Concert of Europe

[Greyblades]

Aparantly in the interviening decades between the last game and this one Britain somehow got canada back without fighting the americans. Kinda wish I knew what sort of godlike leverage they had on the yanks to get them to give it up.

[SoFarSoGood]

Uhm.. What is exactly "unoccupied Poland"? XD
Austria, Russia and Prussia have parts of it, but there's no free Poland afaik...

"All the Russian troops leave however but remain position on the border." Page 40 Chapter 1 under 'Poland'. In Chapter 2 Jan says there 35,000 Polish rebels; they are in the areas from which the Czars troops withdrew.

Regarding Csargo he alone can decide.

Decision: I have thought about 'Canada problem'. I have read that in CoE 1 (the Fran game) that England was forced to leave Canada but yet our maps and realism show different. Since there was an intervening period (in game history time) between the end of CoE 1 and this restart I have decided that during that time Canada has been restored to England along the borders shown in the map here: http://geacron.com/home-en/?v=m&lang=en&z=3&x=21.269534066272&y=45.578675259632&nd=-1&d=&di=1842&tm=p&ly=yyyy&fi=1&ff=100&sid=GeaCron950241 I feel this will increase realism and give extra leeway for non European affairs to play a role in the game.

[Kagemusha]

Gentlemen,what year are we living? Austria annexed Krakow 1846 after the Krakow uprising.Before it.It was jointly controlled by Austria,Prussia and Russia.

[Arjos]

Chapter 2 was set in 1843 Kage :)


they are in the areas from which the Czars troops withdrew.

Ungrateful sobs :D

[SoFarSoGood]

Gentlemen,what year are we living? Austria annexed Krakow 1846 after the Krakow uprising.Before it.It was jointly controlled by Austria,Prussia and Russia.

The Krakow uprising - and the Hungarian uprising - are currently underway, as is an Italian 'uprising'. Once we have established who is playing what and some economic basics that you will need we can progress. I have pmed Csargo and asked him if he wants in. If no reply or he doesn't want in then Jan gets Prussia. If Csargo wishes to stay in then Jan gets Switzerland.

Economic outlines will be done by Sunday latest.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I would have suggested spain myself.

Spain could work. You know what.....

Never mind Prussia. Put me down for Spain. :)

[SoFarSoGood]

Csargo us stepping due to not having enough time.

[Franconicus]

What about warluster? He is experienced and would be good to play Prussia!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Csargo us stepping due to not having enough time.

Meh.....*sigh*.... Can I switch back to Prussia please?

Maybe Warluster can take Spain or even the Dutch! He was pretty good as the Dutch when he was with us last!

[Franconicus]

You are welcome to take whatever you like to, just stay with it!

[Arjos]

Seems like we can get the Conference going once again then ^^

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Gentlemen!

We agree with what the kind French and Russian diplomats have to say about the Holstein/Schleswig problem. My government is willing to split up Schleswig between my government and the Danish government or if that will not work, then I ask the conference to approve that my Austrian brothers get half of Schleswig if they are willing to have any of it.

On the Balkan position. We think the partition should go ahead as place. Unless France and England plans on going to war to stop Austria and Russia, I doubt any other solution is out there besides this.

The Prussian Government

[Greyblades]

Is there not an honorable gentleman in this conference that has been listening? There is a solution, a very good one: Byzantium.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Is there not an honorable gentleman in this conference that has been listening? There is a solution, a very good one: Byzantium.

Then implement it then kind England.

[Greyblades]

...For that to happen it need's austria and Russia's agreement to get it done because it's them who want to dislodge the ottomans in the first place and thier familiy members who would take over the new state. Might I suggest going over the conference notes.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Well... Why do they not agree yet?

[Kagemusha]

A man enters the conference hall and announces himself to the crowd.

Greetings!

We must urgently inform you that the glorious Emperor Kaiser Ferdinand have abdicated in favor of his grandson, Franz Joseph. The new Kaiser taking office with name Kaiser Franz Joseph I of Austria. Also the beloved foreign minister Prince Klemens Wenzel von Metternich has retired. Appointed by Kaiser Franz Joseph I, I Prince Felix zu Schwarzenberg have assumed the office of minister-president foreign minister of Austria.

As you must understand based on the circumstances.There is lot to do, before Austria can continue this diiscussion. I promise to make my best effort, so the conference can continue as soon as possible and the Austrian views can be accurately given to you gentlemen.

[Kagemusha]

Just a quick question to the British representative. Which would be the extent of the Byzantium Empire, the British Empire is suggesting?

[Greyblades]

Basically this at 1095 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_the_Byzantine_Empire)+ the areas owned by the ottomans in the north and west of the balkans, Cyprus and all the islands in the agean sea.

[Franconicus]

I guess Cyprus is out of the discussion

[Greyblades]

Yeah, no, if I'm willing to fight austria and russia for taking land then I'm sure not letting you keep Cyprus.

[Kagemusha]

Gentlemen.I am sure we can create a compromise. Austria suggests the following:

https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1814/greecesx.jpg

Greece will get control of the Duchies of Thessaly, Macedon, Epirus, Adrianopol, Thrace, Konstantinopol, Nikae, Samos, Cibyrrhaeot,Ionian Islands, Crete, Dodecanese Islands and Cyprus. With all these Duchies.Austria will not have any objections toward The new Greek Empire holding Byzantine titles. Still they must revoke any claims to any other areas.

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In Western and Eastern Balkans. Bosnia and Herzegovina will be included to Croatian crown, which is already under Austrian rule. Kingdom of Serbia will also become part of Austrian Empire.
In Eastern Balkan. Russian Bessarabia will be joined with other principalities of Wallachia under Russian rule. South from it a Bulgarian Kingdom will be formed under Russian Empires rule.

Would this be satisfactory to all the parties involved?

[Arjos]

OoC: custom CKII maps, brilliant! :D

[Greyblades]

Replace greece with Byzantium and stick the two royals I mentioned earlier on the throne to avoid some of the "greece has no rightful claim to the rest of the balkans" rebellions and I'll go along with it.

[Kagemusha]

As we said earlier.We would like to leave to Greek discretion, to what they would like their empire be called. We are fairly certain that they will not have anything against the suggestion the British representative used.

In any case is that not more or less semantics? If so we are happy to greet the British insight and will to compromise.

[Greyblades]

...Who said anything about giving the greeks the area? We have a decendant of the byzantium emperors and a decendant of the capet family who owned it during one of the crusades. We put them on the throne and we not only get christian control over the area but promote the rightful rulers, which should discourage the majority of rebellions. Read post 1201 for the whole thing.

[Kagemusha]

That proposal we cant accept.Empire without any kind of power base is no empire. It would only be an artificial structure, which would only survive by eating the resources of the members of the Concert.During these times of nationalistic turmoil.We cant afford to weaken ourselves. Thus The British proposal is unacceptable.

[Arjos]

Besides gentlemen, are we really taking seriously this "byzantine" line? Basically every single noble house in Europe has some distant ancestor related to the Roman Emperor's house. Russia does not abandon its orthodox brothers, at the Convention of London the Concert already set about freeing the Greeks: we intent to accomplish fully that mandate.
Therefore Russia welcomes this resolution. Although if a greek Constantinople is so problematic, we equally support to preserve Ottoman rule there, provided the Sultan finally submits to the Concert.

Admiral Putyatin

[Greyblades]

That proposal we cant accept.Empire without any kind of power base is no empire. It would only be an artificial structure, which would only survive by eating the resources of the members of the Concert.During these times of nationalistic turmoil.We cant afford to weaken ourselves. Thus The British proposal is unacceptable.

Why should it be an artificial structure?
The area is not desolate, the people likely would be supportive of a chhristian state and with the right organization and support we could make the new nation self sufficient within 5 years.
As for resources I would point out that an occupation by austria and russia would cost the same amount of resources as setting up a new regime, if not more, and the weight would be taken only by those two nations.
Your alternative of using Greece's power base is even less viable as it is much too small to take effective control of the region without concert support and due to the perception of the greek king being an outside invader by the non greek occupants of the region it would likely result in endless rebellions that would offset whatever savings the concert could make from exploiting such a meagre pre existing powerbase

[Kagemusha]

Good sir and which ethnicity are most of the Southern Balkan Christians? How can it be more expensive to bring stability to area without Greek support then with it?

[Greyblades]

Besides gentlemen, are we really taking seriously this "byzantine" line? Basically every single noble house in Europe has some distant ancestor related to the Roman Emperor's house. Yes and I proposed to put direct relations to Austria and Russia's monarchs on the throne on a whim.[/sarcasm]
Their bloodline is important as to make the people of the balkans think it's thier old masters return, the idea is to put off thoughts of rebellion due to legitimacy.
Why I brought up those two in particular is so that both austria and russia would meet some of thier war goals, a russian/austrian nation in charge of the area, as far as I can see the tzar is only refusing because it won't be him in charge.

[Greyblades]

Good sir and which ethnicity are most of the Southern Balkan Christians?
Enough of them are Macedonians and albanians, they might not be the majority but as Britain has encountered countless times in india it does not require a majority to cause obscene damage. Byzantium would appease all but the turks.

How can it be more expensive to bring stability to area without Greek support then with it?
Well for one Britain wont be footing the bills, have fun with that.

If you go with the greek option Britain won't stop you but will mostly stay out of the war and the rebuilding. Go with byzantium and you get our help as well as a stop to weapon shipments into Turkey.

[Arjos]

We have explained ad nauseam the succession concerns. And need I point out that the British emissary keeps on refusing an Austro-Russian partition (shared by the rest of the Concert), while proposing an Austro-Russian regime? As the honorable Austrian diplomat pointed out, this is a greek kingdom we are talking about and the Concert has created such kingdom already: Basileus Othon will rule it.


Well for one Britain wont be footing the bills, have fun with that.

Britain should stop behaving so selfishly, enjoying the Concert membership benefits, but refusing to share its burdens. Are we to consider a reorganization of such memberships?

[Greyblades]

We have explained ad nauseam the succession concerns. And need I point out that the British emissary keeps on refusing an Austro-Russian partition, while proposing an Austro-Russian regime? Indeed, we'll accept an Austro-Russian regime, just not your Austro-Russian regime. We trust his sister more than we trust the Tzar with the area.


Britain should stop behaving so selfishly, enjoying the Concert membership benefits, but refusing to share its burdens. Are we to consider a reorganization of such memberships?
Accusations of selfishness from the man who wanted the east balkans for himself, The irony is palpable. And considering the rest of the concert tried to leave me out of the very first concert debate of my tenure I am finding it hard to see of what benefits you are talking.

[Arjos]

The Imperial daughter's future is for the Czar and her family to deliberate.

What selfishness? Freeing the Christians and assuring a stable polity? Should we sell weapons to the enemies of those we promised to help then?

[Greyblades]

The Imperial daughter's future is for the Czar and her family to deliberate.OOC: My apologies, I was honestly unsure of which one it was, seeing I'm not exactly sure whether the Tzar I'm talking to is the same one as the one in 1820.
What selfishness? Freeing the Christians and assuring a stable polity?
Were that true you would have asked Britain for help like last time, and considering when I showed you an alternative that would have the same result just without your dominion you have constantly refused to consider it, I find your stated goals questionable.

Should we sell weapons to the enemies of those we promised to help then?
I'm sorry, are the greeks at war with the ottomans? No? Then I can't see what enemies of those we promised to help you are talking about. I certainly didn't make a promise to help you in your expansion and I have yet to see any greek uprisings, so they don't seem to be enemies of the ottomans currently.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Prussia stands by our earlier statement. With rebellions facing us in our homelands and in nearby Poland, Prussia will not be intervening in Turkey in the near future. However, if we must intervene on a side.... we shall do so.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

When is the deadline by the way?

[Arjos]

Were that true you would have asked Britain for help like last time


His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai urges the Balkans to rise up, by the Grace of God, Russia will remove the Turks from Europe. Let all true Christians join this most righteous war!

Czar Nikolai

All members understood the message, are the British not Christians perhaps?


I'm sorry, are the greeks at war with the ottomans?

What was Cyprus? Allied forces are joining, soon as a line of communication and supply is established, Othon should take the field aswell...

[Greyblades]

All members understood the message, are the British not Christians perhaps?Our soldiers died as you ran away 20 years ago, and you're surprised a vague call to war issued to all of christendom wouldn't entice us to have another go?

What was Cyprus? Allied forces are joining, soon as a line of communication and supply is established, Othon should take the field aswell...
If othon wants to attack those he knows are supplied by Britain that is his perogative, Britain promised to make sure his country keeps existing as an independant nation not to make up for his recklessness, especially considering at this rate he is likely to get a large chunk of land even if he does nothing.

[SoFarSoGood]

I shall have economic figures tomorrow (I hope), which will be Chapter 2 Part 2. Exact military numbers will not be given in public and economic figures are to be taken as true as of now. If you wish to give 'misleading' estimates of your future economic performances you can include that in your future orders. You will also be able to 'claim' false troop totals and advances (for example in Austrian cannon or French gun research) if you wish. In other words these economics will be true. What you publish as your figures after that is upto you and may or may not be embellished.

I would warn against greatly exaggerating or under accounting figures or claims though as if you are found out borrowing costs are likely to be effected.

With Chapter 2 Part 2 this weekend I will set next Saturday (22nd September) as a provisional deadline for orders.

[Franconicus]

[B]fine[B]

[Kagemusha]

To the honourable representative of France. Should we assume your statement is about the Austrian proposal concerning Balkans?

[SoFarSoGood]

Ok it's early! So I have used events so far, orders from pms and those I know about Austria. With Prussia I had to make some guesses and work on info given in Chapter 1 and the start.


Chapter 2 Part 2 Economics

General European Situation

All European Governments have benefitted from a period of peace and trade and production has grown apace to the benefit of all. All Governments have, to some extent, used this opportunity to invest in railroads, factories and research. Although all countries have debts the finances of Europe in general are exceedingly healthy. However with the Revolutions 'starting early' the general confidence is threatened. Some nations, most notably Austria and France and England and Austria have free trade treaties and Austrian Customs Union with Bavaria has increased central European trade greatly. The British homeland thrives and exports to continent are increasing around 8% year on year. Many European are becoming rich and aquiring a taste fine French wines. Many Europeans though are living in poverty... While the rebellions in Part 1 are largely 'nationalist' (except the French one) and the Capitals of Europe remain peaceful there is a growing underclass. The Balkan victories have added to general confidence but of course any reversals in the war there may reverse the confidence. There is also growing unease at the lack of a resolution from the Frankfurt conference.



England:

Income: 120m thalers due to increased investment rising rapidly. New investments in railways to Wales and Scotland are proving more expensive than previous railways as tunnels etc must be created and diversions made to bypass mountainous areas. Commercial shipping trade is a major growth area but nobody is willing to insure ships in Eastern Med due to the recent Anglo French exchange in Cyprus. Costs are 75 million talers as interest rates slightly rise on the National Debt of 320 million talers over growing European war fears which are fuelled by the lack of a Conference agreement on Shleiswig Holstein.

Troubles ahead:

A. The costs of the British fleet are expected to rise heavily as the increased merchant navy demands greater protection from the Royal Navy. The Admiralty also demand newer ships and Questions are raised in Parliament about the 'Cyprus affair'.
B. While the English mainland flourishes with new investment and innovation the Empire is not yielding as much as could be expected. The Hudson Bay company in Canada demands greater authority and the return of it's monopolies and it's shares are declining as are it's income and returns. The Government of India and it's Governor General (Sir Charles James Napier) wish to annex Sind. The Government does not sufficient funds for a proposed Bombay - Calcutta railroad.



France:

Income: 105m talers. Outlook good/very good. French industry is beginning to take off and is much helped by free trade with Austria, Belgium and Holland. The Paris-Toulon railway should be finished by 1845 - earlier than scheduled while Paris - Lille and Paris - Tours are just starting construction. The fortifaction of Lyon on a scale never before seen should be completed in 1844 and though this has cost more than intended a net financial profit is expected this year (1843) with costs of 77m talers. While free land has been given to the poor most, not having the means to or knowledge to run the land, have sold it, a few have pooled their land to form 'Communes'. The french military research has resulted in a modest (5%) improvement in the accuracy of light weapons. The General Staff recommend that production be liscenced. The National Debt stands at 270m talers and interest rates on this are low.

Problems:

A. Like all nations facing rebellions the rising in the South (around Marseilles) may decrease future income. A spread of the insurrection to Paris would be severe.
B. Initial estimates for a fortified naval base in Cyprus are not yet prepared but may require considerable investment.
C. The planned overhaul of the fleet would require at least half of the fleet to decommissioned and rebuilt from scratch and costs would exceed 200m talers.
D. There is some anxiety that France is now de facto at war with Ottoman Empire so future news from the war theatre may affect confidence.



Russia:

Income: 79 million talers, outlook stable/rising. The Russian income has increased slightly recently due to A. Liberation of the serfs, who now sell their produce more freely and B. Some nobles investing in munition factories to aid the war effort. The Russian Orthodox Patriarch has also contributed 2 million talers for the Czars Holy war. The first Russian railway is under construction which is planned to go from St Petersburg to Moscow. Expenses estimated next year 89 million talers most of which is army and fleet upkeep. The expenses of the campaign are weighing in also and this has cost some 5 million talers so far. The National Debt stands at 185 million talers and interest on this is falling due to recent victories.

Problems:
A. The cost of an ongoing campaign will increase the further away the army marches from home territory and bases until a major city is taken and can be made into a supply base. Iasi is in need of alot of rebuilding and restocking before it can operate as a supply depot or anything else.
B. Taxes from Poland (5 million talers) will NOT be payed in full next turn as long as Krakow and Warsaw remain partialy liberated by rebels.
C. While the Russian debts are not severe at present and interest rates are falling any unexpected reversal in the war could radicaly increase the costs.




Austria:

Income: 63 million talers, outlook stable to good. The Austro-Hungarian has benefited large Government funded projects in railway construction, fort construction and new cannon research which required new metal foundries to be built (currently being built). The Bavarian Customs Union has also increased trade as has a fast paced administrative take over in Belgrade and Sarajevo. Taxes from Belgrade/Sarajevo regions can be expected to start coming in from 1844-5. Costs 95 million talers due to the costs of supply of the field army and the loss, at present, of Budapest as a major supply base. The supplies are in Budapest but they can't get south to supply the army so supply is via Zagreb - Belgrade. National debt is 240 million talers but interest on this remains stable.

Problems:
A. Hungarian taxes (9 million talers) cannot be expected at all next year unless the Hungarian rebels are placated or defeated. Neither can the railway from Vienna to Budapest be completed until a resolution is accomplished regarding the rebels. The Polish provinces and Lvov are also cut off and this will decrease income further.
B. The Italian provinces will also pay less next year unless action is taken to restore order.
C. As with Russia confidence is high after recent victories but any reversal or delay in dealing with the rebels may radicaly increase losses.




Prussia:

Income: 39m talers. Outlook steady/good. Some 80 business have availed themselves of the Governments investment programme. A Berlin - Danzig - Konigsburg railway has begun construction and other companies are starting to build steam engines for factories and steam locomotives. The general draft was scaled down as manpower was needed for these projects but some extra. Costs 26m talers. National Debt stands at 105m talers and interests rates are low.

Problems:
A. The general draft, while scaled back, hindered economic development at first and is still doing so somewhat.
B. The Polish rebellion, while centred on Krakow and Warsaw causes some unease in the Eastern Provinces.
C. Lack of trade agreements hinders exports.

[SoFarSoGood]

Unless you are giving advice or stipulate in future orders that wish to spy on other 'neutral' countries you will only have guesses at their incomes which I can give upon request, but do not expect your 'guess' to be totally accurate.

[Franconicus]

Great news, although I haven't known that I had debts at all.

Could you please publish the strengths of the armies and navies? Could you also tell me the reasons for the unrest in southern France?

Statement:

The France government assures that it is not at war with the Ottoman Empire. his status will not change unless the Turks hinder French merchants or the Concert asks France for military support.

[SoFarSoGood]

I can notify privately of army and navy strength. I do not believe that France (for example) would know exact Russian numbers or vice versa. If you have an aide de camp with an allied army you may have some idea of the numbers of that army but precise numbers throughout even an allied nation is for them to tell you if they chose. I shall not give them publicly and true unless a player asks me to do so.

The insurrection around Marseilles is 'revolutionary' in nature but that will be made clearer in Chapter 3 unless it is crushed.

If others wish Orders deadline can be brought forward as I have my plans and numbers for 'neutral' countries ready.

For orders please give:

1. Details of investments. For example "5m to railways" is fine but which railway do you want built first? "Recruit 10,000 troops"... again fine but specify cavalry, line infantry, specialist infantry and numbers of each - this helps you!
2. Campaigns and Battles. If you wish to march from A to B fine but you may be safer if you give a marching order of columns. Upto you - just mentioning that not all battles may occur when you want them. With specific battles you wish to take place it may not be that your enemy wishes to give battle so in general the more detail the better for you.
3. Diplomatic messages. Between players obviously these can be sent any time and the same with non played countries. I will give you a general diplomatic summation in future Chapters and private information evidently in private.

[Arjos]

OoC: Are we going to get detailed military infos and expenditures?
Also how is manpower going to work? Do we have limits for the amount available per year and maybe after a certain number, a new generation will be needed or the conscription of peasants, with economic consequences?

His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai wishes to inform all governments that Russia and Austria have signed a defensive entente.

May God bless the Empires!

State Chancellor, Aleksandr Gorchakov

[Kagemusha]

Austria confirms the words of our Russian allies. Emperor Franz Joseph I and Csar Nikolai have signed a defensive entente.

God bless the Empires!

Prince Felix zu Schwarzenberg

[SoFarSoGood]

OoC: Are we going to get detailed military infos and expenditures?
Also how is manpower going to work? Do we have limits for the amount available per year and maybe after a certain number, a new generation will be needed or the conscription of peasants, with economic consequences?

Details of specific costs of unit types differ so for example French Zouaves cost less than Guard Elites. French costs also differ to Russian etc... The numbers and costs given at the start (page 35) should be used an average cost for any single unit type in your country. If you wish more Cavalry or something the average cost will rise while if France wishes to decrease Guard numbers compared to Zouaves average cost would fall. I do not wish to go into further detail than that.

As for manpower there is a small surplus in most countries but again this depends on which country. England or anyone else, could in theory raise a 1m man army but they would come largely from the factories and agricultural sectors so the economy may suffer. Raising a general draft of all able bodied without exemptions is therefore very unwise as people will starve and production cease. Raising 10-20,000 new troops is not a problem for the Great Powers.

[Greyblades]

England:

Income: 120m thalers due to increased investment rising rapidly. New investments in railways to Wales and Scotland are proving more expensive than previous railways as tunnels etc must be created and diversions made to bypass mountainous areas. Commercial shipping trade is a major growth area but nobody is willing to insure ships in Eastern Med due to the recent Anglo French exchange in Cyprus. Costs are 75 million talers as interest rates slightly rise on the National Debt of 320 million talers over growing European war fears which are fuelled by the lack of a Conference agreement on Shleiswig Holstein.

Why am I the only one getting increases to interest? Shouldnt "growing European war fears which are fuelled by the lack of a Conference agreement on Shleiswig Holstein" be affecting everyone?

[SoFarSoGood]

You are not the only one (Danish and Swedish rates have risen sharply) but because the Schleiswig - Holstein situation may result in a pan German conflict (it is feared) this may lead to the cutting off of the Austro Hungarian market temporarily. Bearing in mind the Anglo Austrian free trade agreement and recent Austro - Bavarian customs union gives England export opportunities from Munich to Lvov and Prague to Belgrade and the growing export trade to the Continent and you see why the loss of such a market is feared primarily in England. Basically because because you export the most your trade would suffer most.

The Concert has had ample time to resolve the Schleiswig - Holstein situation but nobody has even thought of inviting Denmark to the current Conference. This bodes ill with British investors.

[Arjos]

The Concert has had ample time to resolve the Schleiswig - Holstein situation but nobody has even thought of inviting Denmark to the current Conference.


Kingdom of Denmark:

We agree to have a Congress to discuss the issue between our two nations.


Christian VIII

Whaaa? :D

[Greyblades]

...Seriously?.. Ok then.

Britain proposes that we suspend the current conference and relocate to Copenhagen, with Denmark's permission of course, if only to ensure that there is a danish diplomat in proximity.
Also Britain on behalf of the concert extends invitations to King Christian VIII of Denmark and Duke Christian August II of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg to attend the conference. We also apologise on behalf of the concert for their exclusion.

[Arjos]

Guys, Denmark is there and probably even the Duke. Jan simply didn't get around posting, should be up to SFSG now...

[Franconicus]

...Seriously?.. Ok then.

Britain proposes that we suspend the current conference and relocate to Copenhagen, with Denmark's permission of course, if only to ensure that there is a danish diplomat in proximity.
Also Britain on behalf of the concert extends invitations to King Christian VIII of Denmark and Duke Christian August II of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg to attend the conference. We also apologise on behalf of the concert for their exclusion.

Wait a moment! It is not England alone who determines who attends and where the meeting should be.
It might be helpful to invite Denmark, though. Therefore, I support this idea. However, we should not have the conference at Kopenhagen. Let's go to a neutral place. If England does not mind, I suggest London.
The other point on the agenda is the Balkans. Is there a chance that we will get an agreement between England, Russia and Austria? If we think so, we may discus this at London. And I suggest to invite the sultan, too. If not, then we should forget the topic and see what will ahppen.

And if England does not want to host the confeence, we all can meet at Paris, of course.

[Greyblades]

Wait a moment! It is not England alone who determines who attends and where the meeting should be.
That's why I said Britain Proposes


It might be helpful to invite Denmark, though. Therefore, I support this idea. However, we should not have the conference at Kopenhagen. Let's go to a neutral place. If England does not mind, I suggest London.
The other point on the agenda is the Balkans. Is there a chance that we will get an agreement between England, Russia and Austria? If we think so, we may discus this at London. And I suggest to invite the sultan, too. If not, then we should forget the topic and see what will ahppen.

And if England does not want to host the confeence, we all can meet at Paris, of course.

Britain would be agreeable to host the conference, should it be necissary, and britain is open to suggestions on the balkan situation.

[Kagemusha]

So with what kind of time table can we gather at London? Concerning Balkans. Austria and Russia both support the Austrian solution and how we understand.Britain does not reject the Austrian plan, but only will not take active part in executing the plan. Have we understood the British stand correctly? If so.All we need is for France to clearly express their thoughts concerning the issue and maybe we can then reach an agreement.

Austria proposes that the Balkan issue to be concluded in this conference and that the Schlesvig -Holstein issue will be moved into the conference of London.

[Franconicus]

The Austrian plan is alright to me. Russia agreed to, and so did Austria, of course.
So is it right that England accepts it too?
And what about Prussia?

Let's try to end this annoying topic and begin with the dinner!

[SoFarSoGood]

Deadline for orders 1 week today: Friday 21st September. I want to move forward as fast as we can and this allows you 1 week for private questions etc... If your orders are late expect them to take effect late!

[Greyblades]

So with what kind of time table can we gather at London? Concerning Balkans. Austria and Russia both support the Austrian solution and how we understand.Britain does not reject the Austrian plan, but only will not take active part in executing the plan. Have we understood the British stand correctly? If so.All we need is for France to clearly express their thoughts concerning the issue and maybe we can then reach an agreement.

Keep to the austrian solution and Britain wont do anything for or against it, do the byzantium solution and britain will help the russian-austrian alliance, Go with Russia's original plan and Britain will join the Ottoman's side. Unless someone has any other solutions to propose, I think that is all.

Now if you dont mind those shrimp pasties have been calling to me all day.

[Arjos]

Seems like an agreement was finally reached!

So please, can all the gentlemen sign this mandate?


Greece will get control of the Duchies of Thessaly, Macedon, Epirus, Adrianopol, Thrace, Konstantinopol, Nikae, Samos, Cibyrrhaeot, Ionian Islands, Crete, Dodecanese Islands and Cyprus.
In Western and Eastern Balkans. Bosnia and Herzegovina will be included to Croatian crown, which is already under Austrian rule. Kingdom of Serbia will also become part of Austrian Empire.
In Eastern Balkans. Russian Bessarabia will be joined with other principalities of Wallachia under Russian rule. South from it a Bulgarian Kingdom will be formed under Russian Empires rule.

Admiral Putyatin reaches for his pen, ready to sign aswell.

We also have no issue in postponing the Schleswig-Holstein matter for the London Conference.

[Franconicus]

Prussia hasn't agreed, has she?

[Greyblades]

It's a bit late but I'm going to change tack, If I may ask what is so bad about byzantium?

[Kagemusha]

Did we not discuss this all ready? We feel that our Southern neighbor should have a stable power base. Without Greeks, such Empire would not have one.

[Greyblades]

Couldn't it use austria and russia as an initial powerbase until it developes it's own? The way I see it the alliance was already planning on devoting a smililar amount of resources on annexing the area and greece will still need some resources to hold the land, indeed the rebelliousness could even cause enough damage to offset the manpower saved.

Also as a king Othan could be persuaded to swear fealty to a Byzantium emperor without having to give up his status and authority, with that a byzantium empire could be built with greece as a power base.

[SoFarSoGood]

Athens 'Southern Banner' reports:

"For the last few days Athens has been a hotbed of rumor. Two months ago due to the ongoing conflict in Ottoman Europe a new army recruitment drive was launched which unnamed sources suggest have resulted in some 40,000 volunteers. The recent rumors though that a deal has been agreed in Frankfurt that would involve a great enlargement of His Majesties Kingdom caused a great stir since they surfaced last week. Conflicting rumors suggest that an Egyptian army is sighted off Crete and the Sultan has surrendered Thessaloniki. Many report frequent visits by French, though some say Austrian, diplomats to the newly finished Palace in Athens. Some claim to have seen the Sultans Grand Vizier himself in the town. Others report the Sarakatsani are being armed in Thrace.

Certainly Athens seems to be centre of world rumor. While 2 weeks ago unrest was growing today all the talk is of war though against who nobody can say for certain. A new patriosm and confidence is in the air as the Greek capital awaits an official announcement."

[Greyblades]

...On the other hand, maybe it is a bad idea after all.


OOC:Grumble grumble....Stupid greeks and thier stupid patriotism.... no way they agree to it now... Grumble grumble....

[Franconicus]

france is irritateted by the English diplomacy.

[SoFarSoGood]

OOC: As a matter of interest by the by so to speak while I was researching last night I found out that what is today the Greek Parliament Building, which no doubt most have seen on news footage about 'austerity riots' in Athens, was finished in 1843 and was the Royal Palace of the then King. So when you imagine diplomats scrambling around Athens in this game it there that your envoys are fighting to get into. Just thought it was interesting...

[Greyblades]

france is irritateted by the English diplomacy.

OOC: If it's the attitude I'm sorry, but I do think being quite irritated/irritating fits with current events.

[Greyblades]

Gentlmen, I have just recieved a message from the King of Greece, apparantly he is of the impression that this is the proposed borders:
https://imageshack.us/a/img831/2012/newborders.jpg
We are understandably a little confused, considering that austria told the conference that the new borders would be this:
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1814/greecesx.jpg
It would be apreciated if the honorable gentlmen in Austria would clear up this confusion.

[SoFarSoGood]

Statement of Josef Ludwig von Armansperg, President of the Privy Council of Greece:

"Internal Reforms

Last week His Majesty, mindful of public good will and good order and after consulting leading members of society, instituted the composition of a Council of State to be headed by Petros Mavromichalis who is also made a Privy Counsellor. Upon the Councils advice His Majesty has ordered that supression of the Monasteries shall cease. The Council of State, with his Majesties consent has announced a large investment program worth 5m talers per year for 5 years which will be given as loans to private businesses specialising in factories and ship building.

King Othon and Queen Amalia are today undergoing baptism into the Orthodox Greek faith. King Othon is named 'King of the Greeks'.

General Yannis Makriyannis is appointed Commander in Chief of his Majesties Forces and Privy Counsellor.


The Balkans and the Frankfurt Conference

His Majesty and the Council of State welcome the consideration of the Great Powers in regard to Greece at the recent Conference. Having received assurances that neither Austria nor Russia will make a seperate peace until the boundaries on the map here: https://imageshack.us/a/img831/2012/newborders.jpg are achieved and accepted by the Sultan His Majesty has today issued such demands to the Sultan. The Sultan has one week to consider our demands. Accordingly and upon the advice of General Yannis Makriyannis the Council of State and his Majesty have agreed to call for volunteers for military service. Volunteers can sign up in Nafplio and in Athens.

We urge those Greeks currently in Ottoman lands who are at liberty to do so, to return to the homeland and take up arms to regain your lands currently under under Oppression. Arms and training will be given you and God willing Hagia Sophia cleansed, ancient lands restored and Christian rule returned to ancient Greek homelands."

[Kagemusha]

To the British representative. It is a different map, scetched by Imperial Russia, it shows Trebizond, which our map doesnt.A area with large Geek population. What seems to be the problem?

[Greyblades]

It would have been nice if the conference didn't have to become aware of changes to the plans from an NPC, approval from the entire concert should be attained before changes are made in future. As for this change, Britain has no objections.

[Kagemusha]

We are sorry about the inconvenience. We are going to take drastic measures with our cartographers and assure you that in future, better and more detailed ones are presented.

[Greyblades]

We are going to take drastic measures with our cartographers
OOC: Good lord. First france's translators now austria's cartographers? If I keep this up you lot might start running out of underlings to execute.

[Kagemusha]

As we are known to be benevolent. No executions are required. Few years and winters at Balkan mountains drawing local geographical local maps will bring forth necessary interest for details.

[Prince Cobra]

Letter to H.I.M. Kaizer Franz Joseph

I would like to humbly wish my Emperor a glorious reign that is to maintain the peace and stability of the Empire and the Dynasty. This is not an easy task but during the years, I had the honour to observe how His Imperial Majesty mastered the art of politics and warfare. Unfortunately, my health does not allow me to stand to my Emperor now. However, I leave the office I have occupied for three decades in safe hands. Furst zu Schwarzenberg is a loyal servant to the Dynasty, skilled in diplomacy and politics; in other words, a man the Dynasty and the Empire needs.

I now seize the opportunity to devote the rest of my time to my family, my friends and may finally begin my memoirs. Saying this, I stay a loyal servant of the Dynasty, the Emperor, and the Empire.

Klemens Wenzel, Prince von Metternich, ex-Chancellor of the Austrian Empire

P.S. I cast a look on this wonderful Interactive and now I find I am again one with the character I have played so long. We are both retired ~:) Well, historically, Metternich still helped the new Emperor in one or two diplomatic missions. That might be interesting, though right now I am not even sure I will have time for that as well. But thank you guys, it's been really a wonderful experience to get back to this thread. ~:p

[Kagemusha]

Nice to see you still visiting, old friend.Hopefully we can one day yet again enjoy playing a game with you.:bow:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Prussia is under the assumption that we already settled the Danish issue?

[Franconicus]

Letter to H.I.M. Kaizer Franz Joseph

I would like to humbly wish my Emperor a glorious reign that is to maintain the peace and stability of the Empire and the Dynasty. This is not an easy task but during the years, I had the honour to observe how His Imperial Majesty mastered the art of politics and warfare. Unfortunately, my health does not allow me to stand to my Emperor now. However, I leave the office I have occupied for three decades in safe hands. Furst zu Schwarzenberg is a loyal servant to the Dynasty, skilled in diplomacy and politics; in other words, a man the Dynasty and the Empire needs.

I now seize the opportunity to devote the rest of my time to my family, my friends and may finally begin my memoirs. Saying this, I stay a loyal servant of the Dynasty, the Emperor, and the Empire.

Klemens Wenzel, Prince von Metternich, ex-Chancellor of the Austrian Empire

P.S. I cast a look on this wonderful Interactive and now I find I am again one with the character I have played so long. We are both retired ~:) Well, historically, Metternich still helped the new Emperor in one or two diplomatic missions. That might be interesting, though right now I am not even sure I will have time for that as well. But thank you guys, it's been really a wonderful experience to get back to this thread. ~:p


Hey PC, we have a new superpower, Greece. Wouldn't that be the right challange for you?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

According to newspapers all over the German lands there is reports of suppression of German people in the Danish controlled lands. In one small riot, 20 German were reported killed and 100 arrested. The German people are outraged on this matter and they are awaiting the Prussian/Austrian government response to Denmark........

[Franconicus]

France demands a statement of the King of Denmark. And he urges the Concert to come to a resolution to end this trouble before it gets out of control.

[Kagemusha]

Austria has already proposed to move the Schlesvig- Holstein issue to the London conference. We must point out that our government is extremely pressed with machinations of the Austrian succession and with the war with Ottomans.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

That may be so my Austrian brothers, but I am worried about riots up north. I will be glad to take care of the problem now or in London while Austria is busy with your revolutions. If you need any help let me know troop wise.

[SoFarSoGood]

Will Denmark be given a seat at the London Conference or merely have to 'wait outside'? Sweden also expresses a desire to have some say.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I'm willing to hear what they have to say.

[SoFarSoGood]

Russian and Prussian orders gratefully received. Extra brownie points for being early!

[Franconicus]

Deadline is still Friday, isn't it?

[Franconicus]

To all French Citizens!

Today I, Louis-Philip, King of the French, want to give you a picture of the current state of the nation and the future of our nation.

During the age of the Ancien Regieme and the Revolution, our nation passed through dark periods of suppression and insecurity. Both extremes led our people into disaster. Since I took responsibility of the government, I tried to heal the wounds and to find the right balance between freedom and regulation.

At the beginning of our reign, France was an isolated and disdained country. Today, our nation is a well respected member of the concert of Europe and a guarantor for stability and wealth at Europe. French diplomacy had a big share of the successful solution of the Balkan crisis. Lately our alliances with the Benelux and the cooperation with the Greek army demonstrated the important role of France.

Today France is a strong and reliable nation, surrounded by friendly neighbors. She is well protected by her armed forces. Although our forces are relatively small, they are extremely powerful. It is one goal of my policy to further increase the military strength of our nation. The navy is already modernizing and the modernization of our army will soon begin.

Besides the protection of the nation it is one important goal of my policy to increase the wealth of the nation. Trade agreements, scientific achievements, improvements of the infrastructure, a new education system and reforms of the administration caused a rapid improvement of the wealth of our country. We will go.

However, we see that the new wealth is not reality for all French citizens. Therefore I have already passed special edicts for the industrial and agricultural workers. Today, child labor is abolished, pension and health funds established. However, there is still a lot to do to make the working citizens participate in the wealth of our nation. Therefore I instructed my ministers to work on a law to allow freedom of strike, so that workers can get fair wages. Unions are allowed. However, the right to strike is limited to economic issues, political strikes are forbidden. Furthermore, I decided to limit the maximum of weakly working hours to 70, working hours in public owned factories are limited to a maximum of 60 hours per week. I also introduce a minimum wage for industrial workers. A royal inspector is announced to give regulation to avoid accidents at work. Finally, I want the introduction of industrial share based funds for workers, so that even people with low income can participate in the raise of our economy. These funds should be managed by the unions.

As I said at the beginning of my speech, I am trying to find the right balance between freedom and regulation. Lately, we all heard about disquietness at Southern France. I do not know exactly what the issue is, but I can assure those people that if they have reasons to complain, I will take care. I already sent a royal inspector to the affected provinces. However, disorder and violence will not be tolerated at all.
As I see that the order in our country is growing stronger, I decided to give more freedom. I made following decisions:

- women have the same rights and duties as male citizens except the right to serve in the armed forces;
- every citizen has the same rights at the justice
- as mentioned before, there is the right to strike
- mayors and governors of the provinces will be determined by free and equal elections
- the French parliament will consist of two chambers; the first chamber will be elected by a all French citizens which pay at least a certain amount of taxes or served in the armed for forces for at least 20 years; the second chamber will be elected by all other citizens.
- All laws as well as the budget tabled by the Royal government have to be agreed by at least one of these chambers. Excluded are all laws regarding military, war and foreign affairs, which can be decided by the King himself.

Today France is the leading nation in culture, technology, science and economy. It is our task to give the advantages of our culture to other nations and to fight slavery and barbarism.

French citizens, we all are looking to a bright future. The government had created opportunities for all. Use them. To each and every citizen I say: Get rich!
And happy!

[SoFarSoGood]

7234

1842 pic Louis-Philippe.

[Greyblades]

Will Denmark be given a seat at the London Conference or merely have to 'wait outside'? Sweden also expresses a desire to have some say.

I assume that I speak for the concet when I say that King Christian VIII of Denmark, Duke Christian August II of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg and Charles XIV John of Sweden are free to attend or send representatives to the london conference and Britain extends an invitation to each.

OOC: You might be best expecting late orders, my first week of Greenwich University has so far been quite hectic. Also, Fraconius can I borrow your speechwriter? I've been running out of fertilizer recently.

[Franconicus]

No, but I could send you fine French sea maps with detailed drawings of South Africa and South America. I assume this could help you and th Royal Navy!

[SoFarSoGood]

Plenty of time between now and Friday during Freshers week.

[Greyblades]

Plenty of time between now and Friday during Freshers week.

...no there really isnt, I have early starts and full scheduals for the next three days and I really haven't been in the mood to think through a proper set of orders after the last 2.

[SoFarSoGood]

I hope you can find time at the weekend.

[Franconicus]

From La Gazette:

Ottoman Sultan insults France.
As we heard from the foreign ministry it received a message from the sultan of the Ottoman Empire today. We quote:

Blasphemer and Infidel!

You help Greeks and then address me as 'Dear'? Restore Cyprus to me and I may spare your accursed eyes. Your Ambassador is expelled and our relations severed unless I receive 15 million talers in compensation with apologies within a month.
Will the King tolerate such a behavior never seen on the diplomatic field before. We hope he will not! We hope he sents our Royal Navy to send him the apologies he deserves.

[SoFarSoGood]

OOC: So I just had a couple of pms from Secura (the admin). Seems Jan's account has been "suspended", not sure why but I suppose something has happened which is wrong. Secura has offered to help find a replacement player; "is there anything else I can do to arrange a replacement?".

All a bit puzzling to me but we shall have to regard Jan as a casualty of Schleiswig Holstein riots.

[Greyblades]

Hey, franconius, you used to be a moderator what does accound suspension signify?

I hope you can find time at the weekend.

Of course, I just dont want to make the orders in my current frame of mind in case I mess them up.

[Arjos]

OoC: lol and me thinking those Schleswig-Holstein riots, were prussian propaganda :P

[SoFarSoGood]

Statement of His Holiness Pope Gregory XVI:

Our Blessings and Prayers are with all the Monarchs and people of Europe.

We note with especial pleasure the endeavours of the His Most Catholic Highness Kaiser Franz Joseph I of Austria and Hungary to liberate those Christians who for so long have had to endure persecution and torment under Ottoman Rule. We commend and pray also for our Eastern brethren of Greece and Russia, Czar Nikolas and King Othon, who have once again taken up such a rightful union and accord. Today we have signed a new Papal Bull naming Fransiscus Josephus of Austria & etc Fidei Defensor and sent him our own Holy Banner to guide his armies. To the Czar we send a fragment of the True Cross.

To our most the Most Learned Patriarchs of Moscow and Constantinople we send salutation and invitation to a Grand Synod.

We are most troubled by the disturbances in France, Italy, Hungary and Poland. A Monarch is unto his people as a wise father to a child. If you have cause for complaint, if you have been scolded too often, then speak out but taking up a stick to your father is contrary to the Gospel. Rather believe that God himself will provide your Salvation as he did with Isaac. We pray that all Monarchs will remember that they are raised by God to their places of care for their people and in this regard we heartily welcome the recent statement of the Louis Philippe, King of the French.

May God be with you all.

[Greyblades]

:inquisitive: The Catholic pope being supportive to the orthodox tzar? I thought I would never see the day.

[Secura]

Hey, franconius, you used to be a moderator what does accound suspension signify?

The account has been suspended until further notice, and thus the player requires replacing. If I can help find a new player, I will do whatever I can to facilitate that. :bow:

[Kagemusha]

Maybe SoFarSoGood, could give you details what we are searching for and your could create an announcement from it?

[Franconicus]

Sorry, I have no idea about this suspension thing. I seams as if Prussia was cursed. No one on the replacement list. By the way, it would be great to have a player for Greece, too, as it seems to become a great power.

[Greyblades]

Hrm, I dont think it would be much fun to play greece, you'd be spending the next 10 years upgrading just to catch up with everyone else. Also I have a good rapport with the npc greece.

[SwordsMaster]

Hi gents,

I've been convinced to join you and give Prussia a go. Sofarsogood, could you send me a summary of what I need to know?

Thanks!

[SoFarSoGood]

Is fine by me and if others are ok with that we can get going... again again!

[Greyblades]

OOC: I just realized I have no idea the full extent of my trade agreements, the only countries I am 100% sure I'm trading with is with China, Austria and the Ottoman empire. I assume I'm trading with the concert and the USA, but I'm not sure where else, could I get a list please?

[Franconicus]

Swordsmaster, it is great to have you in the game.

Greybaldes, I see you follow English traditions.

SoFarSoGood: Could we postpone the deadline to Sunday, please?

[SoFarSoGood]

On deadline delay sure... Greyblades is likely to be late anyway and Swordsmaster will probably need more time.

[Kagemusha]

Great to have you SwordsMaster! Its fantastic to have a veteran player like you to join in.:bow:

Im also very happy concerning the Sunday deadline. There is so much to do... ;)

[SoFarSoGood]

OOC: I just realized I have no idea the full extent of my trade agreements, the only countries I am 100% sure I'm trading with is with China, Austria and the Ottoman empire. I assume I'm trading with the concert and the USA, but I'm not sure where else, could I get a list please?

Majority of English trade is with the Empire. Free trade with Austria that I know of for certain. First Opium War ended in 1842 and under the Treaty of Nanking is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Nanking

British trade with the US has grown since the 1812 war.

[SwordsMaster]

On deadline delay sure... Greyblades is likely to be late anyway and Swordsmaster will probably need more time.

Well, I'm getting things done. I could have orders tomorrow if need be.

[SoFarSoGood]

Fran and Greyblades are going to be late so deadline is set back to Sunday.

[Franconicus]

New taxation:

The Kingdom of France introduces new taxes on luxury goods and on goods from non French colonies.
Taxes and customns for the production and sale of steam engines are suspended for five years.

[SwordsMaster]

Prussia introduces new immigration laws:

All new immigrants into the Kingdom will have rights equal to those of the Prussian citizens as long as they learn german.

[Greyblades]

Greybaldes, I see you follow English traditions.


Not sure how to take that one.

[Kagemusha]

Speech of Franz Joseph I, The Austrian Emperor at Vienna,

Citizen´s of Austrian Empire and all Europeans,

This is a historical day. Ever since the fall of Constantinople and Battle of Mohacs, Central and Eastern Europe has fought the Turk defending Europe from their endless invasions. Countless generations of my fore fathers have fought the Turk, with various Christian King´s and Prince´s in order to preserve Europe from the Crescent Moon. Twice the Turk has been standing at the gates of this very city and twice they have been thrown back to east.

Today i can tell you,my honourable countrymen, that the centuries old dream of all the Emperor´s,Prince´s, Duke´s and Elector´s of the Holy Roman Empire, with the blessing of our Holy Father the Pope is upon us. All Balkan´s is rising as one man against the Turk. Bosnian, Serb´s, Albanian, Greek, Wallachian and Bulgarian´s are all ready to overthrow the tyranny of the Turk. At such time, i call for all the allies of ours to raise arms for this historical task. Any Prince that call´s him Christian should follow in suite. The mighty Russian Empire stands together with us and more Christian Kingdoms are following the example we have set forth.

At such time, unity is essential. Now is not the time to argue among ourselves, but stand united against a common foe. We understand the need for people to express their opinions and because of that. The Imperial Government will introduce a two chambered Imperial Parliament, where all the administrative areas will have their elected representatives, so peoples voices are heard. We approve that, but any man, more so in dire situation like this, who raises arms against his own country, should be assumed Unlawful and even Godless, when their actions might hamper our great task. So we ask for any man now who has raised the flags of rebellion, to lay down their arms and return to their lawful lives and the Empire will forgive them, like a father forgives their children for reckless act without malice determination, but those who will not heed our words, only thing that waits, is the salary of traitor.

Only with such determination can we fulfill the dream that once could only be whispered, a dream that now should be shouted out from the bottom of ones lungs. Free Europe from Turk!

Franz Joseph I Emperor of Austria

[SoFarSoGood]

OOC: Not all Albanians... the Vizier of Egypt is (oddly) Albanian. Some very interesting orders gratefully received. Should be quite a Chapter!

[Kagemusha]

OOC: Not all Albanians... the Vizier of Egypt is (oddly) Albanian. Some very interesting orders gratefully received. Should be quite a Chapter!

Vizier is but a single man. P

In fact many of the high ranking administrators in Ottoman Empire were originally Eastern Europeans from Ottoman domains that were made as slaves of Sultan. Just like the famous janissary corps originally was.

[SwordsMaster]

The Prussian suggestion to the Ottoman question:

Since there is no preventing the triumph of Christian Arms over the Turk, it is the suggestion of His Majesty that a greek kingdom is created on the European territories of the Ottoman Empire, with the exclusion of Thrace. Thrace, and its anatolian territories should be created as a reconstituted Byzantine Empire, as there is no denying that a shared cultural heritage makes them more suited to become a single state than an artificial separation between different geopolitical entities.

Prussia would support such a solution, and propose Friedrich Heinrich Albrecht von Hohenzollern as Emperor.

[Kagemusha]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?108401-Concert-of-Europe&p=2053483557&viewfull=1#post2053483557

[SoFarSoGood]

Awaiting orders from Austria, Prussia and England.... Have already started planning bits.

[Franconicus]

This year, there will be the first international Chess tournament at the Café de la Régence at Paris.
The first fotbal-club is found at Paris: Royal Paris-Versailles.

(The French Fotbal Federation offers licnses to all other countries but will keep the TV rights for the next three centuries. TV is something you do not have but what is currently tested in the TechLabs at Sorbonne).

[Greyblades]

Due to recent events her majesty's government has recently announced the upcoming deployment of the 3rd, 4th and 5th fleet, as of now all traders in the eastern mediteranian are now under the protection of Britain and any ship, regardless of nationality, found attacking trading vessels in the eastern mediterainian, outside of the contested region of the agean sea and the region around cyprus, will be siezed or sunk by the Royal Navy.

[SwordsMaster]

OOC: Orders sent!

IC:

The prussian navy, including 2 new ships-of-the line will begin operations to rid the Baltic of pirates. H.M. urges the rulers of Russia, Sweden, and Denmark to join him in this holy enterprise, and protect the legitimate traders of all nations plying their trade in the Baltic sea.

In order to provide coordination and leadership to the operation, the countries with interests in the Baltic are invited to join the Danzig Council of Piracy set up to deal and advise the Navy on how to best deal with this problem.

Admiral Adalbert

PS: It is unnecessary to remind all Prussians and other citizens that the penalty for Banditry and piracy in Germany is death.

[Franconicus]

His Majesty, the King of France sees the harsh message of the socalled sultan as a declaration of war. Therefore he decided to join Austria and Russia to create a the forces of the willing to execute the communique of the Concert. His majesty already sent his Royal Navy and the Royal French army to give the right answer to the Turks.

Any ship, regardless of nationality, found supporting the Ottoman Empire or threatening Greece or the operational area of France, Austria or Russia will, will be siezed or sunk by the Royal Navy.

The area around Cyprus and along the coasts of the Levantin and Egypt are combat zone and closed for all foreign nations.

[SoFarSoGood]

Ty SwordsMaster.

OOC: Seems like half the Med has been 'closed'....

[Franconicus]

no, the coasts of Spain. Morocco, Algeria, Lybia, Italy, Balkans, Greece, Aisa Monor as well ass all islands excepts Cyprus are still open.

[Greyblades]

no, the coasts of Spain. Morocco, Algeria, Lybia, Italy, Balkans, Greece, Aisa Monor as well ass all islands excepts Cyprus are still open.
...Seeing as Britain get's about half of it's cotton from the Egyptians, I'm going to have to ask for an exception. Or does your blockade not include trading vessels?

[SoFarSoGood]

Still waiting for orders from England and Austria...

[Franconicus]

...Seeing as Britain get's about half of it's cotton from the Egyptians, I'm going to have to ask for an exception. Or does your blockade not include trading vessels?

Our Royal Navy will be operating there and there may be combats there. We can simply not guarantee the safety of the merchant ships, but we will not stop them if they enter the zone on their own risks.

[SoFarSoGood]

Do I detect 'exclusion zone' rivalries? As there is already (without counting Austria and England) a great deal to cover in Chapter 3 I propose to cover it in two public parts; one military and one internal non military. I shall post 'main military events' first and pm details of the progress of various bits. The same with the second part dealing with internal affairs.

[Arjos]

Fine by me ^^
Take your time and if you need any help, holla :P

[Greyblades]

Our Royal Navy will be operating there and there may be combats there. We can simply not guarantee the safety of the merchant ships, but we will not stop them if they enter the zone on their own risks.

That is acceptable, we are sending our own navy to ensure thier safety, as long as the French, Austrian, Egyptian and/or Ottoman navies do not actively seek and attack noncombatant ships in the region there should not be any problems.

[SoFarSoGood]

Don't think the Egyptians want their cotton trade interrupted. I await English orders on this with great interest...

[SoFarSoGood]

Only Austria to go...

For those players on an 'extended campaign' where submitted orders do not cover every eventuality I have given a single either/or opportunity to make a single 'mid campaign decision'.

In some ways this helps me as I do not have to presume their decisions where orders do not cover it. No details will be given just either a or b or yes/no.

KM last seen 4 days ago...

[SoFarSoGood]

Well I have got as far as I can go with Chapter 3 without knowing Austrian details...

[Arjos]

Konstantin von Kaufman, on route to Belgrade, via Transylvania, bought the latest edition of the Wiener Zeitung. The first page read: Franz Joseph Abducted?

He spilled his coffee in disbelief...

[Kival]

I'd like to take part in the game. I already spoke with SoFarSoGood and he's fine with it. Have to make sure, no player is objecting, though.

EDIT:

Some of you still know me from the Game of Thrones' game, first as player, than as co-host. For the others... hm, my english is a little limited but most say it's bearable, I have some experience with forum games and some knowledge of the time frame (played Victoria II for example).

[SoFarSoGood]

No problem with me. If other's don't object chose your country!

[SwordsMaster]

Yeah, welcome.

[Greyblades]

NO MERCY!!!

Oh hi!

[Franconicus]

I'd like to take part in the game. I already spoke with SoFarSoGood and he's fine with it. Have to make sure, no player is objecting, though.

EDIT:

Some of you still know me from the Game of Thrones' game, first as player, than as co-host. For the others... hm, my english is a little limited but most say it's bearable, I have some experience with forum games and some knowledge of the time frame (played Victoria II for example).

Welcome! We could change the language to German, couldn't we? Are you playing as Austria?

[Arjos]

I have no problem of course!

Also don't get deceived by the new signature, he might actually change faction :P

[SoFarSoGood]

Kagemusha last activity last Friday (21st Sept). I propose to give him until tomorrow to get his orders in. If nothing by then I shall take the Austrian move myself (luckily I know something of Austrian details :yes:) and will post Chapter 3 Part 1 (Public Military Affairs) and pm private details on Saturday.

Kival if you want to submit orders you can but with one exception; you cannot attack anyone this turn. Otherwise they would have to reconsider their plans and this means alot of rolling back and is unfair on other players.

[Kival]

Arjos

No, I'll stay with Sardinia-Piedmont now

Franconicus

Haha, ya, I'm german.



Kival if you want to submit orders you can but with one exception; you cannot attack anyone this turn. Otherwise they would have to reconsider their plans and this means alot of rolling back and is unfair on other players.

Okay, sure, Can you give me some infos what is going on in my neighbouring provinces (Modena, Tosacana and the Swiss and so?) If it's too much work I'll just try to guess by the historical knowledge I have.

To clear up: Do you only mean military attacks or is any kind of action which would work "against" another player restricted?

[Franconicus]

And Austria??

[SoFarSoGood]

To clear up: Do you only mean military attacks or is any kind of action which would work "against" another player restricted?

Diplomacy between players can be continued at any time - also between players and non player countries. You cannot attack any country that has a player (France, Austria etc etc) this turn. Internal plans fine, diplomacy fine anytime, attack (for example) Switzerland fine. Attack France or Austria no.

For now I consider Austria as being played, even should KageMusha miss this turn he deserves longer before Austria becomes 'available' for someone else to take over. For now though if you have requests to Austria ask both Kage and cc to me.

[Franconicus]

Do you want to leave your life, your wife, yur name behind? Make a new start? Come to the LEGION!

[Greyblades]

Do you want to leave your life, your wife, your name behind? Make a new start? Not die for the french? Come to AUSTRALIA!

[SoFarSoGood]

Both advertising for criminals!

Ok... any last changes or orders before midnight UK time pls. Tomorrow we move forward.

[Kival]

Ok... any last changes or orders before midnight UK time pls. Tomorrow we move forward.

Oh, I see, thought I could write them this night/in the morning. But no problem, I'll join next chapter (?) then.

[SoFarSoGood]

If you have military orders say now and submit asap. If you have internal orders tomorrow is fine.

[SoFarSoGood]

Well here goes! The long awaited Chapter 3 kicks off... I hope it puzzles you!

Chapter 3 Part 1: Main Militay Events (Jan 1st 1844 to Jan 1st 1845)

Some events will be kept private and related by pm, you are free to make details public if you chose. These are events that are known to all. Details are distance calculated and have dates for battles etc. Movement and terrain in the details have been averaged.


General Overview

The Ottoman Sultan and Mohammed Ali of Egypt, while the Concert were discussing the future in Frankfurt, signed a peace Treaty in February (it was the first thing I realised when I became 'host' so I say February as Metternich left Frankfurt early). That same month a Jihad was proclaimed all over the Ottoman Empire, the French invasion (outlined below) added impetus to the Jihad. This was why the French Ambassador was "insulted" and expelled from Cairo (it wasn't actualy the Sultan who insulted him). It seems though that in general the Concert underestimate the Ottomans; the Dolmabahçe Palace was started in 1843 and cost 35 tons of gold.

In general I set my plans for non player 'factions' BEFORE orders arrived and have stuck to them.

I have also taken into account the Papal (Gregory XVI) announcement that rebellion is normaly bad. This has eased some of the rebellious fervor for now but more of that in Part 2.

I have tried to play Austria 'safely' assuming KM will return.


Russia


Balkan Campaign - Details sent privately.


A Holy Banner of St George is consecrated and leaves Moscow with the Czar and an army plus Nuns who have volunteered to run Hospitals leaves Moscow before a thaw sets in. They set out for Edirne.

The Russian Black Sea Fleet, with supply vessels, sets off from Odessa to Varna. They are intercepted while rounding the headland east of Kavarna. The Battle of Kavarna Bay ensues. The Russian Fleet withdraws. Tactical draw, Strategic Ottoman victory.

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'Corps Engelhardt' leaves Iasi and marches south. They reach Varna which is unoccupied but docks are damaged. Engelhardt is informed of the Naval action and sends a boat to Odessa saying the Turks have gone. The Fleet and supply vessels return. They set about repairs and the Fleet guards the convoy route. Meanwhile...

'Corps Gorchakov' leaves Iasi after the Czar has arrived and head for Bucharest. They encounter a minor ambush near Fundeni. Russian victory. Gorchakov leaves a garrison at Ploesti and marches to Bucharest. His army is denied entry by Prince Gheorghe Bibescu but food is available for a price. He sends messengers to Varna and Iasi and waits. Engelhardt leaves a garrison at Varna and marches to Bucharest. Still the Prince will not open the city. The Czars Orders arrive. Engelhardt and his Corps march to Plovdiv which they occupy without a fight. Engelhardt leaves a garrison at Plovdiv then advances on Edirne where he is forced to fight.

The Battle of Edirne is quite a desperate affair and Engelhardt at first tries to withdraw. Mistakes are made. Result: Tactical Draw, Strategic Ottoman victory.

The Czar arrives at Bucharest with an army to join Gorchakovs army. Diplomatic talks get nowhere and after a week they leave Bucharest. Gorchakov enters Craiova and leaves a garrison and reaches Vidin without resistance. The Czar marches to Plovdiv and he and Engelhardt, with their forces joined, approach Edirne again and are ambushed near Svilengrad losing a few men. In Edirne, now renamed Adrianople again, they are greeted by King Othon of Greece with a Greek army.

News arrives at Edirne of the First Battle of Varna which is a Russian Defeat. A handful of men of the Varna garrsion bring news to Ploesti. The Czar orders Engelhardt to retake Varna (This was the Russian midturn choice: Assault Bucharest or retake Varna) with his remaining army. Engelhardt starts to beseige Burgas but when an Ottoman fleet appears he breaks the siege and continues to Varna. The Ottoman fleet and transports arrive before him.

There occurs a Second Battle of Varna which is a desperate battle and occurs over 2 days. Russian 'Pyhrric' victory.

Engelhardt then faces bombardment and a truce. He agrees to abandon the town is given a small escort "back to Russia". His men are alowed to keep their arms. At Braila more of his wounded are fit for service again and Russian supply train is encountered. The escorting Ottomans are taken prisoner and Engelhardt with a small force returns to Varna where he fights the Third Battle of Varna which is a Russian Victory.

The Czar then orders Gorchakov to leave a garrison at Vidin and take Burgas. This he manages to do; Russian Victory. Gorchakov sends a reinforcement to Engelhardt at Varna and Engelhardt sends a reinforcement to Ploesti.


Russian Caucuses/Eastern Anatolian Campaign

Major General Ivane Andronikashvili leaves his base with an army and moves south through Georgia and Armenia. Briefly he enters Persia before returning to Armenia. He then marches west and assaults Van.

Van in 1890 is depicted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Rock_and_Walled_City_of_Van_%281893%29.jpg

He fails and is forced to give up. Andronikashvili marches north and occupies Agri (Karakose today). He leaves a garrison and continues north to Kars where the citadel holds out. He leaves troops to lay seige and marches futher north to Artvin where he is greeted as a new Bagratid King of Armenia. He returns to Kars and eventualy the garrison surrender. He sends further reinforcements to both Agri and Artvin. The campaign is regarded 3/4 successful.


Russian Suppression of Polish Revolt

General Field Marshal Ivan Paskevich sets off for Warsawa which he finds in rebel hands and a swift Russian Victory ensues. He marches south to Krakow and is informed that by International Treaty it is a Free City. He asks for orders from the Czar but his dispatches go back to St Petersburg before heading to Moscow and then south to find the Czar at Adrianople/Edirne. He has no reply before next year.




France


French Expedition to the Indian Ocean Details privately.

A small French fleet with transport and supply vessels sailed down the coast and was 'invited' ashore by a British Naval Squadron off the Cape Colony where the Governor General Maitland (yes he of Waterloo) had their ships repaired and forced them to play cricket (Maitland was a 1st Class Batsman). The French (perhaps diplomaticaly) lost the cricket game: British Cricket Victory. They are then 'escorted' by Her Majesties Navy until a storm arises. The French fleet survive but put into Reunion. After that nobody tracked their course. Some say that Zanzibar now carries a French flag others Aiden or Oman.


French Expedition to the Levant

Toulon and Marseilles are declared closed to merchant shipping. A vast armada of transport and supply vessels are hired,stolen, or impressed. They depart East and are sighted by British ships (British mid turn choice: assemble an interception fleet? Y/N). The Armada arrives near Cyprus and is informed it has been retaken by Egytian forces. Part of the Fleet continues and the other part bombards then lands troops to recover the Island in the name of King Othon of Greece.

Corps d’Hilliers

The Fleet that continued arrived off Beurit and after a bombardment General d’Hilliers and his Corps are landed and take Beirut: French Victory. After arranging matters in Beirut d’Hilliers swifty marches inland to fight the Battle of Damascus. He becomes the first Christian General to enter Damascus after victory since the Christian Mongul Kitbuqa in 1260: French Victory.

Leaving a garrison at Damascus he then turns north after sending word to the fleet. He divides his Corps but is able to occupy both Homs and Tartus without having to give battle. He orders some redeployments and these pass off peacefuly before sending dispatches back to France and south desribing his situation as "excellent".

d’Hilliers returns to Damascus and with a his main army advances north east toward Palmyra. He observes the ruins and continues his advance east.

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Then news reaches him that Homs is beseiged. He marches west with haste but is does not reach there in time to affect the First Battle of Homs. The garrison, trying to break out, are forced to give battle and the result is a French Defeat. When d’Hilliers arrives he begins a second seige. Later a relieving Ottoman force appears and there is a Second Battle of Homs during which the French persue the retreating Ottomans as far north as Hamah, which they storm. French tactical victory, strategic draw.

d’Hilliers then decides to withdraw from Homs and returns to Beirut. He sends dispatches to Bugeaud requesting support.


Corps Bugeaud

This is the second part of the French Armada and which has retaken Cyprus for Greece (OOC: and the French Naval base).

Having retaken Cyprus this part of the fleet arrives at Jaffa. (Jaffa pic here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MarktJaffaGustavBauernfeind1887.jpg)

A bombardment ensues and then a brief Battle of Jaffa which results in a French Victory. Bugeaud leaves a garrison then swiflty marches onto Jerusalem which is surrendered on condition of respect for all religions. The French General respects the terms of surrender but arrest all Europeans "for their own safety" and send them to Jaffa. After having the region south scouted Bugeaud leaves a garrison and departs south ordering the fleet to supply him before he heads south for Cairo. He reaches Cairo and fights The Second Franco-Egyptian Battle under the the Pyramids which like the first is a French Victory.

Bugeaud sets up a Divan and proclaims himself Military Governor of Egypt until order is restored. He finds the British Ambassador in Cairo and has escorted to Jaffa "for his own safety". He then receives d’Hilliers request for support (the French mid turn choice; support d’Hilliers or try to subdue Egypt). Bugeaud sends a request to the fleet to meet him at Alexandria and leaving a strong garrison marches north.

A French Sqadron of the Fleet arrive before Bugeaud and proclaim the port closed. Merchant vessels attempt to run the blockade and some are sunk. The French start a bombardment until a British Squadron arrive. The French ships withdraw east to Aboukir. Bugeaud arrives and makes contact with the French ships. He assaults Alexandria from the land, the British ships do not interfer. The assualt goes badly; Tactical Draw. French strategic defeat. Bugeaud departs south leaving some troops and wounded to board on the French ships. He then evacuates Cairo and with it's garrison returns to Jaffa.



Britain

The Suppression of the Irish Rebellion is achieved with little loss of life (except for a few rebels) is achieved once new forces arrive at Dublin.

In British India Sir Charles Napier and troops of the East India Company with a British contingent attack Sind (Hyderabad - Karachi region). Two battles occur before British Victory is complete.


Austria


Austrian Conquest of Illyria (Albania)

A large Austrian army gathers at Sofia. A contingent heads west to Skopje where they find King Othon of Greece. They continue west and fight several skirmishes before entering reaching Tirana. A surrender is agreed and the Ottoman garrison later taken prisoner after a breach of their parol. The march continues to the coast and the ports are garrisoned. Austria declares the Adriatic 'open for trade'. A garrison is left at Tirana and a reinforcement sent by ship to Redzeky in Italy. The remaining troops return to Sofia. Austrian Victory.


Austro - Russian Suppression of the Hungarian Revolt

A second small Austrian army marches north (from Sofia) and is joined by reinforments from Vienna at Pecs, they carry with the body of Generel Benedek. Meanwhile at Lvov a Russian army under General of the Cavalry, Karl Lambert joins with Austrian contingents and march south west to Budapest. The armies from north and south converge on Budapest. The decree of the new Kaiser concerning "a two chambered Imperial Parliament" is handed to the remaining rebels who lay down what weapons they have. Order is restored. The Russian army returns to it bases and the Austrians return to Vienna and Sofia.

Austro - Prussian Advance on Constantinople

Before the Austrian army returns south from Budapest they are joined by a Prussian army. They head south together where they hear that Czar is at Plovdiv and the Greeks at Edirne. The joint force with Generals Warman and Dufour marches south east of Edirne and bases itself around Kesan where Prussian, Austrian and the Papal flags are raised.

Austrian Suppresion of the Italian Revolt

Radetzky receives reinforcement by ship from Illyria and takes the offensive. One minor skirmish outside Milan before order is restored.



Piedmont Sardinia

A small fleet and elite force under Prince Ferdinand, Duke of Genoa, having received the Popes blessing and a Papal banner set out from Genoa and passing through the Straits of Messina reach Cyprus. There they are welcomed by General Bugeaud. The Prince and General dine together. The Prince and the Sardinian fleet proceed to Beirut where they arrive at the end of the battle. The Prince meets the French General d’Hilliers.

They leave with d’Hilliers for Damascus and take part in the battle there. The Prince raises the Papal banner over his residence in Damascus making him the first ever (to my knowledge) to do so. He pays his respects at the tomb of Saladin. The Prince and his force accompany the French force to Tartus where his ships have helped the French in a bombardment. The Prince is able to stop the French garrison at Tartus retreating when d’Hilliers withdraws from Homs.



I will try to have Chapter 3 Part 2 done by Tuesday - Wednesday latest which will deal research and investment details.

[Arjos]

Ty for the chapter!
All the work in the public and private details is much appreciated ^^

[Franconicus]

Great! Never seen so much work and details in any other interactive before!

[SoFarSoGood]

:smoking: I hope you understand why 'details' are private; Prussia, for example, could have no idea of French losses at Homs or Russian losses at Van... Only the commanders on the ground can know (or estimate if they are forced to withdraw) details of particular actions. The players only hear reports from their dispatches and d’Hilliers or Andronikashvili do not report to the King of Prussia...


If anyone does NOT have 'details' please say.

[Franconicus]

Bulletin from the French War Ministry

The Ministry of War promulgates news regarding the war against the Ottoman Empire. After several provocations from the Sultan and the request for help from Austria France decided to declare war against the Ottoman Empire to punish the Ottoman haughtiness and to support the operations of the concert of Europe.

Without declaration of war Egypt gathered her forces at Alexandria and prepared the invasion of Greece. Her first target was the island of Cyprus, which was lost because the Greek troops were taken by surprise.
The Royal General Staff decided to react quick and strong to abandon the threat for the coalition. In a complex combined operation under the command of Admiral Bruat units of the Royal Navy and the Royal Army re-conquered Cyprus. An Egyptian/Ottoman armada was defeated and the French troops landed at the coasts of Levant. They quickly seized Beirut, Damascus and Jerusalem. Then our brave troops performed fast pushes to Syria and Egypt, where more than 300,000 Ottoman and Egyptian soldiers were killed. After these successful operations our troops retreated to secure the Levant. During the Egyptian campaign a huge amount of English weapons was seized.
All military goals were reached successfully and Egypt is no longer a threat for the coalition. France is especially proud to announce that Jerusalem is under her control. It will become a place where everybody can practice his religion. France also brought freedom and civilization to the Arabian countries and France will not end his efforts until every Arabian is freed.

The Ministry also announces that the Royal Navy successfully operated against slavery and piracy in the Indian Ocean.


Order to the French troops at the Levant and Egypt

The peoples we will be living alongside are Muslims; their first article of faith is "There is no other god but God, and Mahomet is his prophet". Do not contradict them; treat them as you treated the Jews, the Italians; respect their muftis and their imams, as you respected their rabbis and bishops. Have the same tolerance for the ceremonies prescribed by the Quran, for their mosques, as you had for the convents, for the synagogues, for the religion of Moses and that of Jesus Christ. The Roman legions used to protect all religions. You will here find different customs to those of Europe, you must get accustomed to them. The people among whom we are going treat women differently to us; but in every country whoever violates one is a monster. Pillaging only enriches a small number of men; it dishonors us, it destroys our resources; it makes enemies of the people who it is in our interest to have as our friends.

Message sent to the people of Egypt and Arabia:

For too long the beys who govern Egypt and Arabia have insulted the French nation and covered their traders in slanders. The hour of their punishment has come. For too long this horde of slaves, bought from Turkey and Albanian, have tyrannised the most beautiful part of the world; but God, on whom all depends, has ordained that their empire shall end. People of Egypt and Arabia, they have told you that we come to destroy your religion, but do not believe it; tell them in reply that we come to restore your rights, punish the usurpers and that we respect God, his prophet and the Quran more than the Ottomans or the Albanians. Tell them that all men are equal before God; wisdom, talents, virtues are the only things to make one man different from another. Is there a more beautiful land? It belongs to the Ottomans. If Egypt is their farm, then they should show the lease that God gave them for it... Cadis, cheiks, imans, tchorbadjis, we ask you to tell your people to stand up and shake off the yoke of the Ottomans. Join us to end this slavery and to become free people. Thrice happy are those who will be with us! They shall prosper in their fortune and in their rank. Happy are those who will be neutral! They will get to know us over time, and join their ranks with ours. But unhappy, thrice unhappy, are those who shall arm themselves to fight for the Turks and who shall fight against us! There shall be no hope for them, they shall perish.

Proclamation of Jerusalem:

From today every Egyptian and every Arab who lives in the freed part of the former Ottoman Empire shall be free. Every man will have the right to decide his own fate. Everybody shall be free to practice his own religion. Slavery shall be abandoned from now on.

[Franconicus]

Question to the other members of the Concert:

Dear colleagues, I am sorry to bother you, but there is a detail in the resolution against the Ottoman Empire that is not completely clear. In the document we see that the parts of the European mainland and of the coast of Asia Minor shall become Greek. Now we wonder what is the matter with the islands in between?

[Arjos]

It is an Austrian and Russian desire to see Krete, Kypros, Rhodos and the rest of the Aegean Islands, to be part of the Greek Kingdom of Basileus Othon.
Whether His Majesty, wishes to let other powers set bases to help the greek monarchy, it is His own decision as Basileus Othon is free to rule in His Kingdom.

State Chancellor,
Aleksandr Gorchakov

[Greyblades]

Agreed.

Robert Peel.
Prime Minister.

[Franconicus]

I understand! Thank you very much!

Regarding the current status of Cyprus: After French troops drove away the Egyptian invadors, the island is now given back to Greek. However, there is a treaty that the French have a base on the southern coast of Cyprus. This agreement is valid for 99 years.

What about the former English occupied islands in the Ionic Sea?

[Greyblades]

If Greece wishes to have them they may, in exchange for retaining one of the naval bases.

[Arjos]

What about the former English occupied islands in the Ionic Sea?

As a friendly and cooperative gesture, in St. Petersburg's opinion, they should be ceded to the Greek Kingdom.
Under whatever agreement the british and greek monarchies would reach.

[Franconicus]

Yes, if they were part of the desicion of the concert, then England has to give them to Greek, esp. as Greek and the other allies may use them as bases against the Ottoman Empire!

[Greyblades]

Yes, if they were part of the desicion of the concert, then England has to give them to Greek, esp. as Greek and the other allies may use them as bases against the Ottoman Empire!

There is no has. And we're still waiting on you to win your war.

[Franconicus]

The concert decided which areas shall belong to Greece. The decision is binding for all of us. Four of the five nations are fighting to execute the resolution, one is only acting for his own interests and for the interests of the Ottomans.
You agreed to the resolution and if the Ionic islands were part of the deal, they belong to Greece. Now you demand bases on the islands - after you have been supported the Ottomans all the time and done nothing for Greece. A very interesting argumentation.

I have a base on one of the Greek island, but I received it after I had liberated it and given to the King of Greek. I even conquered it a second time (= French victory over heathens with English weapons), not for myself, but for Greece.

[Greyblades]

I really dont care what you have to say, if it wasnt for me greece wouldnt have gotten anything, that should be enough for one base and if not the resolution will between Britain and Greece.

[Arjos]

if it wasnt for me greece wouldnt have gotten anything

What do they have, right now, from Britain and what weren't they getting?

[Greyblades]

What do they have, right now, from Britain and what weren't they getting?

Last I checked, the plan you were running before I objected was to split the ottoman lands in europe between austria and russia, nothing going to the greeks. Indeed, the proposal to give greece land was to appease me, without me you would have gone along as planned and taken the entire balkans.

[Arjos]

That was never proposed...
Since the very first russian proposition, Greece was going to take the land south of the Rhodopes.
The only changes were to the Straits and Anatolia...

[Greyblades]

That was never proposed...
Oh realy?

Sires,
there are two affairs threatening the peace of Europe - the Balkans and Schleswig-Holstein. We, the concert of five, should try to find a peaceful and lasting solution.

To the Balkans: It is obvious, that the Turk will not be able to control the Balkans any longer. New nationalistic states are evil, so I do see only one solution. I suggest that Austria and Russia get the mandate to share the control over the Balkans for five years. Russia should get all Slavic and Orthodox provinces. Austria should take the rest. Both have to guarantee order in their districts.
Asia Minor is another source of instability. We think that We have to stop the fighting there. The Turkish control has to be reinstalled with the support of the concert. Any egoistic ambitions have to be rejected. The straits have to remain under the control of the Turks, but free for all.

Regarding S-H, all hostilities have to be avoided.

Good luck
Chateaubriand

While His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai, agrees to the partition of the Balkans, he disagrees regarding further turkish presence in Europe.
The Czar wishes to establish a network of christian Free Cities at the straits, under the protection of the Concert, allowing free passage to and from the Black Sea, for all christian nations.

We cannot allow the Turks any foothold, as long as they don't recognize the authority of this Concert in european affairs.

Czar NikolaiThese PM's were sent to me, you, ichigo and sofarsogood, this isnt a mafia game so I could screen cap it if you wish, and seeing as the host recieved it as well I think he would be pleased to provide a copy to the players replacing those no longer playing.

[Arjos]

The Balkans are the mountanious region between the Adriatic and the Black Sea.
The peninsula is that of Haemus.

We do not know the meaning of 21st century geography...

[Greyblades]

Oh? So you were going to leave the greek lands in the ottomans hands? I'm sure king Othan would be delighted to know that.

[Arjos]

No, since the declaration of War, Othon had been informed, that once the Balkans were secured the Czar would help in the liberation of the Greeks...


His Imperial Majesty, Czar Nikolai, wishes to inform Basileus Othon, that He holds at heart a free greek nation. So Russia looks forward any future co-operation to fight the Turks and unite the Greeks!

Czar Nikolai

OoC: that was my very next post from the declaration XD

[Greyblades]

Of corse he was. I think I'm done here, the decision is between Britain and king Othon. Baiting a bear can only amuse so long.

[SwordsMaster]

Oh, but it can be amusing to make a bear dance.

[SoFarSoGood]

Good to see 'allies' arguing.


The peoples we will be living alongside are Muslims; their first article of faith is "There is no other god but God, and Mahomet is his prophet". Do not contradict them; treat them as you treated the Jews, the Italians; respect their muftis and their imams, as you respected their rabbis and bishops. Have the same tolerance for the ceremonies prescribed by the Quran, for their mosques, as you had for the convents, for the synagogues, for the religion of Moses and that of Jesus Christ. The Roman legions used to protect all religions. You will here find different customs to those of Europe, you must get accustomed to them. The people among whom we are going treat women differently to us; but in every country whoever violates one is a monster. Pillaging only enriches a small number of men; it dishonors us, it destroys our resources; it makes enemies of the people who it is in our interest to have as our friends.

Heard that before... where was it? Ahh yes! Bonaparte :blank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_campaign_in_Egypt_and_Syria

Anyway should have Part 2 'Public' and 'Private' up by tomorrow sometime.

[Greyblades]

Good to see 'allies' arguing.

We're allies?

[Franconicus]

He is not talking about you! :rolleyes:

[Greyblades]

He is not talking about you! :rolleyes:

Oh good, panic over. For a second I thought we had some sort of alliance left over from the napoleonic wars still in effect. At least thats one thing I havent had blow up in my face.

[SoFarSoGood]

Ok sorry I am a bit late (minor domestic panic) but here goes:


Chapter 3 Part 2: Main Social and Economic Events (Jan 1st 1844 to Jan 1st 1845)

If you're wondering why the 'public' parts both start with Russia then France etc... it's nothing sinister; I just got Russian orders first, French sencond etc so they are the top of my 'notes' page.

Background of Social and Economic Events

Europe, Russia in particular, is seeing the first outbreaks of the third cholera pademic (third pandemic erupted in 1839, persisted until 1856). It is not yet severe in Europe but is endemic in the some regions of India. Over the course of the century "an estimated tens of millions of people" will die from pandemics. Like the 'Black Death' pandemic (peaking between 1348-50) those who survive are able to demand higher wages and better conditions. Although the social effects are not immeadiately seen with the lower classes more empowered 'movements' start if their demands are not adequately dealt with in time (the Peasent's Revolt in England occured in 1381). Of course with higher wages having to be paid to the survivors there is a general inflation and this is reflected in a gradual rise in the cost of 'great projects', whether they be railways or research. This is some idea of the 'general background' I have based your orders on.

Specific Influencing Circumstances

The Papal announcement in 1843 had a general calming effect on the revolts and the French 'right to strike' and Austrian 'parliament' announcements were sufficient to calm the more moderate voices of discontent and the hardliners have retreated to 'secret societies' where factions squabble. Peace reigns...for now. The news of the victories in the Balkans, Levant and Sind also serve to cause a rise in national pride and those demanding more pay etc are rebuked for causing discontent when 'sons and fathers are fighting for the country'. Of course war also serves as an economic stimulus and this together with large investment programmes in most countries create a general European economic 'boom' with growth rates in some countries in double figures.


Russia


Legal Reforms

At the request of the Czar Russian lawyers come together and start a Grand Composium to try to simplify the court system. The aim is to "Set down an impartial rule by law code".

Religious Hospitals

After the Czar called for the clergy to help the injured in the ongoing war a group of dedicated Nuns calling themselves "The Sisters of St.John" have decided to create a national network of hospitals to train their novices. The first Hospital was started in Iasi but by the end of the year more are springing up.

Jomini's Report

After two years inspecting every part of the Russian military Jomini submits his confidential report the Czar.

Economics

While it is upto the Czar if he wishes to release details of income etc the general cost of Russian borrowing is falling due to the speedy clearing up of the Polish revolt and the victories in the Balkans and Eastern Anatolia. A second Russian railway has started construction to run Moscow - Smolensk. In general Russia is seen as a 'clever' investment.


France


Modernisation of Paris

The French Govenment has embarked on a revolutionary new scheme to manage 'waste water' in Paris. This has incovenienced some Parisiennes and stage 1 of this project is expected is finished.

French Railways

Thanks to Government funding the first French railway is fully open by November 1844 and runs from Paris to Toulon. With this funding the Paris - Lille and Paris - Tours lines are expected to be open by 1848 and extensions are planned.

French Strike

While the French workers in the south are no longer 'revolutionary' as such their ports have been closed and shipping taken and a large part of the south has declared itself 'on strike'. Some civil disturbances have been reported and when the Foreign Legion has attempted to restore order barricades have been built. The leaders of the strike demand land redistribution, a Parliament and compensation for the losses of trade due to closed ports and some 'impressed' shipping. They are not anti King but anti his advisers who they think are making money at their expense.

Economics

It has been an unstable year for France in general. New taxes have decreased French exports (as they are now more expensive) and taxes on trade from non French colonies have cut imports (as they are now also more expensive). France is relying on it's domestic market to take up the slack but with shipping nearly extinct in the French Mediterranean and ports closed and the strike it has been unable to do so. The interest on debts has risen sharply since the news of the retreat from Homs was heard. In general France is regarded as a 'risky' investment.



Austria (hoping KM will return - 60% of the below I have taken from his plans)


Railways

The Vienna - Budapest line is expected to open in February 1845. The Vienna - Prague and Vienna - Venice line are still under construction and extensions are planned on all lines. A new Vienna - Munich line has started construction.


Elections and Royal Tour

The Kaiser has announced the first Imperial Parliament is summoned to meet and advise his Majesty in July 1845 and elections have been held in October (after the subdual of the Hungarian revolt which occured in September 1844). The Kaiser has visited Budapest himself and prayed at the grave of the 'Noble and Most Christian' General Field Marshall (posthumious) Benedek. The Kaiser also visited Belgrade and Sarajevo.

Increased Industry

Large new factories are appearing around Prague and Vienna and the general 'rumour' is that the Empire has secured lucrative contracts to supply armaments abroad.


Economics

In general nowhere has seen more benefit from the 'boom' in economic activity than Austria and Bavaria with growth at an estimated 12%, where an 'Imperial Free Trade Area' has been created. Apllications to join this area are being discussed. The first taxes have also come in from the Balkans and confidence is high. Some debt has been payed off which has increased investor confidence and the peaceful resolution of the Hungarian revolt have added to this. The return of order to Budapest has also eased supply problems. The Empire is considered a 'safe/excellent' investment.



Prussia


Industrial Development

The previous investment programme of 50,000 per year for 5 years (Chapter 1 I think) is ended and instead a 10% reduction in tax for those companies that took up the origional replaces it. This is regarded as an improvement on the previous system.


Immigration Policy Announced

All foreign nationals can be Prussian IF they learn German! A committee has set out qualification rules that limit the universal acceptance of all... criminals etc are not welcome nor bankrupts. German language schools are doing well catering for migrant workers.


Railways

Berlin - Danzig - Konigsburg railway is speeding ahead of schedule and expected complete early 1846. Other railways are also planned and surveyed for Berlin - Warsawa and Berlin - Hamburg - Kiel - Paris. These lines need investment as they go but are expected to start next year.


Economics

Prussia has 'simplified' it's tax system and introduced a 'revolutionary' new two tiered tax system. They have also introduced 'efficiency savings' in administration, made easier by the new rax system. As a result investment is booming and all new immigrants quickly find work; there is a sign on Prussia saying "workers wanted". While the new tax system is understood to be 'experimental' Prussia is regarded as an 'exciting investment potential'.



England


British Gentlemens Clubs

This year saw some British 'Gentlemen' rediscover their interest in the Continent. The first Club to be founded was the British Alpine Climbing Club and this is followed by the Anglo Hellenic Society, the British Renaissance Club who are Romanophiles and the Mediterranean Archieology Society. The 'Grand Tour' is not yet normal for upper class English Gentlemen but the first explorers are setting off.


New British Colonists

In Sind the British obviously move in but the start of a new colony is observed on the west coast of Africa, north of Cape Colony and south of the Congo River.


Railways

Calcutta to Bombay railway starts this year and first parts of the Scottish and Welsh lines are finished.


Economics

Investment continues boom in England, a growing smuggling trade across the Channel/La Manche is one problem but not threatening. England is regarded a 'safe as houses' investment.



Piedmont Sardinia


Influx of Refugees

The remaining rebels in the North of Italy, having been defeated by the Austrian General Radetzky in a skirish outside Milan (Part 1) flee to Piedmont where they are made welcome.


Railways

Turin to Genoa finished.


Social

Alot of Italians are also heading to Piedmont Sardinia to volunteer for service in the Levant campaign with Prince Ferdinand. Most of these are wealthy individuals so the economy receives a small boost from this and the Genoese boat yards are busy making new ships.

Economics

Trade with Austria is up and Piedmont Sardinia is benefiting from the Central European 'boom'. The wealthy volunteers and new railroad have helped this. Piedmont Sardinia is seen as 'safe' investment.

[SoFarSoGood]

If you don't have 'details' please say! Just the 5pms...

[Arjos]

To the citizens of the Free, Independent, and Strictly Neutral City of Kraków,

As your name and status clearly state, desist from harbouring and supporting any revolting movement.
Otherwise the Rossiyskaya Imperiya will consider this a clear violation of the Congress of Vienna and dispatch forces to annex the city, to the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, under Imperial Austrian Law.

Czar Nikolai Pavlovich Romanov

[SoFarSoGood]

So London Conference I believe?

King Christian VIII of Denmark rises:

"Gentlemen I thank you for allowing me to address this most August and Learned Audience. Let me start by stressing that I myself have absolutely no claim on Schleswig... neither does my son Frederick. While Karl, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg is indeed a distant relative of our family his lands are not a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. I have not and do not claim his titles. We are forced therefore to consider these 'disturbances' as either the work of revolutionaries or more sinister designs on behalf some power who may wish ill to our Kingdom. Revolution we shall not allow but should this be an attempt to provoke war with Denmark let me warn you clearly: Denmark is not Schleswig, nor is Schleswig or Denmark Prussia. I have here (and he does) a signed agreement between ourselves and Sweden saying clearly that any attack on Denmark will constitute an act of war against both Denmark and Sweden. We hope the powers will realise OUR innocence in this affair."

He sits and glowers at the Prussian representative.

[SwordsMaster]

OOC: Prussia never showed at this conference - it was not in my orders that anyone would be attending... Partially because I didn't realise it was happening this turn.

[Greyblades]

"IF the honorable gentlemen would wait for one second..."
*The british representative leaves the conference for 20 minutes and returns with the prussian ambassador dragged kicking and screaming from the prussian embassy in london.*
"If you would be so kind as to repeat your speech to the new prussian representative."

[SoFarSoGood]

Repeated... with thanks to Her Majesties representative.

[SwordsMaster]

I apologise to your honours, but I have received no instruction from His Majesty on how to proceed on the issue. With great regret, I must write to the King and clarify our government's stance on the issue. There has been no acknowledgement of this conference by my government, and until there is, regretfully, Prussia will not consider its decision binding, as it has been *invited* unprepared.

[Greyblades]

Well thats a million down the drain...

[Franconicus]

The French representative immediately leaves the conference to send reports to his Majesty, the King of the Fench.

[Greyblades]

OOC: cant we just pretend that a week passes or something and prussia sends enough info to the prussian ambassador to continue? Because this is getting silly.

Also, King of the Fench?

[Franconicus]

The King of the French is again overwhelmed by the finesse of English diplomacy. :no:

[Greyblades]

What the heck am I supposed to do? One of the attendees didnt even show up and now that I persuaded the closest representative to turn up (that dragged kicking and screaming thing wasnt literal) he's citing roleplaying reasons not to negociate.

[SwordsMaster]

OOC: cant we just pretend that a week passes or something and prussia sends enough info to the prussian ambassador to continue? Because this is getting silly.

Also, King of the Fench?

Unfortunately, the King and his Court are busy surveying the railroad construction in the provinces, and so it took 2 months for the message to be received. Just as unfortunately, the sloop carrying his majesty's answer was delayed in the Oresund due to the unwillingness of the captain to pay the Sound tax as if he was a simple merchant. More time was wasted. By the time he reached the North Sea, a storm forced him to seek refuge in Norway for necessary repairs, and, it seems, His Majesty's answer was lost in the confusion. No doubt the captain will be severely punished. However, it is June now, your excellencies, and I have just dispatched a new request. Hopefully the summer is a safer season for navigating, and administrative unpleasantries can be avoided.

It is unfortunate that this is delaying a resolution, but His Majesty encouraged me to give the widest press coverage to the event to ensure it does not slip his mind (which I have done, writing in the main papers of Germany, S-H, Austria, France and the UK, including the veiled threats of Denmark, and the high handedness of the british representative). His Majesty assured me also he would personally visit S-H to assess the situation. He should be there around this time - June is the best time to travel in Germany.

[Greyblades]

I paid one million Talers over making sure that this conference went well and the Kaiser doesnt even show up! What am I supposed to do with 25 dancing bears now!

[SwordsMaster]

His Majesty is averse to travelling by sea, I'm afraid. Please bear this in mind, if his presence is required on future conferences then locations should be selected which would allow for overland transportation.

[Greyblades]

Then maybe he sent his chancellor or an ambassador specially versed on what to say or something? We cant just let this fall apart so easily.

[SwordsMaster]

Ah, if I must be so obvious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster

[Greyblades]

Ah.
OOC: To save face: I say you could have just said you wished for more time for deliberation.

[SwordsMaster]

OOC: That wouldn't serve my purpose ;)

[Greyblades]

I swear, it's like hearding cats.

[SwordsMaster]

OOC: Who said diplomacy was anything else? In the words of soon to be Chancellor Bismark: Anyone who respects the law an likes sausage is because he doesn't know how either is made.

[SoFarSoGood]

His Majesty assured me also he would personally visit S-H to assess the situation. He should be there around this time - June is the best time to travel in Germany.

King Christian VIII of Denmark:

"Is Schleswig Prussia that the King of Prussia presumes to 'visit' the area that he refuses to discuss in Conference as if it were his personal garden? Does he propose to 'visit' Denmark in the same manner without invitation or asking for our permission? Is there any part of Europe that can be free of such 'visits' or is not his garden? It is alleged that Denmark has threatened Prussia... This is by no means the case. We have said we shall respond if attacked and I have no doubt that any country or Empire may say the same. Should France be attacked the King would have a duty to defend his people but is this a threat to Denmark, Prussia or anyone else? Clearly not unless one is considering attacking France in the first place. Gentlemen Schleswig is a part of the German Confederation. While there both Danish and German speaking people inhabit the region there are French speaking people in the British Empire. Does this give Britain a claim on France? We do not claim Schleswig anymore than Britain claims France. The prevarications of the King of Prussia, so eager to visit places that he refuses to discuss, bodes ill for the Peace of Europe. In anticipation of his 'visit' to Denmark I must leave for home."

[SwordsMaster]

Headlines in the german, french, english papers next day: 'King Christian of Denmark abandons London Conference: Rumour and innuendo triumph over issues.'

The Prussian ambassador addresses those remaining:

Gentlemen, you saw how selfishly HM King Christian has left to tend to his own little projects. Can we honestly say it isn't he who opposes a peaceful solution? Making a show of travelling to a conference for diplomats, loudly speaking - as if Cicero himself stood behind him - words full of self importance and provocation, as can be expected of whom has made himself the most exalted figure in the room, instead of resolving issues between equals which is the sole intention of King Wilhelm, and then rushing home with the first excuse!

I can assure you, gentlemen that nothing could be further than war with Denmark in the mind of my Sovereign. If it comes to violence in the area, and King Christian has made abundantly clear he has been making preparations for it, it will not be Prussia firing the first shots.

It is my opinion that a friendly visit by a monarch would be an honour to those receiving it. Would not the King of France welcome such a visit? Would not the Tsar of Russia? Personal inadequacies need not be masqueraded in public as nationalistic fervour, nor insecurities as firmness. King Christian, and the Dukes of Shleswig and of Holstein are both welcome to visit Prussia at any time. His Majesty King Friederich Wilhelm would welcome them to his table. He can afford to set it properly for more than himself.

[SwordsMaster]

OOC: By the way, what be the deadline for actions?

[Franconicus]

Statement of the French diplomat:

We want to make clear that the we will be pelased if the Prussian monarch visits us atany time he wants to. Further more we want to make clear that we do not have any claims against England regarding areas with French speaking subjects.

OOC: Need some time for diplomacy. Still trying to understand the last chapter in detail!

[SoFarSoGood]

The Danish Ambassador speaks;

"Those who are invited to the house of another we call 'guests'. Those who invite themselves to the house of another we refer to differently."

OOC: The Schleswig-Holstein Problem is essentialy a constitutional nightmare... Lord Palmerstone apparently said "Only three people...have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business—the Prince Consort, who is dead—a German professor, who has gone mad—and I, who have forgotten all about it." It's like Crusader Kings ll gone mad with issues of Salic law (female inheritance) and all sorts thrown in. I do NOT claim to be fourth person to ever understand it but here is my best take:

King Christian VIII of Denmark is of the older branch of the Oldenburg family while Karl, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein & etc is a cousin; like in CK 2 you might give some land to you nephew at some point in the past who becomes a vassal of yours. Schleswig-Holstein is not currently legaly part of the Kingdom of Denmark but the Duke (Karl) IS a vassal of Christian VIII of Denmark. Part of Schleswig (northern Schleswig) IS legaly Danish while Sothern Schleswig is not (see map here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jutland_Peninsula_map.PNG) and by some Treaty of 1460 (Treaty of Ribe) Schleswig-Holstein is indivisible... Ok this is where we are now. It is not legaly Danish but effectively is Danish run.

In 1848 Frederick VII (Christian VIII's son) caused the First War when he effectively legaly made Holstein and Southern Schleswig part of Denmark. They wished to remain part of the German Confederation and Prussia supported them. This effectively ended in a draw and enforced the integrity of Denmark.

The real problem didn't arise until Frederick VII got a bit older. For some unexplained reason he was incapable of having children. Because of the Salic law issues this meant that a future Queen of Denmark would not inherit Schleswig-Holstein and of course with no Northern Schleswig inherited Denmark would effectively lose territory. So a deal was done whereby Christian IX (of the younger Oldenburg house that actualy owned the non Danish regions) would succeed Frederick VII as King of Denmark. Thus in theory, had it not been for Frederick VII's 1848 legal dabbling Christian IX would have ruled Denmark as King and been Duke of Schleswig-Holstein in is own right (making him a vassal of himself). Legaly he'd have been a Duke in the German Confederation (of the non Danish regions) and King of Denmark in the Danish regions.

Well that's my best summary of the legal situation...

Austria and KageMusha: We need someone to play Austria and as KM is now gone 2 weeks I think we can fairly open it for a new (or old) player... Please ask people you think might be interested. I have pmed Csargo myself.

[SoFarSoGood]

OOC: By the way, what be the deadline for actions?

IF we can find someone to play Austria I'd rather 'get them upto speed' first but lets say provisionaly a week today; Friday 12th October.

Update... Csargo will return as Austria! :yes:

[Greyblades]

I dont suppose we can repeal the treaty of ribe and split the land between both parties.

[Arjos]

Admiral Yevfimy Putyatin, briefly calling for attention, repeated his words from the Conference of Frankfurt:


Holstein was recognized as a part of the German Confederation and so it shall remain. ... Since Schleswig was never part of such confederation, but under older treaties (Ribe), the two regions decided to never be divided. Russia feels that splitting Schleswig, technically remaining true to all these treaties, will be the best solution to preserve peace.

Dear representatives, Russia is still of its previous view. I'd also like to point out, how only the norther part of Schleswig is considered under the danish crown.
Unfortunately with His Majesty, Christian VIII, gone, I'm afraid yet again, these talks will prove uneventful.

OoC: good to have Csargo back ^^
But really, where is Kage? XD

[Franconicus]

For the safety of the trade in the Eastern Mediterranean and after negotiations with the command of the English Royal Navy, the French war minisrty announces:

The coasts of Crete, Egypt and Syria are declared as combat zones. All neutral state ships have to leave these zones until January 15th. Ships of the English navy will accompany all ships that want to leave the danger zone at Egypt. Outside of the danger zones, ships from all neutral state will be guided and protected by the French and the English navy.

All ships which stay inside the danger zones after January 15th are doing this at their own risk.

[SoFarSoGood]

Some announcements...:

From The Holy See the Holy Father Pope Gregory XVI declares:

"What has been reported to us in whispers we now have confirmation of; that Holy City has been returned to Christian hands. We declare that all the bells shall ring for this miracle made all the more dear to the Lord in that no lives were lost in the regaining of the Holy Places of the Sacred City. We appoint the General who so accomplished this great deed without loss of life either Christian or Mohammedan, General Bugeaud, Knight Commander of the The Military Order of St John and charge him specificaly to allow freedom of worship and keep the peace within the Holy City. His Royal Highness Louis Philippe, King of the French we appoint Custodian of the Holy Places until a representative of the Church arrives.

As for this Custodian of the Church it has been suggested that I am too old (he is 80) to administer such a task but this miraculous event has renewed my faith and faith is strength. I shall myself embark as a Pilgrim and take this burden on myself. The Archbishop of Perugia will remain in Rome in my place. Let us make Jerusalem a City of God for one and all!"


The Spanish Court wishes to announce the betrothal of Queen Isabella ll to Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.

[SoFarSoGood]

Chapter 4 Orders and mid turn decisions

Orders and Distance

Your orders are sent out by your Government. The Government is assumed to be in the Capital with the Monarch except where the Monarch has moved (the Czar and the King of the Greeks are in Edirne/Adrianople so orders are sent from there). Orders cannot be automaticaly transmitted from London to Alexandria, Paris to the Indian Ocean, Vienna to Sofia etc etc...

Mid Turn Decisions

In Chapter 4 I propose to give 2 types of mid turn decisions; both either/or, yes/no. For those of you 'on campaign' the first decision will be as Chapter 3 - a strategic decision concerning the campaign. The second will be a mid battle decision and will be open not only to players directly fighting the battles but also to players who near any battle. For example during a hypothetical repeat of the Battle of Alexandria (December 6th 1844) France may have wished to press on but also the British Naval Squadron offshore may have wished to take part. So the first decision will be 'strategic' as in Chapter 3 and the second 'tactical' or 'battle decision'.

I hope this will give more players access to 'mid turn decisions' of one or both types.

[Arjos]

OoC: SoFar, you are really good at this! :2thumbsup:

[Franconicus]

Newspapers report that our King welcomed the Carlos de Borbón, Conde de Montemolín, today at an audience at Versaille.

[SoFarSoGood]

Gaceta de Madrid

"Why is the Pretender in Versailles?

No doubt many loyal Spaniards will today be angry that the pretender to the Spanish throne is welcomed by the King of the French at Versailles. We understand that this a vieled French threat due to their opposition to the marriage of the Queen to Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Sources close to the Court report that France has 'vetoed' the marriage. How can the King of the French veto the marriage of the Spanish Queen? It is understood that the Spanish Court informed France of the proposed marriage and that French candidate was considered. Because the French candidate was overlooked the King of the French claims the right of veto. Does Spain have a right to veto French Royal marriages?

The unwise reception of the Conde de Montemolín is at most 'sour grapes'; the French Court was asked to put forward a candidate for the Queens hand but when a different choice was made they sport a pretender at Versailles. This is both unstateman like and unhelpfull in fostering closer ties between two neighbouring countries. We hope the King of the French, involved in such glorious but dangerous wars abroad, will think again before making such veiled threats to his allies in future."

[Franconicus]

I may not make it until Friday. To much to do and still waiting for answers from my allies.
Is Piemont still playing?

[SoFarSoGood]

Think so.

[Kival]

Sorry for not answering. This week was a bad one for me. I'd still be in though, but time is a problem this week (ill + renovating + getting courses for first university week....)

[SoFarSoGood]

So I am thinking that some will not have their orders by today. But weekend soon! Can we say Monday?

[Franconicus]

I will! Hopefully I got answers till then!

Thanks!

[Prince Cobra]

In case there is nobody to command Austria, I can temporarily take over until Kage or another player (re-)appear.

P.S. Unfortunately, I don't think I will manage to run a full-time faction but I can try as a substitute. ~;)

[Franconicus]

You are more than welcome, Prince! However, Csargo is playing as Austria now. Maybe you can share the job with him!

[Arjos]

The austrian player dilemma lol

On other news, we now have a paintable world map ^^
Already edited post Sindo-British war...

https://imageshack.us/a/img18/9581/coeworld.png

[partofla]

Hi, I'm new and I'm looking to see if I can contact Kage. Is he on often anymore?

[SoFarSoGood]

@ partofla Kages profile says he was on yesterday; try pming him.

@ Prince Cobra; ask Csargo... I think he'd welcome some help.

Just to clarify the map... As of 31st December 1844:
Sind is indeed British. They have also landed in modern day Angola.
Albania, Serbia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Montenegro and Sofia (to use todays terms) are currently Austrian.
Iasi, Ploiesti, Vidin, Craiova, Plovdiv, Burgas and Varna are Russian although there are 'partisans' between the garrisons.
Bucharest is 'independant'.
Thessaloniki and modern day FYOM (Skopje) are Greek.
Edirne/Adrianople is occupied by Russia and Greece/Bavaria (the King of Greece being Bavarian).
Kesan (aprox 50 miles south of Adrianople) is occupied by Austria/Prussia.

Jaffa, Jerusalem, Beirut and Tartus are occupied by France.

Further east Kars, Artvin and Agri (modern day Karakose) are occupied by Russia.

A French expedition passed into the Indian Ocean but not all know where it was headed.

[SoFarSoGood]

Chapter 4 Preview!

As there are events that will occur before your orders can influence events 'in theatre' I have started writing Chapter 4 already. Names and places are omitted from this preview:

"By evening reports are coming in of contact with enemy forces in the north of the town. Barricades are manned. He can still hear fighting in the harbour and another 500 volunteers are sent to the harbour. By 10pm the harbour fighting has ended and 3 men return get back to report that the SOL and habour are lost..."

"...but what they see is some 50,000 Ottomans. They are immeadiately under cannon fire: "But those behind cried, "Forward!" And those before cried, "Back!"" to quote the Lays of Ancient Rome. A disaster ensues..."

"The SOL opens up in reply but a deperate fight ensues at the docks. The remaining cavalry and their horses are loaded on the first boat and before the second transport can get into the harbour an Ottoman assault is launched. Hand to hand and swordplay ensues"

A gentle hint to please send orders.

[Franconicus]

Please not that Cyprus is Greek now and you may paint Levant and Zanzibar Franch now!

[Arjos]

I'll wait the end of wars to edit territorial changes, but I'm going to adjust for colonizations :)

[Arjos]

They have also landed in modern day Angola.

So what happened to the Portuguese? :O

Argh, sorry for double, messed up with editing XD

[Greyblades]

It means the coast between south africa and portugese angola has been claimed.

[Arjos]

Cheers, edited with a first landing base and will expand it with the next chapter :)

Edit: added the Natalia Republic ^^

[Kival]

Sorry guys, still ill and before thursday I won't be able to do anything. I can completly understand when you just want to go on but I can't atm.

[SoFarSoGood]

Get well soon.

[Franconicus]

Sorry guys, still ill and before thursday I won't be able to do anything. I can completly understand when you just want to go on but I can't atm.

My sympathy. I will send the royal physician to look for you. In the meantime I will reign your realm as your substitute (just kidding!)

[SoFarSoGood]

Any chance of orders from Austria, Prussia and England anytime soon?

[Franconicus]

:whip::no:

[SwordsMaster]

Tomorrow morning! Orders are on my work machine... I know, I know.

[Greyblades]

Orders sent.

[SwordsMaster]

Orders sent

[Csargo]

Prince Cobra can take over Austria if he wants. I'm also sorry that I haven't sent orders yet.

[Franconicus]

Just my thoughts:

I think we need a permanent solution with Austria.

Csargo/ Prince Cobra as a team would be great, as both do not seem to have a lot of time. Maybe one can do the planning of the campaign against Otto and one can do diplomacy, socials things tec.

Any of both as single player would be great too, they are experienced and excellent players. If they do not have enough time - well it would not work. We would need a replacement.

If one of them just has little time and small presence, I think they could do either Ottoman or Egypt. I guess both countries are doing little diplomacy and most of the work would be just warfare.

What do you think?

[SoFarSoGood]

I agree that solution must be found for Austria... any ideas?

[SwordsMaster]

I don't think sharing a country is a good idea - hard to track down who does what, etc. I think Csargo/PC should evaluate their time availability and let us know if they can commit sustainably. Otherwise I would suggest they either pick something smaller - less time consuming, and we should find another player for Austria.

If they could at least let us know when they do have time: something along the lines of 'I have 3 hours on mondays and wednesdays.' Then we will know when and how to expect answers and send requests.

[Arjos]

I have no problem with a shared Austria, nor with a single player as the Kaiser, as long as there's someone playing it lol

[Greyblades]

I agree with argos.