View Full Version : They Dont Make Dads like this Anymore
Strike For The South
10-03-2008, 00:47
Dad dies defending daughter from rapist (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/17576601/detail.html)
wow....
Louis VI the Fat
10-03-2008, 00:52
Make this guy president.
Edit: the dad didn't die, the offender did.
What a chilling story btw. I shall repeat my call to kill every rapist just in case. Never release them.
Don Corleone
10-03-2008, 00:52
Dad dies defending daughter from rapist (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/17576601/detail.html)
wow....
I saw this the other day. It was on FoxNews.com, so the story must be a planted story by Karl Rove to sway the election. Sorry, Strike.
Seriously, the rapist died, not the father. And people are now starting to call for his prosecution. If they prosecute this guy, I'm going to go Alec Baldwin one better and actually LEAVE.
Koga No Goshi
10-03-2008, 00:58
I saw this the other day. It was on FoxNews.com, so the story must be a planted story by Karl Rove to sway the election. Sorry, Strike.
Seriously, the rapist died, not the father. And people are now starting to call for his prosecution. If they prosecute this guy, I'm going to go Alec Baldwin one better and actually LEAVE.
Wow, there's a troll. ;)
Good job, dad. But I'm sure the NRA will try to turn this into a commercial somehow. Probably have their next rally in that city.
Don Corleone
10-03-2008, 01:21
Wow, there's a troll. ;)
Good job, dad. But I'm sure the NRA will try to turn this into a commercial somehow. Probably have their next rally in that city.
Right back at ya, but he didn't shoot him, he choked him to death with the crook of his elbow.
It actually wasn't a troll. I'm frequently told by the very members of this Backroom that every story on Foxnews is invented and a fabrication, sent over by the White House. I figured that following that logic, this story must also be false. Am I right, or does FoxNews actually get stories right?
Reverend Joe
10-03-2008, 01:26
Dude, if I was in this dad's position, I would actually give this story some controversy, via a louisville slugger... "Are baseball bats too dangerous?! Decide for yourself when you see what one man did to a sex offender's head..."
Who the hell could possibly blame him? More importantly, who the hell would not do the same?
Well I'm glad that he prevented his daughter from being raped. Still too bad that the other guy died, shouldn't have been released early from prison. :furious3:
Oh yea I heard about this the other day. I think the guy deserved it. First off he's a sex offender, secondly, he broke into a house nekked with bad intentions (obviously), and thirdly, he broke into someone else's house. So, imho, when a person would break into another's house, I'd say the person living there has every right to kill or capture them. Now as for the idiots that have broken into people's houses, hurt themselves, then sued the owner and won. I'd have a bigger problem with that. This on the other hand, is one less sex offender to worry about. Good on the dad and I hope things go his way.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-03-2008, 02:26
More importantly, who the hell would not do the same?
If a father would not have done what this father did, he would not be fit to be a father. You defend your children however possible, and the father did the right thing. The fact people would even think of prosecuting him is despicable.
Agree with Decker, if anyone comes into my house/flat unasked and with evil intentions that person will put me under stress/shock and I cannot be blamed for whatever happens afterwards as I will not be there *ahem*. ~D
Papewaio
10-03-2008, 02:33
Early release should not be available for crimes where violence was used (rape, assault, murder).
If this case results in a prosecution I will be floored. From the article: "The results of the police investigation will be turned over to the Marion County Prosecutor's Office, but it is unlikely charges will be filed, police said."
In fact, let me go a step further: If this case results in a prosecution I will eat my hat, put a McCain/Palin sign in my front yard and donate six teddy bears to NAMBLA.
Koga No Goshi
10-03-2008, 03:42
Right back at ya, but he didn't shoot him, he choked him to death with the crook of his elbow.
It actually wasn't a troll. I'm frequently told by the very members of this Backroom that every story on Foxnews is invented and a fabrication, sent over by the White House. I figured that following that logic, this story must also be false. Am I right, or does FoxNews actually get stories right?
This is biased. This is biased. Present your source. It has to be something that I subjectively approve as objective.
Don Corleone
10-03-2008, 03:47
This is biased. This is biased. Present your source. It has to be something that I subjectively approve as objective.
Grow up. I'm not making an accusation about current events, I'm stating historical fact after 4 years of daily visits to the Backroom. If you want sources, you can go through thread archives.
I thought you could discuss issues with people you might disagree with rationally, like an adult. My mistake, I'll quit bothering you.
Koga No Goshi
10-03-2008, 03:48
Grow up. I'm not making an accusation about current events, I'm stating historical fact after 4 years of daily visits to the Backroom. If you want sources, you can go through thread archives.
I thought you could discuss issues with people you might disagree with rationally, like an adult. My mistake, I'll quit bothering you.
Your original post was a pure troll. Grow up.
ICantSpellDawg
10-03-2008, 03:59
Right back at ya, but he didn't shoot him, he choked him to death with the crook of his elbow.
It actually wasn't a troll. I'm frequently told by the very members of this Backroom that every story on Foxnews is invented and a fabrication, sent over by the White House. I figured that following that logic, this story must also be false. Am I right, or does FoxNews actually get stories right?
You're right - Fox News is tripe. It should be banned from the air and replaced in every home forcibly by msnbc's gloriously objective coverage of everything.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-03-2008, 04:00
You're right - Fox News is tripe. It should be banned from the air and replaced in every home forcibly by msnbc's gloriously objective coverage of everything.
MSNBC is far too right-wing. The Daily Kos should be the news source of choice for all Americans.
Koga No Goshi
10-03-2008, 04:11
You're right - Fox News is tripe. It should be banned from the air and replaced in every home forcibly by msnbc's gloriously objective coverage of everything.
NBC has morphed more towards the left. The difference between me and the hardline right wingers (some of you included) is that I will both admit that, and I see it as a reaction and a balancing within the media after years of almost unquestioned, unchallenged right-wing partisanship from Fox which has passed for serious journalism.
Alexanderofmacedon
10-03-2008, 04:12
BBC
seireikhaan
10-03-2008, 04:19
Good on the dad.
This is more proof that gun laws are good; the dad didn't need a gun to kick ass. :tongue:
I want to shake the Dad's hand.
PanzerJaeger
10-03-2008, 07:26
Your original post was a pure troll. Grow up.
What about that little NRA snipe, even though no firearms were used in this situation? ~;)
Banquo's Ghost
10-03-2008, 07:39
Your original post was a pure troll. Grow up.
Tsk. :beadyeyes2:
This clash illustrates again that the use of smileys can diminish misunderstanding.
However, even if one thinks one is being hard done by, there is no need for further provocations.
Thank you kindly,
:bow:
Koga No Goshi
10-03-2008, 07:43
What about that little NRA snipe, even though no firearms were used in this situation? ~;)
Is there any crime situation the NRA can't creatively twist to make a case for owning guns?
Big_John
10-03-2008, 07:51
I'm frequently told by the very members of this Backroom that every story on Foxnews is invented and a fabricationno you're not. you can be a very reasonable fellow sometimes, don. but you occasionally go off on these weird persecution complexes. no one, no one has ever said back here that every story on foxnews is a fabrication, much less have you been told so frequently.
but more to the point, why are you defending foxnews? you and tuff, i just don't get it. it's no secret, nor even real partisanship, to point out how big a joke fox is. yeah, most cable news is pretty bad, but you must be aware of fox's special appeal to the lowest common denominator, mustn't you?
fox does fine when they regurgitate the AP or reuters. but their commentary is laughably bad. not just for liberals, for anyone with an attention span. could a buffoon like sean hannity have been given his own show anywhere else? conversely, do you think candy crowley could ever get a job at fox (without losing 100 pounds, getting massive plastic surgery and dying her hair with clorox)?
fox is trash. why defend trash?
now, as to this story, good for him. i'd be interested if someone has a link for the apparent charges being filed, though. that sounds completely crazy.. why would a DA do something like that?
edit: and i want to take issue with the thread title. honestly, i don't think there are many dads out there that wouldn't have done the same thing, if they were capable. defending your daughter from a masked, knife-wielding, home-invasion rapist is about as basic instinct as you can get.
PanzerJaeger
10-03-2008, 08:01
no you're not. you can be a very reasonable fellow sometimes, don. but you occasionally go off on these weird persecution complexes. no one, no one has ever said back here that every story on foxnews is a fabrication, much less have you been told so frequently.
but more to the point, why are you defending foxnews? you and tuff, i just don't get it. it's no secret, nor even real partisanship, to point out how big a joke fox is. yeah, most cable news is pretty bad, but you must be aware of fox's special appeal to the lowest common denominator, mustn't you?
fox does fine when they regurgitate the AP or reuters. but their commentary is laughably bad. not just for liberals, for anyone with an attention span. could a buffoon like sean hannity have been given his own show anywhere else? conversely, do you think candy crowley could ever get a job at fox (without losing 100 pounds, getting massive plastic surgery and dying her hair with clorox)?
fox is trash. why defend trash?
Ha ha. He just made Don's point. :laugh4:
Fox isn't any better/worse than the other two... well maybe it's somewhat less biased than MSNBC these days..
Is there any crime situation the NRA can't creatively twist to make a case for owning guns?
They are an advocacy group like any other. The point was that you injected the NRA into the discussion with no reason other than to troll. :yes:
Koga No Goshi
10-03-2008, 08:13
Ha ha. He just made Don's point. :laugh4:
Fox isn't any better/worse than the other two... well maybe it's somewhat less biased than MSNBC these days..
No it's not. It's just more biased in your direction. If you think somehow that MSNBC starting to lean left after years of Fox is the very beginning of any sort of imbalance in the media, I dunno what to say. I don't think righties would say the news was balanced unless it was all right-slanted like Fox is.
PanzerJaeger
10-03-2008, 08:32
No it's not. It's just more biased in your direction. If you think somehow that MSNBC starting to lean left after years of Fox is the very beginning of any sort of imbalance in the media, I dunno what to say. I don't think righties would say the news was balanced unless it was all right-slanted like Fox is.
MSNBC is more subversive. Fox draws a line between their editorial personalities and their hard news guys.. MSNBC often blends this line..
For example, MSNBC had Matthews and Olbermann ancoring their convention coverage until the outcry was simply too much to ignore and they were relegated to where they should have been in the first place - commentators. It would be as if Fox had Hannity and Oreilly ancoring the Dem convention. :laugh4:
Koga No Goshi
10-03-2008, 08:46
MSNBC is more subversive. Fox draws a line between their editorial personalities and their hard news guys.. MSNBC often blends this line..
For example, MSNBC had Matthews and Olbermann ancoring their convention coverage until the outcry was simply too much to ignore and they were relegated to where they should have been in the first place - commentators. It would be as if Fox had Hannity and Oreilly ancoring the Dem convention. :laugh4:
Well, since there was immediate outcry it's not like they were sneaking it up on you, were they? Here's the thing. I ADMIT that MSNBC has slanted more left in the last few years. And it's only in the last few years that it's been noticeable. I don't really care that Fox wants to stump for the right, I guess I do care a little that it calls itself Fair and Balanced, but I think the only people who really believe that are conservatives.
What does bother me is the "redefining of truth" and the attempt to keep shoving the center anchor of gravity to the right. By denying over and over again that Fox has a clear conservative bent defies almost all the statistics and analysis of its coverage, how frequently it gives favorable coverage for right-wing viewpoints and negative or ganged-up-on coverage of left wing ones, etc., and saying "no no it's really neutral and in the middle", I consider it just psych warfare to try to define the middle as the right-wing. This is why today someone like Hillary Clinton, who is considered by many in the Dem party to be like, just 3 degrees shy of Lieberman in terms of her ties to the rich and corporate America and a very moderate/right economic philosophy, is still considered a "radically far left-wing San Francisco esque liberal" by the right. Because anything left of Lieberman is considered super radical left wing by you guys, it's like the middle/center got erased altogether. Well, actually, you guys just renamed your turf the middle. What's to the right of you, exactly? :) Timothy McVeigh's militia? :)
I think MSNBC starting to shift left is a natural evolution. Fox is not going anywhere. And Fox has been around for years. Until MSNBC in about the last two years started putting more left-wing commentators up into the lineup, the only venues for progressive viewpoints which weren't constantly being shouted down by like 3 conservative ones were a small handful of pay cable shows like Real Time, the Daily Show (which does not pretend to be serious journalism anyway, but is more serious journalism than a lot of "serious journalism") and then two radio stations when something like 90% of talk radio is right-wing. (And one of the two stations has a lot of management and financial problems and might not be around for long.)
You might recall, somewhat recently (well I'm getting my timeline messed up here, it's probably several months back now, I know it was well before the conventions) the righties had complained, and complained, and complained, and complained, about the "benevolent" coverage of Barack Obama in news. And then when they actually did a study, they found that Barack Obama was mentioned in a negative light more frequently than John McCain, and a majority of all comments about him made on mainstream news was negative. So it's like, um. What would be balanced to you guys? I sincerely feel like any viewpoint other than an obviously conservative one is, to you guys, too favorable to the left.
Papewaio
10-03-2008, 09:05
This is biased. This is biased. Present your source. It has to be something that I subjectively approve as objective.
No one else see the dead pan delivered joke in this?:
It has to be something that I subjectively approve as objective.
Guys:
a) Add some simleys when making tongue in cheek posts.
b) Don't assume because there are no smileys that the post is not therefore tongue in cheek.
c) Tribesman start sharing those smileys. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
If someone broke into my house I'd not be restrictive; and I would do what's described in the article. If he died, it wouldn't be too much of my concern, but I'd not call the person evil or wish him anything anyway as it would not help anything.
As for filing a charge; I guess it's normal to make an investigation when someone is killed. Note that there are no witnesses but the family he supposedly assaulted, for instance. No reason to speculate, and no reason not to. :juggle2:
Hosakawa Tito
10-03-2008, 15:46
Every altercation between people that results in death, including law enforcement involvement, is classified and investigated as a homicide. A grand jury is then presented the evidence in order to determine if a crime was in fact committed and charges need be brought.
A man's home is his castle and one is not legally required to withdraw. The perp was armed and threatening deadly physical force upon a family member. The father used reasonable force to stop the assault on his daughter, heck in this instance the use of a firearm is justified. He used his barehands to stop a knife wielding attacker, a brave man indeed, but any Father worthy of the title would do the same. I predict a happy conclusion to this incident for the family involved.
yesdachi
10-03-2008, 15:51
I think the dad is a hero and that all violent sex offenders should be executed.
They were making fun of this story on the radio the other morning and I actually laughed out load. The picture they painted of a old man in a mask with condoms and a rope was funny (in a horrible way).
Yoyoma1910
10-03-2008, 15:58
Eh. Forget the American news channels, they've all come to resemble baboon's bottoms. Bright and flashy, yes,:yes: but oh the smell.:stupido3:
Anyway, did anyone else notice the assailant's right eye looked out of place a bit?
Rhyfelwyr
10-03-2008, 17:15
lol Yoyama! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Well done that Dad! :2thumbsup:
I say pin a medal on the dad. If someone breaks into my home like that with bad intentions toward my family or myself, I'd definitely go into kill mode, and they can either stay and fight (and die) or they can run like hell and maybe live another day.
Dutch_guy
10-03-2008, 17:33
Would have liked to see that man spend the rest of his life in prison, if only so that the father in question wouldn't have had to kill someone, but then again it would have amounted to the same anyway.
:balloon2:
ICantSpellDawg
10-03-2008, 18:07
Fox news is center right. Some programs don't seem to have much of a bias - Shep smith, Wallace. Others are in the tank for McCain - fox & friends, Brit Hume. Others are center-right - O'reilly, who I believe is centrist in this particular election (oddly enough).
MSNBC has gone so far to the left that I wonder if it is an elaborate joke. In a way, i appreciate them because they legitimize fox news as a viable channel. I turn to MSNBC immediately after every debate because I want to hear the most absurdly partisan criticisms that I will hear later on the Daily show and Colbert, then go to CNN to hear an attempt at middle ground, then I go to fox to hear center right spin. Then I check out the right-approach on Drudge, and the next day I check BBC ,who seems to like Obama, but also has a crush on Palin.
I then take my tempered opinion to the forum and spar.
Fox news is center right.
They aren't left or right; they're an appendage of the Republican Party. If the Repubs say we should all sell our daughters to China, I expect to see a Fox News Barbie talking about how it's a great idea within minutes.
I don't believe Fox has anything so coherent as an ideology.
Koga No Goshi
10-04-2008, 07:43
They aren't left or right; they're an appendage of the Republican Party. If the Repubs say we should all sell our daughters to China, I expect to see a Fox News Barbie talking about how it's a great idea within minutes.
I don't believe Fox has anything so coherent as an ideology.
Yup, sorry Tuff. In the spirit of fairness and honesty I admitted the bias one can find in MSNBC lately. But Fox news is not just a little slanted, a little tilted, or a few selective programs bank for the Reps. It doesn't matter what the Reps are doing. You will never see Fox light up even the most monstrously stupid thing the GOP or any of its members do like even the conservative Wall Street Journal did when McCain got involved with the bailout and suddenly tried to pose like he hadn't already admitted he knows very little about economics. (They blasted him specifically on economic issues, and simply reported he didn't know what he was talking about.. it wasn't some conspiratorial backhanded endorsement of Obama. It was very issue-specific.) Fox doesn't REPORT what the GOP is doing or saying. It gets on and does a cheerleader routine for it, no matter what it is. And it has no problem contradicting itself.. for instance, coverage of Hillary vs. coverage of Palin, or the coverage of Reverend Wright vs. Palin's lunatic witch-hunting pastor and laying on hands, or spending the whole lead up to 2004 calling Kerry a flip flop when McCain makes Kerry look as rigid and stiffly defined and inflexible as Bush on corporate taxes.
Again, you act like there was no problem until MSNBC put up Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. It's a long overdue counterbalance. A right-wing bias that few people dispute on Fox was okay, but MSNBC comes along and suddenly you care about neutral coverage? This is the kind of double standard that lends to the belief that good neocons/Republicans don't really care about the rules as long as the rules, or the breaking thereof, benefit them.
Adrian II
10-04-2008, 09:56
They don't make Dads like him very often. This is a rare case of a stranger invading a home in order to rape. Statistically speaking Dad himself is more likely to be the rapist than any stranger.
Men loooove this sort of clear-cut case where a husband or father protects the innocent female in his life from another man. It makes them feel wanted, useful, even all-powerful. Being indispensable to the women in your life is a popular male fantasy. Reality is mostly disappointing.
Kekvit Irae
10-04-2008, 10:00
That man is my hero. If some strange man broke into my home and threatened me or a family member, I would fully expect him to die. Sadly, I don't live in Texas, where it's plenty legal to defend your home.
Big_John
10-04-2008, 10:10
That man is my hero. If some strange man broke into my home and threatened me or a family member, I would fully expect him to die. Sadly, I don't live in Texas, where it's plenty legal to defend your home.
..... your location says alabama....
Koga No Goshi
10-04-2008, 10:13
..... you're location says alabama....
:laugh4::laugh4:
Big_John
10-04-2008, 10:14
ach, ye quoted me typo!
Kekvit Irae
10-04-2008, 10:31
..... your location says alabama....
And if you notice in the quote, I said "I don't live in Texas" instead of "I live in Texas".
Big_John
10-04-2008, 10:33
And if you notice in the quote, I said "I don't live in Texas" instead of "I live in Texas".
my point: i'd be shocked if a state like alabama doesn't have a castle doctrine as liberal as texas.
Kekvit Irae
10-04-2008, 10:34
Alabama is not a ranching state, while Texas is. There's a reason why it's called Texas Law.
Big_John
10-04-2008, 10:36
alright, i'll look it up.
Big_John
10-04-2008, 10:36
i'm bored, but i'm also lazy, so looking this up is a hassle of sorts. just so you know.
Big_John
10-04-2008, 10:53
i went through the whole debacle of westlaw, and actually found the pertinent codes, but discovered that wikipedia was the more sensible way. :no:
alabama: http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeofAlabama/1975/13A-3-23.htm
texas: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/SB00378I.htm (they left the formatting corrections in like a bunch of dummies).
substantively the same. both are "stand your ground" states. i.e. there is no duty to retreat from your own home, or any other place really, and deadly force is justified in defense of another fairly liberally.
knowing is half the battle, amirite?
edit: forgot to include the wiki link, derp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine#State-by-state_positions_on_Castle_Doctrine
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