 loyalty. My campaigning is at a standstill.
I'd say piety has some pretty important effects, as does the lack of piety! hehe

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Ktonos
11-01-2002, 00:07
Yes.They have done great work with character abilities.
Command : Great effect in battles.

Piety : Province loyalty effect, depending on religius groups and zeal.

Dread : Province loyalty effect and demoralization of enemy units in combat.

Accument : 10% up income for each level of a duke.

Loyalty : The least importand IMHO.The AI never bribes your generals (does it?)

But can anyone plz answer my 1st question?

MizuKokami
11-01-2002, 11:55
maybe a religious rebellion can be bribed cheaper when you are pious. but i would like to know what kind of advantages there are other then that. i did use the portuguese to hinder and keep the almohads busy for awhile, letting them keep portugal, and leaveing him with the portuguease. boy was he screwed. in order to keep it, he had to keep moving forces in, leaveing his other territory weaker. he couldn't attack me from portugal without getting hassled by the portuguese...hehe

Ktonos
11-01-2002, 12:58
By the way nice signature their ShaiHulud. The original script in Ancient Greek goes like this:

"O xein aggelin Lakedemonieis oti tade efi keimetha tois koinon rimasi peithomenoi"

Kraxis
11-01-2002, 18:19
Quote Originally posted by Ktonos:
Dread : Province loyalty effect and demoralization of enemy units in combat.

Loyalty : The least importand IMHO.The AI never bribes your generals (does it?)
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Ok, it has been confirmed that Dread does not affect the battle... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif Apparently longjohn posted this somewhere. Puzz is the one to ask about this.

Loyalty... Don't you know that a low loyalty general might instigate a Civil War against you? Even princes might fight you. I had two Civil Wars in a row as the HRE, first my two princes then my best general. In just two rounds I went from 11 provinces to 3... Naturally I gave up. I had no forces left, no productionfacilities and no income. Btw I was at war with several factions and had an excomm hanging over my head.

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BTW, Danish Crusades are true to history.

You may not care about war, but war cares about you!

ShaiHulud
11-01-2002, 18:53
Ktonos... thank you... I've read several different translations but like this one best.

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O stranger, Go tell the Spartans that we lie here, obedient to their will.....