Command overflow in heirs?

[Tuidjy]

I just finished my first campaign on Expert,
and I noticed something strange. My last
king was the result of a very careful
breeding (or rather assassin assisted
culling) program, and had 9/9/9/9/8 as stats.
One of his command stars came from a virtue:
skilled defender.

All of his heirs, five total, had zero
command (without any bad command vices) and
at least one good valor/moral virtue. In the
previous 200 years, apart from one bad apple
or three, my heirs' stats had been pretty
close to their daddy's. I always kept them
commanding armies in the field, I always
made sure that the best one lived to take
the throne, and I had an unbroken run of
great kings. (Always very low taxes, never
executing rebels, hardly any lost battles,
not a single revolt in a province of mine.)

So, I was quite surprised by the last few
heirs. I can think of two things:
1. Once you are close to winning, all your
leaders turn to shit, including heirs.
2. There is an overflow problem, and sons
of genius roll over to nitwits.

I think that both sucks, and need changing.

[Kraxis]

No, you were just very unlucky.

Just because the king is great doesn't insulate you from bad heirs. Normally I get bad heirs from good kings too, but the good heirs are simply great, you didn't get the good die rolls.

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[magnum]

You might be right about that Kraxis, but I've got a feeling that there is some type of bug occuring. Many times I've had 8 and 9 start kings that have sons that are 8, 9 and 0 stars, all with no bad vices. It just seems very odd that I've actually gotten many more 0 star heirs from 8 and 9 star kings, than I have from 2 and 3 star kings. Something seems fishy if you ask me.

[Odyssey of War]

I believe this is an error when any general has more than a 9 rating. The game seems to dumb down and show 0 instead of 10 or higher. Developers probably didnt think generals would get that high due to the number of battles that would need to be won to get that high. But as we all know, we can get generals that high.

Or this could be a feature within the game to even things out by making sure a once all powerful nation has some bad luck and some bad heirs for a while.

[Papa Bear!]

actually, we don't all know, I've nvr gotten a general that high. 7-8 but only cuss their born that way.

In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a high ranking general advance in rank. (sometimes they get better virtues that help em out), but I've nvr seen 5 roll over to a 6, 6-7, etc. never.

I wonder what that is. Do you have to conquer half the world with the strength of just 1 general? (actually I find that I can't use just 1 general for too long, as they'll quickly end up gluttons and crack brained and all kinds of retarded things that only come out when you're on the road).

do some ppl just have all the luck?

[Kraxis]

I don't know about this...

But I have indeed had Rank 10 generals, not shown of course, only 9 Ranks are visible, but in battle their effect have been there (all of them due to having the Virtue of Expert Attacker +2 Command). But as Murphy's law would dictate, those great generals would soon fall. And so they did, getting very bad Vices to Morale (unhinged Loon and various others)... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

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[Lord_Lenny]

I actually got a rollover from 5 starts and he eventually got up to 9, so i made him Marshal of France http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif (His Name was Lord Jean Poitven, he came about when Portugal was lost to the Elmo's and 2 years later there comes a loyalist rebellion with him in charge!!, so i bribe him to my side and send in the troops!, married him to one of my daughters and now there seem to be a whole lot of Poitven's in command of my armies, and all have royal blood, coincidence??)

[smap1024]

the rollover effect to me is real.

consider this.

6 command (modified or unmodified) i can get 5-8 star heirs.

7 command i can get 6-8 heirs but i am seeing some of those 0 command heirs once in a while already.

8 command its seems abt 50/50. but u can likely to get 8 command guys too though. and with all other stats maxed out will be pretty decent.

9 command to me its like abt 100% u will get 0 command guys to me...yucks.

the rest of the stats dun seem to have that problem.

so my 9/9/6/9 son will almost always inherit. if his first come of age heir starts with 8 command i will fight him in a losing battle to drop to 7 command.

if he starts with 7 command i will drop him to 6 comand perhaps.

if he starts with 6 command that's alrite by me.

note that is to prevent 0 command heirs.

actually late game i dun see the need for so many high command generals since most of the time i need high acumen pple. actually to me u need 1 or 2 or maybe 3? good generals.

and kinda makes the unique generals a bit worthless after u get all this super heirs running http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

but juz in case some assassin comes by...so best to avoid low command high everything else heirs http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif)

[MonkeyMan]

I think this is a minor bug. The s\me happens with heirs, i.e. if you have a nine star king, the usual is for heirs to be like thir father with perhaps 1-2 difference on each stat. 8-9 star kings consistantly have heirs with 8-9 stars and then some with none at all, as if in this case 9+1 = 0.

[magnum]

Yep definately a bug. Last night got a nine star king on the throne. First two sons were the dreaded 0 stars. No bad vices (actually they both had 2 good virtues, Mighty Warrior and something else.) Anyway, wanting to see what would happen, I gathered an army of men (not easy finding 12 units all with no stars) placed the eldest son in charge and sent him off to beat up on a 3000 man rebellion going on in Portugal.

Once the battle started I checked the F1 and indeed, he was acting as a 0 star general on his men. As odd as that is, while he started the battle with an 8 valor, he ended up with a 6 valor (lost 2 valor total) after killing/capturing 372 enemy soldiers... and losing none. So I know it wasn't a matter of losing one or two 'high kill men' from his unit.

Fortunately I have save games of before and after the battle. This definately seems like a bit roll-over bug in the code.


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[HopAlongBunny]

I don't know if there is any pattern.
In the game I am playing now (English) aside from 1 absolutely brilliant king early on, the rest have been terrble.
The year is 1329 and I haven't seen a command rating above 3; I HAVE seen a string of "cracked brain" "perversion" and the like.

[ShaiHulud]

At least you have sons!. My last monarch had 6 daughters, 3 of whom were named Cecelie....lol

I think I'm looking forward to a rebellion that'll bring a solid fighter to the throne.

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