View Full Version : I can\'t get married!!! What gives??
Tough Guy
10-31-2002, 03:42
I am playing the English in normal difficulty and am at about year 1110. I have emissaries trying to get alliances and marriages and everything gets rejected.
My king has an 8 influence and I have a crusade going which I thought would make the Pope happy. But my only allies are Olmohads(or whatever they're called). The neutral germans just attacked me so we are now enemies.
If I can't get married should I give my heirs their...sisters? Will they produce children this way??
Richard the Slayer
10-31-2002, 03:46
try giving your princesses a makeover. hell its amazing they can even get dates, their all butt ugly in MTW.
LordKhaine
10-31-2002, 03:58
Some factions seem just hated..
On my expert German campaign I dont believe anyone *ever* allied with me. They didnt accept an offer, and none of them sent me an offer. And none of them did a cease fire either.
Kinda odd how I used no alliances in the entire game..
PugPenguin
10-31-2002, 06:04
Yeah, I also find myself isolated up to late era, when playing the English. I don't know why. French is just about the only one who would even consider having me (?) at early stage, and even that, you can blow it if you decide to attack the french anyway.
Once the war breaks out and later on when things develop and people begin to take sides, I found that AI tend to come to you for a marriage/alliance themselves so long as you are doing ok.
t1master
10-31-2002, 06:07
princess's are more important in terms of your sons marrying them. as my good friend the baron pointed out, you need foriegn princess's to keep your blood line good, and your gene pool deeper than a puddle. otherwise nasty little vices start turning up on your newly born princes.
smoothdragon
10-31-2002, 06:11
Marrying princes to their sisters will result in heirs with incest, random number of toes and fingers, and other disgusting vices. Not something you want to do!
Orda Khan
10-31-2002, 06:32
Henry of Silesia was identified this way
......Orda
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Pragmatic
10-31-2002, 11:51
Maybe the useless princes should be killed off before an offer of marriage is given/accepted. If marriage proposals are hard to get, it shouldn't be squandered on a worthless prince...
i play the english as well. and to be fair, the princesses are absolutely minging. i wouldn't want to marry one either.
Rosacrux
10-31-2002, 15:51
...maybe it's just that you are butt-ugly... or have a strange odor or something similar... don't worry, you can always hope http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
Brown Wolf
11-01-2002, 00:37
This problem happens. The best thing to do is just let your king marry locals and give your princesses to your favorite generals (or the generals that may rebel).
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Lord TangMo
11-01-2002, 00:48
You are not alone. As Byz, I suffered that problem too. I just found that there is only one faction who will eager to give their princess to you and/or marry your princess. In my case it is Danes. This relation works fine until I destroy them in order to finish the game.
Cardinal
11-01-2002, 03:47
I have had the same problem too, but this might work, though I place no guaranties.
Find a faction which is really up shit creak. He will probably be begging for allies. Help him out a few times when his castles are under siege. March your men into the sieged province and beat the crap out of you common enemy. Your units will automatically withdraw, and you will get a lovely thank-you note form your ally. Now have a dipolomat ready in their Capital Province, and as soon as a princess arrives, go for it. Hopefully he is so happy being allied to you, he will do anything to cement the alliance further....
As I said, this has worked with me a few times, but it may have just been a fluke.
Happy hunting!
MizuKokami
11-05-2002, 09:27
i've been having luck with my princes and other princess'es as of late. it would seem that you might have better luck trying to get marriages with factions you are not allied with. get alliances with two factions that are at war, then when one of the alliances are canceled, ask for the princess from the faction you lost youtr alliance with. you'll have a cancellation of alliances again, but your heir will be married.
Edratman
11-05-2002, 18:55
I have found the effort to get my heirs married off one of the more frustrating and time consuming (wastful) aspects of the game. Everytime I have become the most dominent faction on the board, I have considerable trouble getting a marriage proposal accepted.
I have tried every suggestion offered, using 3 and 4 star emissaries (maybe a slight inprovement), but overall I have encountered nothing but problems.
Allies are sometimes good but not always. Even if I am successful once with an ally, the second proposal is often turned down, and the third always is rejected. Finding some faction that is getting battered and desperate is not always successful either, and that makes no sense.
Also a few of the larger provinces seem to be popular hangout for princesses, often I seen 3 or 4 princess just sitting in Novograd or the province just south of Denmark. One would think they are ugly and desperate, yet they still refuse 3 star emissary advances.
Even more frustrating, whenever a single province faction makes a laughable assault on me (from a diplomatic state of neutral), every one of my allies deserts me(the pope seems to be the least fickle)and sides with this upstart, making marriage proposal rejection a sure thing. This makes no sense, considering that I have a 8 or 9 influence king, 3 star emissaries and the finest, richest and most powerful empire existant. One would think that some bootlicking faction would be glad of a chance to marry into my faction.
The listing of patch fixes does not address this issue. It would be nice to have the option (automatic or manual)to have heirs marry local sluts after 4 or 5 consecutive rejections instead of waiting until the heirs are dotards for the game to act.
This is one of the most crucial aspects of the game, ie, ensuring that your royal line has continutiy. Royal line failures have brought two good campaigns of mine to a screeching halt. Yet this facet seems to be totally beyond the players control and marriage proposals seem to be a pure crap shoot.
MizuKokami
11-05-2002, 21:08
i think that the princess'es go to the capitol provinces of the kings.
One thing that frustrates me is that whenever you successfully get a princess to marry into your faction, it's always the 2nd in line for succession that gets her first. I don't recall *ever* having my heir marry first.
Once I had a king die on me who had 6 heirs. All but the first heir were married (due to very aggressive princess pursuits over the old man's 50 years of rule). Sure enough, wife-less sonnyboy became king. Sure enough, next year he married a local aristocrat's daughter. Unfortunately he was 58 or something, so he didn't produce any children. No children meant that 20 years later civil war broke out.
IMO, the first heir to get married should *always* be the succession heir (after all, it's in the ruler's best interest to ensure his heirs and grand-heirs are successfully made and succession passes smoothly to them). That or provide an interface where you can select who gets married. This pseudo-random assignment of heir marriages is very frustrating. Almost makes me want to play a Muslim faction to avoid it.
I can see that this might be a cheap way to throw in the occasional civil war. But it makes it almost worthless to attempt to seek out other factions' princesses. Why spend all that time and effort when 80% of your rulers end up marrying an aristocrat's daughter, because his brothers got all the princesses?
I'm wondering if there is an off-by-one bug here preventing the first heir from getting the princess...
I have the same problem. It would nice to have Dowry system where you could pay a faction to marry thier princesses.
I gave up on marriage. In the beginning of the game, you can get lucky. But once you're the biggest fraction, no-one wants to marry you or you princesses.
Now, I always give the princesses to the generals of my important provinces and let my king marry some local girl.
It's simply not worth the trouble in my opinion : too much micro-management and only a SLIM chance of succes.
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