View Full Version : Using loinclothes??
duncan.gill
08-26-2008, 01:18
Does anyone actually use loincloths on the naked units? Always struck me as being a bit odd - you are playing a game where you regularly enslave civilian populations and cut down fleeing enemies but they you would be a bit concerned about a bit of nudity??
I don't.
However, I believe there are legal things tied to this. However, I do agree on the point that the ESRB ratings and such are very hypocritical. Of course you can have the right to mercilessly slaughter entire populations, but tiny bits of nudity are immediately banned. That's why Oblivion got 16+ instead of 13+.
Some people don't like to play with male genitalia waving about in their face. Enslavement and mass slaughter are common concepts in a game and people are aware that this is so. Non-sexual nudity, however, can be a cause of revulsion in some or just not a welcome addition to a game to another. We add the option because we realise that there are a variety of people out there and we wish to cater to as many as possible.
Also mums might be a bit put-off if they find their young son or daughter ordering fully naked men around a battlefield. Interactive porn or something, right?
Foot
satalexton
08-26-2008, 01:44
world's full of hypocrites and soccer-moms, funny how life can make people so stupid...=/
duncan.gill
08-26-2008, 02:02
I can understand (and also think that it is a good idea) that the EB team put in the option given the way that some people think - however I also think that it is somewhat odd/sad that there are people out there who think that way.
Why should nudity be more off putting than mass murder? (and yet it is)
We shall fwee...Wodewick
08-26-2008, 02:12
It's because you are removed from the slaughter. You click a button and thousands of women and children are taken of the population tally. Naked men however, you see showing off their full glory and tangling it in front of your face.
If you saw thousands of people being killed, it might change things, but those keen to shield themselves or their children from 'obscene' things that 1/2 the world has would never accept it.
Aemilius Paulus
08-26-2008, 03:53
Male genitalia does not seem as bad as massacring entire populations. Having less violence and more sexuality in today's movies would probably be better than having the 300-style senseless, unhistorical gore for 117 minutes straight (watched it while flying on the KLM and quit on about the 30th minute). The movie was just horrible. Nothing but slashing, stabbing and blood for almost entire duration of the flick. Then again, sexual perversion is definitely a useless and negative trait, albeit being less perilous, while violence is vital for variety of professions, soldier being among the most notable ones.
Anyway, I have actually turned on the censoring for one time, just to see how Gaesatae and other nudist/naturist units look with the "culture norms" imposed upon them. The loincloths looked quite fake and unnatural on them - and its not just because I was used to seeing Gaesatae with their nature's gifts flaunted in all their glory :laugh4:. The loincloths looked just as if they were drawn by some government censor. Historical accuracy is what I value the most in EB, being a nerd and a history buff that I am (with graphics and the awesome campaign map in the second place). Sticking loincloths to the naked soldiers is just not historically precise and that corrupts the original EB purpose.
Aemilius Paulus
08-26-2008, 03:55
Also mums might be a bit put-off if they find their young son or daughter ordering fully naked men around a battlefield. Interactive porn or something, right?
Foot
:laugh4:
Crazed Rabbit
08-26-2008, 04:29
The whole 'but we slaughter vast populations' comparison is not apt. None of that is shown; the violence shown in game is very subdue compared to real war. Only if people were objecting to the text on the unit card saying "these men don't wear trousers" or whatever would the comparison be appropriate.
Who would want to see their soldiers in game slaughtering and cutting down the pixelated peasants as they ran in terror? No, we don't see that, the game shields us from it, and I don't see people clamoring for being able to see peasants being slaughtered for historical realism.
I don't like films like Saw with gratuitous gore and I'm not keen on having a bunch of naked men running around my monitor either. There's a lot of historically realistic stuff not depicted in the game; it's not like having a loincloth patch is the last bastion of ahistorical content in the game. We're playing a game, there's no need to subject one's self to something you don't want to for the sake of "realism".
CR
phonicsmonkey
08-26-2008, 06:06
....tangling it in front of your face.
Ouch! :dizzy2:
Who would want to see their soldiers in game slaughtering and cutting down the pixelated peasants as they ran in terror? No, we don't see that, the game shields us from it, and I don't see people clamoring for being able to see peasants being slaughtered for historical realism.
It's quite fun in Mount&Blade. :laugh4:
No matter how gratuitous the violence, no matter how real the graphics, no matter how sinister the content, these are not real people who are getting hurt. As long as you understand that, it's all good fun.
Crazed Rabbit
08-26-2008, 07:03
Oh certainly. And good point about M&B...
But even when I know it's not real, like in movies, I cringe when I see a very gory scene.
CR
General Appo
08-26-2008, 07:20
I have never played with the loincloths on, I´ve just never seen any reason. Too me they´re a just like every unit, I don´t really think about their lack of pants. Only annoying thing about them is that on another forum I have to place these crotchdots on them when I have pics of them in my AAR. Annoying moderators back there.
satalexton
08-26-2008, 07:43
see what i tell ya? the world's turning nazi D=
Aemilius Paulus
08-26-2008, 12:33
Only annoying thing about them is that on another forum I have to place these crotchdots on them when I have pics of them in my AAR. Annoying moderators back there.
Huh? I've seen Gaesatae fully naked in numerous AARs and screenshots, right on these forums.
General Appo
08-26-2008, 12:46
That´s why I said another forum. Here I could probably get away without them, but as a special service to my readers I give them both the censored and uncensored versions.
Aemilius Paulus
08-26-2008, 13:24
That´s why I said another forum. Here I could probably get away without them, but as a special service to my readers I give them both the censored and uncensored versions.
Are there any other EB forums except for TWC and this one? I am not even sure if they have an EB section in TWC.
Dangling penises is the only reason I play this game :D
AlexanderSextus
08-26-2008, 16:46
Dangling penises is the only reason I play this game :D
As we say here in New Jersey, "O NAH!!!!" :sweatdrop:
Tristuskhan
08-26-2008, 16:52
Loinclothes?
OMG never, I'm too scared my Tindanotae could overheat.
General Appo
08-26-2008, 18:16
Are there any other EB forums except for TWC and this one? I am not even sure if they have an EB section in TWC.
In addition to posting it here, I post my AAR over at the official TW forums, or the .commie as we call it there. And at that particular forum screenshots of pixeled maled genitalia are prohibited, and as such in order to post any screenshots of Gaesatae there I need to add crotch dots to cover up the one-eyed snakes. Not that annoying though, it´s worth it.
Andronikos
08-26-2008, 18:50
It also makes your Carthaginaian and Bactrian generals shield covered with an ugly piece of cloth. That is another reason why not play with that patch.
I can't believe how frightened some people are of penises. At least half of us have one.
Dutchhoplite
08-26-2008, 19:27
I don't use them...
Luckily there are no naked troops from Lesbos. Imagine how they would look :sweatdrop:
(And the amounts of cloth needed)
Visitor13
08-26-2008, 21:26
Unfortunately the EB team has to comply with the fact that genitals are still forbidden in numerous homes and countries.
Unfortunately the EB team has to comply with the fact that genitals are still forbidden in numerous homes and countries.
:laugh4: Those countries must have a population of 0 in a generation or so...
I admit I have the loinclothes activated (ye, I'm a German, and no, sexual themes in public are far less considered concernible than in many other countries), because I don't like "to play with male genitalia waving about in my face." as Foot wrote so well.:juggle2:
It's just a little bit disgusting and actually creepy seeing hundreds of penis guys charging into your troops...:inquisitive:
Especially grants you VERY weird looks if any of your friends - or even worse - one of your family members actually sees you playing a game with penis soldiers running around.... Naah, not really necessary.:sweatdrop::laugh4:
The horror. A penis.
The horror.
when there's someone close I just avoid zooming too much :smash:
but I agree those loin clothes are like... like... censorship ...no kidding <.<
they take part of the escence...
personal likes I guess >.>
It also makes your Carthaginaian and Bactrian generals shield covered with an ugly piece of cloth.
???
Why is that? I've never noticed penises on their shields before... But then I've probably never looked that close before.
TWFanatic
08-27-2008, 12:54
Oh they are much better than that...
I mean that purely in an artistical sense of course.
Tollheit
08-27-2008, 15:11
here is the Baktrian general's shield design:
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/9/9/17/f_shieldbaktrm_077422e.jpg
Tellos Athenaios
08-27-2008, 15:42
Well as QK proved it can come in handy when roleplaying. See the World According to the Royal Pontic Satrapy of Ankyra.
well, I personally find the sight, or even the mere idea, of naked poeple charging at me troops terrifying to say the least. call me crazy, but there is just something scary about a naked dude whose stoned and wants to kill the enemy in that state.
that said, I do not play with the loincloth on. I let them charge as they were.:wall::wall:
and I really do not care whether we should have a modesty patch or not.
btw i found out when u have sensorship on and a unit falls down you see an upskirt I WAS NOT LLOKING ON PURPOSE! :)
Visitor13
08-27-2008, 23:06
here is the Baktrian general's shield design:
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/9/9/17/f_shieldbaktrm_077422e.jpg
Soooo... what do you call that? A three- and one-eighthsome...?
I was just surprised to discover that Dionysus conquered Bactria with two Maenads and some asparagus.
I understand the reason for the modesty patch although I do consider that it is a double standard of modern western society that you can have a game where you do kill thousands, but you better not see their bits.
This is no fault of the EB team of course. I do have to wonder about people who use enough of them that the casual observer notices them on the battlefield though.
Tollheit
08-28-2008, 00:24
Asparagus? Those are thyrsoi. A thyrsos consists of a stalk of giant fennel, topped with a pine cone.
General Appo
08-28-2008, 06:59
This is no fault of the EB team of course. I do have to wonder about people who use enough of them that the casual observer notices them on the battlefield though.
My mother once witnessed the Gaesatae in action. I explained to her that these guys fought naked and this is a mod that focuses on historical accuracy in all its forms. She accepted.
I think my mom is cool sometimes. :shame:
satalexton
08-28-2008, 08:20
=P did she like them gaesatae boys?
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