Archer upgrades in v1.1

[Wolfgrin]

I started a new campaign as the Danes last night and freaked out when I built a Bowyer's Workshop, but got no X-bows. When I later built a spearmaker's guild and couldn't build Chiv Sgt.s, I collapsed in despair. Wising up some, I checked the armies of other nations around the map and realized nobody else had these units either. I figured it must be a timeline-related thing. Sure enough, around 1200, with the advent of the High era, both units became available. I rather like the idea of not being able to build uber units way before their historical time frame. Chiv Knights or Pav Arbs by 1230 just ain't right.

Thought I'd share, as I noticed others complaining about this.

[Maelstrom]

I agree - it is a pain for my existing campaigns, but I am happy to sacrifice these for the additional challenge, balance and accuracy.

[Jagger]

I will have to doublecheck but I am pretty sure, historically, the crossbow was available in the early era.

I just did a quick google search and came up with the 1000 as the beginning of widespread crossbow usage in the Europe. Introduced to Enland in 1066.

I will do some more looking but I just added "EARLY" to my crossbows in the crusprodfile.

[This message has been edited by Jagger (edited 11-06-2002).]

[MonkeyMan]

Quote Originally posted by Jagger:
I will have to doublecheck but I am pretty sure, historically, the crossbow was available in the early era.[/QUOTE]

it can only at best be a generalisation, no doubt such a thing existed in early but its peak useage probably falls in the high era sometime, i doubt it was used en-mass in 1089. Perhaps you could mod a new copy unit that is buildable in early but only for certain early adopting nations, with a little less power than the high era - flavour ones.

[Pachinko]

I was sooo ranting...I was so pissed ...then..But you people are right. Church banned its use in 1139...ooooppppsss http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif

But it says the MTW is 1200. So it is kinda screwed up.
http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castle36.htm

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[Jagger]

I found this info here: http://www.thebeckoning.com/medieval/crossbow/chronology.html... (http://www.thebeckoning.com/medieval/crossbow/chronology.html...neat) neat site- worth a vist.

Funny how King Richard, a big advocate of crossbows, is killed by one. Talk about riding the Tiger.

*341 BCE --- Earliest reliable record of the use of the crossbow at the battle of Ma-ling in China.

*228 BCE --- Earliest factual evidence in the form of a bronze lock mechanism from the tomb of Yu Wang.

*1 st. cent. CE --- Heron records a form of hand balllista.

*4 th.-7 th. cents. CE --- Roman evidence from carvings and remains

*385 CE --- F. Vegetius Renatus in De Re Militari refers to crossbows

*947 CE --- Attack on Senlis driven off by crossbowmen.

*985 CE --- Crossbowmen in Lothair's expedition against Verdun.

*986 CE --- 'Lock bows' used in the battle of Hjorungsvag.

ca. 1000 CE --- The crossbow comes into wide use.

11 th. century CE --- Tiller is grooved to hold bolt (Wilkinson-Latham, p. 170)
*1066 CE --- Crossbows reintroduced into England by the Normans.

*1096 CE --- Anna Comnena records the use of crossbows in that year by the Normans.

*1139 CE --- Interdiction of the second Lataran Council.

1139 CE --- Pope Innocent II condemns and forbids the use of the crossbow by Christians against Christians by saying they are "deathly and hateful to God and unfit to be used among Christians."

*c. 1180 CE --- Mardi at-Tarsusi records the different types of crossbow and the use of the belt and claw for spanning

1199 CE --- Richard I, a major advocate of the crossbow who found a loophole in Pope Innocent's decree against the crossbow, is killed by a crossbow. (Hardy, p. 39)
*1216 CE --- The Berkhamsted bow, now in the British Museum.

*1 st. half of 13 th. cent. --- The MS. of Matthew Paris (d. 1259) illustrates crossbows. Widely used during the reign of Henry III (1216-72).

13 th. century --- Stirrup introduced for spanning crossbows. (Wilkinson-Latham, p. 169)
1277 CE --- 200,000 bolts ordered by English for use in campaigns in Wales. (Hardy, p. 44)
*1297 CE --- Sale of a windlass recorded by Simone Vatacio in Genoa.

*1314 CE --- Earliest reliable record of a steel lath.

1346 --- The Battle of Crecy, in which English longbowmen defeated a force of 6000 Genoese crossbowmen

*mid 14 th. cent. --- The goat's-foot lever in general use.

mid 14 th. century --- crossbows could cast bolts approximately 200 yards. . (Hardy, p. 75)
*1373 CE --- Earliest illustration of the cranequin or rack.

*1381 CE --- Foundation of le Grant Serment Royal des Archers de Saint-Sebastien in Belgium.

[This message has been edited by Jagger (edited 11-06-2002).]