Good Policing

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Nobody ever mentions it when you do something right. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7637226.stm) ~;)

Good work by the police. :bow:

[Koga No Goshi]

Nobody ever mentions it when you do something right. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7637226.stm) ~;)

Good work by the police. :bow:

Germany's been pretty good on the terror apprehension front, period.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Germany's been pretty good on the terror apprehension front, period.

We've had a bit of luck (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5263930.stm) as well.

[AlexanderSextus]

well when you're not like the US, where everyone's distracted with arresting people for Marijuana... you tend to do things right.

Yes its a half a joke but hey, i bet if cops here were spending less time arresting ppl for weed, they'd arrest more people trying to commit more heinous offenses!!!!

[Koga No Goshi]

well when you're not like the US, where everyone's distracted with arresting people for Marijuana... you tend to do things right.

Yes its a half a joke but hey, i bet if cops here were spending less time arresting ppl for weed, they'd arrest more people trying to commit more heinous offenses!!!!

I'm American and I agree that our homeland security and police efforts are monstrously misappropriated. Billions on airport security and during tests the FBI is still able to smuggle bombs through the security systems. But yeah, if you're smoking pot at a coffeeshop, watch out.

[Lemur]

That's a blatantly unfair characterization of our police work here in the U.S.A. We also spend money to have them stake out bathrooms to make sure no gay men are tapping their wingtip shoes at one another. Or as we like to call it, "Real police work."

[Koga No Goshi]

That's a blatantly unfair characterization of our police work here in the U.S.A. We also spend money to have them stake out bathrooms to make sure no gay men are tapping their wingtip shoes at one another. Or as we like to call it, "Real police work."

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

So true.

[Fragony]

We will never be able to be big with the boys if you keep stopping our attacks.

[Kadagar_AV]

Germany has a history of being very capable of dealing with terrorist threats.

A personal favourite of mine is the "suicide" commited by one of the members of the "rote armé fraction" - terrorist cell.

This member commited suicide in jail by shooting herself in the head. Two times.

[Fragony]

Should have fired 3 times kneecaps first.

[PanzerJaeger]

No surprise here, Germans do everything better.

[CountArach]

It isn't mentioned it because that is them doing their job. Harrassing civilisans isn't part of the job description and as such it gets mentioned.

Good to hear it worked.

[InsaneApache]

Germany has a history of being very capable of dealing with terrorist threats. .

You mean like when they attempted to rescue the athletes in Munich and the terrorists were watching them deploy on the telly? :laugh4:

[Husar]

You mean like when they attempted to rescue the athletes in Munich and the terrorists were watching them deploy on the telly? :laugh4:

I think they learned from that, didn't they?

[seireikhaan]

No surprise here, Germans do everything better.
Except win World Wars.:smash:

:creep:

[HoreTore]

Nobody ever mentions it when you do something right. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7637226.stm) ~;)

....And a good thing that is too. The media is here to criticize those in power, they're not there to be their cheerleader gang.

[Kralizec]

....And a good thing that is too. The media is here to criticize those in power, they're not there to be their cheerleader gang.

:no:

The media's job is to report the truth. Or to tell people what they want to hear about.

[Kadagar_AV]

You mean like when they attempted to rescue the athletes in Munich and the terrorists were watching them deploy on the telly? :laugh4:

One mistake, and a honest one:)

Read up on GSG9, they have done some cool stuff:)

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

A personal favourite of mine is the "suicide" commited by one of the members of the "rote armé fraction" - terrorist cell.

This member commited suicide in jail by shooting herself in the head. Two times.

Can't say the person didn't deserve it.

[Koga No Goshi]

Can't say the person didn't deserve it.

In societies that embrace the rule of law that is not up for vigilantes to decide, now is it?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

In societies that embrace the rule of law that is not up for vigilantes to decide, now is it?

No, it is not. At the same time, I don't feel a shred of pity for the deceased in this case.

[Koga No Goshi]

No, it is not. At the same time, I don't feel a shred of pity for the deceased in this case.

I'm not sure how that's relevant as to whether or not we should applaud suspects being murdered in prison cells.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'm not sure how that's relevant as to whether or not we should applaud suspects being murdered in prison cells.

Regardless, presuming he's talking about the Baader-Raspe-Ensslin suicide, it is not proven that any of them were murdered.

[Koga No Goshi]

Regardless, presuming he's talking about the Baader-Raspe-Ensslin suicide, it is not proven that any of them were murdered.

Of course.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Of course.

Serious or sarcastic?

[HoreTore]

:no:

The media's job is to report the truth. Or to tell people what they want to hear about.

Nope. Their main job is to shed light on things in need of criticism. A watchdog ~;)

[Hosakawa Tito]

:no:

The media's job is to report the truth. Or to tell people what they want to hear about.


The Fourth Estate's duty is to report what the government would withhold.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Germany a succesful track record in preventing terrorism? Far from it. More correct would be: Terrorism Central. For obvious reasons, the German state has been very reluctant over the past decades in it's use of force and surveillance against citizens.

As a result, terrorist have been able to operate from and in Germany with considerable succes. Palestians, Libyans, Germans, Irish, East Germans / communists, Saudis, Turks and Kurds have used Germany as a target. Or, more frequently, as a base to operate from. And as an easy country to attack a third party.

9-11 has raised the stakes in counter-terrorism, and Germany has become more decisive and resolute in anti-terror measures.

[PanzerJaeger]

Except win World Wars.:smash:


.. but they did it with such style.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Nobody ever mentions it when you do something right. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7637226.stm) ~;)

Good work by the police. :bow:

Isn't that the truth. Where I work, one :daisy: up negates about ten "atta-boys".

[Husar]

Germany a succesful track record in preventing terrorism? Far from it. More correct would be: Terrorism Central. For obvious reasons, the German state has been very reluctant over the past decades in it's use of force and surveillance against citizens.

As a result, terrorist have been able to operate from and in Germany with considerable succes. Palestians, Libyans, Germans, Irish, East Germans / communists, Saudis, Turks and Kurds have used Germany as a target. Or, more frequently, as a base to operate from. And as an easy country to attack a third party.

9-11 has raised the stakes in counter-terrorism, and Germany has become more decisive and resolute in anti-terror measures.

Pff, we're just too clever, if we're the base, we're not the target. :2thumbsup:

[Louis VI the Fat]

.. but they did it with such style. Shame on you.

Stylish in what way? Stylish murder of countless German civilians? A stylish burning of books – this betrayal of Germany’s incomparable contribution to literature and philosophy? Stylish goosestepping of millions of young men, send off to their doom in a miserable orgy of violence?

Here's what:
Nazi-fandom is a betrayal of everything Germany stands for. A betrayal of Germany’s past. A betrayal of contemporary Germany. A betrayal of humanity. A celebration of the biggest crime ever committed against Germany.

To support nazism is to commit intellectual terror against Germany. I hope Germany will deny you entrance to Germany. In no way, shape or form do you belong morally to Germany any more than these two Muslim terrorists do.



Pff, we're just too clever, if we're the base, we're not the target. :2thumbsup:It is not about being clever or naïve. It is about German trauma with terror.

The RAF shook the fledgling German democracy. The state was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Stuck between support from within, from communists at home, East Germany and abroad. Between hatred from an only partially denazified society. Democracy and capitalism were not unquestioned, fully embedded ideologies throughout German society yet.

The German state had no answer to sensitivity about using force against leftist groups, against resistance groups. No answer to sensitivities about surveillance and the use of force against citizens.
This all within a context of partition, denazification, Vergangenheitsbewaltigung, and a search for an open and democratic German society. The RAF tested the young German state to its limits. It was a very traumatic experience.

Other terrorist groups noted Germany's problematic dealings with terrorism, and jumped into the vacuum in the seventies and eighties. The IRA, the PLO, the PKK, the Turks.


I for one am happy that the use of close surveillance, and the arrest of two terror suspects, minorities at that, does not raise any political issues in Germany anymore.

To combine what I said to Panzer and you: hurray for Germany, hurray for democracy, and hurray for a mature and democratic Germany.