Creative Assembly I knew this would happen.... [Archive]

TenkiSoratoti

11-06-2002, 04:19

You chaps (well alot of you) have been constantly complaining about the need for the patch. Now that it is out you are all (so to speak) bitching about it.
Give it a chance (maybe 2 days) then start complaining.
Just gets on my nerves thats all.

Its better than nothing!!!!!!!

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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."

Dionysus9

11-06-2002, 04:24

Well, Sora, actually if it doesn't fix the MP desktop crash then its AS GOOD AS NOTHING.

I could care less about SP issues. I bought this game exclusively for Multiplayer. The Multiplayer drops, freezes, and assorted issues have been an omnipresent source of frustration for me. Now it is clear they HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN ADDRESSED.

What the heck am I supposed to do? Cheer because the SP crowd has proper valor production? There isn't any trade in MP. Frankly, I thought unit balance was fine before.

I'm not happy about it, but I can't say I didn't expect this.

After 5 tries, you still cant start a MP game due to desktop crash? After the patch it gets no better? And you tell me not to complain?

I might as well lube up and grab my ankles.

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Bacchus
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In the end times, there will be rumors of a patch-- but none shall come. And there shall be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth across the lands. And still no patch shall come. And the poor suckers will start eating their children out of frustrated desperation. And yet-- no patch shall come. And then, finally, some small glimmer of hope shall appear. And a "patch" shall be released. But, alas, it shall do no good. Verily, I say unto you-- the end of days shall be dark and horrible.

Mithrandir

11-06-2002, 04:25

Quote Originally posted by Tenkisoratoti:
You chaps (well alot of you) have been constantly complaining about the need for the patch. Now that it is out you are all (so to speak) ******** about it.
Give it a chance (maybe 2 days) then start complaining.
Just gets on my nerves thats all.

Its better than nothing!

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My thoughts exactly! Take your time to see the good sides, after that post the bugs which still exist, and I'm sure the devellopers will be nice enough to make another patch to fix those problems...

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Online be my name Glorfindel. Lord of the Eldar.

Hakonarson

11-06-2002, 04:31

Personally I'm disappointed they spent so much time on MP issues when it's of no interest to me whatsoever, and I wish they'd introduced better history.

Get a life guys - your opinions as to what is important are exactly that - your opinions - and mine are my own.

That the patch meets (or doesn't meet) your requirements doesn't maek the game good or bad - it makes it good or bad FOR YOU.

And if you don't like it then why bother playing it?

vexatious

11-06-2002, 05:10

^^^^^^^^^^^

This is crap. Look, Activision and CA advertise a game on the basis of certain features. They SOLICIT our business. Unfortunately, you pay before you play. So now they have our money and we are powerless to pursue remedies (the cost of the court filings would vastly exceed the cost of the 35 tonnes of lube that Dionysus is gonna need in order to get this patch business all the way down). So, you're right, the game is not good for MP'ers, but that really means that the game is not good by its own standards. You cannot defend a defective product on the grounds that it does half of what its supposed to do.

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LordKhaine

11-06-2002, 05:14

Quote Originally posted by Dionysus9:
Well, Sora, actually if it doesn't fix the MP desktop crash then its AS GOOD AS NOTHING.[/QUOTE]

As good as nothing? I assure you the vast majority of people will only play sp, and will never touch mp at all. Even on a pretty much multiplayer only game like UT... you can be sure a vast share of the sales were to gamers who wont play online at all.

It certainly sucks that mp hasnt been fixed, but its just stupid to claim the entire patch is "as good as nothing".

Papa Bear!

11-06-2002, 05:16

Quote Originally posted by Hakonarson:
Personally I'm disappointed they spent so much time on MP issues when it's of no interest to me whatsoever, and I wish they'd introduced better history.

Get a life guys - your opinions as to what is important are exactly that - your opinions - and mine are my own.

That the patch meets (or doesn't meet) your requirements doesn't maek the game good or bad - it makes it good or bad FOR YOU.

And if you don't like it then why bother playing it?[/QUOTE]

Get a life? did you even try to make a point.

These people are perfectly valid in their complaints about the patch. I'd say that they should probably be directed a the technical support forum, or whatever its called, but firstly, stating their issues with the new patch is not a matter of oppinion, its a matter of communicating the problems.

Second, stating their oppinions on those issues is their right, and as always, when people like you don't like it you're always free to step aside and ignore it. I pick and choose which threads I read and get involved in around here, why is it your job to direct the ones you don't like more towards your course?

Leave them be, their points all seem perfectly valid to me. And I, for one, am enjoying all this hoopla about the patch, if not for everyones quick thoughts on it, I would've installed it myself, (and then be forced to reinstall MTW to get rid of it).

Dionysus9

11-06-2002, 05:22

Quote Originally posted by Hakonarson:
[sarcasm]

That the patch meets (or doesn't meet) your requirements doesn't maek the game good or bad - it makes it good or bad FOR YOU.

And if you don't like it then why bother playing it?[/QUOTE]

Because I friggin paid for it based on the representations that it was a multiplayer game. If the multiplayer aspect is so flawed that the 50% of attempts to play MP result in a system crash, I have a right to complain.

I'm happy you Single Players have a better game after the patch. I really am-- no sarcasm. But imagine if the situation was reversed, and MP worked fine but SP crashed your system half the time you tried to play. Methinks you would be complaining a bit too.

Edit: And as it turns out, its looking like from my perspective and in my opinion that the damn thing has made the multiplayer aspect of this game LESS stable and LESS playable. So, in fact from my perspective and in my opinion [a new caveat for you "sensitive types"] THE DAMN THING IS WORSE THAN NOTHING.

And thanks to Vex and Papa for watchin' my back!

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In the end times, there shall be rumors of a patch-- but none shall come. And there shall be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth across the lands. And the frustrated masses shall search high and low for the patch. And still no patch shall come. And the poor suckers will start eating their children out of frustrated desperation. And yet-- no patch shall come. And then, finally, some small glimmer of hope shall appear. And a "patch" shall be released. But, alas, all shall be as before the patch. Thus, look not for a patch in those last days-- for it is a trick of the Dark Ones. Verily, I say unto you-- the end of days shall be dark and horrible.
--Oracle of Dionysus, Ch.3, vs. 23-28.

[This message has been edited by Dionysus9 (edited 11-05-2002).]

Dionysus9

11-06-2002, 05:30

Quote Originally posted by Mithrandir:

My thoughts exactly! Take your time to see the good sides, after that post the bugs which still exist, and I'm sure the devellopers will be nice enough to make another patch to fix those problems...
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Am I missing something here Mith? Haven't we been complaining about MP stability from DAY ONE? They ignored the problem the first time, why would they adress it in the next patch? And by the time that patch comes out I bet I'll have arthritis so bad I can't even manipulate a mouse.

I'm just pissed off. Why call a game "multiplayer" if its not intended to be multiplayer, if you dont intend to support it as multiplayer, and if the multiplayer aspect is so flawed that long time fans of the Total War series leave the community in droves?

It just boggles my mind.

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Bacchus
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In the end times, there shall be rumors of a patch-- but none shall come. And there shall be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth across the lands. And the frustrated masses shall search high and low for the patch. And still no patch shall come. And the poor suckers will start eating their children out of frustrated desperation. And yet-- no patch shall come. And then, finally, some small glimmer of hope shall appear. And a "patch" shall be released. But, alas, all shall be as before the patch. Thus, look not for a patch in those last days-- for it is a trick of the Dark Ones. Verily, I say unto you-- the end of days shall be dark and horrible.
--Oracle of Dionysus, Ch.3, vs. 23-28.

Papa Bear!

11-06-2002, 05:32

Well, on the plus side I've had 2 quite enjoyable multiplayer games.

Admittedly thats a total of 2 in a span of about 2 weeks, (with roughly 14 hours of attempting I'd say).

Dionysus9

11-06-2002, 05:40

Thats what makes it so darn frustrating. This game is the BEST THING RUNNING, the Multiplayer battles are unequaled in the history of computer gaming, and yet MTW's perfection is marred by these rediculous bugs that should have been fixed before release.

Did you know they spent less than a month on programming the MP side of this game? Well, it sure shows. EDIT: As per GilJaySmith I have been assure this assumption is incorrect. Apparently, more than a month went into the MP side. I apologize for this inaccuracy. I will shut up now.

[This message has been edited by Dionysus9 (edited 11-07-2002).]

Turbo

11-06-2002, 06:20

Quote Originally posted by Tenkisoratoti:
You chaps (well alot of you) have been constantly complaining about the need for the patch. Now that it is out you are all (so to speak) bitching about it.
Give it a chance (maybe 2 days) then start complaining.
Just gets on my nerves thats all.

Its better than nothing!!!!!!!

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Last time I checked, this was not freeware. I didn't buy a blank CD. What I thought I was buying was quality programming that performed as advertised. When you pay for a product, the product should perform as advertised.

If you want nothing in return for your money fine. There is a sucker born everyday.

Turbo

11-06-2002, 06:20

Puzz3D

11-06-2002, 09:08

Dionysus9,

MTW multiplayer stability has improved tremendously for me. No drops in 5 hours of continuous play. I remember you had ISP problems last summer and dropped a from a lot of WE/MI games. Have those problems been corrected?

Gregoshi

11-06-2002, 09:20

It seems a bit premature to declare the patch a failure.

What the CA programmers and the techies here at the Org need is good information from those having problems, not flaming rants about criminal activity, intelligence levels or family geneology. Your problems may be very simple to fix. Or the patch might not be good. How can we say after only 6 hours?

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A Member of Clan Doragon

Dionysus9

11-06-2002, 09:44

Quote Originally posted by Puzz3D:
Dionysus9,

MTW multiplayer stability has improved tremendously for me. No drops in 5 hours of continuous play. I remember you had ISP problems last summer and dropped a from a lot of WE/MI games. Have those problems been corrected? [/QUOTE]

Yes Yuuki, I've had no problems since then. It was packet loss and it was with a cable-modem that had known packet loss issues. I got a new one. And my problems with MTW never occur in game...they are all related to the pre-game handshaking that goes on.

I am not declaring the patch a failure, but I do feel I have a right to complain if serious known problems have not been addressed.

My problem has consistently been lobby crashes to desktop when trying to host . This was/is a known problem. The patch has not fixed this problem for me. I believe Kocmoc and Lahll have had similar issues post-patch.

As far as content of the patch goes, it seems to be quite a good patch, overall. Balance has been changed subtly, the #kick option is nice, faction/color distinction was much needed. But to tell you the truth I wasn't concerned with that stuff, really, I just wanted a stable multiplayer platform.

Its too early to say if stability has been improved on the average. It seems to be the same for me--perhaps a bit more stable "in game" than before. But so far I get dropped from the server after every game. Whats with that? I cant chat with my buddies after the game....I gotta relog. A bit of an annoyance.

But the lobby is still whack-- People still dont "see" games . I'm still getting dropped to the desktop when I try to host. Although much improved it still feels [I]beta to me.

My signature may be a bit over the top-- the world is not ending. But this patch is not the holy grail we had hoped for. Or, that I had expected.

If it's improved MP stability overall then that IS better than nothing, but If my experience hasnt improved overall, then you can expect complaints.

I'm glad its worked for you, Yuuki, my MP stability seems to be reduced, but still too early to say.

Puzz3D

11-06-2002, 10:36

I've only hosted one game so far which isn't enough to draw any conclusions about hosting. I did have the crash while trying to host in v1.0, so I'll know after a while whether that's been improved or not. I think GilJaymith has increased the time allowed for player machines to link up during battle launch, so that should help a bit. However, some battles do still fail to launch. I played three 4v4, one 3v3 and one 1v1. One of the 4v4 battles failed to launch getting stuck at the black screen after everyone was at 100%.

vexatious

11-06-2002, 11:03

Dion, can you post more on this packet loss problem. Which modem did you have and what was the problem, exactly? If anyone else can speak to this, I have a MotorolaSurf Board 4200.

Xiahou

11-06-2002, 11:10

You know, it wouldnt hurt to have another look at your system before blaming the game. Myself and many others have had no stability issues at any point.

Lord Romulous

11-06-2002, 11:58

and wtf is with everyone starting a new thread for every issue they have with the patch...

come on guys lets get it together by

1. posting info re the patch in 1 or 2 threads only

2. stop saying absolutly that the patch is stuffed just because something is not working on your computer. by all means post if your having problems but dont totaly crap on the patch when it is too early to tell wether the patch is the problem or it is something with your computer or mtw config. eg using old saves etc.

im sure the devs have feelings to. how would u feel if something u worked on for a few months was totaly blasted in like 12 hours after release. (and it hasnt even been officaly released !)

[This message has been edited by Lord Romulous (edited 11-06-2002).]

Eddie the Longshanks

11-06-2002, 12:00

Papa Bear!

11-06-2002, 12:00

I'm surprised soly isn't all over this.

this stuff clearly belongs somewhere else.

Just one time, when I'd actually like to see some moderating! *knocks on wood*

LittleGrizzly

11-06-2002, 13:19

Quote Originally posted by Papa Bear!:
I'm surprised soly isn't all over this.

this stuff clearly belongs somewhere else.

Just one time, when I'd actually like to see some moderating! *knocks on wood* [/QUOTE]

yeah what kindof idiots post info on the medieval patch at the medieval forum i mean god these ppl could b considered stupid this belongs somewhere like the shogun forum or history forum....

amrcg

11-06-2002, 14:33

Mithrandir

11-06-2002, 14:51

I havent read this entire thread and will back out after this post,
I said to take it easy because some of you might have an odd problem, a bug which only hapens in 2% or something of the cases due to your system/programs/whatever.

Just saying that being polite again, to the devs in particular http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif is getting you much more than just ranting while your mad...

anyway, suit yourself, I think the patch is good and havent had any problems and I hope that it'll work out for you too.

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ShadeWraith

11-06-2002, 15:14

Quote Originally posted by Puzz3D:
However, some battles do still fail to launch. I played three 4v4, one 3v3 and one 1v1. One of the 4v4 battles failed to launch getting stuck at the black screen after everyone was at 100%. [/QUOTE]

Yep, I had that one last night too. Still to early to draw conclusions on MP stability as I had "good" days and "bad" days with v1.0. Need to play the game for a week or so to be able to give an accurate verdict. One thing I did notice was during MP battle my ingame graphics were very poor looked low res and "fuzzy" didnt have time to investigate it last night though.

Wraith

Papa Bear!

11-06-2002, 15:30

Quote Originally posted by LittleGrizzly:
yeah what kindof idiots post info on the medieval patch at the medieval forum i mean god these ppl could b considered stupid this belongs somewhere like the shogun forum or history forum....

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well normally, game issues/technical issues are in fact directed at the technical support forums my oh so enlightened friend. Perhaps you haven't noticed this in the past.

[edit: well would ya look at that, soly's on it.

"If you experience technical difficulty, gameplay problems, or anything other changes in your game resulting (in your opinion) from installation of patch 1.1, then post it in the Edits/Mods/Patches Forum. The .Org users and Mods there will be glad to help you out." guess that settles it.]

[This message has been edited by Papa Bear! (edited 11-06-2002).]

hrvojej

11-06-2002, 15:58

Quote Originally posted by ShadeWraith:

Yep, I had that one last night too. Still to early to draw conclusions on MP stability as I had "good" days and "bad" days with v1.0. Need to play the game for a week or so to be able to give an accurate verdict. One thing I did notice was during MP battle my ingame graphics were very poor looked low res and "fuzzy" didnt have time to investigate it last night though.

Wraith[/QUOTE]

Have you checked in the options? My graphic settings were changed after the patch.

GilJaysmith

11-06-2002, 17:30

Quote Originally posted by Dionysus9:
Did you know they spent less than a month on programming the MP side of this game? Well, it sure shows.[/QUOTE]

You may be thinking of when I posted a request for comments about the server-side stuff I was going to write, which probably was about a month before release.

The MP code itself had a lot more than a month spent on it.

Please don't repeat this inaccuracy, and please correct anyone who quotes you on it.

ShadeWraith

11-06-2002, 20:09

Quote Originally posted by hrvojej:
Have you checked in the options? My graphic settings were changed after the patch.[/QUOTE]

I suspect this is what has happened, I just couldnt wait to check everything post install and went straight into a MP game. I will verify the graphic settings when I get home.

Wraith

CBR

11-06-2002, 20:45

Quote Originally posted by amrcg:
I'm also disappointed that they have ignored historical issues on unit balancing. They have simply changed the cost of units. I think I'm definitely going to buy the hex-based Medieval 2. The battles seem to be more realistic.

Cheers,
Antonio[/QUOTE]

Dont think its cost alone. Cavalry is better now. My Lancers have won several fights against spear units.

CBR

Dark_Magician

11-06-2002, 20:50

The game is so stable and balanced I don't understand what is this patch for at all (having sme new stuff would be other thing). I think coders should concentrate on addon or new total war game

Gregoshi

11-06-2002, 20:56

* diving for cover... *

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barocca

11-06-2002, 20:59

* barocca routs *

vexatious

11-06-2002, 21:12

Dark-

The principal of charity requires that I assume that you were just kidding. If not, however, READ THE REST OF THE POSTS.

Dark_Magician

11-06-2002, 21:18

Quote Originally posted by vexatious:
Dark-

The principal of charity requires that I assume that you were just kidding. If not, however, READ THE REST OF THE POSTS. [/QUOTE]

No, I just imply that if there were voting about the patch not only would I prefer an option that the patch is sufficient but that there's no patch necessary. You know, like a common state election thing or smthng. Everyone speaks on the basis of own experiences, no one is authorized to speak for all

Orda Khan

11-07-2002, 22:19

Shogun of course is still great http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

........Orda

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Erado San

11-07-2002, 23:00

I have never had any problem whatsoever playing either SP or MP. But of course this patch was needed. A definite number of people were suffering from bugs (mostly on XP) that corrupted savegames after a number of years. Also, MP is more stable imo. Just go online straight after starting MTW, and don't play SP before that.

Dionysus,
The problem with hosting through (some) cable modems has been discussed often enough, and at least on one occasion prior to the patch the devs have stated that it would not be addressed in the patch either. I think because of the way the connectivity code has been programmed it CAN'T be fixed. Sad but True.

Dionysus9

11-08-2002, 00:25

Ok Gil, I guess I was wrong on that too. I think I need to stick my friggin foot in my mouth and shut the hell up.

So without further ado mmmphmhmp mpphmhm ... .

Quote Originally posted by GilJaysmith:

You may be thinking of when I posted a request for comments about the server-side stuff I was going to write, which probably was about a month before release.

The MP code itself had a lot more than a month spent on it.

Please don't repeat this inaccuracy, and please correct anyone who quotes you on it.[/QUOTE]