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Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-07-2008, 17:34
Please vote in the poll only if you know what the parties are up to, and not because of an idealogical slant. You can read more about the parties here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_parties_in_Canada) The ones currently represented in the House of Commons are really the only parties with a chance of continuing to get seats, and the Conservatives and the Liberals are more or less the only parties with a chance of winning the election, though a minority government is possible.
Canadian Election Called For October 14th
The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080907.welxnharper0907/BNStory/Front/home)
I would vote for the Conservative Party, personally. I think they're doing the right thing by keeping Canadian troops in Afghanistan and helping the Canadian military (which desperately needed money and supplies), they passed the Federal Accountability Act, support reform of the Senate (which will make it more democratic), and are trying to keep good relations with America (rather than the anti-American attitude propagated by Liberals to get votes) as well as having lowered the GST (a tax every Canadian pays on a regular basis - you pay it more or less every time you buy something from a store - which Harper cut from 7% to 5%). With all this done in only two years, and with a minority in the House, I think they've done a good job.
Polling indicates that most Canadians seem to favour the Conservatives.
CountArach
09-07-2008, 22:58
I've read about the parties and I find the NDP to be the best party in Canada.
KukriKhan
09-07-2008, 23:04
I've read about the parties and I find the Liberal Party to be the best party for Canada.
And their American neighbors. :)
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-07-2008, 23:09
I've read about the parties and I find the Liberal Party to be the best party for Canada.
I disagree, as the Conservatives have done a pretty good job so far, but I digress...
And their American neighbors. :)
Not a chance about this part. The Liberal Party basically, historically and now, tries to stick it to the Americans whenever they can in favour of "Canadian independence/sovereignty" (which is basically just raw nationalism) instead of working with America - which, interestingly, would probably do a heck of a lot more for Canadian sovereignty. If the Liberals or NDP get into power, there are good odds that America will have to do a heck of a lot more work in Afghanistan.
I'll be voting for the NDP. Like always. I am not a swing voter. Also I don't trust the Conservatives. Harper is a dork who has no clue how to deal with the press. And his caucus is full of whacko blue Tory right wingers. Now Harper has done a fair job of keeping these guys under wraps for 4 years now. But with a majority he might not feel the need to keep these people under control.
Now Maniac there is something you should know about Canadian politics. The best governments we have are minority governmets. They get the most done legislatively. Their accountability is better. And leadership from them is better too. Their lack of a majority of seats means they have to work better and the threat of being voted out means the cabinet has more reason to do a good job. The best possible results from this election would be another minority IMO.
I don't know much about Canadian politics, but it must be nice to vote for more than 2 parties.
The ones Maniac listed were the ones with seats in Parliment. There are over a dozen ones that are officially registered that don't have seats, like the Communits parties (that's right two), and other reguional/special intrest parties.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-08-2008, 00:18
The ones Maniac listed were the ones with seats in Parliment. There are over a dozen ones that are officially registered that don't have seats, like the Communits parties (that's right two), and other reguional/special intrest parties.
Yes. I only listed the ones who can realistically win seats in the House of Commons.
Now Maniac there is something you should know about Canadian politics.
Lived in Canada for a long time without being Canadian. Gives you a wonderfully uncluttered perspective on things like America and Canadian nationalism. ~;)
I generally agree with the point you've made, but the current government I think can be trusted with a majority.
I'm not ready to trust Harper with a majority. I don't know if I'd trust Layton (NDP leader) or Dion (Liberal leader) with one either to be honest. :laugh4:
Lived in Canada for a long time without being Canadian. Gives you a wonderfully uncluttered perspective on things like America and Canadian nationalism.
I'm not so blind that I can't see how our nationalism works. Quite subtle mostly, it can creep in where you least expect it. Especailly when it comes to dealing with the US. Want to see a Canadians nationalism? Talk to then about the US. :laugh4:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-08-2008, 00:45
I'm not ready to trust Harper with a majority. I don't know if I'd trust Layton (NDP leader) or Dion (Liberal leader) with one either to be honest. :laugh4:
I certainly wouldn't trust Dion with one, and Layton doesn't seem to have a chance at forming a government any time in the near future. The thing that really gets to me about minority governments are when Grand Coalitions occur, like with the SPD and CDU in Germany.
I'm not so blind that I can't see how our nationalism works. Quite subtle mostly, it can creep in where you least expect it. Especailly when it comes to dealing with the US. Want to see a Canadians nationalism? Talk to then about the US.
It depends where you are, I suppose. In rural Ontario, where I spend/spent most of my time in Canada, the populace seems to be a little more reasonable when it comes to America. The problem I see is that most Canadians will not admit how much they really need America, or recognize this but hate America anyways. It doesn't help that the Canadian media and the Liberal Party like to blame things on America whenever they can. Some countries can safely be nationalist, and some countries need nationalism. Canada needs nationalism (Quebec), but it also needs to know where to limit it (America).
What's Canada?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
Canada (IPA: /ˈkænədə/) is a country occupying most of northern North America, extending from the Atlantic Ocean in the east to the Pacific Ocean in the west and northward into the Arctic Ocean. It is the world's second largest country by total area,[2] and shares land borders with the United States to the south and northwest.
:book:
:balloon2:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-08-2008, 02:41
Whoever voted for the Bloc had better own up, because you're scaring me. :dizzy2:
I certainly wouldn't trust Dion with one, and Layton doesn't seem to have a chance at forming a government any time in the near future. The thing that really gets to me about minority governments are when Grand Coalitions occur, like with the SPD and CDU in Germany.
Dion seems to have this carbon tax his ticket. For no other reason than peer pressure. I kid you not. A pro-liberal opinion piece I read a few weeks back said we should have a carbon tax "cause everyone else is doing it." :whip: Honestly I vote for the NDP not only cause they fit my views mostly, but :daisy: like this that permiates the big two.
And yes recent politics isn't the home of coalitions. They did exist in the 60's. The Liberals and NDP formed one.
It depends where you are, I suppose. In rural Ontario, where I spend/spent most of my time in Canada, the populace seems to be a little more reasonable when it comes to America. The problem I see is that most Canadians will not admit how much they really need America, or recognize this but hate America anyways. It doesn't help that the Canadian media and the Liberal Party like to blame things on America whenever they can. Some countries can safely be nationalist, and some countries need nationalism. Canada needs nationalism (Quebec), but it also needs to know where to limit it (America).
Well a lot of the anger and angst is because we are so economically dependant on the US. That anything good or bad that happens there effects us (and Mexico) before most everyone else.
Crazed Rabbit
09-08-2008, 06:09
Well a lot of the anger and angst is because we are so economically dependant on the US. That anything good or bad that happens there effects us (and Mexico) before most everyone else.
And obviously the answer to that is to have your lawmakers through little tantrums in parliament.
CR
Banquo's Ghost
09-08-2008, 06:56
And obviously the answer to that is to have your lawmakers through little tantrums in parliament.
CR
C'mon CR, every nation's lawmakers throw tantrums about countries they are economically dependent on. Take Iraq, for example. :wink:
Crazed Rabbit
09-08-2008, 07:07
No, I mean, literally, like a child throws a tantrum. (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Carolyn+Parrish+Bush+doll&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#)
CR
Banquo's Ghost
09-08-2008, 07:26
No, I mean, literally, like a child throws a tantrum. (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Carolyn+Parrish+Bush+doll&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#)
:inquisitive:
Okay. I mean, that's a tantrum? Where's parliament? Looks to me like a sad MP trying to be funny on a comedy news show.
Now, this is a tantrum in the legislature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUR5VoGcM4&feature=related). And just to show we live in a newly bipolar world where the Russians are just as good as anyone else, I present the Top Banana (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmneBvV8cLs&feature=related) in finest debating style.
:beam:
Hosakawa Tito
09-08-2008, 14:16
I'm not so blind that I can't see how our nationalism works. Quite subtle mostly, it can creep in where you least expect it. Especailly when it comes to dealing with the US. Want to see a Canadians nationalism? Talk to then about the US. :laugh4:
Boy, ain't that the truth.:laugh4: Where I live in Western New York we are cheek to jowl with our Canadian neighbors. Our local economic interests are especially co-dependant. Unfortunately our governments can't seem to agree on the details for an inspection plaza site for a new bridge that will connect our two countries. This is a major travel corridor and this foot dragging has been going on for over 10 years now. Here's hoping that whatever political party wins the election; both countries can set aside nationalistic positions that are impeding progress on this economic travel corridor that both of us depend on.
Crazed Rabbit
09-08-2008, 14:25
:inquisitive:
Okay. I mean, that's a tantrum? Where's parliament? Looks to me like a sad MP trying to be funny on a comedy news show.
Now, this is a tantrum in the legislature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUR5VoGcM4&feature=related). And just to show we live in a newly bipolar world where the Russians are just as good as anyone else, I present the Top Banana (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmneBvV8cLs&feature=related) in finest debating style.
:beam:
Well, it was intended to be a review of all her outbursts against America as well.
EDIT: And besides, your examples aren't tantrums, they're simply more direct ways of solving your differences.
CR
And obviously the answer to that is to have your lawmakers through little tantrums in parliament.
CR
Ofcourse. :idea2:
No, I mean, literally, like a child throws a tantrum.
CR
She's not that bad. I've heard much worse from people on the street, and my own mother. :laugh4:
Boy, ain't that the truth. Where I live in Western New York we are cheek to jowl with our Canadian neighbors. Our local economic interests are especially co-dependant. Unfortunately our governments can't seem to agree on the details for an inspection plaza site for a new bridge that will connect our two countries. This is a major travel corridor and this foot dragging has been going on for over 10 years now. Here's hoping that whatever political party wins the election; both countries can set aside nationalistic positions that are impeding progress on this economic travel corridor that both of us depend on.
Yep, nationalism makes everything fun!! :wall: But that's a local issue in Ontario/New York. Here it's about the fishing grounds. Which are still very important to Nova Scotia's economy.
Howard takes Defence seriously, and as a major part of the anglosphere i want them to take Defence seriously.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 00:00
She's not that bad. I've heard much worse from people on the street, and my own mother. :laugh4:
She should know better than to say ":daisy: Americans, I hate the :daisy:," especially in the presence of microphones and in a public place.
I think we need to closely examine the situation, give every party it's right to debate, and then,
FREE QUEBEC
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 00:39
FREE QUEBEC
Please tell me you're not serious. I need the reassurance.
Please tell me you're not serious. I need the reassurance.
Why do you hate freedom?
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 01:18
Why do you hate freedom?
Oh, good. You had me there for a second. :help:
Oh, good. You had me there for a second. :help:
I think Quebec has every right to break away from Canada. It's primarily French speaking, has been doing this for a while. Why don't we just give these French Canadians some freedom?
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 01:23
I think Quebec has every right to break away from Canada. It's primarily French speaking, has been doing this for a while. Why don't we just give these French Canadians some freedom?
Lester B. Pearson said it best. Canadians do not need to be liberated.
Quebec may be primarily French speaking, but it has not only a significant English minority, but no reason to break away from Canada. In addition to this, Quebecois have been given referenda in the past on the issue, and each time have rejected it. Quebecois culture is protected by federal law to an almost dictatorial level when it comes to the English and English-speaking Quebecois living in Quebec. Quebec has as much reason to seperate from Canada as Bavaria does from Germany. None.
Lester B. Pearson said it best. Canadians do not need to be liberated.
Quebec may be primarily French speaking, but it has not only a significant English minority, but no reason to break away from Canada. In addition to this, Quebecois have been given referenda in the past on the issue, and each time have rejected it. Quebecois culture is protected by federal law to an almost dictatorial level when it comes to the English and English-speaking Quebecois living in Quebec. Quebec has as much reason to seperate from Canada as Bavaria does from Germany. None.
You support rebellious areas that seek independance, yet not support non violent seccession groups :dizzy2:?
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 01:28
You support rebellious areas that seek independance, yet not support non violent seccession groups :dizzy2:?
I support the specific South Ossetian case for a very specific reason. Quebecois are hardly oppressed even remotely.
I support the specific South Ossetian case for a very specific reason. Quebecois are hardly oppressed even remotely.
Oppressed. Laughable at best.
Free Quebec.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 01:56
Oppressed. Laughable at best.
Free Quebec.
Quebec doesn't need freedom. Canadian governments don't just not bother them, but actually bow and scrape to their every desire. Not only that, but Quebec has been granted two referendums, and Quebec voted to stay with Canada. I'm willing to bet that the Bloc would lose votes in Quebec if they actually pursued the seperatist agenda.
Quebec doesn't need freedom. Canadian governments don't just not bother them, but actually bow and scrape to their every desire. Not only that, but Quebec has been granted two referendums, and Quebec voted to stay with Canada. I'm willing to bet that the Bloc would lose votes in Quebec if they actually pursued the seperatist agenda.
Free Quebec. Free Tibet.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 02:07
Conservatives appear to have an eighteen point lead over the Liberals. (http://www.cyberpresse.ca/assets/pdf/CP204198.PDF)
Free Quebec. Free Tibet.
:rolleyes:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 02:18
Canadians may not need to be liberated, but Quebecois do.
Quebecois are Canadians.
Quebecois are Canadians.
Hopefully not for long.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 02:28
Hopefully not for long.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The majority of Quebecois, even, do not want independence from Canada.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The majority of Quebecois, even, do not want independence from Canada.
"the motion to decide whether Quebec should secede from Canada was defeated by an razor-thin margin: 50.58% "No" to 49.42% "Yes"."
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 02:40
"the motion to decide whether Quebec should secede from Canada was defeated by an razor-thin margin: 50.58% "No" to 49.42% "Yes"."
They defeated it nonetheless, and the recent trend I believe has shifted towards the No.
Really, read some of Canada's laws on French - they're so unbelievably biased towards Quebec I can't think why anyone except the most brainwashed person could believe that Quebecois have any reason to split from Canada - and they're certainly not oppressed.
Why spend so much time on Quebec when they can simply let it go?
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 02:50
Why spend so much time on Quebec when they can simply let it go?
Letting Quebec go seperates Canada from the Atlantic provinces, would slice off a massive portion of the Canadian population, and force Canada to cede control over part of the St. Lawrence Seaway. Not to mention that the majority of Quebecois are against seperation and that Quebec was one of the first provinces to form the Canadian confederation. Important things, like education, are also largely the responsibility of the provinces in Canada - like Quebec.
Strike For The South
09-09-2008, 03:20
Free California!
ok...go ahead...take them...please
Free California!
Sure. Free Quebec first.
Mouzafphaerre
09-09-2008, 03:34
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Jefferson State (http://www.jeffersonstate.com/)! :cheerleader:
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Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 03:43
Sure. Free Quebec first.
Is Bavaria oppressed?
Is Bavaria oppressed?
If Bavaria wishes to leave the Bundesrepublik, by all means.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 04:04
If Bavaria wishes to leave the Bundesrepublik, by all means.
So Bavaria is oppressed if most Bavarians are against seperating, but a vocal minority proposes Bavarian seperation? Looking around, I can safely say that Bavaria both has an independence movement (not very strong these days, fortunately) and is also not oppressed.
Anyways, Quebec doesn't wish to leave Canada, nor does it have any reason to. :rolleyes:
SwedishFish just knows that with Quebec out of Canada, the remainder will quickly be absorbed as the 51st state. The whole point of keeping Quebec Canadian is so the English crown can lord it over some Frenchies. :bounce:
CountArach
09-09-2008, 07:42
FREE VERMONT! (http://www.worldhistoryblog.com/2007/09/vermont-liberation-front.html)
Vladimir
09-09-2008, 15:27
Oh my my. :no:
Such consternation about the fate of Quebec. Clearly since he speaks with such conviction there must be a deep issue there. Not to worry though. I have solution!
First we grant US (or Sealand) citizenship to all Quebecois who yearn for freedom. Given the oppressed state and tyrannical conditions under which they live I suggest that compensation be granted. This will help to both alleviate their dreadful situation and convince them of the sincerity of our cause. Then, as the cries for freedom escalate, we emulate our fine furry and hibernating friends and invade the :daisy: place! Does Quebec have an important oil pipeline which needs our protection by our ‘peacekeepers’? :smash:
No but they do have something you need as much as oil. Fresh water and hydro-power. :sweatdrop:
Louis VI the Fat
09-09-2008, 20:54
:ca-quebec: Free Québec! :ca-quebec:
Vive le Québec libre! (http://www.vigile.net/Vive-le-Quebec-libre,5317)
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-09-2008, 23:02
:ca-quebec: Free Québec! :ca-quebec:
Vive le Québec libre! (http://www.vigile.net/Vive-le-Quebec-libre,5317)
Brittany to the Bretons!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vive_le_Québec_libre_speech#Reaction
:ca-quebec: Free Québec! :ca-quebec:
Vive le Québec libre! (http://www.vigile.net/Vive-le-Quebec-libre,5317)
I am with you!
Quebec freed itself in the quiet revolution.
Mouzafphaerre
09-10-2008, 00:05
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Jefferson State (http://www.jeffersonstate.com/)! :cheerleader:
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Louis VI the Fat
09-10-2008, 00:37
Brittany to the Bretons! It's funny that you should mention the Bretons. The Bretons ('British') are Celtic British, foreign invaders of French soil. Just like the Anglo Canadians are foreign invaders of French Canada.
Yet, we tolerate the Celtic British invaders living on our French soil. We even tolerate the Anglo British invaders on our Canadian soil.
All that we ask for in return, is a tiny space to live in peace. Just the shores of the St. Lawrence. That's all. And what do we get? Scorn and derision. Does British imperialism not stop until it suffocates the entire world?
Strike For The South
09-10-2008, 01:27
It's funny that you should mention the Bretons. The Bretons ('British') are Celtic British, foreign invaders of French soil. Just like the Anglo Canadians are foreign invaders of French Canada.
Yet, we tolerate the Celtic British invaders living on our French soil. We even tolerate the Anglo British invaders on our Canadian soil.
All that we ask for in return, is a tiny space to live in peace. Just the shores of the St. Lawrence. That's all. And what do we get? Scorn and derision. Does British imperialism not stop until it suffocates the entire world?
And this is why I love you
Banquo's Ghost
09-10-2008, 07:42
I would be grateful if members post to the topic rather than spamming one-liners with flags and bunting.
Thank you kindly.
:bow:
Free Quebec. Free Tibet.
this might actually be an interesting discussion without the endless spamming....................
Goofball
09-13-2008, 00:20
this might actually be an interesting discussion without the endless spamming....................
Agreed. SwedishFish, I don't know what you're after in this thread, but your constribution has been at best childish, and at worst trolling.
As a Canadian, I am extremely offended that you would compare the our relationshiop with one of our provinces with China's brutal and bloody treatment of Tibet.
And your comment about how "razor thin" the margin was in the 1995 referendum further demonstrates your ignorance. Here is how the Bloc worded the question to Quebeckers:
"Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_12), 1995 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995)?"
They made it soud like they would still be under Canada's warm, safe, protective wing, but without any need to contribute back.
In polls where the question was simply: "Do you think Quebec should separate from Canada?" the reponses were overwhelmingly "Non."
Quebeckers were woefully mislead by the sovereigntists in the weeks leading up to the referendum. Some examples of things that declared "yes" voters believed would take place even if they separated:
1) All Canadian troops and bases in Quebec would stay and become the Quebec military
2) Quebec would still be allowed to use Canadian $$ as their currency
3) Quebec would continue to receive transfer payments from the Canadian government
There were a number of other equally ridiculous assumptions, but those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
At any rate, I'm finished talking to you about this, because you obviously have absolutely no knowledge of Canadian politics, and even less of Quebec politics.
About the only ones outside of a small minority of Quebeckers who think separation would be a good idea are the Newfies, because then it would only be a half an hour drive to Toronto...
:beam:
Hosakawa Tito
09-13-2008, 01:32
The best thing about the Canadian political process is that it's over and done with in a matter of weeks. Instead of this 1 to 1 1/2 years of mudslinging campaigning that we in the US have to endure.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-13-2008, 04:07
About the only ones outside of a small minority of Quebeckers who think separation would be a good idea are the Newfies, because then it would only be a half an hour drive to Toronto...
After reading through that, I almost expected to find a Newfie joke at the end, and I certainly wasn't disappointed. :2thumbsup:
Meneldil
09-13-2008, 07:37
Since I don't think anyone remember the original point of this topic, I'll just say that Canada is a weird country that surely as a problem with its neighbour (namely, the US).
Canadian people spend their time bashing the US, bragging about how their healthcare system is great, how they're different (better) from the average american. Yet, to any sane european, the canadian healthcare system is a joke, and Joe the canadian is just copy/pasted from Ben the american.
And they're a bunch of freaking nationalists, it's almost scary. What the hell with all these canadian flags everywhere ?
Oh, and the anti-french racism is kind of boring; wether it is aimed at quebecers or at franco-ontarians people (here I was thinking I would get laid all the time just by saying "Hey babe, I'm french". Next time I'll go to the US ;-( )
So, I vote for the Bloc Quebecois. Vive le Québec Libre, Vive la France, Vive la Bière de qualité, Vive les petites brunes française !
Crazed Rabbit
09-13-2008, 18:07
And they're a bunch of freaking nationalists, it's almost scary. What the hell with all these canadian flags everywhere ?
Over here in North America, having a flag doesn't mean you're a nationalist. Maybe you could learn something of our culture before dumping on it do to your lack of knowledge.
CR
Louis VI the Fat
09-13-2008, 18:52
I'm glad to hear you had such a...swell time in Canada, Meneldil. ~;)
Over here in North America, having a flag doesn't mean you're a nationalist. B..but..those Canadian flags are often a statement that says: 'I am not from the US - I'm better than my rightfully hated southern neighbours'.
Especially those flags on their backpacks, that no Canadian in Europe ever seems to go without. Sure enough, I've never been able to tell the difference between a Canadian and an American. But do they need to dump on their southern neighbours like this?
Nothing makes a Canadian happier than people playing along with it. 'Oh...you're Canadian! For a minute there, I thought you were a ........Cool then. Beer's on me!'
:whip:
Since I don't think anyone remember the original point of this topic, I'll just say that Canada is a weird country that surely as a problem with its neighbour (namely, the US).
Any different than how French and Germans go at these days? My brother has been to both countries and has seen it first hand.
Canadian people spend their time bashing the US, bragging about how their healthcare system is great, how they're different (better) from the average american. Yet, to any sane european, the canadian healthcare system is a joke, and Joe the canadian is just copy/pasted from Ben the american.
Canada is about 30-50 times larger by sqaure km than any european nation. And 32 million people stonrg. No way our health care system could deliver like France or Germany, or Sweden. No way, not ever. We are about on par with Britain.
And they're a bunch of freaking nationalists, it's almost scary. What the hell with all these canadian flags everywhere ?
That's light nationalism really. My parents house has a flag pole in the front yard.
Oh, and the anti-french racism is kind of boring; wether it is aimed at quebecers or at franco-ontarians people (here I was thinking I would get laid all the time just by saying "Hey babe, I'm french". Next time I'll go to the US ;-( )
People in Ontario think they are better than everyone. Don't take it personally, they are decendants of New Englanders who didn't want to be americans. :laugh4: But on another note I've even met a French-Canadian who bitches about certain franquophone cultural idioms
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-14-2008, 18:19
Canada is about 30-50 times larger by sqaure km than any european nation. And 32 million people stonrg. No way our health care system could deliver like France or Germany, or Sweden. No way, not ever. We are about on par with Britain.
Want to guess the German population? ~;) Besides, around 90% of the Canadian population is concentrated near the US border.
That's light nationalism really. My parents house has a flag pole in the front yard.
Yep, displaying a flag just means you're proud of your country. I display a German flag, so what? Bashing Americans, on the other hand, is just, well, our similies can say it better than I: :rolleyes:
Crazed Rabbit
09-14-2008, 18:30
B..but..those Canadian flags are often a statement that says: 'I am not from the US - I'm better than my rightfully hated southern neighbours'.
No, those people are just jerks.
Besides, around 90% of the Canadian population is concentrated near the US border.
Ready to invade. :inquisitive:
CR
Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-14-2008, 18:33
Ready to invade. :inquisitive:
Time for a pre-empetive strike. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1_6uz_sVU)
Want to guess the German population? ~;) Besides, around 90% of the Canadian population is concentrated near the US border.
Germany is like 83 million and some change. And more like 80%. But it's spread out over 5000 km. My point was that europe with it's 200 person per square km (on average) can deliver more bang for buck than we can on just about any utility or public service. Callig it a joke is complete misunderstanding of the whole situation.
Yep, displaying a flag just means you're proud of your country. I display a German flag, so what? Bashing Americans, on the other hand, is just, well, our similies can say it better than I: :rolleyes:
People here display flags other than the national and provincial. Some use the large formats as poormans curtians. :idea2: See a lot of rebel stars and bars, USSR/PRC, and German flags that way.
Mouzafphaerre
09-15-2008, 01:15
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This whole thing with Canadians wanting to avoid confusion with Yankees reminds me a very similar case in a much smaller scale. Natives of Bayburt - TR, which is demographically, folklorically and especially with the accent of Turkish spoken being virtually a subset of the larger Erzurum - TR, dread being confused with Erzurumers.
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Evil_Maniac From Mars
09-15-2008, 01:24
Germany is like 83 million and some change. And more like 80%. But it's spread out over 5000 km. My point was that europe with it's 200 person per square km (on average) can deliver more bang for buck than we can on just about any utility or public service. Callig it a joke is complete misunderstanding of the whole situation.
We also have more people to serve in those hospitals, but the Canadian healthcare system isn't that bad.
People here display flags other than the national and provincial. Some use the large formats as poormans curtians. :idea2: See a lot of rebel stars and bars, USSR/PRC, and German flags that way.
I don't think I've ever seen the curtains like that, but interesting.
Goofball
09-15-2008, 17:31
Since I don't think anyone remember the original point of this topic, I'll just say that Canada is a weird country that surely as a problem with its neighbour (namely, the US).
Canadian people spend their time bashing the US, bragging about how their healthcare system is great, how they're different (better) from the average american. Yet, to any sane european, the canadian healthcare system is a joke, and Joe the canadian is just copy/pasted from Ben the american.
And they're a bunch of freaking nationalists, it's almost scary. What the hell with all these canadian flags everywhere ?
Oh, and the anti-french racism is kind of boring; wether it is aimed at quebecers or at franco-ontarians people (here I was thinking I would get laid all the time just by saying "Hey babe, I'm french". Next time I'll go to the US ;-( )
So, I vote for the Bloc Quebecois. Vive le Québec Libre, Vive la France, Vive la Bière de qualité, Vive les petites brunes française !
Sorry, but what is "anti-French racism?" Are you implying that franco-phones are actually a different race than we English-speakers?
At any rate, in Canada, it is the francophones in general and Quebeckers in particular that practice exclusion and xenophobia. The best example? In Ontario, the largest anglophone province, all public signs must be in English and French. In Quebec, it is against the law for a store owner to have an English sign in his own store if the English sign is larger than the French sign.
Another one that I used to love was that the rule used to be that to work for the federal government, you had to be bilingual, and one of your languages had to be French. So it was quite possible for an anglophone to call a government office and get somebody on the phone who spoke Franch and Cantonese, but not English. I believe they have since changed this policy though, thankfully.
Canada as a whole has two official languages: French and English. Quebec specifically passed a law stating that French is the only official language of Quebec.
But sure, we anglophones are racist...
Give your head a shake and learn a little bit about a topic before posting.
Well you see there is only one officially bilingual province. And it isn't Quebec, BC, or New Scotland. It's New Brunswick. All the others are either English (8) or French (1) but not both. In NB signs are given in French and English. And the text of both langages is of equal size. I was just there for grand mothers funeral. It was odd seeing rue *name* road on all the signs.
Now on English anti-francophone rascim it does exist. A great uncle of mine is a part of a group. Who's agend can be called such.
Kralizec
09-15-2008, 18:25
I picked the Conservatives, because I figured that they'd be the best at oppressing the frenchies.
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