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Devastatin Dave
09-02-2008, 22:45
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92UNP9O0&show_article=1
Good Lord, how embarrasing. Does she not realise that this was neccessary to end a war the Japan CAUSED? If we had invaded mainland Japan many, many more soldiers and civilians would have died. What an idiot of a woman. Of couse I'm sure I am the minority here and I'm sure that many of you would agree with her treasonous actions. Maybe she'll go to Germany next and apologize to any Nazis still breathing for the harsh treatment towards their "accident" of starting WW2. Is there a medication for excessive liberalism?
Discuss...
Okay, I've read the article twice now, and maybe I'm going blind and senile simultaneously, but where does the "consorting" happen? She laid a wreath and wouldn't speak to reporters. She didn't apologize or in any way suggest that we shouldn't have used a nuke. You can kill someone in self-defense and still feel bad about it, after all.
Anyway, if you could clarify your treachery/blame-America-first line of thought, maybe we can talk about it. As it stands, you're just confusing me. Can't you attack Madonna or something?
Well, I didn't read anything about was t necesary or not. She didn't apologise for the bombs (poor Nagasaki always forgotten). She just gave her hommage to the victims. Fair enought. It doesn't mean it was not necessary, at these time...
Mikeus Caesar
09-02-2008, 23:06
Heaven forbid she lay wreathes at a memorial in memory of 100,000 civilians who got killed by the most terrible weapon to ever grace the planet...
Dave, go put your tinfoil hat back on and carry on sitting in the corner muttering about liberal conspiracies. This is just silly.
Devastatin Dave
09-02-2008, 23:21
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Dave, go put your tinfoil hat back on and carry on sitting in the corner muttering about liberal conspiracies. .
But I look really cute in it, plus I just bought some matching red rubby slippers.
In other words, Dave's got a big pocket full of nothin'. Can some Backroom Mod please lock this thread and put it out of its misery? And maybe ship it off to the glue factory while you're at it.
Yeah I'm going to agree with Lemur here. Hell I'd feel pretty damn bad if I had to order a nuclear strike on another nation. Although maybe necessary, it still doesn't hurt to honor those who were killed.
paying their respects at a memorial to the Hiroshima bombing
She actually wanted to pay respects to the people who were killed in the bombing? Treason I say! Treason!
Really Dave, do you think paying respects to dead Wermacht soldiers is also Neo-Nazi treason?
And besides, Japan is not the enemy. Unless your views are aligned with xenophobia. Damn Japanese....with their....cars!
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 01:26
I don't think the thread needs to be locked. It would have been more appropriate to go to the USS Arizona and lay flowers there. It was the US that was attacked by the Japanese. She should remember which country she is suppose to represent.
I don't think the thread needs to be locked. It would have been more appropriate to go to the USS Arizona and lay flowers there. It was the US that was attacked by the Japanese. She should remember which country she is suppose to represent.
You think it's treasonous to pay respects to innocent civilians who were killed in an atomic attack? You make me sick.
Gregoshi
09-03-2008, 01:34
Is there a medication for excessive liberalism?
Discuss...
Why Dave? Did you overdose on it? ~;)
It would have been more appropriate to go to the USS Arizona and lay flowers there. It was the US that was attacked by the Japanese. She should remember which country she is suppose to represent.
Yeah, while visiting Japan she should really avoid doing anything there which she could do in a more patriotic fashion in America. Why is she eating sushi? She should fly back to L.A. and have a real, American hamburger. Treasonous witch!
And while we're at it, could you please define "convort" for the kids at home? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it ain't a word.
Crazed Rabbit
09-03-2008, 01:57
Heaven forbid she lay wreathes at a memorial in memory of 100,000 civilians who got killed by the most terrible weapon to ever grace the planet...
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Um, I think what we and the Russkies have got now makes that look like child's play.
And I won't go as far as Dave does; she didn't apologize or anything, and I think it's alright to regret having to kill a person, even if it was for a righteous cause.
CR
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 02:18
You think it's treasonous to pay respects to innocent civilians who were killed in an atomic attack? You make me sick.
I'm glad I do. The "innocent" civilians were complacent about the horrors of their regime. The "innocent" civilians were trained (man, woman, child) to defend to the DEATH the homeland. It took the bomb to save more of their lives then it would have with an invasion. How hard is that for you to grasp?
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 02:21
And while we're at it, could you please define "convort" for the kids at home? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it ain't a word.
You're right, its a word that sounds like that but it means to "hang out and frolic" with a group. Can you clue me in professor? I was going to say sell out, but that would have been outragous!!!:laugh4:
I'm glad I do. The "innocent" civilians were complacent about the horrors of their regime. The "innocent" civilians were trained (man, woman, child) to defend to the DEATH the homeland. It took the bomb to save more of their lives then it would have with an invasion. How hard is that for you to grasp?
It's hard for me to grasp how you find paying respects to dead civilians is akin to treason. How do YOU know these people supported the regime? They were leading regular lives, paying jobs, they had families.
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 02:25
How do YOU know these people supported the regime? They .
Talk to any participant of the Bataan death march, IndoChina, Koreans, or any other group that have the misfortune of being heighbors with the Japanese. What the nation of Japan did to its neighbors makes Adolf Hitler look like Mr Rogers on prozac.
Talk to any participant of the Bataan death march, IndoChina, Koreans, or any other group that have the misfortune of being heighbors with the Japanese. What the nation of Japan did to its neighbors makes Adolf Hitler look like Mr Rogers on prozac.
Ha. You said these civilians were trained to defend to the death, now you're talking about the Bataan death march. What the Imperial Regime did during the war is inexcusible, however, paying respects to civilians who were killed in an atomic attack is not treason, and you're making yourself out to be a Tojo in your xenophobia.
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 02:43
Tojo in your xenophobia.
That sounds yummy, can I have a side order of rice with that?
I like that, can I have a side order of rice with that?
You make me sick.
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 02:52
You make me sick.
I'm not a big fan of tojo, but its probably great in xenophobia, you make me hungry!!!:laugh4:
Banquo's Ghost
09-03-2008, 07:14
Gentlemen,
Threads do not get locked because of flights of fancy, but they do because of provocation and personal insults.
Please play nicely together.
Thank you kindly.
:bow:
CountArach
09-03-2008, 07:44
Yeah I'm going to agree with Lemur here. Hell I'd feel pretty god damn bad if I had to order a nuclear strike on another nation. Although maybe necessary, it still doesn't hurt to honor those who were killed.
Yup, my thoughts exactly.
The greatest show on earth, how very sincere :juggle2:
Big_John
09-03-2008, 09:23
SwedishFish,
https://i34.tinypic.com/9sures.jpg
Mikeus Caesar
09-03-2008, 10:06
https://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3408/1192392913251xf4.jpg
The Japanese civilians were evil monsters and not humans. I rest my case. :clown:
KukriKhan
09-03-2008, 14:06
And while we're at it, could you please define "convort" for the kids at home? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it ain't a word.
In fine american tradition, our Dave combined 'cavort' with 'consort' and came up (unconsiously) with a new word. I for one heartily support convort's entry into the OED (Am Slang ed).
Con-vort (v): to prance about while conspiring.
:laugh4::laugh4:
p.s. Dave, I disagree. War dead is war dead, no matter which side they were on. Laying a wreath honors the sacrifice, not the politics. In my opinion.
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 16:17
https://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3408/1192392913251xf4.jpg
:2thumbsup:
Louis VI the Fat
09-03-2008, 17:28
Dave the troll? Dave's right, that's what he is. This was a very poor show by Pelosi.
Japan refuses to accept its role as one of the main instigators of WWII, and as one of the worst commiters of war atrocities. No official apologies, and deplorably little in the way of acceptance of responsibilities. On the contrary, the 'Japanese' version of history is focused on Japan as victim, with a central role for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It is within this context that Pelosi's visit must be regarded. The US government should not accept Japan's 'revisionist' history as final. Instead, Pelosi should've ceased the opportunity for violent verbal protest. As long as the Japanese government persists in calling teenage victims of mass rape 'whores', then no high ranking official of any of the countries that suffered from Japanese aggression should be foolish enough to fall for this trap. The trap being, that Pelosi thinks she is acting in a narrative of reconcilliation, of peace-making / celebrating, of acceptance of mutual atrocities. While instead, her visit is seen domestically (in Japan) within a very different narrative: that of America slowly coming to terms with WWII as an act of American agression, of Hiroshima as a the pivotal war crime of the century.
Strike For The South
09-03-2008, 17:30
Dave the troll? Dave's right, that's what he is. This was a very poor show by Pelosi.
Japan refuses to accept its role as one of the main instigators of WWII, and as one of the worst commiters of war atrocities. No official apologies, and deplorably little in the way of acceptance of responsibilities. On the contrary, the 'Japanese' version of history is focused on Japan as victim, with a central role for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It is within this context that Pelosi's visit must be regarded. The US government should not accept Japan's 'revisionist' history as final. Instead, Pelosi should've ceased the opportunity for violent verbal protest. As long as the Japanese government persists in calling teenage victims of mass rape 'whores', then no high ranking official of any of the countries that suffered from Japanese aggression should be foolish enough to fall for this trap. The trap being, that Pelosi thinks she is acting in a narrative of reconcilliation, of peace-making / celebrating, of acceptance of mutual atrocities. While instead, her visit is seen domestically (in Japan) within a very different narrative: that of America slowly coming to terms with WWII as an act of American agression, of Hiroshima as a the pivotal war crime of the century.
communist
But a communist with a half a point.
HoreTore
09-03-2008, 17:52
But a communist with a half a point.
Nah, he's no communist, but... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfX_2G9i6w)
Sarmatian
09-03-2008, 18:05
Well, I'd say that Nagasaki is worst war crime than Hiroshima. Dropped only three days after Hiroshima. Three days weren't nearly long enough, especially when you consider the state of Japanese Army near the end of the war, to fully understand what terrible weapon the US have and react appropriately.
If we agree that first bomb in some perverse way saved more both American and Japanese lives, US should have waited some more before they dropped another one.
But, it wasn't only about saving lives. Russians steamrolled Japanese in Manchuria and would have probably tried to mount an invasion of their own. That would result in Japan coming into their sphere of influence or being divided between the two at best. So by dropping the bombs, US made sure that:
1. they saved lives of American soldiers
2. Japan doesn't become communist
3. they don't have to move troops away from Europe
4. they tried out their new weapon
5. they demonstrated the power of the weapon they have to the Soviets
In combination of these factors the reason why bombs were dropped should be sought, but to say that US dropped the bombs solely to save lives of Japanese soldiers and civilians along with lives of American soldiers is an insult not just to the victims but to intelligence of any sane man.
Counter point:
The US had been cajoling the Soviets to declare war on Japan and invade Manchuria since 1943. Uncle Joe refused until there was a western European front. And even after there was he put it off till after Germany was defeated.
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 18:26
Thanks Louis...
San Fran Nan legtitimises the actions of the Japanese by doing this. You don't go laying wreths on the Tomb of the Unknown Nazi, do you?
Louis VI the Fat
09-03-2008, 18:31
communist
Nah, he's no communist, but... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfX_2G9i6w)Now I don't care what people think about my preference for dipping my tojo in Dave's rice bowl, but I am not a commie!! :furious3:
Thanks Louis...Sure, toots. ~:flirt:
I'll yet seduce you away from Lemur's clutches. I bet I've got more chest hair than him. :biker:
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 18:41
Now I don't care what people think about my preference for dipping my tojo in Dave's rice bowl, but I am not a commie!! :furious3:
Sure, toots. ~:flirt:
I'll yet seduce you away from Lemur's clutches. I bet I've got more chest hair than him. :biker:
Now that's hot, if you got leather chaps, Lemurs a didstnat memory!!!
Now I don't care what people think about my preference for dipping my tojo in Dave's rice bowl, but I am not a commie!! :furious3:
Sure, toots. ~:flirt:
I'll yet seduce you away from Lemur's clutches. I bet I've got more chest hair than him. :biker:
A more hairy chest than a lemur; that's certainly impressive.
I do agree with Louis about Japanese Revisionism.:yes:
However, to pay a silent tribute to a very place where a new area of terror started has nothing to do with the Japanese war crimes (Death marches, rapes, slaughter and others).
To acknowledge the price paid by a nation crazy enough to follow blind nationalism mixed with years of bushido brain wash brought this ultimate price to pay, regardless if victims were innocent or not.
It could be considered as a warning. Do not play with this. Don’t do it again…:whip:
Oh for crying out loud, she laid a wreath for those who died in the Hiroshima blast. Was Hinroshima a military base? No it was not. Was it populated with Toho's finest soldiers? No it was not. It was an industrial city that had been largely spared from our bombing campaign. Most of the people who died were civilians.
Was the bomb necessary? Hell yes. Did it save lives by preventing an invasion of Japan? Hell yes. Is it okay to also feel remorse for nuking thousands of civilians? Yes, it is.
I can't believe this non-issue has made it to page two.
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 22:04
I can't believe this non-issue has made it to page two.
You should pillow talk your buddy BG a little better and maybe he'll lock it for you. :beam:
Strike For The South
09-03-2008, 22:28
You should pillow talk your buddy BG a little better and maybe he'll lock it for you. :beam:
facist
Tribesman
09-03-2008, 22:40
facist
Convorter .
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 22:44
Now, now Strike and Tribsey, no need in name calling, how about adding something to the conversation. Strike, when was the last time you laid flowers at Santa Anna's grave? Tribsey, you forgot your:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Strike For The South
09-03-2008, 22:56
Santa anna was a fascist dictator who suppressed the peaceful anglos who lived in Tejas y Chouilla We just wanted slaves!!!! Screw Mexico's constitution! We want slaves!!
Tribesman
09-03-2008, 22:57
how about adding something to the conversation.
A conversation ?
Damn I thought a conversation usually started with something meaningful .
San Fran Nan convorts with the enemy again...
Sorry Dave it appears the conversation is based on some crazy georgian gobbledegook that only you in your small personal world can understand .:yes:
Devastatin Dave
09-03-2008, 23:15
Santa anna was a fascist dictator who suppressed the peaceful anglos who lived in Tejas y Chouilla We just wanted slaves!!!! Screw Mexico's constitution! We want slaves!!
But what about all the Mexicans you Texans slaughtered in the name of "Remember the Alamo" I find your lack of understanding the plight of Santa Anna's cause disturbing, you should really consider flowers, maybe San Fran Nan can give you a lift...
Strike For The South
09-03-2008, 23:17
But what about all the Mexicans you Texans slaughtered in the name of "Remember the Alamo" I find your lack of understanding the plight of Santa Anna's cause disturbing, you should really consider flowers, maybe San Fran Nan can give you a lift...
Its not my fault they were napping
Sarmatian
09-03-2008, 23:36
Counter point:
The US had been cajoling the Soviets to declare war on Japan and invade Manchuria since 1943. Uncle Joe refused until there was a western European front. And even after there was he put it off till after Germany was defeated.
Moscow declaration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Declaration)
In the section Joint Four-Nation Declaration, the governments of the United States of America, United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, and China, in accordance with the declaration by the United Nations of January, 1942, and subsequent declarations, to continue hostilities against those Axis powers with which they respectively are at war until such powers have laid down their arms on the basis of unconditional surrender. They also recognize the necessity of establishing at the earliest practicable date a general international organization (the United Nation), based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all peace-loving states, and open to membership by all such states, large and small, for the maintenance of international peace and security.
Soviet Union wasn't at war with Japan until 8 August 1945. The deal was to declare war on Japan once Germany is defeated. That coincided well with Europe first (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_first) strategy of the US and UK.
Banquo's Ghost
09-04-2008, 09:43
You should pillow talk your buddy BG a little better and maybe he'll lock it for you. :beam:
Unlike some I could mention, Dave, I would never mess with another man's furry. :wink:
Thanks Louis...
San Fran Nan legtitimises the actions of the Japanese by doing this. You don't go laying wreths on the Tomb of the Unknown Nazi, do you?
Nobody goes around laying wreaths for the unknown nazi....but I would have no problem with someone for example laying a wreath at Dresden for what happened there......it has nothing to to with honoring Nazis or the WW2 Japanese government.
claiming that this is supportive of a pro-japan stance concerning WW2 is just ridiculous.
Tribesman
09-04-2008, 12:11
Good point Ronin , say for example there was this head of State whose home was bombed by the Germans and who served in the services in the war , say for example her partner had his country ravaged by the Nazis during WWII and he fought aginst them in that war . Wouldn't it be really shocking and treasonous for them to lay a wreath for all those killed in that war , perhaps in a place that some people try and call the scene of a war crime , then to top it all off gave money to help finance rebuilding the damage that their states forces did .
It would be outrageous wouldn't it , if you was a complete muppet who was so wrapped in the flag that you couldn't see through the cloth anymore ...but to normal people who are able to think it is .....well nothing really , nothing at all apart from perhaps the head of state showing a level of maturity that your average culchie could never comprehend let alone be able to attain .
But what about all the Mexicans you Texans slaughtered in the name of "Remember the Alamo" I find your lack of understanding the plight of Santa Anna's cause disturbing, you should really consider flowers, maybe San Fran Nan can give you a lift...
Dave - you forget your faith. Forgiveness, love and understanding should be at the centre of your life. Not revenge, self-rightousness and hatred.
If you or I had been raising a family in Imperial Japan during the war, we would have done what we were told and prayed to survive. People in other times and other parts of the world aren't aliens. They wake up and stare out from a pair of eyes like yours and mine.
Not revenge, self-rightousness and hatred.
Oh common Dave never claimed he is a socialist.
CountArach
09-05-2008, 12:40
Oh common Dave never claimed he is a socialist.
https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r44/CountArach/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg
MUHA! We finally numbed the *beep* out of that socialist skull of yours, see? Humor has replaced MORAL OUTRAGE I salute you beer is on me :bow:
Thanks Louis...
San Fran Nan legtitimises the actions of the Japanese by doing this. You don't go laying wreths on the Tomb of the Unknown Nazi, do you?
An act of war is always the final phase of a proces where nobody is really innocent, japan isn't america isn't. I don't know if what she does would be seen as accepting the japanese version of history but I can't really blame the japanese civilians for feeling like a victim. I just think it's tasteless what she did it simply isn't necesary, but I guess the democrats feel need to show how international their policy is and that of course has nothing to do with the elections.
Edit, lol double post orgjunkie
Devastatin Dave
09-05-2008, 15:14
Dave - you forget your faith. Forgiveness, love and understanding should be at the centre of your life. Not revenge, self-rightousness and hatred.
If you or I had been raising a family in Imperial Japan during the war, we would have done what we were told and prayed to survive. People in other times and other parts of the world aren't aliens. They wake up and stare out from a pair of eyes like yours and mine.
Good point, thank you for your rational and measured response. Judging from WHO laid the flowers down, I was quick to assume it was just old San Fran Hating America Nan at her usual antics of blaming her own country for all the worlds ills and filth. Maybe you are right. Thanks Idaho.
Tribesman
09-05-2008, 19:31
Good point, thank you for your rational and measured response. Judging from WHO laid the flowers down, I was quick to assume it was just old San Fran Hating America Nan at her usual antics of blaming her own country for all the worlds ills and filth. Maybe you are right. Thanks Idaho.
Bloody hell , and there was me thinking you had completely forgotten what your pastor told you about you "outrage on the internet" problem .
Well done Dave:2thumbsup:
Devastatin Dave
09-06-2008, 00:58
Bloody hell , and there was me thinking you had completely forgotten what your pastor told you about you "outrage on the internet" problem .
Well done Dave:2thumbsup:
I thought you knew, I'm no longer involved in organized religion. I was reying on common decency reinforced by Idaho's post.
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