Clan Leadership

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hey All,



I need advice. Is having 3 People Co-Lead a 30 Member Clan, my clan, BHC, a good idea? First it was me, then now my 2 members ( 1 been in for almost 3 years, joined on RTW, but 1 only been in for almost only 2 months). Is it a good idea to have more then 1 person lead a clan? I think my co-leaders are conpriacing aganist me.... :sweatdrop:

[pevergreen]

Always IMO, have one person with the highest power. http://www.freewebs.com/blackgryphons/roster.htm for example. You have people "leading" but always one with the highest power.

[Kekvit Irae]

A triumvirate for such a small clan is never really a wise idea. Maybe electing a vice-captain under you to help with matters when you aren't present, but your clan isn't big enough to warrant three people with equal power.

[Craterus]

I'd be inclined to say no. That's a bad idea.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hey All,



I need advice. Is having 3 People Co-Lead a 30 Member Clan, my clan, BHC, a good idea? First it was me, then now my 2 members ( 1 been in for almost 3 years, joined on RTW, but 1 only been in for almost only 2 months). Is it a good idea to have more then 1 person lead a clan? I think my co-leaders are conpriacing aganist me.... :sweatdrop:

It's been my experience in dealing with internet groups that one person should be the acknowledged leader, and power sharing leads to troubles.

If there's any physical hardware, domain registrations, or forum backups, etc., that same person in charge should have physical control over those as well.

Again, that's from what I've seen.

CR

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I'm Meeting with them on Tuesday on MSN before we go on COD4 (I am sole leader of BHC on TW, no problem here, just on COD4, where I am worry of) and I tell them then, I like to be sole leader (I should be, I made this clan on TW in June 2004).


But how should I present this to them? What postions should I let them hold?

[Craterus]

Give them positions that sound official and important but don't give them any power whatsoever. That's the way to do it.

[Viking]

Ideally, I guess there's only one leader at top. However, there should be someone who you could trust enough to be assistant leaders; one leader and no one else with real powers sounds like a bad idea. Powers as in them being able to add, and perhaps kick, members to/from the clan. If there are no one in the clan one can trust enough to assign to such positions of power, it's far from a well functioning clan.

[TevashSzat]

Yea, make sure there is one leader like everyone said before.

That way, if there is an argument and a schism occurs, the clan wouldn't fall apart as easily.

In my guild wars guild, one officer and the guild master had an argument irl (they were college buddies) and out of spite, the officer kicked everyone lower than him out of the guild and it just basically collapsed afterwards since most people immedietely got into other guilds they had friends in....we were pretty good too, top 200 ranked

[Crandaeolon]

One person at the top with some assistant leaders (officers) works well in casual clans with varying amounts of member activity, but total democracy can also function if the clan is cohesive and competitive.

By this I mean really cohesive - as in, same nationality and some ties in real life. The all-Finn Guild Wars guild (around top 20 for about two years) I was in had a policy of shared leadership and it worked quite well, with responsibilities and assets (like vent servers, wiki, prize conversion to money, contact persons etc.) delegated to members with the time, inclination and ability to take care of these duties. Daily dialogue over an irc channel or vent made it all work.


That way, if there is an argument and a schism occurs, the clan wouldn't fall apart as easily.

Arguments happen in competitive environments all the time, it's just a matter of identifying and dealing with the problems. Sounds like the officer in your example was clearly ill fit to be in a competitive guild, and the guild in general was not solid enough to survive any reformation.

[Decker]

Just hire some thugs to go beat them up in real life... should work... works for Diablo anyways :2thumbsup:



But in all seriousness, what the others said is what you should do... if you've been around as long or longer, you are inclined to the top position, the others under you... especially the new guy...

[Togakure]

The point about maintaining control of physical assets--the website and forum, information resources etc.--is particularly good advice. If these can be compromised then control is compromised. I've only given control over these to members that I trusted completely.

As a leader you will encourage loyalty and commitment by sharing responsibilities and associated prestige. My preferred method has been to acknowledge others who have demonstrated trustworthiness, solid values, and loyalty over time by sharing responsibilities like moderating, recruiting and training, documenting, and tactical leadership in game--and even administrating as an ultimate perk. As mentioned, the last should be reserved for those you trust completely, else you could end up with destroyed assets if a power contest turns into a war.

Many so-called leaders view others as "tools," to be used to accomplish their objectives. For a group to truly excel beyond the vision and capability of that leader, others need to be free to consider, decide and act for the benefit of the organization. Generally speaking, an executive's primary roles are 1) to be a model leader, and 2) to identify potential co-leaders possessing the right capabilities and values, and provide clearly defined domains for them in which to operate. Then they need to let go, maintaining override authority but only using it when absolutely necessary. In such cases it is very important that the domain leader understands why an executive override was needed. Ideally the domain leader is convinced privately and makes the public decision/announcement so perceived authority isn't compromised.

There is always risk (incorrectly assessing/choosing leaders), but as they say, "no guts, no glory." An organization ruled by a tyrant cannot aspire to the heights possible for a group of synergized leaders.

[LittleGrizzly]

Something to consider of your assistant/co leader(s) do they share the same views as you ? for example they may want more or less recruitment than you do... a higher or lower skill levelas basic to join the clan...

you want someone with relatviely similar views and a loyalty to the clan (shown by years of loyalty 2 months is not long enough to earn that kind of trust...)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

My Friend been in the clan going on 3 years now (retructed him on RTW, now we do TW and COD4/5). We have similar views.



I propose the consuil idea, but he wants to be the leader and stick me and the 3rd co-leader in consuil also. He more active then I am, due to my wrists, but I got more time then him in clan (I been in going on 5 years) and I made the clan.


Advice?

[Kekvit Irae]

At this point, your clan is officially dead. either declare a coup or start a new clan from the more loyal members.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I shall do that. BHC had 2 civil Wars, I guess a 3rd one is coming.....

[Viking]

My Friend been in the clan going on 3 years now (retructed him on RTW, now we do TW and COD4/5). We have similar views.



I propose the consuil idea, but he wants to be the leader and stick me and the 3rd co-leader in consuil also. He more active then I am, due to my wrists, but I got more time then him in clan (I been in going on 5 years) and I made the clan.


Advice?


Gah! You cannot resign from your leader position only because someone else wants it. A clan leader needs to show authority and should display great self confidence; i.e. he always know what to do. Resigning simply because someone suggested it is the ultimate sign of weakness. Btw, is he an assh. or a cold blooded fellow to demand the position that outright? ~D

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

:sweatdrop::sweatdrop:Cold Blooded he is. Me Scared now

[Kekvit Irae]

You could always appoint me as the clan "political officer", and allow me to "boot" members and officers as needed.
:whip:

"From this arises the question whether it is better to be loved rather than feared, or feared rather than loved. It might perhaps be answered that we should wish to be both: but since love and fear can hardly exist together, if we must choose between them, it is far safer to be feared than loved."
-Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince

[Decker]

:sweatdrop::sweatdrop:Cold Blooded he is. Me Scared now

Just tell him that it's not his right to tell you what to do. Tell him that it's YOUR clan and your business. Not his. If he doesn't agree... boot him out and his followers should clear out in no time :2thumbsup: If not... hire Kekvit Irae :medievalcheers:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

yea it might work
but only if we are a corporation and everyone was contributing equally to the running costs for the clan
then we would have to vote on who does what positions for a 12 month term of office.
but if its a case of me financially paying for everything (as it is), then im afraid i will be the clan leader on cod4
with a council of leaders for admin/advisory matters

That what he just sent me in e-mail when I suggested nicely I be leader and he be 2nd in command.....



he pays for things, and I don't got much money to pay, but I been in the damn clan longer then him. I made the clan on TW, and brought it to COD4.


Should I just do what Decker saids? I already e-mailed some members about their support towards me if a war brakes out.



Ms.Kekvit Irae, would you like to join? :clown: :laugh4:

[Kekvit Irae]

Why does someone need to "financially support" the clan? You're the founder, and thus you're the owner.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Pay to run the Server I guess. But I made the clan, I run BHC's Website/Fourm on TW, so I should be able to run it on COD4. I see people donate to servers on BF2 and the leaders sometimes don't donate much, so doesn't matter.

http://www.freewebs.com/blackhawkclan8/

My TW Website


My COD4 website btw

http://www.bhc-rangers.com/


I'm going to e-mail him soon, Any more Advice Kekvit?

[Kekvit Irae]

Just because someone pays for the website doesn't grant them ownership of the organization.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

The website is free, he justs pays for the servers.

I shall E-mail him now and tell him I am going to be Leader, and he is removed from the clan. Good Idea?

[Craterus]

No need to remove him from the clan. Then you're just creating factions. Just say that you'd like to remain leader and it is your clan. You're grateful for his continued support (yada, yada) but you still want to be leader.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

He might try to "fight bacK" since he has p/w for site and I don't. Neverthenless, I should be the leader, regardless of who pays.


Max,

Mind you, this is BHC, and you know who made it.

In Which, I want to return as the Leader. Paying for servers does not make you a leader of this clan. I seen people in other clan donate more then what the leaders does, and the leader is.... the leader, and the clan still runs. No offense, bu like I said, paying for server does not grant you ownership of BHC. And the Site? I can help with the site... just you haven't sent me anything....



I thank you for your contiuned support and loyatly for BHC, but I like it if you hand power back over to me now Max.

Thanks.





Pitbull hasnt got access to website , only on server control panel,which he hasnt used yet
the server control panel lets you stop the server,if its lagging,reboot server, also select mod we use.
but since weve had probs with mods we only using extreme ,since it works ok,
but im trying to get a sniper weapon only mod ,for occational use
both servers are rebooted by gtx every morning at 5.20am,
i used to do it also ,but now dont have to
i just adjust the settings to what we use,ie hardcore with ff on ,as per website pic, and let the server run.
the only person who had access to the website was Bulldog,i had to give him my admin username and pw , cause i coudnt set up another admin for website, he then did a bit of streamlining and editing
i then picked the current theme,cause it was more "Army "like than any of the others. bulldog supplied the banners we use and the backround cammo.
i installed the teamspeak and other html codes we have on the website,
but im surprised i havent see much posting from you on the forum,
other guys are using it as ameans of communication,and it looks good now

the reason i want so many Cos is because we are gonna have 2 more servers soon and we need to spread the work load a bit
we will lose about 70 percent of the members that are listed on website,
due to no activity at all and those who dont play much(i dnt include you in this)as you are a Co and deserve the respect that goes with it.

last thing i want is unhappy leaders and members, thats why i want to set up meetings with proper agendas,so that everyhting is upfront
i can set you up as a moderator with the server,i havent done this before as youve been occupied with rtw, and thot that was your preferance.
get back to me



His E-mail he sent me now (1 minute before I e-mailed him).

This is what I said... He on now.... Wish me luck :yes:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Eh, it backfired and they forced me out of the clan :sweatdrop:

However, I regain control of BHC on TW though, not a total loss :clown:

[Daimon]

Don't just roll over! Crush those backstabbers !

: )

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Yeah, I fight to the end for my clan BHC :clown: