View Full Version : Swedish Al-Queda leader killed in Iraq.
Link (http://www.thelocal.se/14984/)
You know, it does pain me to see Sweden used like this.
Koga No Goshi
10-20-2008, 03:32
Now if only we could prove McCain is part Swedish.
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-20-2008, 04:19
Some vikings were Swedes.
Some vikings settled in Ireland.
McCain's Irish...
Come on, this is too easy.
Kadagar_AV
10-20-2008, 04:46
1. "Swede", well... His name wasn't exactly Sven Eriksson.
More like Muhammed Whablablabla...
2. Al-Queda, if you read up on Al-Queda, you will find it very strange that they now pop up everywhere... Or maybe the US is just clueless?
3. "Leader", that is a joke. Swedish SÄPO (Swedish version of NSA) has confirmed he is nothing remotely close to a terrorist leader.
Strike For The South
10-20-2008, 04:53
1. "Swede", well... His name wasn't exactly Sven Eriksson.
More like Muhammed Whablablabla...
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So you dont consider immigrants sweeds? Well that explains allot.
Kadagar_AV
10-20-2008, 04:58
well, it depends...
I do not consider anyone with a swedish passport a swede, no.
In this case, he came to sweden 5 years ago, got his passport 4 years ago, and went back to waristan 3 years ago...
He has thus lived 2 years in Sweden, before going back to fight.
No, I wouldn't call him a swede. A person with a Swedish passport, yes, but not a swede:)
Strike For The South
10-20-2008, 04:59
well, it depends...
I do not consider anyone with a swedish passport a swede, no.
In this case, he came to sweden 5 years ago, got his passport 4 years ago, and went back to waristan 3 years ago...
He has thus lived 2 years in Sweden, before going back to fight.
No, I wouldn't call him a swede. A person with a Swedish passport, yes, but not a swede:)
Thats not what your post said.
Kadagar_AV
10-20-2008, 05:06
My post did not say I don't consider immigrants swedes either...
Truth is somewhere in between.
But who or what I consider to be a swede is a topic for another day... In this particular case though, I dislike the notion of him being portrayed as a swede.
Strike For The South
10-20-2008, 05:09
My post did not say I don't consider immigrants swedes either...
Truth is somewhere in between.
But who or what I consider to be a swede is a topic for another day... In this particular case though, I dislike the notion of him being portrayed as a swede.
Well you made fun of his name and pointed out the fact that it wasnt spelled like a normal sweede. I can only draw one conclusion from that post. Maybe next time you shouldn't try to score a couple of cheap laughs with a bigoted post.
Kadagar_AV
10-20-2008, 05:24
Maybe next time you should not call someone a bigot based on two sentences?
People who do actually know me would laugh pretty hard at that... You know, when teaching, I have choosen to work in the ghettos... earning way less than I could. I have been a volunteer worker at a yuth center for immigrant kids. I participated in the "big brother" program to get immigrant kids out of criminality. My dad sat in a concentrationcamp (and most of my family on fathers side). At University, I started a program to help immigrants with the language for their raports and papers...
Basicly, if I say someone is not swedish I have some legitimate reasons for it.
I can agree that the post can come off a bit bad if you read it that way, so just don't :)
The man was a Swede, he had citizenship, therefore, a Swede. But this is all I consider him to have been- an immigrant made citizen.
Crazed Rabbit
10-20-2008, 05:32
3. "Leader", that is a joke. Swedish SÄPO (Swedish version of NSA) has confirmed he is nothing remotely close to a terrorist leader.
The Swedish citizen who on Wednesday evening was reported to have been killed by US forces in Iraq was Abu Qaswara - according to the UN and EU one of the most senior al-Qaeda leaders in the country.
:juggle2:
In this case, he came to sweden 5 years ago, got his passport 4 years ago, and went back to waristan 3 years ago...
“He came to Sweden in the middle of the 1980s, became a Swedish citizen in the mid-1990s and was here until 2006. In May 2006 he travelled to Iraq and hasn’t returned since,” said Israelsson.
:juggle2:
CR
Kadagar_AV
10-20-2008, 05:49
The Swedish citizen who on Wednesday evening was reported to have been killed by US forces in Iraq was Abu Qaswara - according to the UN and EU one of the most senior al-Qaeda leaders in the country.
Again, that is a joke. He isn't even part of al-qaeda, but of GIA (Groupe Islamique Armé). I know that the US wants to portray Al-Quade and Bin Laden as some sort of James Bond secret organisation with ties all over the world.... The reality is something else though. There are many, many small groups, with little or no connection (often fighting within too). However, sicne sep. 11 the US has blamed pretty much every terror act on this super secret organisation...
You are correct about citizenship though, the first sources of swedish media had it wrong, and it is now changed to "mid 1990s" as you say. However, he has not spent much actual time IN Sweden, cause SÄPO was on him at once.
He lived in my former area btw... cool:) That means I can get some more information probably, I know the people at his mosque and stuff:) Will check...
Strike For The South
10-20-2008, 06:06
Maybe next time you should not call someone a bigot based on two sentences?
People who do actually know me would laugh pretty hard at that... You know, when teaching, I have choosen to work in the ghettos... earning way less than I could. I have been a volunteer worker at a yuth center for immigrant kids. I participated in the "big brother" program to get immigrant kids out of criminality. My dad sat in a concentrationcamp (and most of my family on fathers side). At University, I started a program to help immigrants with the language for their raports and papers...
Basicly, if I say someone is not swedish I have some legitimate reasons for it.
I can agree that the post can come off a bit bad if you read it that way, so just don't :)
it isnt worth my time or the warning post deleted
Well good riddance. Too bad that he was able to misuse his Swedish citizenship. Let's hope his successor is an incompetent that leads to more Al-Queda losses and few civilian and coalition losses.
Kadagar_AV
10-20-2008, 06:18
sfts, as I mentioned, I had old information... There is a difference between being a liar and having the wrong info... Accepting to be wrong, and clearing up the facts is all anyone can do, isnt it?
So yes, he had been a swedish citizen (on paper) for 10+ years... However, my point remains that he wasnt participating in the swedish society, thus I find it a stretch to call him swedish...
Kadagar_AV
10-20-2008, 09:09
It seems like he blew himself up, killing some woman and kids in the process?
No reliable source though, can anyone confirm?
yesdachi
10-20-2008, 23:21
There is a difference between being a liar and having the wrong info...
That’s the same thing W said after invading Iraq. :laugh4::laugh4:
Louis VI the Fat
10-20-2008, 23:35
Well I have some trouble considering this man a Swede.
In fact, one can wonder whether lax immigration laws not only bring unwanted immigrants like this man into Europe, but whether this isn't dangerously close to Europe offering a safe haven for terrorists. :wall:
Abu Qaswara is a Moroccon terrorist, who is wanted by Morocco for terrorist activities, and who possibly escaped prosecution because of his Swedish nationality.
He was born in Morocco, lived there until he was an adult, radicalised, lived in Sweden for just long enough to gain citizenship, and no sooner had he aquired one or he left for Afghanistan.
Kadagar_AV
10-21-2008, 01:39
Louis, agreed.
When I read the swedish press and forums, it seems like most people are a bit angry that he gets portrayed as "swedish"...
Tribesman
10-21-2008, 01:47
It seems like every other week the leader of al-qaida in Iraq is killed .
They certainly have a lot of leaders don't they
Seamus Fermanagh
10-21-2008, 04:18
Bob MacNamara designed the "X al queda leader killed" software. What'd you expect?
Kadagar_AV
10-21-2008, 06:52
One out of 3 people struggling to free Iraq seems to be an al-quaeda leader...
Banquo's Ghost
10-21-2008, 07:08
It seems like every other week the leader of al-qaida in Iraq is killed .
They certainly have a lot of leaders don't they
Isn't that what happens when you have a Hydra and keep chopping the heads off (http://www.thestrategist.org/archives/2006/01/al_qaeda_as_hyd.html) without a plan?
LittleGrizzly
10-21-2008, 07:14
Its obvious to anyone that a war like this requires far far more than just killing the bad guys, we need the best damn pr campaign in history, and killing people is bad pr, so limit the killing and more pr!
PanzerJaeger
10-21-2008, 07:20
Some people will find 1001 ways to downplay the death of a muslim fanatic.
Yay for killing muslim fanatics.
Kadagar_AV
10-21-2008, 07:33
Panzer, what thread did you answer to?
No one has downplayed the death of a muslim fanatic, we just kind of disagree with him being a muslim fanatic in charge of other muslim fanatics.
We downplay the leadership role, as that is, well, wrong...
Abu Qaswara is a Moroccon terrorist, who is wanted by Morocco for terrorist activities, and who possibly escaped prosecution because of his Swedish nationality.
He was born in Morocco, lived there until he was an adult, radicalised, lived in Sweden for just long enough to gain citizenship, and no sooner had he aquired one or he left for Afghanistan.
Muahaha home of the beards land of the wee. I expect a lot of swedes are in their bed with an icebag on their heads 'what did we do wrong'
Kadagar_AV
10-21-2008, 10:33
No, we know what we did wrong, we let wayyyyy to many immigrants in, in to little time.
As an example, my brother lives in Södertälje a town with 81.000 citizens.
This town ALONE has accepted more Iraqis than the entire USA plus Canada together. Now do you see where the problem start?
When people think of Sweden they don't think of ghettos, well guess what, we now have ghettos as bad (or worse) as in the US. Like Rosengárd, where the firebrigade and ambulance refuse to go in without police escort, and where the police go in with minimum two cars at (single police patrols gets attacked).
About 85% of Rosengárd is muslim, and in Rosengárd High School, with about a thousand students, only two are born in Sweden.
So basicle, we have no control at all who is here and not, we pretty much give anyone a swedish passport.
Yep Sweden screwed up pretty epically. tip, use multiculturalists as biomass, they won't be able to ruin your country AND keep you warm.
Kadagar_AV
10-21-2008, 12:18
Don't get me wrong Frag... I am pro-immigration!
However, only under controlled forms, where the host country only accept as many as can be assimilated into the host culture...
I am all for accepting refugees, but the situation in sweden now has gone far to far...
I am an imigrant myself BTW, living in Austria... and my GF is from Vietnam (born in austria, viatnamese parents)...
*just some pointers before anyone calls me a nazi*
CountArach
10-21-2008, 12:38
Yep Sweden screwed up pretty epically. tip, use multiculturalists as biomass, they won't be able to ruin your country AND keep you warm.
Go for it Frag! Try to link Multiculturalism and Global Warming! You can do it! I believe in you!
Go for it Frag! Try to link Multiculturalism and Global Warming! You can do it! I believe in you!
Easy, the CO2 emmision in the third world is so much lower because anything third world that breathes is here. So if we are to really tackle this problem and bring back CO2 to an acceptable level we can do no other then send them back.
:bow:
@Kandahar, that doesn't sound much like the Swedish 'come here and bring your whole retarded village we don't care if you can't read or write or want to cut of our head we want to take CARE of you, cloth you feed you make you our pets' model. You guys are in trouble.
CountArach
10-21-2008, 13:12
Easy, the CO2 emmision in the third world is so much lower because anything third world that breathes is here. So if we are to really tackle this problem and bring back CO2 to an acceptable level we can do no other then send them back.
10/10! :balloon2: :balloon2: :2thumbsup: :balloon2: :balloon2:
KukriKhan
10-21-2008, 13:23
Go for it Frag! Try to link Multiculturalism and Global Warming! You can do it! I believe in you!
:laugh4::laugh4: Post-of-the-month!:laugh4::laugh4:
On-topic: still haven't found a source citing that the killed guy blew himself up vs being shot. Most still report he was "...killed by coalition forces...".
Kadagar_AV
10-21-2008, 13:41
Swedish media says he blew himself up, killing women and children in the process...
Koga No Goshi
10-21-2008, 17:36
@Kandahar, that doesn't sound much like the Swedish 'come here and bring your whole retarded village we don't care if you can't read or write or want to cut of our head we want to take CARE of you, cloth you feed you make you our pets' model. You guys are in trouble.
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
@ funny NW Europe thinking it is in an epic, unprecedented struggle with immigration.
Strike For The South
10-21-2008, 18:27
No, we know what we did wrong, we let wayyyyy to many immigrants in, in to little time.
As an example, my brother lives in Södertälje a town with 81.000 citizens.
This town ALONE has accepted more Iraqis than the entire USA plus Canada together. Now do you see where the problem start?
When people think of Sweden they don't think of ghettos, well guess what, we now have ghettos as bad (or worse) as in the US. Like Rosengárd, where the firebrigade and ambulance refuse to go in without police escort, and where the police go in with minimum two cars at (single police patrols gets attacked).
About 85% of Rosengárd is muslim, and in Rosengárd High School, with about a thousand students, only two are born in Sweden.
So basicle, we have no control at all who is here and not, we pretty much give anyone a swedish passport.
I want scourers Give me some demographic data please
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
@ funny NW Europe thinking it is in an epic, unprecedented struggle with immigration.
Well the swedish situation is much more dire because they have opened the door for a much more confident islam, they have actually encouraged it by being so incredibly stupid.
Koga No Goshi
10-21-2008, 19:59
Well the swedish situation is much more dire because they have opened the door for a much more confident islam, they have actually encouraged it by being so incredibly stupid.
Every society is going to have growing pains when having immigration, especially if the donor country and host country's cultures are very different. Why you consistently assign this as a problem with Muslims is beyond me. The U.S. has had all kinds of special problems with very culturally foreign groups like the Hmong (who still die of mysterious, unexplained causes.. possibly some form of very intensive culture shock) or even mass immigration of mainland Chinese for that matter.
Ironside
10-21-2008, 20:19
I want scourers Give me some demographic data please
Newspaper articles is good enough?
http://www.thelocal.se/11040/20080411/
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=752282 Swedish
http://freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=470&Itemid=9
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/09/ST2008040904391.html
Take a good look at the dates for each article. Taken together
Remind you that's because the total Iraqi gotten into the US is about 6000 since the start of the war, by april 2008 (after US actually started to seriously accept refugees in a ratio higher than 1000 a month). The number counted as refugees is quite a small percentage of that.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/14/us.iraq.refugees/index.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/09/us_lags_on_iraqi_refugee_admissions/
But the does actually seems to have changed on the matter this year. Holding the pledge of 12000 refugees that was given after hearing about the above mentioned fact. So Södertälje had more until about February 2008.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/fromthefield/220270/122236759674.htm
Sweden have taken more than 42.000 in total (exploded 2006-), compared to the 70.000 already here since Saddams regime.
Fragony, Södertälje is "overrun" by Christian Assyrians btw.
Strike For The South
10-21-2008, 20:33
Newspaper articles is good enough?
http://www.thelocal.se/11040/20080411/
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1298&a=752282 Swedish
http://freecopts.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=470&Itemid=9
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/09/ST2008040904391.html
Take a good look at the dates for each article. Taken together
Remind you that's because the total Iraqi gotten into the US is about 6000 since the start of the war, by april 2008 (after US actually started to seriously accept refugees in a ratio higher than 1000 a month). The number counted as refugees is quite a small percentage of that.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/14/us.iraq.refugees/index.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/09/us_lags_on_iraqi_refugee_admissions/
But the does actually seems to have changed on the matter this year. Holding the pledge of 12000 refugees that was given after hearing about the above mentioned fact. So Södertälje had more until about February 2008.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/fromthefield/220270/122236759674.htm
Sweden have taken more than 42.000 in total (exploded 2006-), compared to the 70.000 already here since Saddams regime.
Fragony, Södertälje is "overrun" by Christian Assyrians btw.
Thank you. Good for Sweeden
Tribesman
10-21-2008, 21:06
Fragony, Södertälje is "overrun" by Christian Assyrians btw.
But they are secretly really Muslims and are the pillar of the islamic fifth column that is going to take over saab and make all the cars halal after forcing you to live under sharia.
Strike For The South
10-21-2008, 21:08
But they are secretly really Muslims and are the pillar of the islamic fifth column that is going to take over saab and make all the cars halal after forcing you to live under sharia.
I heard this to
Never heard of that place in my life, should I? Am I missing out on a 'them as well'?
Fragony, Södertälje is "overrun" by Christian Assyrians btw.
Good to know that they've managed to escape from Iraq. Kinda sad that they *had* to escape though.
Koga No Goshi
10-21-2008, 23:58
But they are secretly really Muslims and are the pillar of the islamic fifth column that is going to take over saab and make all the cars halal after forcing you to live under sharia.
Don't forget that the Muslims are the ones paying Al Gore to preach the lie of global warming, too. Hoax, hoax, hoax.
Tribesman
10-22-2008, 01:26
Don't forget that the Muslims are the ones paying Al Gore to preach the lie of global warming
I thought Al-gore was the one that is trying to get a Muslim into the White House .
Koga No Goshi
10-22-2008, 01:30
I thought Al-gore was the one that is trying to get a Muslim into the White House .
No no that's Communist multiculturalists trying to get Muslims into the White House. While Muslims try to get Al Gore into the Greenhouse.
Redicule, blind spots, conditioned anti-racist reflexes
-Louis the Fat
Yep. So true.
Banquo's Ghost
10-22-2008, 07:17
This thread appears to have run out of discussion on the the topic, so it may retire with what dignity is left to it.
:closed:
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