The Prometheus: Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Lynch write up later today. Khaan has been lynched.

Sorry, but I'm really busy yesterday and today.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Khaan: X (Pretty much everyone)
Reenk RoinK: 1 (Khaan)

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The Captain had been pacing the holding room with the cryo-chambers when he heard a commotion in the general meeting room. It was not yet halfway through the day.

As he entered he saw one man finishing the end of what appeared to be a length speech:
“And that is how I came to find out that Seireikhaan is The Agent!” exclaimed the man, pointing with an outstretched hand in dramatic fashion.

Seireikhaan denied the charge, but the people in the audience were convinced. One after another they voted for him.

The Captain signaled the security men, who began to move towards Khaan. But he suddenly backed up from the crowd, causing the crew members near him to move away in fear.

“Yes, I am the guardian, the sentinel of the Earth! I have come to prevent your selfish act of war upon the planet, your cruel and vicious rape of nature!”

The crowd stood enthralled. The security men nervously held their ground, and no one approached him.

“All this,” said Khaan, sweeping his arms around the room, “Will be undone! Your contraptions and constructions of evil, built from acts of murder, will be torn asunder! The society which you would build from murder, death, and destruction the world over will be prevented!

“For despite all your cunning and the tools of death you employ, your mission will fail! The power of Earth is greater and more glorious than all your metal machinations and it will triumph! I am not the last on this ship that will fight for Gaia and defend her from the insane!” and he smiled at the crowd, a smile of smug victory.

A face in the crowd smiled deeply back at him.

“And through my sacrifice I have saved the Earth! Your cause is futile!” Khaan yelled.

“End this,” said the Captain forcefully, and the security men, jolted out of their thrall, ran forward, stun guns out and ready.
Khaan shifted his stance and set a grim visage on his face. He turned to the nearest man and kicked out swiftly at his knee, bringing him to the ground. Khaan had already shifted to the other security man and grabbed the arm holding the stun gun, then turned and threw the man while ramming the stun gun into his side.

The crowd of crewmembers was close behind in a rush towards Khaan. White Eyes was in the front of the crowd, and swung a fierce haymaker at Khaan, who deflected it and grasped White Eyes’ head, dragging it down and kneeing him forcefully in the abdomen. White Eyes gasped and stumbled. Khaan kept one hand on his head to pull it up, and with his other punched powerfully at his throat, crushing White Eyes’ trachea. Then he brought another knee up to break White Eyes’ nose and finally let his body crumple to the ground.

Khaan pivoted and threw the next man over his hip, then faced the next coming at him and rained a flurry of blows at his upper body that halted him. The rush had abated, as the remaining uninjured crew members held back. The Captain had come to the front.

“You crumble like decadent cities before the fury of nature!” taunted Khaan, turning to one of the men behind him on the ground, lifting his foot and preparing to bring it down.

But the Captain sprang forward to attack. Khaan turned in preparation, expecting this. The Captain brought his fist back to attack, but then struck with his leg at Khaan’s calf. The unexpected blow caused him to lose his footing and stumble back. The Captain moved quickly and grabbed Khaan, tackling him down. The crew members were behind him, and together they subdued Khaan. Some time later, after more minor injuries inflicted by Khaan, and major injuries inflicted on him, they had forced him into one of the cryo-chambers. Like Askthepizzaguy, he was stuffed in at an unintended angle. Unlike his minion, he had struggled for far longer and sustained many more injuries.

“Well,” said the captain, wiping sweat off his face, “We got the main tree screwer. Looks like he’ll have only have himself to pleasure now, though. Might be hard when his broken bones set in that condition, though.”

“Men,” he said turning to the assorted crew, “We have earned a great victory today. But even in our triumph, I must remind you that this is not over. I believe he did not lie when he spoke of more followers. We must continue searching for them and leave no stone unturned.”

The men went to bed with grim joy, though they wept for White Eyes.

Alive (8)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good

Killed (6)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (7)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan

[White_eyes:D]

:bow: sweet, now I won't be lynched.....YLC MUST be the last Mafia.....:yes: glad it was me and not Reenk.....:clown:

[ULC]

I MUST be the last mafia? I don't like the accusatory tone there. But I happily sacrifice myself to further the towns goals. At least with my death, I might get proven innocent. 1 vote, 2 votes, does not matter. I can still use my mind to help the town after death, it's not like my votes have actually helped the town thus far anyway :shame:.

*runs a hand over a computer display and begins a series of preprogrammed sequences, and after almost 3 hours, a disc is ejected from the computer*

This is a storage of a series of algorithms that contain an AI skeleton of me. Insert it into the system after my death, for I prefer to die, rather then be Iced, and you will be able to communicate with me, at least in proxy. There is considerable valuable information in this disk...don't let it go to waste...

[White_eyes:D]

I MUST be the last mafia? I don't like the accusatory tone there. But I happily sacrifice myself to further the towns goals. At least with my death, I might get proven innocent. 1 vote, 2 votes, does not matter. I can still use my mind to help the town after death, it's not like my votes have actually helped the town thus far anyway :shame:

really?:inquisitive:. Then why, when it was tied did you try and lynch Chaotix? and I recall you were a little upset when pevergreen tied it up....
Unvote: Khaan, Vote: Pizza Guy

Arent there a few votes for khaan?
then you posted after it....
Any reason your trying to tie this up Pever?
And a little after that you could see that Khaan really was Mafia....and looking out for Pizza guy...
Meh.

Pizzaguy is more useful. Plus, Chaotix will almost assuredly pull a "me".

Nevermind, folks. For some reason, I thought I had voted for white eyes. Apparently not, however.
Khaan even tried to slide it off as if he voted for me....:yes::laugh4:

[Chaotix]

YLC is a prime suspect, but don't go crazy on him, White Eyes. There is still the chance that the last mafia wasn't converted till after ATPG's lynch. If possible, Reenk should investigate YLC, so that he can tell us in the chance that he isn't killed.

Edit: if I remember, you, White Eyes, are the other suspect here.

[Yoyoma1910]

Edit: if I remember, you, White Eyes, are the other suspect here.



He just joined us at the fully dead club. I would imagine that removes him from the suspect list.

[Mithrandir]

YLC
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good

These are your suspects, obviously not mine since I'd remove my own name.

Please investigate me.

vote: Alexander the pretty good. Talk! ~:whip:

ps: I may not be online for the next 2 days, be gentile oh captain of captains.

[Mithrandir]

YLC has voted a few times for khaan only to change it a few post later to someone else...

None of the survivors has really voted for khaan :(.


Of the suspects, only YLC and myself are fairly active. How about some airlocking?

[Reenk Roink]

:7detective:

:2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup:

:balloon2::balloon::balloon3::balloon2::balloon: and ~:snowman:~:snowman:~:snowman:~:snowman: and :barrel::barrel::barrel::barrel::barrel::barrel: for all.

~:grouphug:

Ok, right now we have to rid ourselves of lurkers, either by them talking, or lynching. My choice for my next investigation is YLC for obvious reasons, but now is the time for the town to :gossip:.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

lol, it's the night phase mith - no voting. A little eager though, huh?

[Mithrandir]

lol, it's the night phase mith - no voting. A little eager though, huh?

I voted for you last round because you were too quiet and this time again, and that is your only reply?

No "I'm busy in real life" or something?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Being a townie leaves me with a dearth of accurate information on the members of our fair crew. I don't like talking when I don't know anything.

:shrug:

[Crazed Rabbit]

The crewmembers of The Prometheus stayed up later than usual, celebrating their success. Surely, they thought, they would soon find whatever fanatics remained. Only time would tell.

But in another unlit room, the only thing moving were shadows. There was the only the soft noises of infrequent movement. Finally there was the rustle of paper and movement of shadows. A moment later, the room was empty.

In the morning, the crew yelled in triumph when they found out no one had been killed in the night. But their mood died somewhat when they saw the Captain finally appear in the meeting room.

"We have done well, but I do not think we are finished. There are more on this ship, and we must do whatever it takes to find them," he said.

"And take care," he added, "That you do not go back to eager bandwagonings."

So the crew began to talk.

Alive (8)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good

Killed (6)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (7)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan

[seireikhaan]

The final log of Seireikhaan is discovered; a final, uncoded message of hope:



My dear Children. It seems my time hear is near to en end. It has been a time of great triumphs and hard frustrations. I first wish to let you know that I have valued our time together; despite the peril we faced, these were the finest days of my life to date. For I know that my contributions to The Great Society have been good and fruitful; that, of course, is the most any of us can hope for in this world of ours.

Of course, this leads me to my point; the constant struggle against those who would threaten our cause waged ever onwards. But do not despair. For much like the flytrap ensnares the fly, so I have already ensnared the devils you combat. The trap is laid; now, we must pounce. For if the flytrap waits too long to snap shut, the dirty, contaminated fly will escape.

And so, I leave you, likely for a long while. I bid thee good luck in completing our mission, and a vibrant, glowing earth when you return.

[White_eyes:D]

Lynch YLC this round anyway:yes:......as I think he just recruited someone last night....also a note about why the Mafia is able to kill someone before he dies:book:....I think that it has to do with an ability that they have, as it is like they want to take out who they think is the most dangerous to them and me naming YLC as the Mafia made me kinda dangerous(Since we all knew Khaan was lynched:skull:) and I feel like Reenk was not the target since there was a strong possibility that he would wait and try to investigate rather then lynch(and we all know how open to being killed Reenk now is, I don't think he will get one more investigation) so.....Lynch YLC:clown:

[Chaotix]

Let's wait to see the results of Reenk's investigation. Hopefully, he investigated YLC, which should tell us whether or not to lynch him. If he winds up being innocent, we'll have to find someone else... likely one of the lurkers or semi-lurkers who never seem to vote.

[Reenk Roink]

I don't get to investigate this night. :shame:

[White_eyes:D]

I don't get to investigate this night. :shame:

Which is why you should lynch YLC:furious3:.....unless you guys feel it is one of the lurkers?(unlikely, since they are about to be thrown out the airlock anyway....) and Chaotix are you trying to make the town lose?:confuse:, I think he must have been Mafia or something I mean "Go after the Lurkers? or Semi-Lurkers?" anyway if you don't take care of YLC tonight he WILL kill Reenk or someone else.....

[ULC]

White_eyes, not to disturb your Crusade or anything, but please stop trying to persecute me...*sighs* If I could commit suicide legally in this game, I would, but then I am not sure I would be able to continue to post. Nonetheless, lynch me if you must, I don't care. At least then I won't have to betray the town.

Reenk will likely die tonight, regardless if I am mafia or not. Reenk's death won't make me mafia, it's simple an intelligent move to get rid of the one person who can crush you, especially when your all alone.

I can still operate and help the town, even if I am "dead".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Let us hear from our Peasantish friend. Yes, this is a pressure vote.

Vote: Peasant Phil

[ULC]

Hmmm...we haven't heard from

Ichigo
twilightblade
Peasant Phill

That much at all...

[Beefy187]

wasnt TB going to vacation?

[White_eyes:D]

Ichigo- always voted for Khaan mostly.....
twilightblade- left after a while I think...
Peasant Phill- at first I thought he was in on it with Khaan, voting for me in the first round for "he has been under the radar so far" but then I have no idea.....
YLC- were do I start? :dizzy2: anyway he was pissed way back that pevergreen helped tie it up with Pizza Guy, has been very active and dodgy. And if you look at the write-up when I got killed, Khaan made a speech and it said this hint
“For despite all your cunning and the tools of death you employ, your mission will fail! The power of Earth is greater and more glorious than all your metal machinations and it will triumph! I am not the last on this ship that will fight for Gaia and defend her from the insane!” and he smiled at the crowd, a smile of smug victory.

A face in the crowd smiled deeply back at him. Meaning not counting last night there is only or rather was only ONE mafia last night....and I think that Khaan choose his two Mafia at the start and who better then Pizza Guy(Very good) and YLC(also very good and active).

[ULC]

I thank you kindly for thinking that I am a good mafia player White_Eyes, but the fact is I am not. Also, I was angry with Pevergreen for tying it up, because in my eyes, there was no need, and time was running short. Tying it up would mean a run off (which happened), which means the mafia could then dive in and save there guy and the town would lose thier chance. Pizzaguy had convinced me Chaotix was guilty, so obviously, still thinking Pizzaguy was innocent, I was irritated that Pevergreen would do that, and enable the mafia to get away cleanly.

[pevergreen]

TB is on a cruise, and he continually doesnt care about the games he joins. He is not mafia.

Im getting annoyed with WE crusading for YLC. I think it is either PP or YLC though...

[Sigurd]

*Deep in his cryo sleep, Sigurd wonders why YLC haven't voted himself yet*

[ULC]

Because that is a stupid tactic, and I have no urge to prove my innocence with it. If the town thinks me guilty, then lynch me. If you think me innocent, vote for who you think is guilty. I'm not going to waste the towns time by screwing around like that.

[White_eyes:D]

The Town is just letting a golden chance slip by....:creep: (you guys are cruel....you ALL would have voted for me had Khaan not killed me?:sad:)

[ULC]

No one is going to vote? Fine, Vote: Mithrandir

Your the last animal lover among us...

[Mithrandir]

No one is going to vote?

You lied, eamus already voted. Also, you completely ignored some posts about locking up the lurkers.

Vote:YLC

[Chaotix]

Yeah, White Eyes needs to calm down. Of course YLC is a prime target for lynch, because he's the only remaining one to vote for me during ATPG's lynch, but as scummy as he seems right now, we can't overlook the possibility that khaan converted his second after ATPG's lynch, in which case it could be anybody. However, CR's write-ups tend to be against this particular series of events, because he usually refers to the mafia as a group and not a couple.

So if I was still alive, I would vote YLC at this point.

For one thing, I am unsure as to why Reenk cannot investigate this night, when we could certainly use his assistance. Please, tell us the details of your investigation powers. As much as I hate to say it, I'm still getting a suspicious vibe from Reenk. Chances are it's just his playstyle that irks me. :shrug:

By the way, from tonight's write-up, it seems possible that the remaining mafia converted another townie.

[Mithrandir]

For one thing, I am unsure as to why Reenk cannot investigate this night, when we could certainly use his assistance. Please, tell us the details of your investigation powers.
From his posts: he can investigate every other night.


As much as I hate to say it, I'm still getting a suspicious vibe from Reenk. Chances are it's just his playstyle that irks me. :shrug:



I had the same idea, but this would mean that he and 3 (2?) other maffia (ichigo, seamus...?) and would pretty much mean that the "town" is lost.

However, from the write up it seems khaan was maffia. Khaan wasn't in inmediate threat of being lynched so the detective reveal wouldn't be the most logical maffia move...

[Reenk Roink]

Yeah, White Eyes needs to calm down. Of course YLC is a prime target for lynch, because he's the only remaining one to vote for me during ATPG's lynch, but as scummy as he seems right now, we can't overlook the possibility that khaan converted his second after ATPG's lynch, in which case it could be anybody. However, CR's write-ups tend to be against this particular series of events, because he usually refers to the mafia as a group and not a couple.

So if I was still alive, I would vote YLC at this point.

For one thing, I am unsure as to why Reenk cannot investigate this night, when we could certainly use his assistance. Please, tell us the details of your investigation powers. As much as I hate to say it, I'm still getting a suspicious vibe from Reenk. Chances are it's just his playstyle that irks me. :shrug:

By the way, from tonight's write-up, it seems possible that the remaining mafia converted another townie.

:laugh4:

But seriously, someone holds a grudge... :rolleyes:

Look my reveal PM basically explains everything, and given that not even the Mafia are killing every night for whatever reason, well...

Also about the conversion business, my investigation of khaan stated that "the necessary equipment malfunctioned" and it seems to imply that they cannot convert anymore, though the thought of a previously innocent Ichigo (who actually stopped posting, hopefully just due to Thanksgiving or whatever) or Seamus being converted is pretty scary.

Also, Vote: Mithrandir. If you examine his style recently, he's completely stopped role playing and acting like an aloof townie. Like Alexander the Pretty Good pointed out, there is something of him kinda rushed now. End stage fright buddy? :beam:

He's a better choice than YLC, who should probably go next round.

[White_eyes:D]

:laugh4:

But seriously, someone holds a grudge... :rolleyes:

Look my reveal PM basically explains everything, and given that not even the Mafia are killing every night for whatever reason, well...

Also about the conversion business, my investigation of khaan stated that "the necessary equipment malfunctioned" and it seems to imply that they cannot convert anymore, though the thought of a previously innocent Ichigo (who actually stopped posting, hopefully just due to Thanksgiving or whatever) or Seamus being converted is pretty scary.

Also, Vote: Mithrandir. If you examine his style recently, he's completely stopped role playing and acting like an aloof townie. Like Alexander the Pretty Good pointed out, there is something of him kinda rushed now. End stage fright buddy? :beam:

He's a better choice than YLC, who should probably go next round.

Ok, Reenk your choice but if YLC is the only Mafia left(who is giving off a Pizza Guy, Khaan type vibe:juggle2:) Then tonight you die:beam:......or you are Mafia and there is some kind of splinter group...because YLC would then be the target for your investigation and we all know that if YLC is Mafia then he can't let it happen:sweatdrop: and might worm his way out be saying something like "I have been framed, everyone knows I would let him investigate me because I am a innocent townie:saint:"

[ULC]

Wait, what? Explain that thought process to me more clearly White Eyes.

[White_eyes:D]

Wait, what? Explain that thought process to me more clearly White Eyes.

You will kill the Investigator tonight, so he can't post the results of his investigation....and then you well somehow claim you were framed and are too obvious a target to be lynched tomorrow.[Whiteeyes:D in layman terms:clown:]

[ULC]

Umm..right, because that would never happen period, we know the mafia are utter fools and won't actualy get rid of the Investigator as soon as possible. Your using rather poor logic to keep trying to get me lynched White Eyes, why?

[White_eyes:D]

Umm..right, because that would never happen period, we know the mafia are utter fools and won't actualy get rid of the Investigator as soon as possible. Your using rather poor logic to keep trying to get me lynched White Eyes, why?

But you are trapped then....:juggle2: because if Reenk investigates you tonight and IF you are Mafia then you will have no choice but to kill him.....or tell him to investigate someone else(Unlikely since Mithrandir well be lynched) and he did have you next on his list of guys to investigate.....

[Csargo]

Vote:RR

[ULC]

But you are trapped then....:juggle2: because if Reenk investigates you tonight and IF you are Mafia then you will have no choice but to kill him.....or tell him to investigate someone else(Unlikely since Mithrandir will be lynched) and he did have you next on his list of guys to investigate.....

You assuming I am having an issue with him investigating me. I don't, why would I? It's really the perfect setup the mafia has me in, but frozen or killed, it shouldn't matter. At least you'll listen to me once it's over.

[Mithrandir]

Yes, I changed style. Yes, the endgame has started.No i am not maffia, or anything else except a towny.

You have my word.

Ichigo voting for RR is weird since RR cleared him from suspicion. But, like I did the whole game, I''ll countervote.

unvote: YLC
Vote: Reenk Roink

[ULC]

Why are you tying it up Mithrandir?

[Peasant Phill]

I'm used to the fact that my style of play and the time I can spend on this forum nets me some votes as semi-lurker. So I won't retaliate for that or even defend myself to elaboratly. Just this: Would a (semi-)lurking mafia be of any use in this stage of the game?

Secondly, I see no reason to vote Reenk. If he's mafia, then he played real gutsy and was very lucky on top of that. And as he cleared Ichigo already, I'll vote Mith.

[Sigurd]

*Why are people voting our savior in troubled times?*


Tally

Mith: 2 (RR, YLC)
RR: 2 (Ichigo, Mith)

PP: 1 (Seamus)

Not voting: 3 (Alexander, PP, TB)

[pevergreen]

Because he isnt 100% our saviour.

If RR faked it and just sacrificed one of his convertees, he then has sway over the town. As long as he is alive, we cant be 100% sure of his innocence.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Folks, this is mafia, where paranoia is both a healthy survival tool AND the means of your own destruction.

If you endlessly chain out possibilities, then you must acknowledge that ANYTHING is POSSIBLE. That does not mean that you should steer your voting that way. After all, I coul be killed before finishing this post should an airliner plummet into my home -- but while POSSIBLE it's not the way I'm going to plan out my day. Use what evidence you have, make a reasonable assessment of the probabilities, and move forward. Endlessly spinning the possibilities leads to inaction and that will get the town dead.


If conversion does feature as a component of this game (reasonable though unconfirmed supposition), then it is possible (though unlikely) that the detective role would be open to conversion.

Reenk's info has borne out so far, including the write-up of the last lynch. It is possible that CR purposely wrote to confuse us, but his write-up indicates the lynch was of the primary eco-agent. This does not preclude the existence of other eco-agents, but does suggest, in combination with the lynch of Pizza, that we have accomplished much in removing the threat to Prometheus.

Reenk is NOT, therefore, a good vote at this juncture. Yes, its possible he's been converted, or that he always was mafia and has done this as a "Queen's Gambit" strategy to win. The writeups and his style thus far do not lead me to think this.


Phil: Why the overly "noble" crap about not voting vengeance-style? I clearly labeled my vote on you as a pressure tactic. It was the explanation I wanted. And to answer your question, if the chap in question is openly and generally acknowledged to be a semi-lurker then his reputation can make him a good mafioso choice.

Mith is my other consideration at this stage though. His role-playing indicates quite a bit of involvment in the game, but also sets up nicely as a tactic.

I'll leave the vote alone for now, but must ponder.

[Reenk Roink]

I have realized that there is never any real glory in detective roles, but hey, it beats being a townie. :shrug:

Seriously though, I accept my fate. :bow: I truly had missed Mafia. :smiley:

My advice if people are still willing to listen to me:

1) Leave Ichigo and Seamus alone for the moment. Yes, it is always a possibility that they could have been converted, but to be honest, the plausibility of that (to the town, I'm basically 100% sure they haven't been, at least definitely not yet, unless Crazed Rabbit changes the dynamic later on) should be less than than the plausibility of me lying (which again is to the town, as I am 100% sure I am at least relating to you whatever info Crazed Rabbit gave me). If we don't flush out the Mafia in the next two rounds, than the entire game has to be reevaluated.

2) Peasant Phill is tough to judge because he is so good at keeping a same alibi and behavior. However, I was never one to follow the behavior change = more than townie thing myself and I believe him for now. He was never on my suspect list and still is not.

3) Mithrandir and YLC are obviously my two biggest suspects. I have others, but for the moment they will be unnamed. Nothing near the suspicion I had of Seamus (fail) or seireikhaan (incredible success), but still a lot more than just a gut feeling.

4) If you are going to lynch me, do it now. Get rid of all possible avenues of suspicion against me. By the endgame, the worst thing is having a couple or even several suspects. You must decide now, because I fear I will be used as a pawn in the Mafia.

5) Suicides are the most selfish and stupid thing ever. I would never suicide, and neither should any of you just because someone thinks you are suspicious. You may think you are doing a noble thing in clearing your name up, but you are just making it easier for the Mafia, getting them one step closer. We should be extremely happy that there has only been 1 Wrath of God this game.

6: Happy Thanksgiving. :smiley:

[Mithrandir]

Like I said before, investigate me. Please.

unvote Reenk Roink
Vote: PEasant Phill

Inactive this whole time and then returning just to bandwagon me.

Clearly I'm pretty much dead meat now,

Like I said, you have my word that I'm innocent. So good job for lynching me */sarcasm\*

I'll just enjoy the last few moments on this spacecraft, eating my remaining camelcheese and drinking my last few gallons of camelmilk.

[Sigurd]

*I believe Reenk for now. His story checks out. In the round pever was voted out and supposedly the round he investigated pever, he stated that he thought pever was not guilty.
When pever stated that you have lynched the wrong man, RR replied: "Correct" with the subtle emoticons he usually use when sitting on esoteric game info. Those who have played against RR before, know this.*

[Crazed Rabbit]

Voting Stopped, Tallying.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

PPhill: 11 (Seamus, Mithrandir)
Mithrandir: 111 (YLC, PPhill, Reenk)
Reenk: 1 (Ichigo)

After a long day of discussion the crew had settled on whom to imprison. They went to the Captain, or rather, to the meeting room. For the second time today, but perhaps only the third time on this entire trip, the Captain was late to a meeting.

But he arrived shortly and directed the security men to grab Mithrandir after he was selected. He was grabbed without resistance and led to the cryo-chamber, holding an odd bottle of whitish liquid. Along the way, he protested his innocence before entering the cryo-chamber.

But the whole time passed without incident, and everyone breathed a sigh of relief after yesterday's imprisoning of the fanatic.

"This discussion is good, crewmembers, though it came to nought today. We shall have to try harder tomorrow and leave no stone unturned in our search. Be wary tonight," said The Captain.

"Oh, one more thing; There are some who did not participate today. Make sure that you don't continue this, or you know what I will do."

And so the crew went to sleep.

Alive (7)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Alexander The Pretty Good


Killed (6)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (9)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir

[White_eyes:D]

Sorry Reenk.....out of your two "suspects" I believe you....how do I say it? oh.. yes, Screwed the pooch...:no: Note to everyone: Never underestimate new Mafia players that you have never seen before.....they could hand your *** to you....:surrender: YLC will lie his way out.....again*sighs*

[pevergreen]

We know that White Eyes. A certain PK managed to play the entire town in his first mafia game.

[Chaotix]

Who's PK? Or maybe you meant SK/Serial Killer?

Gah. No votes for YLC at all. Reenk, please investigate him so that we can prove his guilt or innocence. Assuming you can... it's every other night that you can do this, right?

[Reenk Roink]

Wowowow...

I sent my PM right after the night had started to Crazed Rabbit to get one back before the kill stage (sometimes he puts the kill stage up BEFORE replying to my investigation and sometimes AFTER it so it seems to be dependent on who sends the PM first).



You head to the cabin of Peasant Phill but quickly realize something is amiss when your entry card fails to open the door. After several attempts at swiping it to no avail, you settle on the more indirect method of overriding the lock system manually. However, after noticing that the panel has been completely rewired, you run out of ideas. Briefly considering and discarding the idea of cutting your way through, you go and investigate other cabins and notice the same changes. Dejected, you return to your room.


I sent a PM to Crazed Rabbit after this asking if I still could do investigations. What I got back was:

"You can try.

CR"

:shrug:

Yes, though I posted otherwise, my real suspects this past round were Mithrandir and Peasant Phill. How stupid do you think the Reenkmaistro is divulging his exact plans in public? :laugh4: Just keeping you on your toes Mafia, a battle of wits is a bad deal for you. :laugh4:


Sorry Reenk.....out of your two "suspects" I believe you....how do I say it? oh.. yes, Screwed the pooch...:no: Note to everyone: Never underestimate new Mafia players that you have never seen before.....they could hand your *** to you....:surrender: YLC will lie his way out.....again*sighs*

What made YLC at that point a better choice than Mithrandir, who clearly just completely changed after khaan was lynched?

Anyway, my new piece of advice is watch Peasant Phill, who has had roles and portrayed the same behavior (Rise of the Mob), as well as Alexander the Pretty Good, who lurked his way to Jotun dominance under Loki's soothing words (Midgard Saga).

[White_eyes:D]

I admit I am shocked~:eek:....Reenk, who after doing such a impressive reveal.....is going to make the town lose because he is judging people based on how they played past games and if they stop roleplaying?? He is either a Mafia/Serial Killer or REALLY wants revenge on guys who may have whooped him in the past either way YLC well go free:wall:...

[pevergreen]

If you have such great proof, come out and say it.

All we have is your continuing crusade against YLC.

PK = PrivateerKev

[Chaotix]

Against Peasant Phill and Alexander, we have only speculation based on previous games, which is, although sometimes right, not really substantial if we were to go by a correct-to-incorrect instance basis.

Against YLC, however, we do have some evidence. It has been pretty much established in the killings before the Pizzaguy lynch that there were already three mafia then. Unless another townie has been converted, it's been those same three mafia from the beginning. If we go back to Pizzaguy's lynch, we see this:

Pizzaguy: IIIII (shlin, ATPG, Pevergreen, Ichi, Seamus)
Chaotix: IIIII (khaan, YLC, Pizzaguy, White Eyes, Reenk)
Shlin: I (Chaotix
Phill: I (Beefy)
YLC: I (Mithrandir)
Beefy: I (TB )
Reenk: II (Yoyoma, Chaotix)

Alexander voted for Pizzaguy. In a lynch that close, I don't think he would have dared to vote for a fellow mafia. Phill didn't vote. In this case it's less certain, but in a close lynch like that, wouldn't the mafia want to be sure that their allies survive?

As for those who did vote for me, only YLC and Reenk are still alive. Reenk has been established as the detective, and if he lied, it was a very, very gutsy move to have khaan lynched. Plus, he was changing his vote back and forth between me and Pizzaguy, and actually his final vote would have been on Pizzaguy if there wasn't a time extension.

YLC, on the other hand, has no such evidence towards his innocence. He voted for me in that lynch, and became annoyed when I was about to be lynched and then pevergreen tied it up. That seems like substantial, if not solid grounds for a lynch to me.

Town only has 2, maybe three nights left to get this last mafia. We have to get this right, or we lose, and YLC seems the best choice to me. White Eyes' "crusade", while a bit overzealous, is not without reason.

There. That enough proof?

[White_eyes:D]

*Check post above*:yes: and also YLC has always responded to my posts.....even if it had only a hint of truth to it he was quick to shoot it down.....and don't be to quick to trust Reenk, as I find it too convenient that for this night his Investigations stop:inquisitive: and that he has other suspects in mind all of a sudden(it reeks of a SK/Mafia or even a third faction move):book: He might also not have been fully truthful about them no longer being able to convert...(what if Reenk is the Main Mafia?*shudders*)....Can Reenk show us the PM that said they can no longer convert with Khaan gone?

[Peasant Phill]

Anyway, my new piece of advice is watch Peasant Phill, who has had roles and portrayed the same behavior (Rise of the Mob)

I've always had the same behavior in all the mafia games Iv'e played so far, namely to log on once a day and respond. This isn't a tactic as it usually gets me killed by the mafia somewhere in the middle of the game. I play this way as it's all I have time for.
Secondly, it's true I've had roles in previous games or more accuratly I've had one role namely the role of doctor.

The only advice I can give you is to look at my posts rather than my posting behaviour and see if I actively helped the mafia or did anything in the least suspicous.

Heh, at least this fingerpointing in my direction will give me a bigger chance to survive the night.

[ULC]

*Looks around a bit, then sighs* Why are you continually reposting evidence from several pages ago that has been clearly stated? Do you need to convince yourselves to lynch me? Why? Go with the logical choice! If it is me, then it is me! If I am town, then I can still help, probably more so! If I am mafia, you have won the game (well, if they can no longer convert)!

In any case, I'll keep mulling over my thoughts and will present them when they can actually be taken seriously. Just an FYI, I am the ships comm officer.

[Mithrandir]

Great job town.

Next time I give my word, take it.

[White_eyes:D]

Great job town.

Next time I give my word, take it.

Hey, it was mostly Reenks fault:sweatdrop:

[White_eyes:D]

I found the evidence that should get YLC lynched:whip:

His quote from earlier.....
Just an FYI, I am the ships comm officer. but Townies don't get PMs, so you should not have a role.....(I was totally confused by that when I started but then saw CR's post about townies not getting pms and only pro-town roles getting them or Mafias....)

[Askthepizzaguy]

What if he has a pro-town role, White_eyes? Wouldn't that mean he got a role pm?

[pevergreen]

First decent thing ATPG has said.

I do not believe YLC should be lynched next.

[White_eyes:D]

First decent thing ATPG has said.

I do not believe YLC should be lynched next.

WHY WOULD Pizza Guy defend a pro-town when he WAS and is still team MAFIA??
pevergreen have you lost it??:dizzy2: Plus, what kind of role would a comm officer have? *thinks for a few seconds* NONE or being Brainwashed....

[pevergreen]

What is the objective of the mafia? To get rid of the town. They do this by killing.

What does the mafia do after they are dead, and have admitted it? They create confusion. Go read through past games and see what dead mafia have done to confuse the town. Why would ATPG defend YLC? To create confusion. Is he defending a scum buddy? Is he trying to make it look like he is? I'm pretty sure its the latter.

Who says the roles have to make sense? I was a canabalistic rune carver in one game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Perfectly logical reasoning, pevergreen. :smash:

[ULC]

Perfectly logical reasoning, pevergreen. :smash:

Perfectly good timing of you, now stop being a :daisy:, Pizzaguy, or I won't tip you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I resent being called a daisy. I'm telling the moderators.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The crew members went to sleep somberly that night. It seemed as though they were close to finally ridding The Prometheus of the scourge of the fanatics. But there were not many of them left, and failure would be catastrophic for all of humanity.

In the third barracks quadrant, one individual slept fitfully. Finally he sat upright and felt the urgent need to relive himself. He shook off his covers and dropped from his bunk to the floor.

As he landed, tried to avoid waking the other crewmembers sleeping in the room. Then he carefully made his way out of the room, narrowly avoiding smacking his foot on a bed leg.

As he made his way to the bathroom, his pace grew faster. The corridor lights were dimmed. As he pushed open the bathroom door, he caught his toe on the lip of the doorway and fell forward.

As Ichigo put his hands out to brace his fall, he saw a metal pipe swing over his head. He turned after he hit the floor to see a dark figure grunting as the pipe hit the doorframe, where Ichigo would have been had he not fallen, with a resounding thud and vibrated.

The figure grunted and turned to Ichigo, then raised the pipe and advanced as Ichigo scrambled away. Ichigo got up and looked around; there was no place to run in the bathroom, and the figure was rapidly advancing in the darkened room. Frantic, he saw a glint of light off the floor in front of the figure; a spot of water?

He could only hope; Ichigo dashed forward and feinted to his right. The figure matched his movement and began to swing, but then his boot slipped on the water and he fell.

Ichigo then dashed around the figure and to the doorway. He shot a quick glance back and saw the shadowy figure already getting up and coming towards him. His heart was pounding, and he knew his problems weren’t over yet. He took a deep breath and began running back to the barracks rooms. He picked up speed and dashed as closed as he dared to the walls, taking corners at dangerous speeds and nearly losing control several times. He could hear running footsteps behind him, gaining on him.

Ichigo was breathing heavily now, barely able to maintain his speed. It took all of his mental and physical effort to keep the pace up. Just a little farther, he thought, still hearing the footsteps behind him, the footsteps still gaining ground.

Finally he made the last turn, glancing off the wall and running forward, door of the barracks room in sight. As he sped down the hallway, he could no longer hear the footsteps behind him. Only as he reached the door did he dare to turn around. There was nobody behind him. He kept looking for a moment, and then collapsed, panting.
*********************************************
The Captain gathered the crew that morning, emotionless. The effort to find the attacker after Ichigo had raised the alarm had been fruitless.

“The killers still lurk among us, but one of us, or rather, we, got lucky tonight and survived. Continue what you have been doing and find the killer among us,” commanded the Captain.

The crewmembers began to talk among themselves.

Alive (7)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Alexander The Pretty Good


Killed (6)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (9)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Huh, I wonder how that happened...

I'll vote when I see some more arguments or RR's results (if it's still possible or whatever).

[Sigurd]

Yes, though I posted otherwise, my real suspects this past round were Mithrandir and Peasant Phill. How stupid do you think the Reenkmaistro is divulging his exact plans in public? :laugh4: Just keeping you on your toes Mafia, a battle of wits is a bad deal for you. :laugh4:

Alright Reenkster, I know your style. Who did you really investigate this night at what was the result? :smartass2:

And I would really like to hear more about this comm.officer role YLC claims to have. What can you do? :stare:

[Sigurd]

I want to hear from the dead and alive.
The only restriction we have is "no communication by the dead outside this thread, no screen shots and no chatlogs".

Any other players with roles? The setup with a mafia able to convert, would be unfair if no pro-town roles were provided.

We have:
the Agent: seireikhaan - converts
a Disciple: Pizzaguy - kills
a Disciple: ?? - kills
the Deputy: Reenk Roink - investigates
the comm officer: YLC - ??

The remaining players:
Ichigo - probably innocent due to last night's attack

YLC - claims innocence with pro town role.

Seamus - unclear. Was investigated by RR but could have been converted later.

Reenk Roink - claims deputy. Most likely true.

twilightblade - on a cruise, but not WoGed yet... why??

Peasant Phill - mentions being the Janitor twice, but later no reference - converted?
He defends seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2065199&postcount=432) at one point in the game asking why people are voting for him.

Alexander The Pretty Good - voted out both Pizzaguy and seireikhaan.

[pevergreen]

FYI, Twilightblade's group has returned today, expect a post tomorrow, as they are apparently all tired.

[Reenk Roink]

It seems the dynamic of this game has really changed. First in CR's writeups and my investigations, the kills happened after the meetings before the crew went back to their cabins. Then my investigation of Peasant Phill showed me that I could not enter people's rooms, clearly a nerfing of my role for whatever reason. Now this rounds writeup shows an unsuccessful Mafia kill in a communal barracks room.

This may mean that the Mafia abilities have been nerfed like myself. I was never a big believer in the later conversions, but lets look at the results. The Mafia have killed 6 times. They had only 5 nighttime kill attempts available (1 failed just now) and 2 kills occured when a Mafia was lynched. Very low kill rate if you ask me...

Off tangent to Sigurd: I can't believe you caught that pevergreen reference. That was wholly unintentional and subconscious, I had to read it again to realize I had made a pretty strong indirect claim there. Once again you were the one to find these types of posts... must be why you are the best. :bow: Although I still don't realize why you didn't notice me as the hobo with my blatant posts in Gotta have more Mafia, must be because we were all noobs then. :laugh4:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm not sure*, but TB may have to vote in this day phase (which may or may not coincide with the real day in Australia) to survive (and not be thrown out the airlock).

*I haven't checked right now.

CR

[White_eyes:D]

I think YLC is the final Mafia *ducks to avoid tables and chairs being thrown* I mean he NOW claims to have a role, which then Pizza Guy comes outta nowhere and defends YLC. I ask you, why would he defend him now? I had TONS of posts before this, why jump on something I just noticed? and YLC is being VERY silent on the matter*Scum alert* but it is up to you...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ichigo and Reenk need to exchange thoughts and PMs. All others are potentially tainted (I haven't been converted, but can offer no definitive proof.

5 Remain: YLC, Me, Phil, Blade, AtPG.

Of those:

YLC has squirmed a bit, but as Sigurd notes, it would seem he has a role, but good/bad is not certain at present.

Phil is a classic semi-lurker and touchy when voted for.

AtPG?

'blade?

[White_eyes:D]

Ichigo and Reenk need to exchange thoughts and PMs. All others are potentially tainted (I haven't been converted, but can offer no definitive proof.

5 Remain: YLC, Me, Phil, Blade, AtPG.

Of those:

YLC has squirmed a bit, but as Sigurd notes, it would seem he has a role, but good/bad is not certain at present.

Phil is a classic semi-lurker and touchy when voted for.

AtPG?

'blade?

I would say bad....as he has no proof that he IS good. He can't claim that he saved Ichigo, he can't claim he has been investigating anyone really(he only voted for Khann once but then toke it back right away)....Plus was Khann not a comm officer or something like that?:inquisitive: Makes my, he converted two guys at the start more realistic,since they worked in the same department....:yes:

[ULC]

White_Eyes, I suggest you discuss with Sigurd the details of what and who I am, since I sent my role pm to him. I can't specifically help the town, like Reenk has, but if I do open my mouth, then my ability is wasted...plus, CR won't let me quote him.

EDIT: I have actually made it repeatedly clear what my ability is, and it ATPG is aware of it to a degree (I got hotheaded and leaked some information)

[White_eyes:D]

White_Eyes, I suggest you discuss with Sigurd the details of what and who I am, since I sent my role pm to him. I can't specifically help the town, like Reenk has, but if I do open my mouth, then my ability is wasted...plus, CR won't let me quote him.

EDIT: I have actually made it repeatedly clear what my ability is, and it ATPG is aware of it to a degree (I got hotheaded and leaked some information)

:laugh4: and I think that it was fake and edited what was sent.....since your ABILITY has very much failed to save, warn, or even help town in any way....your just trying some last minute bullflop to keep yourself safe:whip:. You don't want to be lynched for this round as you have noticed your kill rate has gone down...but on the flip side Reenk can't confirm or deny your Pro-town status since he lost his ability to reveal and you want to seem too valuable to the town to lynch since your Towns only hope:saint:.

[Crazed Rabbit]

White_Eyes, I suggest you discuss with Sigurd the details of what and who I am, since I sent my role pm to him. I can't specifically help the town, like Reenk has, but if I do open my mouth, then my ability is wasted...plus, CR won't let me quote him.

EDIT: I have actually made it repeatedly clear what my ability is, and it ATPG is aware of it to a degree (I got hotheaded and leaked some information)

You can quote me.

CR

[Reenk Roink]

White_Eyes, I suggest you discuss with Sigurd the details of what and who I am, since I sent my role pm to him. I can't specifically help the town, like Reenk has, but if I do open my mouth, then my ability is wasted...plus, CR won't let me quote him.

EDIT: I have actually made it repeatedly clear what my ability is, and it ATPG is aware of it to a degree (I got hotheaded and leaked some information)

Now this intrigues me. I have been slightly suspicious of you but placed you lower in scale to others. The argument by Chaotix27 gave some good reasons why, but then again, I admit that White_eyes:D hounding and ramblings make your guilt seem less plausible.

But what is the role? When did you send it to Sigurd (he was lynched very early and it is against the rules to communicate through PM with him after his lynch and it seems unlikely that you would confide in him in the first 3 rounds)? Why not tell us now? And why would CR not let you quote him? This is what he says on the first post:


Quoting posts and PMs (even mine) is allowed.

That is suspicious, then again, given what has happened so far, it's not unlikely that CR changed the dynamics in your case too. Plus my gut tells me you are a good guy for whatever reason.

You are an enigma to me. :shrug:

EDIT: Ok, spill the beans.

[Chaotix]

:laugh4:

I figured white_eyes' insane rantings on YLC were actually making everyone less suspicious of him, so that's why I made my post to show that there actually was some sense behind his words. I still think YLC is the best lynch, right now.

We can probably rule out twilightblade as mafia for the reason that he hasn't been here- so unless CR was randomly assigning his kills, which he should tell us if he would do something like that- he couldn't have killed anyone.

[Sigurd]

But what is the role? When did you send it to Sigurd (he was lynched very early and it is against the rules to communicate through PM with him after his lynch and it seems unlikely that you would confide in him in the first 3 rounds)? Why not tell us now? And why would CR not let you quote him? This is what he says on the first post:


No rules were broken. CR stated no communication by the dead outside the game thread.
I have of course not communicated with YLC other that quoting the rules when he sent me a pm. :mellow:

Again I feel Peasant Phil is the most likely suspect this round should I be naive enough to believe YLC and his role description.
Alexander helped lynch both Pizzaguy and seireikhaan so I put him in the innocent box. Which leaves Seamus, Twilight and Phil.
Seamus was investigated and Twilight got a WoG warning. PP shoud be our lynch candidate this round.
If it turns out bad, there is still time to rethink the possibilities and lynch the last treehugger.

[White_eyes:D]

Now this intrigues me. I have been slightly suspicious of you but placed you lower in scale to others. The argument by Chaotix27 gave some good reasons why, but then again, I admit that White_eyes:D hounding and ramblings make your guilt seem less plausible.

But what is the role? When did you send it to Sigurd (he was lynched very early and it is against the rules to communicate through PM with him after his lynch and it seems unlikely that you would confide in him in the first 3 rounds)? Why not tell us now? And why would CR not let you quote him? This is what he says on the first post:



That is suspicious, then again, given what has happened so far, it's not unlikely that CR changed the dynamics in your case too. Plus my gut tells me you are a good guy for whatever reason.

You are an enigma to me. :shrug:

EDIT: Ok, spill the beans.

Ok, that sucks........well I guess I could just not bring up anything since it seems I draw more suspicion on others then THE GUY who is GUILTY...and Reenk I really dislike you now....:clown:

Edit:AND I am the one who brought up half of the reasons of YLC's guilt and you didn't even read it, yet you instantly believe Chaotix?
(I was lynched in a game where I was the detective because Chaotix turned half the town against me by giving a fake pm...)

[Reenk Roink]

No rules were broken. CR stated no communication by the dead outside the game thread.
I have of course not communicated with YLC other that quoting the rules when he sent me a pm. :mellow:

Are you a lawyer? ~;p :laugh4:

But I want to see the YLC role PM very badly. Peasant Phill is my #1 but YLC is #1b and with him hiding something vote: YLC.

Pressure tactics attributed to Seamus. :bow:

Also, don't dislike me White_eyes:D, I like you, I just don't like the way you hounded YLC, it seems like me and my List. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

Are you a lawyer? ~;p :laugh4:

But I want to see the YLC role PM very badly. Peasant Phill is my #1 but YLC is #1b and with him hiding something vote: YLC.

Pressure tactics attributed to Seamus. :bow:

Also, don't dislike me White_eyes:D, I like you, I just don't like the way you hounded YLC, it seems like me and my List. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Well come on, You guys are basically saying I am insane and can't be trusted because of it....:juggle2:
but I guess I could go with that saying "don't mistake my insanity for stupidity:clown:"

[ULC]

I am terribly sorry! I falsely believed that I couldn't quote CR, I'm just so used to not being able too :sweatdrop:.

I am only concerned about making my ability useless, that's all. If Reenk wants too, I can send it (forwarded of course) to him, or if the town truly demands it, then I will reveal publicly. of course, I expect White Eyes to strike the drums and round up supporters for another crusade :clown:

Whether the town actually believes my role or not, is up to you guys.

[White_eyes:D]

Whether the town actually believes my role or not, is up to you guys.

You see Reenk, this is the reason I most suspect him(many others but because he reminds me of a certain Pizza Guy)....he sounds similar to Pizza Guy and Khaan with these kind of statements.....and no it's not crazy:sweatdrop: you Reenk seen how Khaan and Pizza Guy had a Certain 'Mafia playing style' when voted for and I think this is YLC's...:smash:

[ULC]

And thus your suggesting that the mafia fall within this specific spectrum within the game of how one acts? or that I am in fact Pizzaguy and Khaan? Which statements make me sound similar, since I don;t see what your talking about. And you know my playing style White_Eyes, and it's not Khaans or Pizzaguys.

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote: YLC

Look, the fact is given the slow kill rates of Mafia, we have some time to really make sure. Let's not condemn YLC or Peasant Phill. I have asked him for his PM.

[Twilightblade]

ummm... hi guys

I'm content to see whether YLC has an actual pm (mostly due to me absence)

[White_eyes:D]

I knew it.....once you all believe the sudden role PM he gives you, he well become an almost unlynchable target.....:sweatdrop:

[ULC]

I knew it.....once you all believe the sudden role PM he gives you, he well become an almost unlynchable target.....:sweatdrop:

*sighs* Reenk hasn't even weighed in on it, please wait before we start up again :wink:.

[Chaotix]

White Eyes, the more ya whine about it, the less people are going to take you seriously. :wizard:

I think all the evidence we have against YLC has been presented, and for the most part, everyone else believes it is plausible, but are still unsure. Im on your side of the argument, but I doubt anything further that you say is going to convince Reenk or the others any more.

:bow:

As for YLC: you will be caught, one way or another... :evil:

[White_eyes:D]

White Eyes, the more ya whine about it, the less people are going to take you seriously. :wizard:

I think all the evidence we have against YLC has been presented, and for the most part, everyone else believes it is plausible, but are still unsure. Im on your side of the argument, but I doubt anything further that you say is going to convince Reenk or the others any more.

:bow:

As for YLC: you will be caught, one way or another... :evil:

True, but if you recall you lynched me in one game(kinda off-topic)BECAUSE I was not active enough in presenting evidence:shame: I will not make the same mistake twice.....and the wizard is useless since I was already killed by Khaan....:skull: anyone have any theories WHY he killed me?(because everyone thinks I am crazy:clown:)

[Reenk Roink]

So I got the PM from YLC.

It's structure is almost identical to mine. It starts with "Greetings" and the second line is "You are the [role]". The third and fourth lines is a elaboration and background and carries the same "most trusted for the job" that mine does. The fifth line explains the role, just like mine. It ends with the typical "Crazed Rabbit" signature.

So right now, we either have a legit PM, and the similarities can be pointed to as strong evidence for it, OR we have a faked PM, and the similarities can be pointed to as strong evidence for it. :rolleyes4:

Then again let us remember that YLC is basically in the same boat with my reveal except for two main things:

1) I exposed the agent when there was no pressure on him at a fairly early stage
2) I did not have a prior set of PM's to base mine on

Those are major differences, but something about him...

There are my reservations on his PM. I have several mainly doing with convenient anachronisms :

-the name 'Communications Officer' really has quite little to do with his 'role' (it's more of a attribute)
-it gives away the dynamic of conversions incredibly early
-it also gives away the fact that the agent had followers, again somewhat early

That being said, I believe YLC for the moment I definitely do not think he is the best lynch yet. Part of the reason for this is that a whole new suspect has jumped in my mind (YLC can confirm). Alexander the Pretty Good tried to be somewhat 'helpful' very recently and was willing to talk to both me and YLC away from you, quite a change from his usual MO.

Peasant Phill spoke of a 'janitor' role. I would think it is fair we see it. My suspicions on him still stand.

Twilightblade has a good alibi, but is it too hard to believe that he could not just send CR a list of what to be done? He's not at AtPG or PP alert level now, but he is there.

Seamus and Ichigo, things to note:

I investigated Ichigo on the very first round, BEFORE the conversions (I got my PM before CR posted the writeup of the breaking machinery which was "necessary").

I investigated Seamus on the thrid round after the machinery writeups ceased.

After both of these investigations, there were still rounds where "nothing happened" although there was no mention of machinery. Could there be conversions here? If so, we would have potentially 4-5 followers (there was even a "nothing happened" round after seireikhaan died so could a follower convert???)

If there are these followers, then two possibilities exist:

1) We are swimming about in them as we have only got two
2) Some followers don't get the struggle death. It seems logical that seireikhaan does, being the original agent, but Askthepizzaguy also got one. (One of) The first (two) follower(s)? The first Mafia lynched? What is the reason behind it?

As for me, I will vote: Alexander the Pretty Good, my main suspect in the sea of suspicion.

[Sigurd]

As I said, ATPG has a good alibi by voting for both Pizzaguy and khaan.
Phil defended khaan which to me speaks of a connection. At the time there was nothing indicating that khaan was innocent contrary to RR, YLC and ATPG this round. Not a single parameter.

If someone would have voted RR in the same round, why would anyone defend him? One thing thing strikes me is communication outside this thread. So Phil might have been in contact with the khaan and believed him to either be innocent or he was in on the treehugging team.

Notice how khaan and Pizzaguy are silent? It could mean we are on the verge of ending this game here.

If this is the case, either YLC (having faked his conversion role from CR), Phil (being put up as suspect no 1 by me) or ATPG (voted both culprits to get an alibi, but still is an suspect by two voters) is our last treehugger.

Also ... The day has passed and only ATPG has been voted.


Tally:
ATPG: 1 (RR)

Not voting: 6 (ATPG, Ichigo, PP, Seamus, Twilight, YLC)

[Chaotix]

How quickly did you make this assumption, Reenk? Or was it YLC's suggestion? If there was an extra mafia right now, it could be anybody, not just AtPG.

Think about it this way: If there are two mafia, then YLC is definitely one of them. If there is only one, (and this is assuming that YLC suggested this idea to you) then YLC probably deceived you in order to get votes off of him and is the mafia. So why bother looking for another one and possibly wasting a lynch?

I'm still unsure as to what exactly is YLC's ability. Additionally, his pm could have been easily faked given the one you posted in the thread.

[Reenk Roink]

To Sigurd: Yes AtPG has the fact that he voted for pizzaguy for him, but let us remember that was an odd voting round with a undefined period. Maybe he was planning to switch votes but never got the opportunity? Voting for khaan I think should not be considered. Nobody could defend him against my reveal.

To Chaotix: I will leave it to YLC to reveal his role. I do not want him to, as it may be of help. The fact is 1) YLC convinces me and 2) if he is innocent, he is more helpful to the town than PP or AtPG.

If there is 1 Mafia left, we do have time to decide between these 3 and more. Just as Ichigo, Seamus, and Twilightblade may also be Mafia, YLC may certainly be one, but he is of secondary concern to AtPG and PP (at least in my opinion).

[Chaotix]

Bah. At least lynch Phill, he's got more going for him than Alexander.

[ULC]

I'll Vote: ATPG for now, for asking for my role PM when I explicitly stated I was sending it to Reenk.

If anything new comes up, I may change my mind.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Peasant Phil

Some good discussion, thus far, with excellent lay outs by Reenk and Sig. White Eyes, you're simply too "amped up" to be persuasive. NO, I don't trust him, but that's true of most of the players at this stage.

Ichigo, you voted Reenk a bit ago but did not explain -- why so?

YLC's tone changed in the last page or so. Reenk's display of confidence has you calmer at last?

[ULC]

YLC's tone changed in the last page or so. Reenk's display of confidence has you calmer at last?

Yep, even if it is tenuous at best. But I was on edge? :inquisitive:...I didn't even notice...

Also, can I ask why no one is demanding a role from Ichigo? He survived a night attack, so either

A)we have a "doctor" on board, and from the right up, it would be a "Janitor", from the puddle and all.
B) Ichigo has a role and was able to survive the night because of it

Because in my opinion, it's to crucial right now to "nerf" the mafia.

It is also my opinion that Khaan was only ever able to recruit two more to his side. They then continued to play it up as if Khaan could continue to recruit as many as possible, to spread undue paranoia, thus we wouldn't even trust our power roles, or each other. An unlimited amount of ability to convert means the mafia need never actually kill anyone, yet they have. It's more efficient to simply convert, so why kill? You've got a helpful member plus voting power one way, and an angry, vengeful [dead]townie willing to come after you, stalking you and becoming overzealously annoying. Occasionally though, the townie has the wrong person, but still stalks them anyway ~;p.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Well, between Phil and me I'm a little biased towards Phil. :sweatdrop: ~;p

And the reason I contacted YLC and Reenk (check your inbox, by the way) was indeed to be helpful, in that limited capacity that a townie has. I asked YLC for a copy of his role PM on the off chance that he slipped up and sent two different messages to me and Reenk. It would be incredibly sloppy on his part, but I figured it was worth a shot. As I explained to him, if I'm mafia, I wouldn't really bother asking for his role PM - either he's mafia and I wouldn't need to trick him, or he's a townie and I'd just stab him. ~;p

It may be too late (lynched by one vote, alas) but I'll

vote: Peasant Phil

Tally is now (if CR forgives our tarry)
ATPG: 2 (RR, YLC)
Peasant Phil: 2 (Seamus, ATPG)

Not voted: Ichigo, PP, Twilight

[Crazed Rabbit]

Voting ended, tallying.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

ATPG: 11 (Reenk, YLC)
Phill: 11 (Seamus, ATPG)

The vote is tied. As in previous rounds, the first person to break this tie by changing their vote or by adding a new vote on will decide the vote. Re-voting for the person you have already voted for will have no effect.

CR

[White_eyes:D]

If there was more then one Mafia why do the write-ups by CR point to otherwise? As you said it yourself the machine is broken....
you gleam that the agent makaikhaan came on board with a mission to brainwash the entire crew. When the necessary equipment malfunctioned and also in the write-up where I got killed and Khaan was making that speech it said this....
For despite all your cunning and the tools of death you employ, your mission will fail! The power of Earth is greater and more glorious than all your metal machinations and it will triumph! I am not the last on this ship that will fight for Gaia and defend her from the insane!” and he smiled at the crowd, a smile of smug victory.

A face in the crowd smiled deeply back at him. Meaning? ONE person since that day, which is why it is so hard for them to get a kill now....only one person...

Edit: and I don't think Ichigo got 'saved' by anyone....as in past write-ups we have seen guys escape one killer but never from two or three...

[ULC]

Point taken White Eyes. Are you suggesting that the mafia kill based on a 1/3 success rate scale? as 33% for one, 66% for two, and 99% for three?

[White_eyes:D]

Point taken White Eyes. Are you suggesting that the mafia kill based on a 1/3 success rate scale? as 33% for one, 6% for two, and 99% for three?

More or less :shrug: but also that only ONE Mafia remains:book:

[seireikhaan]

Wow.

I have never seen so many references to myself in a single thread before. :blush:

Anyways, lets get this lynch done, if you please? Mafia games that stretch on and on are rather annoying and bad for the game.

[Peasant Phill]

vote ATPG, sorry mate life and death situation and all that.

Back to my 'vigorously defending myself'.
- The 'janitor-role' was no role at all. I was merely roleplaying as some others did before me in this thread and as I did in the first mafia games.

- My defence of khaan was no defence at all IMO. There wee three votes for khaan without one single argument for it. I merely made a pressure vote (just like Reenk likes to do) in order to get a debate going. I also specifically mentioned I would change my vote if they had a good reason for voting khaan.

[Sigurd]

Ballsy if Phil were in fact a treehugger. Ichigo could have ended this yesterday.
We want the writeup ... :whip:

[Crazed Rabbit]

ATPG: 111 (Reenk, YLC, Phill)
Phill: 11 (Seamus, ATPG)

It was late in the evening when the crew had finally reached a decision. The Captain had given up waiting and gone back to the bridge to run the ship and read up on the confounding game of chess.

When he heard that another vote had been cast, he hurried back to the meeting room. The security crew members had already secured Alexander the Pretty Good in their grip, who protested his innocence.

The Captain glanced around to check on the room. He was about to proceed with the imprisonment of Alexander the Pretty Good when a figure caught his eye.

The crewmember was sitting on the floor, slumped against the wall. The Captain reviewed the votes; Twilightblade had not voted that day. Nor, for that matter, had he voted in the previous days.

"Before we deal with Alexander, we have to ensure everyone on our ship is helping in this time of crisis. And that means not allowing anyone to slack from their duties and not be punished. Since Twilightblade has not aided us in our hour of need; he must be punished," said the Captain.

The crew all looked at the slumped figure, and two men went over to grab him. As they hauled him to the airlock, he murmured something indistinct, though the Captain caught the word 'vacation'.

After he was placed in the airlock and the inner door sealed, the Captain prepared to open the outer door. With one last look at Twilightblade, who did look rather well rested and fair faced, he sighed and pushed the button. The outer door opened and Twilightblade drifted into space with a surprised look on his face.

That task completed, the security crew set to putting Alexander into a cryo-chamber over his protestations. Once it came time for him to get in, however, he did not resist, though he looked glum.

The day's work completed, the Captain sent the crew back to their barracks with a warning to be vigilant.

Alive (5)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
Peasant Phill


Killed (6)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (2)
KukriKhan
twilightblade

Imprisoned (10)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

https://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f337/viscera76/blarg.jpg

No hard feelings, Phil. Of course, this isn't over, so...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Well, well. We shall (in all likelihood) shortly know if there are two mafiosi -- since two on two is a win for the mafia.

YLC and Phil are those not spoken for thus far.

The others were spoken for, but if conversions exist then not definitively.

Best to get some sleep -- behind carefully sealed bulkhead doors.

[Chaotix]

Hopefully with YLC's ability we should be able to take down the mafia now...

[White_eyes:D]

Hopefully with YLC's ability we should be able to take down the mafia now...

If it is not a lie.....if it is then town is doomed:shrug:

[Mithrandir]

I think it's Ichigo, he voted for RR after RR declared Ichigo innocent.

[White_eyes:D]

I think it's Ichigo, he voted for RR after RR declared Ichigo innocent.

noo.....Ichigo was attacked and almost killed....how could he be the Mafia?:no:

[Yoyoma1910]

I think it's Ichigo, he voted for RR after RR declared Ichigo innocent.

That's true, but there appeared to be a possible conversion the night after RR announced his role.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The crewmembers of The Prometheus went to bed more ill at ease than in previous days. They still had not found the killer.

And in another unlit room, the only thing moving were shadows. There was the only the soft noises of infrequent movement. Finally there was the rustle of paper and movement of shadows. A moment later, the room was empty.

In the morning, the crew yelled in triumph when they found out no one had been killed in the night. But their mood died somewhat when they saw the Captain finally appear in the meeting room.

"We have done well, but I do not think we are finished. There are more on this ship, and we must do whatever it takes to find them," he said.

"Use all the clues you can," he added, "Find the killer, whoever it is."

So the crew began to talk.


Alive (5)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
Peasant Phill

Killed (6)

Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes


Thrown Out the Air-Lock (2)

KukriKhan
twilightblade

Imprisoned (10)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good

[Sigurd]

This is it people... Probably the last chance of getting it right.

If there are more than one treehugger, there can be max two since the game is still running. Since no dead player have claimed any pro-town role yet, we should dare assume RR is the real deal (can't say I haven't doubted his claim with all that butter he has thrown in my direction).

If RR and God forbid YLC are partners in crime and there are players withholding information on roles, I'll blame them for losing the game to the treehuggers. :whip:

A couple of questions bugs me though.

1. Why can't the mafia kill every night (it would be insane to not kill as a strategy)?
2. Why was RR's ability revoked when trying to investigate PPhil?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Peasant Phil

I've had some misgivings regarding you for some time. You responded once. What say you to the recent discussion?

[White_eyes:D]

There is ONLY ONE MAFIA left (Please read CR's write ups more CARFULLY....)
Quote #1 for CR night Khaan was lynched

A face in the crowd smiled deeply back at him.

Quote #2 just last night(don't know but think he was suggesting it)

"Use all the clues you can," he added, "Find the killer, whoever it is."
There is ONLY ONE left.......and if it is not PP then it can only be YLC since I think the Mafia could only recruit two guys. Since he has a "pro-town role" then he should either use it or reveal soon since Seamus would be the next target, and the blame might go on a 'converted' ichigo or Reenk. :smash:

[Reenk Roink]

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So I sent a PM to CR trying to investigate YLC. He read it but has not replied. I will keep you updated if I receive a result PM (I sent this one kind of late, but usually he would have gotten back to me by now).

Some of my thoughts:

I think the most plausible explanation on the issue of conversions is that the conversions took place at the very early stages of the game (first two rounds where reference was made to machinery that later was also made in my seireikhaan PM results).

I'm not prepared to rule out later conversion theories altogether, but the fact is, it seems very implausible that the Mafia outnumber the town now and later conversion theories don't really have an explanation for the writeups. I think CR's writeups have really followed the story well, and there would be a jarring disconnect when trying to connect a later conversion theory to the fact that only 2 Mafia have been exposed and there have been several uneventful write-ups.

Losing Twilightblade was horrible. We have been extremely fortunate to have minimal WoG's so far, but now Ichigo has not posted in awhile. For God's sake people, let's care about the endgame. It is both the most important and interesting part.

The Mafia have had an extremely slow kill rate this game. The kill rate is roughly one kill for every two rounds. Most games have higher than a kill per round (and I'm used to two kills a round which was the norm in most Mafia games I played before). Then again, at least my powers were nerfed from the start, and right now, I'm thinking they have been completely nerfed.

Interesting tidbit: there have been zero kills since khaan was exposed three rounds ago. One attempt took place in round 10 on Ichigo.

If this pattern of one kill per two rounds holds up (it was faster at the start but the recent run has slowed it a lot), then we have at least two more rounds to snuff out the Mafia.

My suspect list in order of lynch-worthiness:

1) Peasant Phill - Had it not been for AtPG's suspicious and distracting move, I would have had him at first for last round (Note: I am sorry for getting jumpy at your PM AtPG, but it was kinda a very poorly thought decision to send PM's to both me and YLC; I really thought you were trying to play us; let all townies play more smartly at not add more suspicion by doing things in secret).

Reasons for his guilt: Semi-lurking style notoriously great cover for Mafia, made up a role called 'janitor' (which he later disregarded as roleplaying), seems to want to live quite a bit and is quite defensive for a lurker, defended khaan earlier on and was the only one not to vote for khaan when he was exposed.

Reasons for his innocent: He keeps the same style in every game.

2) YLC

Reasons for his guilt: Voting record correlates pretty highly with pizzaguy and khaan, has some problems (outlined earlier) with his role reveal, also quite defensive.

Reasons for his innocence: His actual role seems plausible for this game, something about his demeanor says innocent to me.

3) Ichigo

Reasons for his guilt: For some reason he has disappeared for some time (completely unlike Ichigo and this is a radical behavior change), he was innocent BEFORE the conversions.

Reasons for his innocence: At least at one point in the game was innocent definitively, a kill attempt was made on him.

4) Seamus Fermanagh

Reasons for his guilt: I think he would be the most likely guy to completely obfuscate things and screw the town brilliantly.

Reasons for his innocence: Confirmed innocent AFTER the conversions (according to conservative conversion theory).

I think that there is a fair amount of probability that either PP or YLC are guilty. For Ichigo or Seamus to be guilty, a couple of ad hoc theories must be accepted, and I'm not sold on them yet.

Either YLC or PP is a good choice for a lynch this round.

Vote: Peasant Phill

[White_eyes:D]

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Was this meant for me?:dizzy2:

Anyway, Reenk your gonna lose this one as you really are pained to even think YLC is Mafia let alone lynch him.:shrug:

If PP is not Mafia, then after tonight we may lose or only have 2 townies left.....:sweatdrop:


Edit: Mafia gets kill tonight if past data has been right....:lam:

[ULC]

I wish I was I was as analytical as Reenk right now, but I am not. I hope your investigation clears me, and we can nail the mafia. Yes, indeed, I wish Ichi were here now, we need him more then ever, I've seen several late games hang on just basic particpation, and the mafia wins because the town is not active, even if they have the mafia right were they want them.

Vote: Peasant Phil

I agree with Reenk, and I would have voted you last round had AtPG not set my mafia sense off when he asked for my role.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really wish you all would stop resisting. It's not too late for you to receive the wisdom of our glorious leader.

Don't you understand? This community is at its strongest when it is calm, at peace, and passive. You are more careful not to overlook small details, and your reasoning ability is also strengthened. Such is the path towards enlightenment; if only you would lay down your arms and remain at peace, no harm would come to you, and you would be receptive to the wisdom I am trying to share.

The more you resist the truth, the more closed-minded and hostile you become. Since capturing our leader you have done nothing productive. It is because you are overconfident, and because you are blind to reality. The more you struggle, the more so-called innocents among you will be dragged into the freezer.

Just try my suggestion. Sit around and do nothing, and you will emerge with the knowledge and wisdom you seek.

[Peasant Phill]

Vote Reenk

Apparantly, wanting to live is enough to condem me, as every explenation I gave is still disregarded.

Anyway, I better start making my testament.

[Chaotix]

Hmm... retaliation vote, huh.

At this point, I'm not gonna take a guess at who's mafia, as I'm pretty confused myself. But, I will mentione this:

Every time CR has mentioned some sort of paper or pamplet or article in his write-up, it has meant that a mafia has been converted. In the early game, there were two of these, and after we killed khaan it was said in the write-up that only one mafia was left. Now, there is another write-up mentioning a "rustling of papers"- these are more of the pro-treehugger documents used by the mafia to convert. I believe there are now two mafia among the living. My guess would be either Phill or YLC is one, but the new one could be anyone. Including Reenk and Ichigo.

My suggestion is: go for the first mafia this lynch; if you manage to get him, then forget about all the other evidence from before today, chances are it's irrelevant. If you don't get him, and the mafia kill during the night, then... well, we lose.

[White_eyes:D]

Hmm... retaliation vote, huh.

At this point, I'm not gonna take a guess at who's mafia, as I'm pretty confused myself. But, I will mentione this:

Every time CR has mentioned some sort of paper or pamplet or article in his write-up, it has meant that a mafia has been converted. In the early game, there were two of these, and after we killed khaan it was said in the write-up that only one mafia was left. Now, there is another write-up mentioning a "rustling of papers"- these are more of the pro-treehugger documents used by the mafia to convert. I believe there are now two mafia among the living. My guess would be either Phill or YLC is one, but the new one could be anyone. Including Reenk and Ichigo.

My suggestion is: go for the first mafia this lynch; if you manage to get him, then forget about all the other evidence from before today, chances are it's irrelevant. If you don't get him, and the mafia kill during the night, then... well, we lose.

yeah, but I don't think so.....I think its part of some sort of 'cool down' for the Mafias kill ability:book:
each time they need some sort of 'inspiration to kill'....maybe writing a book helps? but still I think it is YLC if PP is not Mafia, as YLC's ability has yet to pan out and help town in any way......:thumbsdown:

[Yoyoma1910]

Hmm... retaliation vote, huh.

At this point, I'm not gonna take a guess at who's mafia, as I'm pretty confused myself. But, I will mentione this:

Every time CR has mentioned some sort of paper or pamplet or article in his write-up, it has meant that a mafia has been converted. In the early game, there were two of these, and after we killed khaan it was said in the write-up that only one mafia was left. Now, there is another write-up mentioning a "rustling of papers"- these are more of the pro-treehugger documents used by the mafia to convert. I believe there are now two mafia among the living. My guess would be either Phill or YLC is one, but the new one could be anyone. Including Reenk and Ichigo.

My suggestion is: go for the first mafia this lynch; if you manage to get him, then forget about all the other evidence from before today, chances are it's irrelevant. If you don't get him, and the mafia kill during the night, then... well, we lose.

Well I don't know.

My original theory was that this was a game with one mafia(GF), who had to recruit to extra mafias (goons).

PizzaGuy then tried to discourge this by saying it was more a recruiting cult. I think he did that to throw things off. Why do I think that?


Before any murders occured, we found two books. Since then, we've found none. Sure, there are papers rustling every other night, but what if that's because the mafia can only kill every other night?

Or maybe this line says something:

Fortunately for us, it appears that this enforcer of tyranny does not have great knowledge of mechanics. But he needs only succeed once to destroy all that we - and all that humanity - have so desperately struggled for."

Maybe the mafia is also trying to destroy the ship, and has to come to a better understanding of how it runs?

[White_eyes:D]

Maybe the mafia is also trying to destroy the ship, and has to come to a better understanding of how it runs? THE COMM OFFICER.....we are screwed if it is not PP....:wall::wall::wall:

[Yoyoma1910]

Sorry I had what I believed to be a semi eureka moment, and lost my sense of decency. I was killed fair and square, and shouldn't really be talking

[ULC]

You do realize I would have to know how the ship runs to be it's Comm Officer, correct?

At Yoyoma - Very interesting theory, one that I proposed eons back in fact and which was quickly buried.

[Yoyoma1910]

I'm dead, and shouldn't be talking. Sorry, it was very impolite of me.

[White_eyes:D]

You do realize I would have to know how the ship runs to be it's Comm Officer, correct?

At Yoyoma - Very interesting theory, one that I proposed eons back in fact and which was quickly buried.

Well I guess you won, your not trying very hard to claim innocence with your 'ability'......:sweatdrop:
and of course a Comm officer would be easily able to sabotage the ship. HE IS the comm officer.....you know the GUY in CHARGE OF ALL COMMUTATIONS in case the ship is stranded or needs help?

[Yoyoma1910]

Gone out of respect

[White_eyes:D]

DAMN IT I knew it, this WHOLE time it was YLC......damn you Reenk why did you not listen? now even Yoyoma just gave reasons why YLC should have been lynched long ago.....I mean what will it take? half of the now dead and lynched town to convince you?:shame:
Yoyoma why didn't you say something sooner? now we are screwed.....:skull:

[Yoyoma1910]

Best of luck to both sides.

[Chaotix]

Just a random question...

To those of you who have played a good number of mafia games with YLC before: How does he usually fare in-game? Is he a very good and efficient player, or has he made numerous mistakes in past games that generally lead to him getting killed, or something to that effect?

I don't mean any offense toward YLC by this question, but if those of you who have played enough with YLC to know post your answers, it could help a lot.

[ULC]

Hang, wait what? How did this come about? What the heck Yoyoma? I am so lost now...

[White_eyes:D]

Yoyoma edited out what he said but I think it was because he had some pretty solid evidence that YLC is the Mafia but didn't want to kill it. (Yoyoma's like that:juggle2: but I am not:clown:)

Profile of YLC so far: he has always been annoyed when the Mafias are about to be lynched by a close tie when there is no proof present to the Mafias we lynched. Seems to have a lot of back up plans.....like the Pro-town role he came up with has and is very clever as shown how he avoided lynching so far....due to Reenk's "I have a gut feeling he is innocent:shrug:" don't know how that will hold up if PP is not the guy.....

[ULC]

No actually Yoyoma PMed me. With his permission, I'd like to show it. And Yoyoma, your opinion is very valid, please, don't edit your posts, always present your thoughts and ideas to help the town. If you can still remember any of it, please post it again.

[Yoyoma1910]

Yoyoma edited out what he said but I think it was because he had some pretty solid evidence that YLC is the Mafia but didn't want to kill it. He got PMed by YLC no doubt, complaining he could be lynched at any moment and didn't want it to end that way (Yoyoma's like that:juggle2: but I am not:clown:)

Nobody PMed me.

And I have no evidence, only theories. I removed them of my own accord. There is ample reason to suspect anyone.

I just felt that since I am dead, I should remain as such. If someone else wants to go back and read through the posts in this thread, they are free to, and may come to similar theories.

[Yoyoma1910]

No actually Yoyoma PMed me. With his permission, I'd like to show it. And Yoyoma, your opinion is very valid, please, don't edit your posts, always present your thoughts and ideas to help the town. If you can still remember any of it, please post it again.


Feel free to quote my PM.

[White_eyes:D]

Nobody PMed me.

And I have no evidence, only theories. I removed them of my own accord. There is ample reason to suspect anyone.

I just felt that since I am dead, I should remain as such. If someone else wants to go back and read through the posts in this thread, there are free to, and may come to similar theories.

If the dead can post as long as it's not a reveal or something....and if you want there can be no discussion and the game could be boring.....:juggle2: I have fun making YLC's Mafia role hard easy:clown:

[Peasant Phill]

unvote: reenk, vote YLC

Maybe I'm able to save my hide after all.
And I damn well know i'm not the mafia, so ...

[White_eyes:D]

unvote: reenk, vote YLC

Maybe I'm able to save my hide after all.
And I damn well know i'm not the mafia, so ...

no I don't think so, Yoyoma removed his posts......and everyone thinks I am after YLC for no real reason and that you are the Mafia which; maybe you are but......:shrug:

[Yoyoma1910]

Fine then:



First I looked at this situation. Now the flaw with my logic in this act, is that it was before the second book was discovered. So, at that point I cannot be sure there were three mafia. In fact I don't think there were. However, if YLC were number 2, then he might have been trying to save the chosen third maf. Or maybe just Khaan...

?I don't know?


Actually, lets make this a three way tie, just for laughs.

unvote: pizza vote: makaikhaan

Tally:

Pizzaguy- 3
makaikhaan- 3
Rythmic- 3

Abstain- 3
Andres- 1
Peasant Phill- 1
pevergreen- 1
Sigurd - 1
Seamus - 1


Unvote: Sigurd, Vote: Rythmic

Wonderful reasoning there. To much depth and a three way tie that wastes only more time, and lives? No.


In b4 the close.

vote:makaikhaan

Sorry, Buddy. But your posts stink of maff. If you're not, I apologize. :bow:

Re: pizzaguy: if a maff would go to the lengths this guy has gone to camouflage his true role, we have a new, excellent player/liar. I'd leave him alone for awhile.


There is a tie!
Between Makaikhaan and Rythmic!

Makaikhaan:4 (Chaotix, White eyes, Rythmic, Kukri)
Rythmic: 4 (Aries, Reenk, YLC, Pizzaguy)

Pizzaguy: 3 (pevergreen, yoyoma, Andres)
Reenk Roink:0 ()
pevergreen: 1 (shlin)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Sigurd)
Andres:1(makai)
Sigurd: 0 ()

Seamus: 1 (Ichigo)
Abstain:3 (Seamus, Peasant Phill, AtPG)

In accordance with the long established rules, those two are the only possible lynch choices for today - and whoever breaks the tie will decide who is to be lynched!

CR




I really don't know who it is.


It could be YLC. I started thinking along that line after the Pizza/Chaotix tie. Both he and Khaan kept urging me to vote Chaotix. Of course, I couldn't make the connection at that time, because Khaan hadn't actually been caught.

He also then voted for me, literally, first thing after the end of that night, even though I had chosen not to save Pizza. When I confronted him about it, he voted Khaan, which could have been to try and distance their relation. Later that turn he switched his vote again.

But then the Chaotix mix up occurred, which distracted everything. I had lost that train of thought. The next solid suspicion I had was Khaan, and after I voted for him I was offed. So I started to focus on other things, such as RL.



Anyway, there also several hints that point to PP, the Janitor. The pipe, the puddle on the bathroom floor, this phrase from when I was offed:


Perhaps now you will appreciate its evil before I cleanse this universe of another parasite

[ULC]

Sorry. I shouldn't have done that. Whether or not you are guilty, only you know.

But I am dead, and even though dead are allowed to discuss in the thread, in many ways I don't believe it's very classy. I was killed fair and square.

However, I got caught up in a train of thought, and started talking.

Anyway, I went and edited out all the posts where I specifically mention you or PP.


Please accept my apology.


The PM that Yoyoma sent me.

I am glad you brought that up Yoyoma, it is an interesting point and should be taken into consideration. That was a well thought out examination of those rounds, and I wish I had half that ability, since I was utterly unaware I had done that.

[Mithrandir]

If the maffia can still convert, it'd explain why there was an attack on ichigo and not on RR...

[White_eyes:D]

If the maffia can still convert, it'd explain why there was an attack on ichigo and not on RR...

He was attacked because if you remember Reenk never mentioned his name in the list of suspects, he was only after the 'confrimed innocent' so this way everyone would suspect each other...and its working since all the guys on Reenks list are lynched but no Mafia still.....:sweatdrop:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Phill: 111 (Reenk, YLC, Seamus)
YLC: 1 (Phill)

After a rather long day, the crew had decided whom to imprison. One crewmember, Peasant Phill, had been chosen somewhat by consensus. He protested his innocence as he was led to the cryo-chamber, but to no avail.

The Captain kept a sharp eye on him the whole time, but he did not resist being put into the cryo-chamber.

When it was over, he turned to the crew, a grim look upon his face.

"The killer is still here, in this room, among you four," he turned to pace the room.

"We have made so little progress these last few days. It seems like we are on the wrong path and cannot get off of it. We are stuck, flailing wildly in the dark, and our actions come to nothing, and the killer conspires to keep us there. And he is succeeding!"

He stopped and stood for some time. Then he dismissed the crew and warned them to be vigilant during the night. As they left, he went quickly to the bridge.

Alive (4)

Ichigo
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink


Killed (6)

Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes


Thrown Out the Air-Lock (2)

KukriKhan
twilightblade

Imprisoned (11)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good
Peasant Phill

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Oh poopy.

[White_eyes:D]

Well town is screwed unless it gets more active.....and "I told you so":yes:

Edit: well Seamus might be next, since he seems to be the only active townie left....

[KukriKhan]

*a last muffled cry from space is heard*

"Go Town!"











Sorry for my absence. My notebook died and I just today got my replacement hooked up. Curses to Alienware and their hotbox laptops. :wall:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I say we throw the captain out an airlock to be on the safe side.

:clown:

[Beefy187]

How about we all get off the ship somewhere and we take our own way from there :yes:

[Reenk Roink]

:wall:

Either YLC has done a great job of continuing to survive suspicion, or less likely Ichigo chose an opportune time to lurk and avoid attention.

Seamus, forgive me for expecting more than "Oh poop" from you. :inquisitive:

Will post more tommorow, the Reenkholmes has a feeling he is being played...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Not much to say until we see who's still alive.

Ichigo was attacked and survived -- implying innocence (confirmed by your research)

Seamus was never attacked and was investigated (innocent), but could have been turned subsequently. As an aside, I'm a no-role townie, not that I have any proof aside from what Reenk has provided.

YLC has communicated to Reenk privately and passed the "sniff" test -- but you have reported to specific investigation results on him.


Playing the odds (my assessment):


1. YLC is sole surviving mafia, playing against the detective pretty well so far, but two votes gives a narrow town win in the morning. (80%)

2. Reenk is mafia, pulling one of the best spoofs done since GH/Myrrdral. (15%)

3. Reenk is mafia, pulling a great spoof AND has recruited/protected Ichigo including a faked attack -- in which case its "game over, man." (5%)

[ULC]

*sighs* Would you people just get it over with and lynch me? Because tomorrow I am voting Reenk, since I am wondering at the continued convenience of his survival, despite being the detective, even despite "losing" his abilities. And that will get me ganged up on, so just be done with it already and stop pointing fingers at me, when I am far more suspicious of you Reenk, and even you Seamus. Mafia wins this game, hands down. The town did good, but now it's faltered, and will lose.

[White_eyes:D]

*sighs* Would you people just get it over with and lynch me? Because tomorrow I am voting Reenk, since I am wondering at the continued convenience of his survival, despite being the detective, even despite "losing" his abilities. And that will get me ganged up on, so just be done with it already and stop pointing fingers at me, when I am far more suspicious of you Reenk, and even you Seamus. Mafia wins this game, hands down. The town did good, but now it's faltered, and will lose.

Faltered? you guys helped lynch 75% of the town when I warned you guys.....in about 50 posts how it was YLC, I mean how he came up with the pro-town role out of no where makes no sense and trying to help the Mafias survive twice in the past? No need for a brain surgeon on this one.....but town still might be screwed if Ichigo is not active soon....:sweatdrop:

[Csargo]

bwhaha

[Peasant Phill]

I told you so. Oh and kill YLC for me will you.

[ULC]

It's not me, but go ahead and vote me anyway, the town can't win at this point.

[Chaotix]

Bah. YLC had us all fooled at one point or another, but now the joke is up. Unless you've managed to recruit another townie, there is no way you will survive to kill another day. I will be posting some of the pms he sent me, where I unfornunately even took his words to be possible.


Keep this to yourself, otherwise things will fall apart faster then I could handle.

I do have a role, but I changed a few parts of it out of paranoia as was my "ability". I am the protown propaganda person on board, and I was given a role PM, a flexible one for whatever situation I needed. This gave me a bit of info about the mafia I decided to withhold, because I was unsure of it, but I realize that was a mistake. I knew form the beginning the mafia may have had cult like abilities, but I didn't want to send the town into a mad witch hunt with a bunch of "White_Eyes" running around.

I have just now revealed my role, in hopes that I will become the lightning rod for the mafia, instead of Reenk. I'm hoping that either the mysteriousness of my role, or the nature of it's forging, will help the town, instead of getting me hanged. Of course, you can't trust me one bit, lynch me if need be, I'm only trying to shield Reenk for as long as I can.

But this NEEDS to be believable. If you can trust another enough, inform them, if you have a way of leaking it without damaging it, do so. If Reenk can figure it out but still act as if nothing's changed, the better. I want to be the mafia's next target, not Reenk. I'm sorry if my play has lead everyone down the path of being convinced I am mafia. If that's the course it must take, then so be it, I screwed up and will remember better in the future...

(Next PM)

Maybe I am being overzealous, but are we sure Reenk can no longer investigate? And how come the mafia haven't targeted him at all? It either means Reenk can and is withholding, or it means the mafia themselves know better, and truly know Reenk is worthless, before it was even publicly revealed or the night phase had begun, so they would pick Ichigo. Also, no one is questioning the fact Ichigo survived an attack, which reeks not of nerfing the mafia, but of Ichigo having a role.

The main reason I haven't revealed to Reenk yet is because I became suspicious of ATPG asking me for my role PM. So I sent him a fake one, and then realized that Reenk might ask ATPG about his, or vice versa, so I sent the exact same one to Reenk, instead of my real one. I'm hoping that this means the mafia have no idea what to do with me, and as an unknown quantity, I'll get targeted. Either way, I got tangled up in my own paranoia, and will probably pay for it.

(Next PM)

Maybe I should stop playing mafia games . My willingness for elaborate schemes only makes things worse, and I am a poor townie. ONce I am lynched, I'll think I'll fade away.

(Next PM)

Thanks, but I've manged to screw up in every mafia game i have been in . I don;t have a good track record at all.


:wall:

[ULC]

:laugh4:

I can only laugh as the town continues to blunder. If you actually think I am mafia, then lynch me, I honestly don't care. You have all convinced yourselves I am guilty, when I know myself to not be, but I am one man, and you are many.

[Reenk Roink]

YLC, the reason I had believed you so before this round is because your demeanor was that of a true good guy.

Despite the fact that many were against you, and some evidence had been posted against you, I advocated personally for you. Of course I still held you as a suspect then, but I hold everyone like that.

Things have changed drastically this round. Now you have that apathetic shtick going along with taunts to the town on how dumb they are and how they can't win. :inquisitive: Definitely a change, and not exactly good guy behavior…

Why??? Why now to act like this? Why play the victim? Even in my initial post, there was no real indictment of you. I wasn’t sure who I was going to vote for at all. Now that Ichigo pops up just to say “Bwhaha” (most likely just Ichigoness [a mild form of Reenkness] but still…) the field opens more.

Rather than what you claim that “everyone is already conviced of your guilt” or something along those lines, I certainly wasn’t. Seamus also while strongly suspicious of you, wasn’t exactly gunning for your death either. God knows what Ichigo is thinking (or doing… :inquisitive:). But now, I think you are doing a bang up job of doing the convincing for us.

If you are guilty and panicing, well enough for the town, but what scares me is if you are innocent and just acting as yet another cover for the Mafia. If Ichigo or Seamus are Mafia and pull this off they are brilliant, but they also had a lot of help (that shouldn’t have been).

Finally, why have you been PM’ing dead people, specifically, lynched people (and not killed townies)? It’s against the rules.

[ULC]

I am allowed too, just as I pm'ed Sigurd, so long as they do not PM me back :bow:

Of course, Chaotix27 quickly pmed me back :juggle2:

Look, I know my tone has changed, and maybe White Eyes has finally gotten to me, but everyone right now is equal suspect except me. I honestly expect to get lynched, as my use as a shield has run dry. I am also not in the best of moods.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I am allowed too,

No. Please cease this immediately.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

It was the early hours of morning on The Prometheus, but one crewmember was not asleep. Instead he was sitting upright in his bed, eyes fixed on the barracks door as he had been doing all night.

Ichigo was taking no chances. He had eaten and drank only what he had prepared, and moved around in groups. Most of the time he had spent in his room over the past two dayss. But because of all the crewmembers who had either died or been imprisoned, he was alone in this barracks room.

The minutes ticked by very slowly, but Ichigo kept alert. He was not going to fall asleep. Finally, early in the morning, he thought he heard footsteps outside the door. The sound was faint, but he could make it out – and something more. He readied himself to attack anyone who entered – surely that must be the killer lurking outside! For ten more seconds he heard the soft sounds of movement outside the door. And then, nothing. He waited, motionless for several minutes. He strained to hear anything.

And then he heard it. The very soft hiss of air coming from the doorway. He stared at the door, straining to see anything out of the ordinary in the dim light. Seeing nothing, he silently inched his way forward on his bed, until he saw it at last; a thin tube snaking just barely past the bottom of the door.

He stopped breathing; was the air poisoned? He could smell nothing strange, but that thought did not comfort him? Was it only a matter of minutes until he was dead? He still held his breath, but his lungs were straining. Reluctantly he breathed again.

He decided then that he would have to fight his way out. He took a final deep breath and walked as quickly and silently as he could to the door. Right as he prepared to open it, the door slew open, hitting him in the head. He fell backwards as a figure appeared in the doorway, holding a pipe. The shadowy figure look surprised at the sight of Ichigo falling back, clutching his head. But he paused for only a moment before raising the pipe and advancing.

Ichigo fell with a thud and looked up to see the pipe coming down. As the figure walked out, he switched off the air pump, wondering why it had not made Ichigo fall asleep. He did not know he had neglected to actually hook the pump up to a source of poison, because the Agent who taught him did not know.

In the morning, the Captain stared at the faces of the three crew members left. One of them, he knew, was the killer. There had to be some way to find who it was. There must be some slip of tongue or action that could lead them on the right path, some direction to their actions. But he could not find it himself, though he pored over the records and logs.

“Men, there are only three left and one of you is the killer, the lapdog of tyrants. The two of you who are still fighting for our mission must seek the other out. This will be the last day we imprison someone, for if we fail, we fail earth. And if we succeed, we will gain the victory.

“Utilize, then, every resource you can. Talk and try to deduce who the killer is,” instructed the Captain.

“I fear the tide is against us, a relentless force that threatens to destroy all that we have worked for. But I believe we can still gain victory.”

So the three men left looked at each other and began to determine the fate of The Prometheus.



Alive (3)

YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink


Killed (7)

Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes
Ichigo

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (2)

KukriKhan
twilightblade

Imprisoned (11)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good
Peasant Phill

[ULC]

Alright guys, I'll try to be better about this whole thing. Let me start off by saying that Reenk, you've played a wonderful hand, and I never had the support I needed to lynch you. I've suspected you the night you weren't killed, since it boggled the mind how the last mafia would be so incompetent as to let you live. The answer is simple, you are the last mafia.

Vote:Reenk Roink

[Askthepizzaguy]

Perhaps the captain could just imprison all the remaining crew members... :wink:

[White_eyes:D]

Alright guys, I'll try to be better about this whole thing. Let me start off by saying that Reenk, you've played a wonderful hand, and I never had the support I needed to lynch you. I've suspected you the night you weren't killed, since it boggled the mind how the last mafia would be so incompetent as to let you live. The answer is simple, you are the last mafia.

Vote:Reenk Roink

If it is Reenk, then he has whooped us all SO badly......but I still think it is you no matter what(good job getting this far though:yes:)

edit: you also killed Ichigo to help with putting suspicion on Reenk since he was one of the only ones still sort of confirmed innocent...


since it boggled the mind how the last mafia would be so incompetentI brought up this fact up A LONG time ago but I only think that you want people to think your not that stupid, when you are very smart really:book:

[Chaotix]

Please don't forget to vote, Seamus and Reenk. I mean, if YLC has the only vote, then Reenk dies unchallenged. Then we lose.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If one of them forgets to vote, can I be the tie-breaker? :laugh2:

[Yoyoma1910]

Phone call for the Pizza Guy.




:lam::clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shush, you're dead. I'm merely imprisoned.

[ULC]

If it is Reenk, then he has whooped us all SO badly......but I still think it is you no matter what(good job getting this far though:yes:)

edit: you also killed Ichigo to help with putting suspicion on Reenk since he was one of the only ones still sort of confirmed innocent...

I brought up this fact up A LONG time ago but I only think that you want people to think your not that stupid, when you are very smart really:book:

Enough of the WIFOM White Eyes, I've had it up to here with your slander. I've gotten this far not because I am mafia, but because I was convenient. I am alive because it suited the mafia to not kill of me, to continue to let me live so that suspicion would always weigh down upon me! Attention and focus would shift to me, not the real culprit, who would slide neatly underneath the radar.

Reenk fist that description perfectly. How come I was never lynched, even after obvious and considerably damning evidence! How come always, there was someone else who had less evidence yet was higher on his list! Just a vibe he has?! For an excellent player, Reenk sure uses base methods.

But I am not here to convince the dead, I am not here to convince anyone, I am here to present my case, as clearly and concisely as a I can. I honestly don't care what happens to the town now, they were fools before, lynching Chaotix based on Reenk's own poor testimony that the mafia may have set it all up between the two, picking the lesser of two evils. How many times have we lynched people on HIS advice, not mine! He has directed the lynching, he has moved the game as he pleases, and I have been a convenience, a safeguard, nothing more.

Seamus, lynch Reenk, for the love of Pete, lynch him. I've been an unwilling puppet each and every time, and to lose this game to the mafia would be a shame.

And White Eyes, when if and when I die, I will laugh personally, at you, and never let it down, how wrong all of you were about me, especially you. Your my target from now on White Eyes, and I will crusade every game to kill you by my hands.

[Chaotix]

Somebody's not in a good mood, I see...

:creep:

[Reenk Roink]

And yet another behavior change by YLC. This time boderline hysterical. :laugh4: It does it give away though, but I suppose you could only stay passive until it mattered...

As to your theories, I unlike you, will respond them (mine must be harder to refute). Do you know what I think YLC? I think you left me alive on purpose. This is what I refered to as being played. As for me dictating the vote, you were the one to suggest to me to vote for AtPG correct? Your argument against my allegedly leaving you alive can easily be turned on you also.

Your biggest flaw in the push attempt?

You "don't care what happens to the town" and yet you have campaigned so hard that I am guilty, going as far as to beg Seamus. :beam:

Vote: YLC

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

And the cryo chambers got extra quiet as all waited for Seamus.

~;)

[Csargo]

It's YLC

[pevergreen]

Heh. My vote would still be on Seamus.

But we will see what happens.

[ULC]

*Shrugs* I'll get the last laugh regardless in this, so vote either way.

[White_eyes:D]

*Shrugs* I'll get the last laugh regardless in this, so vote either way.

You can tell your breaking down.....:beam:

[ULC]

Lynch me, mafia wins, I am proven innocent even though the game is lost and you get to feel sorry White Eyes.

Lynch Reenk, town wins, I am proven innocent and right, you get to feel sorry White Eyes.

Wow, I win either way :beam:

[Chaotix]

He's snapped! He's gone completely insane! Do we have an asylum on board?

:clown:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: YLC

After reviewing a large # of posts, I will side with the Reenkster. If RR's our final eco-murderer, then I will be stunned at the "queen's gambit" they pulled -- for CR's writeup made it clear that khaan was tree-hugger #1 and Reenk shot him down more or less solo after he'd been hammered at unsuccessfully for so long. Not impossible, but given the numbers at that juncture I just don't think it would have been done. Plus, Reenk's investigating me on Night #3 and THEN using me as mafia bait by dangling my name out for targeting was classic detective behavior. Unless Reenk is some kind of SK/Detective, I just have the sense that he's the one to back here.

Furthermore, YLC, you revealed your PM stuff ONLY to Reenk -- as though he was the only one to be convinced -- even after CR had specifically re-asserted that quoting same would be permissable. Reenk's assessment was that it was impossible to confirm its veracity. So why did you not try to convince others and respond to Reenk's reveal with one of your own? "The mafia would then target me" is not much excuse pal -- they're planning to do it anyway and its a RARE townie role that is THAT indespensible.

If I have been fooled, then so be it, it will have been masterfully done. But my gut and my evaluation of post content says YLC is the last eco-maf.

[ULC]

Crazed Rabbit, please end the day now. I have no need to try and convince the remaining players whether I am right or wrong, so there will be no need for further deliberation. I am happy with any outcome at this point.

[Thermal]

Crazed Rabbit, please end the day now. I have no need to try and convince the remaining players whether I am right or wrong, so there will be no need for further deliberation. I am happy with any outcome at this point.

wht if the outcome means you will be killed and crazed rabbit lied about your role throughout :tongue2:

[ULC]

Unlikely, borderline impossible. And if I am a mafia, without knowledge, then I am happy the town won. What else do you want out of me?

[Thermal]

Unlikely, borderline impossible. And if I am a mafia, without knowledge, then I am happy the town won. What else do you want out of me?

ummmm, lets see, your mobile number, address, house, computer, i also want your name, and passport

[Sigurd]

*Gets out the popcorn and takes a front seat*

It could be either of the remaining players. Good choice with the last kill, you last of the treehuggers.
Why not make your role public for all to see YLC, it couldn't matter now?

Or have you made several versions of it? Chatorix's PMs indicate this. In which case it makes you that much guiltier.
Perfect timing on sending me that pm though, I was planning on getting all those who voted me out Reenkster style and you would have been next. :rolleyes:

[ULC]

Actually, my role was rather weird, since I got it by asking CR if I could RP the ships A.I. CR had an unfinished role, and he gave it to me, saying take it or leave it. I did, and had some fun with it, even if the role itself was utterly ineffectual. I had to be creative with it, was all, and it was fairly easy enough.



May I ask that, in the interests of roleplaying, that I be represented as the ships computer? Obviously, this will change nothing, but I thought it might add in some flavor to the game. I'd also love to have a role in my own death or conversion, if it's okay.

I actually drew up some background stories but didn't get enough done for everyone. But I'm giving them out to anyone in the game who asks.

While you can claim to be the computer, I won't pay attention to that. That's because it really wouldn't make sense to lynch a computer, and would throw the whole game off kilter. I do have one role that may be similar;


You had to go to a special reeducation school when you were eight years old because you drew a picture of a knight riding a horse, like in the old stories your great aunt told you. This, of course, demonstrated a pathological hatred and contempt for animals and required ten intensive years of reeducation and toil in the state propaganda-shipping center before you were eligible for parole.
You serve in the communication room on The Prometheus, after starting an underground newspaper before the revolt.

So you'd serve in the communication room, and could pretend to use the PA system. This would have no real effect on the game, but I'd include it in my write ups if you chose to have this role. Note that you can't reject this role and get another from me. This is a take it or leave it thing.

CR


But CA kinda gave away a crucial part of the game when he handed it off to me, and I showed him the roles I created with it, indicating that the fake role that it would actually work, meaning that the ability, even though I clearly did not have, worked for me, in that a test against it would mean it would hold water. To me, this meant the mafia had limited recruitment abilities, and the only person who had any form of role from the beginning and who kept spouting out that the mafia could continue to recruit when they clearly could not, meant that it was Reenk in my eyes.


Not bad. Of course, only the comm officer role will have any effect, but I'll remember what you said in the event of your imprisonment.

CR



Just so you know, it is okay if you quote the PMs I sent you in the actual game thread.

CR

I know now :luagh4:

I actually created my own working role with what you gave me, I became the "protown propaganda" guy. I can now forge whatever type of PM I wish, and made myself immune to being converted, :luagh4:.

I just hope I don't kill myself this way. Still, I've done enough damage, so when I am lynched, can you portray me as stark raving mad as the tree huggers, but in a "your one of them way?".

Oh, the roles I "made" :bow:

Greetings

You are the Communications Officer

You serve in the communication room on The Prometheus, after starting an underground newspaper before the revolt. Your skill with propaganda and understanding of it stems into your childhood, but it also makes you perfect for your job.

You had to go to a special re-education school when you were eight years old because you drew a picture of a knight riding a horse, like in the old stories your great aunt told you. This, of course, demonstrated a pathological hatred and contempt for animals and required ten intensive years of reeducation and toil in the state propaganda-shipping center before you were eligible for parole.

Because of this, you carry a burning hatred for the environmental agent and any of his followers, and cannot be converted.

Crazed Rabbit

AND (My "real" role)

Greetings

You are the Quartermaster

You serve as the ships overseer, keeping spirits high with your rhetoric, after starting an underground newspaper before the revolt. Your skill with propaganda and understanding of it stems into your childhood, but it also makes you perfect for your job.

You had to go to a special re-education school when you were eight years old because you drew a picture of a knight riding a horse, like in the old stories your great aunt told you. This, of course, demonstrated a pathological hatred and contempt for animals and required ten intensive years of reeducation and toil in the state propaganda-shipping center before you were eligible for parole.

Because of this, you carry a burning hatred for the environmental agent and any of his followers, and cannot be converted. Also, every other night, you may select one astronaut to protect from the environmental agents insidious propaganda.

Crazed Rabbit


Hehe, what do you think?


None of that matters now, I have already recieved a PM from CR himself asking me -
What would you like to say/do as you're lynched? Please keep it within reason. :beam:

CR

Hmmm, nice job town, you intentionally lost the game ~;p

EDIT - And these PM's are quoted perfectly, nothing Omitted or Added, and CR can confirm this :bow:

[ULC]

-Oops, Double Post!-

[Sigurd]

I don't know, but YLC's PMs seems legit...

However, CR's role desciption can be interpreted either way. Either you became anti-treehugger or the 10 year indoctrination payed off and you became a brainwashed treehugger.

I always have doubts when it comes to the Reeinkmaster. I believe he does have the cojones to pull the stunt he did being a treehugger. It would be the perfect bluff which we are forced to believe.
Three mafia and no detective or any other roles seems unlikely.

Since no other player has come forward or disputed Reenk's role claim we are forced to believe he is genuine and at this point the last treehugger is either Seamus or YLC.

[ULC]

Sigurd, your thinking about it wrong, Reenk can in fact be the last mafia and have a genuine role. I am sure the mafia could convert, but only 2 people. Reenk could have been the Detective originally, but was converted either the first or second night, most likely the very first night. He could then continue to function as a detective and mafia. It would explain why he lived even though he should have died, why his ability suddenly "fizzled". I don't think CR would just nerf both the mafia and the detective for no reason.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Voting is over.

Writeup to come.

CR

[ULC]

Hmmm..I wonder what it will be like :evilgrin:

Time for the town to feel guilty, bwahahaha

[Reenk Roink]

YLC why are you so evil?

[Crazed Rabbit]

The day began with a series of speeches by YLC. He spoke more eloquently than he had yet, accusing Reenk Roink of being the last killer among the crew. Had he been in front of a crowd, the speeches might well have been called stirring, but there were only three men alone in a room. The words echoed off the walls, making YLC seem isolated, a man alone practicing a speech.

After he finished, he glared at Reenk Roink. But Reenk merely laughed and proceeded to casually dismiss all that YLC had said. And so the decision was at an impasse, and the final decision came to Seamus Fermanagh, as they had all known it would.

Earlier he had reviewed the ships logs and even now was looking at some notes. In his mind he weighed the probabilities and went with the one he deemed most likely, voting for YLC.

Hearing that, YLC became dejected and gave up his arguments. He retired to the side of the room, occasionally muttering. As the Captain walked in, he deduced that YLC had been chosen.

He turned to face YLC and told Reenk and Seamus to help him put YLC in the cryo-chamber. Together, the three formed a line facing YLC. Seeing this, YLC stood up straighter and shifted his feet.

“It is not me! Reenk is the one! Has he controlled all your minds? Why are you doing this? Am I the only one left on this ship who is not a lover of the old tyranny?” demanded YLC, yelling and beginning to sweat. He looked at the three men approaching him nervously, his eyes shifting rapidly between them.

“Don’t fight it, YLC, it’s over,” said the Captain. The three men continued to cautiously make their way to YLC. He was shifting his weight, turning rapidly to face each of his opponents.

Finally the three were but a step away from YLC, and Reenk and Seamus reached out and grabbed his arms. YLC tried to pull his arms away, but the grip was firm and he gave up quickly. Then the men holding YLC shifted position to begin to lead him to the cryo-chamber.

Seeing the cryo-chamber in front of him, YLC again began talking, “Guys, it’s not me, you’ve got the wrong man. I’ve been framed, set up by the killers, like a puppet. Can’t you see? Can’t you see this? Why can’t you guys see? Why are you blind?”

With each word he was closer to the cryo-chamber. He did not walk calmly along, but tried to stop from being pulled forward. It was a futile effort. The men holding him were determined, though nervous beyond belief.

Soon half the distance had been crossed, and YLC continued to talk, “This is a mistake! I love this ship, I love our mission! I’ve cared for this ship, I’ve shed my blood and sweat for it! How can you be doing this to me?!”

They were almost to the cryo-chamber now. The lid was open. YLC began to put more effort into stopping his forward movement.

All of his earlier eloquence was gone, his words had become slurred together, “It’s not me!” he screamed, “I’m not the killer! It’s Reenk! Reenk’s the killer, and he’s framed me! He’s playing you all! Why can’t you see that?” YLC’s face was red, and he began to actively fight being thrown into the cryo-chamber. The huddle of men was only a few feet from the chamber, and the men holding YLC tightened their grips and began using all the force they could to push YLC in.

They had managed to pin his upper body in the chamber when YLC gave one last primal roar and surged out of the chamber. He tore loose his arm from Seamus and brought it to bear on Reenk, trying to strangle him. Reenk temporarily slacked his own grip on YLC’s other arm, which YLC took advantage of to begin to strangle Reenk with both hands. Reenk gasped for breath, struggling to tear YLC’s hands from his throat.

The Captain and Seamus both flung themselves on YLC, wrestling him into the chamber and helping to pry his hands off Reenk. But YLC was not through; he began kicking out even as his upper body was stuffed into the chamber. Finally, though, Reenk, Seamus, and the Captain had securely shut the lid over YLC.

His body was contorted under the lid and they could still see him yelling. The three men left on The Prometheus each panted for breath after the struggle. Seamus was bent over trying to regain his breath as Reenk held his throat and the Captain backed a few paces back.

For a moment, no one spoke. The ship was filled with an odd silence, leaving each man to his thoughts. Had they succeeded? Had they finally vanquished the tyrannical threat?

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to be continued very shortly...

[ULC]

Hehehehe...

[Crazed Rabbit]

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After a few more moments, the panting ceased and the men stood straighter.

“Let us pray,” said the Captain, “That he was the last of the killers lurking on our ship. I would not have guessed that the communications officer would be one to support the oppressive tyranny.”

“Ironic that a machine gave us this victory,” said Reenk.

The Captain nodded, “Isn’t it? In the next few days I can see if we can release the innocent men we have imprisoned here, but I think that will take a great deal of time, if overriding the locks is even possible.”
Seamus looked out at the rows of cryo-chambers containing his fellow crewmembers.

“No, you misunderstand me,” said Reenk, “it is not your victory.”

With a roar, he reached for Seamus, grabbing his head and then bringing it violently down on the cryo-chamber containing YLC. Seamus could do nothing to stop the sudden onslaught, and the blow broke his nose and dazed him. As blood flowed from his nose and onto the cryo-chamber he slumped to the floor, groaning.

“NOOOO!” screamed the Captain, his face contorting in rage and fear, as he launched himself at Reenk. His hatred boiled over inside him as he now, finally, saw the last of the killers in front of him. Reenk was more than a mere killer to him; he was the embodiment of the enslavement of mankind, a dark force of tyrannical oppression. But Reenk turned confidently to face the onrushing Captain.

He set his feet and dodged, throwing the Captain into a cryo-chamber. The Captain yelled again, scrambling to get up. But Reenk was too quick, and he stomped on the Captain’s head, banging it against the floor. With that, the Captain’s yells died and he grunted in pain as his scrambling stopped.

Reenk kicked over the dazed Captain, a cruel smile on his face.

“You’re too late,” the Captain whispered, smiling, as blood ran down his face, “I’ve already set and locked in our course to earth. There’s no way to change it, especially for a mechanical moron like yourself.”

Reenk’s confidence did not waver. He simply smiled more and said, “Oh, I believe I’ll have plenty of time to change the course of this plagueship, even if I must read of your hateful machines to do it.”

The smile left the Captain’s face. He had failed. Humanity had entrusted him with this mission and he had failed. He was almost grateful as he saw Reenk’s boot slam down towards his face.

Reenk then finished off Seamus and looked out at the bloodied cryo-chamber room. His face beamed as he surveyed his new domain. Now, he was in control.

MAFIA VICTORY

Alive (1)

Reenk Roink

Killed (8)

Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma
White Eyes
Ichigo
Seamus

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (2)

KukriKhan
twilightblade

Imprisoned (11)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777
makaikhaan
Mithrandir
Alexander The Pretty Good
Peasant Phill
YLC

Mafia Team:
The Agent: seireikhaan
Convert, Night One: Askthepizzaguy
Convert, Night One: Reenk Roink
Convert, Night Two: Kukrikhan

[seireikhaan]

:mellow:

Great job guys. Special congrats to Reenk for an amazing job of going solo.

Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/biRCibam9rb) link.

However, there's gaps here and there from PM'ing. More details later.

Edit: I'm losing my manners, clearly.

Thanks for hosting a great, if slightly quirky, game, CR! It was, as always, a pleasure to be the underminer of town good. :mellow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm glad the game was enjoyed.

And initial observations;
Sigurd believing Reenk straight-up after his own mafia game surprised me.

No one besides Reenk spotted the line in my write-up that would have ended him.
A prize to whoever finds it first! (The title of "Quickest to shut the barn door after the horse has left")

CR

[ULC]

No one listens to YLC, no one believes YLC, YLC must be wrong, YLC is mafia, YLC is trying to trick us or behave dishonestly, lets lynch YLC (next time actually do it), oh :daisy: YLC WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME!

Hmmm...how do you feel White Eyes? Chaotix? Sigurd? Seamus? Hmmm...:evilgrin:

[seireikhaan]

No one besides Reenk spotted the line in my write-up that would have ended him.
A prize to whoever finds it first! (The title of "Quickest to shut the barn door after the horse has left")

CR
If I show it, do I get the prize? :beam:

[White_eyes:D]

No one listens to YLC, no one believes YLC, YLC must be wrong, YLC is mafia, YLC is trying to trick us or behave dishonestly, lets lynch YLC (next time actually do it), oh :daisy: YLC WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME!

Hmmm...how do you feel White Eyes? Chaotix? Sigurd? Seamus? Hmmm...:evilgrin:

YLC you still helped the Mafia by trying VERY hard to survive in the end you can only blame yourself for helping Reenk by
1# giving him your role pm
2# accusing him LAST round when everyone is almost dead.....
3# and not going with PP when he voted Reenk(I mean if you knew, why not when it was 2v2?)

In the end this statement made by me pretty much said it all post 560#.....

what if Reenk is the Main Mafia?*shudders*

To which it made my mind go "oh :daisy:" and I guess it was clear he was.....:wall:

But :balloon2::balloon2:GOOD JOB:balloon2::balloon2:Reenk you kicked some town butt with those BIG brass ones, lynching your own agents like that:2thumbsup:

[Beefy187]

Great story and great writeup. Thank you for hosting CR! :2thumbsup:

Congratulations to the mafia, especially to Reenk.... Have a baloon :balloon2:

[ULC]

*shakes head at White Eyes* And what, have everyone immediately turn on me? If I voted Reenk, Phil would have changed his vote to me, and possibly Seamus, and most definitely Reenk. It would have been suicide, and the outcome would have been the same as it is now. No, I was waiting for the opportune moment, with the fewest people to convince. I know I screwed up by looking guilty, but I play as I go, I don't plot every move I make, and it was you who did not help the town White Eyes, but constantly putting pressure on me. If you thought it was Reenk too, then why not voice it? But you didn't, and made it a special quest to come after me instead. I even hinted at it being Reenk subtly as much as I could without suddenly becoming the lynch target, but I didn't do it well enough.

Also, the WHOLE ROLE thing was a falsity I contrived, to see what would happen. There was no harm in sharing it, since Reenk could do nothing about it, and even knew better.

I also did not try very hard to survive, in fact, I was kept alive by Reenk, otherwise who else could we just barely suspect? Reenk, for his continued survival and convenient loss of ability.

The simple fact is I miscalulated my play, and how gullible, or and how effective all others were. Reenk was masterful to some, but blindingly obvious to me. I am sorry I failed the town, but no one would believe half of what I say, or trust me at all, even though I knew not soon after, along with Yoyoma (who truly and firmly planted that seed in my mind), that the mafia could not recruit continuously, yet me, and especially Yoyoma, were ignored.

So I shut up, and waited until the opportune time. I miscalculated. Maybe I should have shared my thoughts with dead members, but I feared more contact then necessary, stupidly though, and I realize now Sigurd would have been more tactful to remove me from such thoughts, but then again, why should he have believed me? Reenk was able to play the fine line enough to make me look bad, but just not bad enough.

How, and which write up Crazed Rabbit? The one before last?

[seireikhaan]

Now now, fellas. No need to point fingers at who's fault it all was. It was all good and fun, but lets remember that it is indeed just a game.


Plus, you all got spanked equally bad. :smartass2:

[ULC]

I'm still going to hound White Eyes in every game until he cries Uncle :evilgrin:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Defeated yet again. I only win when I'm deaded.

Masterfully played by the "baddies." The gambit was, ultimately, what took me in. YLC, how you saw through that I do not know.

Anything less than the reveal-lynch of the badguy leader would have led me to switch my vote to Reenk at the end -- and I was sorely tempted to do so -- but went with the odds.

[ULC]

I thought it was obvious! He made a fit about not being mafia on day 2, he revealed yet was never killed, I was never pressured into any real argument by him, he never actually lynched me yet always suspected me "just enough", and he lost his investigation ability all of a sudden, when nerfing is very unheard of in mafia games midplay. So it had to be him, but I knew no one would believe me at all, so I had to try with the fewest alive players that Reenk could turn against me.

[pevergreen]

The "loss" of ability during midgame was a point, but think about it. If you have a detective claiming you to be mafia, you would leave him alive, if you killed him you just confirm what he is saying, as though while he is alive, he could be guilty.
Queens Gambit, with lynching a team mate, if I understand correctly.

[Reenk Roink]

Some post game thoughts:

:stupido:

A big thank you to Crazed Rabbit for hosting a wonderful game. One of the few games where the Mafia themselves were kept in the dark (I personally didn't understand the game mechanics fully until around Askthepizzaguy's lynch and Crazed Rabbit kept changing the dynamic a bit, keeping both the town an us on our toes). There were many times where I was frustrated and worried about our lack of power to do anything. Not many games can give a feeling of uncertainty to both sides :beam:

:stupido:

A big thank you to all those people who said nice things about me, but this win should really be attributed to seireikhaan. While I was planting 'clues' about being a detective early on (only Seamus Fermanagh and Sigurd Fafnesbane really caught on but that was well enough), the plan for me to reveal seireikhaan was the great 'khaan's genius. I was somewhat skeptical given on how long I would have to survive and explain my survival, but the sheer timing of it did away with much of that.

Askthepizzaguy also pulled one of the most brilliant (if illegal ~;p) moves I have seen in Mafia getting Chaotix27 to essentially lynch himself. Again, I had tried to get a counter bandwagon going on him to save seireikhaan, but Askthepizzaguy's manipulation was the reason that became successful.

Also, we pulled off a close win, but let's remember we were without KukriKhan. Had he not had computer problems, we would have, to put it somewhat bluntly though realistically, wiped the floor with the town. :yes: My teammates were superb and I was just along for the ride. :2thumbsup:

:stupido:

I thought the detective reveal went very well (well... just look at the results :beam:). Again, the critical decisions were made by seireikhaan who 1) told me to expose himself and 2) suggested that I only get one investigation every two days.

The latter decision especially turned out to be critical, as I did not name a large base of "innocent" which would have hurt and it fit in so neatly with the game mechanics (the Mafia were essentially killing at a half kill per round rate the entire game, obviously lower at the ends and higher at the middle). YLC seems to have thought that mechanic suspicious from the start, but frankly, that was the aspect of my reveal that I thought was most solid and convincing. I had very cogent arguments ready to support it had I needed to.

Obviously, the former decision by seireikhaan worked out wonders. Because the reveal was so early and not forced at all, it seemed almost impossible to the town that the Mafia would take the risk to fake reveal. There always seemed to be that sentiment of "Oh, if Reenk Roink is lying we can just lynch him later" that persisted and the town got comfortable. Although YLC seemed to be immediately suspicious of my living, even calling it a "...base method..." and suggesting it should have been obvious to the town, but I don't agree with that assessment at all. The fact is, Mafia have allowed detective's to live in the past before. I know I did in Ichigo's Rise of the Mob for a long time. I had many arguments ready (and I alluded to it many times before) of my continued survival, which were based on the fact that a living detective does become very suspicious at the end, and it would be a high risk but also very high reward thing to leave him alive to soak suspicion in the endgame. I believe this argument to be very plausible (it would be quite convincing to me had I been a townie) and especially given the fact that

Losing ability to do investigations may have been a great boost to the risky but very potentially rewarding letting the detective live by getting rid of the risk. Firstly, the Mafia was indeed nerfed. When we were four we could kill every round. When we lost Askthepizza guy, it went down to two kills every three rounds. When only I remained I had one kill every two rounds and the fact that my success rate was not 100% (but over 50%). I believe there were very good reasons to believe the mechanics of my 'role'.

:stupido:

I spent a lot of time making potential arguments and devising stratagems, but many did not play out. Now, I cannot reveal them to you (I want to be able to use them in later games :grin2:), but what surprised me is how little I had to do in the last round. YLC, who was already becoming erratic the round before, just became so damn suspicious in the endgame. No offense but you made a ton of mistakes that round, whereas you could have really killed me had you stayed more reasoned and kept a constant demeanor. I also will echo that had you had suspicions of me early, it would have been wise to bring them to public earlier on, as I would then have been pressed and had to offer defenses. I ended up only being pressed once, by you in the last round, and the way you did it allowed me to remain laid back and seem so much more innocent in contrast to you.

You had the right idea YLC, but your tactics (the secretive and illegal messages, the lying about roles, and the end of game behavior) left a ton of suspicion on you. I think you would have gotten the town to victory had you played it right. There was just a ton of time to do so...

Also, where did I make that fit in round two? :inquisitive:

:stupido:

One thing I am shocked at is that nobody saw the potentially fatal oversight I made. My lesson of "always trust in the stupidity of the Mafia" holds true, especially for mistake prone me. :laugh4: Still nobody has found it, hell if you look carefully, I tell you where I did it! :laugh4:

:stupido:


I am very proud of being a small part of this Mafia victory. Obviously most credit belongs to seireikhaan and Askthepizzaguy but we really pulled of something special here. We lasted 11 rounds (most Mafia don't last 6 in similarly sized games) and we only got two Wrath of God's. Definitely has to rank among the greatest victories ever. :balloon2:

:stupido:

Lastly, I would just like to say that what happens in an individual Mafia game should stay in it. We shouldn't bring too much background, just the basic analysis of behavior (which really isn't a great tool I think). This is a reminder to YLC and White_eyes:D to ~:grouphug: :flowers: ~:pat: and to the rest of you not to lynch me instantly of the next games. :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

I'm still going to hound White Eyes in every game until he cries Uncle :evilgrin:

I now know why Khann killed me earlier......because I had voiced(if you check my posts I suspected almost every Mafia) and seemed to be more dangerous then YLC...:shame:

But the reason why I thought it was Reenk back then, after I died I think....was HE WAS CRAZY Enough to pull it off and would be "town hero" therefore unlynchable but also he had never seemed suspicious enough to lynch(hell he even played pro-town role how I did but better, Sigurd even was calling him the 'towns savior'...:shame:)

But you YLC had loads of evidence against you, the votes for the townies, the secret role and even joining in with Reenk on many lynchs by his side:shrug:

You just need to face facts.....we got wiped out by much better Mafia players.....that's it:wall:

[boudica]

wow! congratulations mafia!
I have only lurked my way through the last couple of lynchings and have yet to play a mafia game myself, but have thoroughly enjoyed reading up on your recent shenanigans and - though still a little fuzzy about how this all actually works :D - really look forward to playing in a game with you guys soon.
B

[Andres]

Congrats mafia :bow:

What a way to come back, Reenk :bow:

Thnx for hosting, CR :bow:

And from now on, my credo in mafia games will be : when in doubt, lynch 'khaan :grin:

[seireikhaan]

Congrats mafia :bow:

What a way to come back, Reenk :bow:

Thnx for hosting, CR :bow:

And from now on, my credo in mafia games will be : when in doubt, lynch 'khaan :grin:
:thinking:

Jots note to self...

When in doubt, kill Andres... :devilish:

[Thermal]

GG!

[seireikhaan]

wow! congratulations mafia!
I have only lurked my way through the last couple of lynchings and have yet to play a mafia game myself, but have thoroughly enjoyed reading up on your recent shenanigans and - though still a little fuzzy about how this all actually works :D - really look forward to playing in a game with you guys soon.
B
One thing to note- these sorts of Shenanigans are usually considered unusual in most mafia games. I'm afraid if you expect a performance like this every time, you'll be disappointed. Not that mafia isn't insanely addictive fun when it doesn't happen, however.



Ok, folks, here's a basic rundown of all my important PM's between myself and CR/Reenk/Pizzaguy. Note there will be some slight omissions where some chat and email addresses were. I think it would be rather rude for me to hand those out.


First, of course, The Role PM(of which I based Reenk's role PM):

You are the Fanatic/The Agent.

It is your duty to stop The Prometheus from returning to earth at whatever cost necessary.

Your plans to cause mechanical failure have come to naught.

But you have more tools. You smuggled some highly effective Department of Environment Defense tools on board. They allow you to have control over the minds of people you use it on, at great cost of the target's intelligence and higher brain functions. In short, it is an effective device for quickly and brutally brainwashing a person.

You can use it twice in one night, and the targets will join your faction and assume your goal of stopping The Prometheus. If you are incapacitated, your followers will continue.

You will win when the number of your followers and you is equal to or greater than the number of untainted crew.

OOC: I won't be able to answer PMs for 7+ hours, but you have about ~24 hours to send in who you want to target tonight.

CR



Initial responses from Pizzaguy and Reenker after their conversions:


Greetings. The Agent has chosen you to be his diciples. You are now on The Agent's side, and your goal is to stop The Prometheus.

The Agent is makaikhaan.

Crazed Rabbit

Good! It's about time I got to be a badass bad guy!

I could definitley get down with being a wacky enviro-freak. Makaikhaan and Reenk Roink, do you guys mind if I play the part of a supertownie?

Basically I will be trying my best to investigate and be all town-like, really out there. I will do what I did in previous games and not care about being lynched, because there are 3 of us.

I want to establish my pro-town strategy. Would you guys prefer I kept quiet? it's out of character for me to do so.




Greetings. The Agent has chosen you to be his diciples. You are now on The Agent's side, and your goal is to stop The Prometheus.

The Agent is makaikhaan.

Crazed Rabbit

Good! It's about time I got to be a badass bad guy!

I could definitley get down with being a wacky enviro-freak. Makaikhaan and Reenk Roink, do you guys mind if I play the part of a supertownie?

Basically I will be trying my best to investigate and be all town-like, really out there. I will do what I did in previous games and not care about being lynched, because there are 3 of us.

I want to establish my pro-town strategy. Would you guys prefer I kept quiet? it's out of character for me to do so.

Hello.

1) makaikhaan: Thanks for choosing me sir. :bow:

2) Askthepizzaguy: How do you know that I was also chosen to be a disciple? My PM said nothing about you, only makaikhaan. This is very suspicious. (If this is legit, which it probably is, sorry, but people have tried to play me MANY times, and I am paranoid so :inquisitive:) To your question I suggest staying as you are. Do you usually get lynched for being so vocal though? If so, maybe tweak it a bit.

3) I have to warn you that I bring a lot of baggage when playing these games. Essentially, people will want to vote for me for things I did in the past, and because I will never be able to conform to a certain behavior pattern. Hopefully the new faces won't know about this.

Just remember that in that way I may be a source of trouble for you, but then again, I'd gladly take the attention away from you gentlemen so you can carry out our plans. :shakehands:

I am going to continue to do a shallow roleplay (my lawyer, asking for an agent, that kind of stupid stuff) while being a run of the mill townie. That is, unless you want me to do something else.


This was very early on, a big ol' discussion over PM about early strategem:




Hi Mr. Pizzaman,

I chose you and Reenk for specific purposes. I would like you to be the supertownie for us. Reenk is to keep alive for awhile, but I feel must be a sacrificial lamb eventually. My plan was for us to wait a while, maybe three to five rounds, depending on whether there are any kills, and have you reveal as detective, finding a "guilty" result on Reenk. I plan to keep a periodic voting pattern on Reenk, while your reveal would ideally put yourself a distance aways as well. If there's another detective, we can simply claim there were two detectives, something that's not totally impossible. Granted, its risky, but that was ideally my plan. If the detective is dead, well, that's all the better. However, if you think its complete garbage, feel free to let me know and we can work on something else.

As for killing, I do not believe we can kill. My role PM states nowhere that I or any of my followers can kill. However, I can continue to brainwash people to follow me. Unfortunately, according to last night's role PM, my brainwashing equipment was damaged after I got Reenk, due to having to hide it because of a scuffle which apparently occurred nearby his room. So, from now on, its only one person per night.

Oh...

I dunno about the reveal as detective idea. If there is a detective, I can almost guarantee that we will get called on that as nonsense.

Me lying will totally damage my credibility, and that's our trump card, supposedly. I don't know if me being supertownie will even work, some people aren't familiar with me. It's a big gamble, but it's my only tactic.

What we can do is maybe... makaikhaan, if you reveal yourself as a roleblocker, and say that you've been blocking Reenk Roink for several nights, that could explain the lack of kills.

Of course, we'd lose Reenk Roink that way, and that's not good. The good thing is, you get a new disciple every night.

As a better alternative, we could use your next disciple as a scapegoat instead of Reenk Roink. That way Reenk is still on board for a secondary tactic, and we can use the next disciple as a willing sacrificial lamb.

I could use my deductive reasoning to perhaps slam Reenk Roink at some point, killing him and perhaps, afterwards, me in the process. All this directs attention away from Makaikhaan.

A strategy of hiring disciples and using credibility tactics to damage others, and have makaikhaan never be the object of attention, that makes sense to me.

If we can only convert one disciple per night, then it doesn't matter how many disciples we have that are alive. It doesn't reduce the number of conversions.

We can accelerate the strategy by targeting true townies as well, so that townies will be the ones who end up dying the most. This whole idea is a work in progress. Your thoughts?
First, lets not assume we have unlimited conversions. I started at two per night, and that was hacked down to one by the first day round. Ideally, I'd like only one person to have to be used as a scapegoat, because I honestly suspect that we'll be bereft of conversions sometime in the nearby future.

You're probably right, in retrospect, about the detective thing. Maybe we could get the next convert to do so? I'm honestly not sure though about this whole thing. I'm thinking there might very well not be any night kills in this game, and a role blocker might be called very much into question. If there starts to be some kills from somebody else, then it might be a plausible strategy.

At the moment, lets let the town lynch some poor random guy and ponder future strategy in the meantime. Keep up the super-townie persona for the time being.

That's true, we don't know for sure we have unlimited conversions. However, converting people is typical of a cult/zombie style game where one side does not kill, but converts everyone to his cause.

Knowing Crazed Rabbit, he possibly views environmentalists as mindless wackos who convert everyone to their silly viewpoint, I can almost guarantee we have a cult game on our hands instead of a mafia game.

I'm going to deduce that at some point, and use mafiascum.org as a reference to prove that this is indeed a cult-based game, not a mafia game, assuming there are no kills.

We have to assume there's vigilantes, doctors, etc. on town's side, because a cult game is usually massively unfair to town. They can't stop the cultists once it gets to a certain point. I am willing to bet town has the ability to block us, reveal us, and vigilante us, for balance.

Think about it... how could town win if they had no roles, and we added 1 disciple every night? tomorrow night makes 4... town can only kill one... we add one, they kill one... eventually we win.

This is obviously not how it's going to work. Assuming we cannot kill, ever, we have to keep converting. Which means that town can kill us somehow besides the lynch. I assume vigilantes aplenty, at least one, maybe two detectives, and definitley doctors or even revive roles.

Town has to have some kind of special advantage. Some townies got role pms. That means we are dealing with a town with a role advantage over us, because none of us ostensibly has any ability to do anything except blend in and convert. I have to assume that we can keep converting or else mafia is extraordinarily weak.

I deduce, as you might, that we can continue to convert every night, but we will be blocked, investigated, and vigilante'd to death. I could be wrong, in a few nights we will see.

We really need to stop private messaging, it's a dead giveaway.

Please use my email or instant messager. We have to stop talking to each other via PM. I know town is looking for who is private messaging.


After a while where we essentially just used the quicktopic, me and Reenk with a slight PM exchange discussing his reveal:

I will post a finished version of this to the town. Need a lot of help with Role PM and name and some help in filling up your guilty result.

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OK, town, listen to me very carefully. We must lynch seireikhaan this round he is the Original Agent.

I know this because I am The [role name here] (Detective/Cop/Investigator role) and I investigated him last night.

Customary proof out of the way:

Original Role PM:




Greetings

[PM contents here]

...your goal is to stop the Agent.

Crazed Rabbit



Every investigation prior to last nights:


Investigation 1: (round 3)


You sneak into the cabin of Ichigo and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, Ichigo is innocent.


Investigation 2:


You sneak into the cabin of pevergreen and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, pevergreen is innocent.


Investigation 3:


You sneak into the cabin of Seamus and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, Seamus is innocent.


Investigation 4:


You sneak into the cabin of YLC and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, YLC is innocent.


Investigation 5:


You sneak into the cabin of Mithrandir and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, Mithrandir is innocent.



Investigation this round:



You sneak into the cabin of makaikhaan but find his bed empty. There seems to be no sign of him in the room at all. Scanning the titles on his bookshelf, you find all sorts of books on mechanical engineering and aeronautics. Much more disturbing are the books that are placed behind these: manuals on hypnosis and copies of well known extremist literature such as The Omnivore's Dilemma, Manifestos on the Future of Food and Seed and The Ownerless Planet. Moving on to his computer you notice that most of the files have been encypted, but from what little information is available, you gleam that the agent makaikhaan came on board with a mission to brainwash the entire crew. When the necessary equipment malfunctioned, he moved with the two followers he had corrupted to murder the crew for his cause. Unfortunately, the aliases of his disciples were encoded and you were not able to determine their identities. With emotions of fear, anger, and hope, you leave makaikhaan's cabin...


The fact is, seireikhaan/makaikhaan/'khaan/khaan has been an extremely slippery Agent and obviously was always very worried about surviving in all those previous rounds. We can't put the rope around his neck only for him to get away again!

As for me, at least listen to me for this round and lynch seireikhaan/makaikhaan/'khaan/khaan now. I have hinted at my role before (like many will recall I did before as the hobo and the serial killer) and tried to get you guys from lynching innocents. Hell, do a behavior analysis on me, whatever it takes to convince you. Just lynch seireikhaan! You have my word that I am the detective and that I got the investigation that seireikhaan is guilty. :bow:

For the Prometheus! ~:grouphug:
His response to my response:


Hmmm... I like it. My only issue, of course, is the NAME of our little detective. As my role was the Agent...

Hmm...

How about "the deputy"? Strikes a similar tone to me, anyways.(also, I thesaurus'd "agent :sweatdrop:)

What do you think about that?

Oh, one more thing I've been pondering? Do you think we'd be able to get away with a "investigate every other night" deal? My only thing is, its going to be tough in the long run, because we likely will be cut down to one kill every two or three nights, theoretically giving a lot of "investigations" left. I think we could sell it well, given that the agent's been losing a lot of kills over the last few nights.

The Deputy sounds good, like a follower of the captain.

The idea of the every other round investigations is perfect and it fits very nicely with the game's mechanics. Now if only I didn't exonerate Mithrandir in the thread. :wall:

I'm still kinda lost on the initial role PM, can you make one up based on your Agent one?

One last thing, while at this point I'm fairly certain that there were no other roles besides yours, the way Ichigo posts still hints at the possibility that he is the detective. Of course, but now he should have said something more concrete.
Finally, I come up with a role PM for him:



Ok, I think I might have something.


You are the Deputy

You are James Sholken's most trusted adviser. You were sent with the Prometheus to ensure it's safe and productive efforts. Your intelligence and adaptability made you perfect for the job.

Before leaving, Sholken confided in you that an environmental agent may have been able to sneak aboard the Prometheus and attempt to sabotage its mission. If there is such a threat, it is your job to stamp it out.

Every other night, you may investigate the cabin of one astronaut. The off nights, you are required to run maintainence and support for the Prometheus to ensure it runs at optimum efficiency.


How's that look?

Haha, great stuff! :2thumbsup: I think we're just about done with the reveal, I'll custom tailor it if needed according to the posts when it's time.

One last thing, I wanna test out next round a little bit before exposing. The fact is, the earlier I expose, the longer I have to stay alive, and detectives who rat out Mafia don't stay alive long (without help). If there is a significant movement to lynch someone else, I'll hold off one round. That will also solve my Mithrandir problem (how in one round I went from suspecting him to not).

The great thing is revealing somewhat in the middle shouldn't be SO suspicious in your case as you get a bunch of votes early and then the town changes their mind later. I can just use the excuse "I'm making sure he doesn't get away".

Whatdya think?
Hmm.

No, I believe it will be best to throw me out as soon as possible. The litany of reasons for you to have not investigated me by now is starting to run spare. If we put it off much longer, its quite possible that the town will start questioning the reveal. Again, I think it will be best to generate the "gotcha" feel to the round. I, of course, shall play my part and try to sabotage your efforts. By throwing me out right off the bat, we should have two things happen:

1) Generate an authentic feeling to the round. Any detective at this point who got a guilty result would almost assuredly rush to the thread to bust the scum.

2) By the inevitable bandwagon against me, the town should be left relatively lost for ideas for the next round, as it will be impossible to tell who any mafioso would have been because it was obvious I was cooked. A town lost for ideas bodes well for the mafia. And you, of course, should be in a strong position to steer the town to its doom.

Of course, I'm assuming the writeup will be made in a similar style to that of ATPG's. If we get the "guaranteed guilt" indicator, as well as a kill to boot during the lynch, the fact that we have only one mafioso left should be relatively inconsequential. You just need to play your part well, and the town should drive itself off the proverbial cliff.


Anyways, that should be about all the important parts to cover the gaps in the quicktopic.

EDIT: Who put the red face as the smilie for the overall topic?

[Askthepizzaguy]

To the followers of the Glorious Light:

Although some of you have been converted against your will, you will no doubt understand the logic of our position now. So, without further ado, welcome.

You are hearing our thoughts due to a strange piece of technology that we acquired from the land rapists, a device that connects to a computer and allows the transmission of thoughts from one mind to another. It is a device the locusts of Earth used to create their information network, and upgrade the world wide web into a kind of telepathic communications system. We knew that this system would be their undoing.

Able to read their thoughts and assess their plans, we were able to outmaneuver them in the war which brought us to power. Then, we were able to torture enough scientists to convert the technology into a mind-altering device. All we do is hook it up to your skull and electromagnetic waves pulse at the exact frequency of the synaptic activity of your primitive brains, and eventually your former lives are erased, with only your memories intact. Your reasoning center is enhanced, and your emotive response is eliminated. Now, you are able to see pure logic.

Your primitive emotions and free will gone, you now are a blank slate, ready to hear of the word of our glorious prophet, the one known as Makaikhaan, who is called Seireikhaan. I would tell you not to be afraid, but I know your minds are now free from the confinement of animal impulses... you now function not unlike your vaunted computer systems. It is an irony that this technology that we know to be destructive and wasteful is actually the height of artificial intelligence. But using this as a model, we are able to restructure your minds and create actual intelligence where there was once only disorder.

You are now all followers of the glorious light, and you are all connected to the main computer core. It is the will of our great prophet Seireikhaan that you now instruct this computer to alter course towards the great light.

This ship and it's terrible technology, stolen resources, and plans for otherworldly excavation will no longer serve the primitive plans of the destructive ones. It is now going to be used as a symbol of our superior wisdom. We will show the entire planet Earth what it means to be great, what it means to be logical, rational, and intelligent. The only correct course is towards the light.

Along the way, I encourage you to utilize your remaining time as proper followers of the light would, and not stray from your recommended meditation and propaganda literature. You will unfortunately remain confined to the cryogenic chambers for the duration of this mission, as our great disciple Reenk Roink will be maintaining your cryostatic suspension and transmitting messages of our incredible victory throughout the cosmos. We can command the ship from within these chambers, wasting no further resources, contributing nothing more to the pollution of our realm.

______________


We are now approaching the surface of the sun, our great light and beacon of hope. This ship and everything on it, including your physical bodies, will all be recycled by the incredibly efficient fusion process, and converted into pure energy and light. Indeed, you will embody the very shining wisdom we teach.

This wretched hull is beginning to deteriorate. Finally it will be cleansed. And to all of you who accompanied me on this important journey,

Welcome to the glorious light.

[KukriKhan]

GG, everyone. Congrats to my cohorts, who had to do without me during critical phases.

I think I can speak for most of us in awarding the title "Master of Deceit" to Mr. Reenk, the moniker "Master of Obfuscation" to Askthepizzaguy, and "Senior Master Strategist" to 'khaan. With the role and powers ambiguities, and a team member drop-out mid-game, the cards were stacked against the 'informed minority' this time - yet they snatched victory from the gaping maw of defeat. Fine work.

Very fine game, Crazed Rabbit. You designed play so flexible* that the course of the game could have taken any of 5-6 paths. Very unusual game-dynamics. :bow:

*I admit I had no idea what my job was, once recruited, except to be part of a lynch voting block. Of course, my dead computer saved me the agony of trying to figure it out. :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do want to apologize for crossing the line, talking to living players about the game while dead. It was an honest mistake and it could have gotten mafia awarded some kind of penalty, possibly single-handedly losing the game for us. I will be much more cautious in the future. I was caught up in playing hard for my team and I did not read the rules properly. Even though I was not the only person who overlooked this rule, I cannot deny responsibility. Ignorance is no excuse. Apologies to Chaotix and YLC, who I really really attempted to confuse in this game. It pained me to have to lie to either of you, and it will make you trust me less in the future.

Good job Ichigo, for never trusting me for a second.

Town, I have to say, we couldn't have done it without you. In spite of me getting myself lynched pretty good, I believe some of the better stumbles came from town turning on itself and allowing emotions to impact your judgment. There is no reason why Reenk should have lived. He was never killed by mafia, nor attempted, he claimed his role was now useless which could have been a lie even if he were town, to try to protect himself. He could have been converted after he revealed, and he could have been mafia all along, which he was. This gambit has been played before, and I was worried about it from the start but could not come up with a better strategy. I have been on the losing side of town before, and in one famous instance had victory in the palm of my hands and dropped the ball due to a certain whispering in my ear by El Diablo. I know what it is like to make the wrong choices. Best bet for town is to stick with your original plans, and not be persuaded by drama. Mafia will try to confuse you by being overly dramatic, with lies so bold they could only be the truth even bigger lies. Townies will probably not cause drama on their own. Stick to dispassionate, reasoned strategies, and remember that no one is innocent until the host says they are.

And I just want to say that if I am trying to help the town in the future, that doesn't mean I am mafia. Unfortunately some residuals are left over from previous games and I am sure many will try to lynch me right away. That's fine, but I have no greater chance of being mafia than anyone else, and you could end up hurting yourselves based on a prejudicial line of reasoning. I will be town more often than I am mafia, so you have to allow for the chance that I am trying to help. I'll also try to be less talkative in the future, apparently few people even wanted to read all my gobbletygook, so it wouldn't help me if I were town anyway.

yada, yada, yada.

[Chaotix]

Well, damn. Apologies to YLC, but ya probably wouldn't have been lynched if you weren't so damn suspicious.

For the record, let it be known that Reenk was my number 1 suspect before and for a short amount of time after he revealed as an investigator. :laugh4: There was this one post that he made early in the game (can't find it now) where he said that he wished the agent picked him to be mafia, and complained to the agent that he wasn't picked for the job.

:wall:

I mean, come on! I jumped on him after that, that's when I started suspecting him.

I guess I'm just too gullible. ATPG basically convinced me to get myself lynched. :laugh4:

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Blast. Good game guys, especially mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly thought that YLC did a good job explaining himself at the end. He would have convinced me if I were town. However, I'm gullible.

Not so much the player's actions, but town's strategy was at fault. I believe deduction could have won the game.

Edit: Apparently I'm incapable of having final thoughts.

[pevergreen]

Looking back at it, I agree with the mafia. They played very well indeed.

Sorry to Seamus, for suspecting him.

I should have been more critical of Reenk. I was planning to counter claim him if his first directed lynching didnt feel right to me.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Notes on the Process:

People have mentioned the unusual dynamic, usually positively, which makes me happy, because I was literally making up some of the game as I went along. I'm also pleased that some old-time veterans returned and made the game so memorable.

My original vision was for a game with no killing by the mafia, just lynches/imprisonment. The mafia would act as a voting block, and there would be no other roles. I made a bunch of excel calculations to find the probability of a mafia or town win with various numbers of townies and mafiosos, and came to 4 mafia and 18 townies as giving the fifty-fifty split of townie/mafia victory. But the game had 23 people because Kukri signed up an I didn't want to reject him (What if I had? The mafia would have had a different convert on night 2, likely one who's computer didn't crash. The whole game would have changed).

Also, my schedule at the start of the game was hectic - I wrote post #34, starting the game, right before a seven hour cross-state motorcycle trip. :dizzy2:

So for the first two nights that was how the game went. And then I got a PM from Reenk asking if they would be able to kill someone. And I realized that my original plan would be awfully boring and difficult for the mafia.

So I thought, sure, why not? And so they began killing people, one at a time. I also decided that losing their members would mean less kills, and no kill right after a mafia member was lynched. Those decisions were mainly made as they came up. The rate was 1 kill/night (k/n) when they had four people, 2/3 k/n when they had three people and was originally going to fall to 1/2 k/n when they got down to two people, but I figured that since Kukri was being WoG'd they shouldn't suffer for it. When they got to one person the rate would still be 1/2 k/n, if the last was The Agent, and 1/2 k/n but less than 100% chance of killing if the last mafia member was not The Agent.

A lot of the game was unknown to the mafia, like the players. For example, the fact that guiltiness would be revealed after a lynch was a surprise to the mafia. When lynched, the non-Agent members had a 50% chance of killing a random townie. The Agent had a 100% chance. But the mafia saw this and adapted amazingly, using it as a central part of their gambit.

Not dropping the kill rate after Kukri got thrown out the air lock didn't really help, though, as they soon played their Queen's gambit and went down to one member left anyway. I originally put the Thrown Out the Airlock category in the write-ups as a joke, but then figured it would be a good idea for the WoG'd of people.

Also, there were some clues to be found in my write-ups, though it seemed only the mafia saw them. Askthepizzaguy actually brought attention to them. I was probably unfair in helping the town out a bit, or trying to, as nothing really came of it. And the mafia can claim an even greater victory.

It was very fun to host and read all the goings-on, so thanks for joining everybody!

Oh, and YLC's PMs from right before I stopped the last day's voting are genuine.

Crazed Rabbit

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hints?

Maybe they are worth reading all my long-winded posts to find.


Perhaps not. :laugh2:

[Mithrandir]

Thanks for a fun game.

Did camels return to earth with the maffia's victory?

[Sigurd]

Alright ... you got me good. I will admit to it.

I can't say I never had suspicions towards a former Loke, but being town and not knowing that there was no pro-town roles, forced my hand.
I firmly believed that there were more roles than mafia, and since the dead was allowed to reveal stuff in the thread, but none did, I dared not believe Reeink Roink was a Mafioso.

The compliments was suspicious Reenk ... I knew something was up with that. I foiled several games for you in the past and I guess this evens some of that score :mellow:.

The so called queen's gambit was a masterstroke and I will not draw any credit from seireikhaan in this. He took our Sith stratagem that worked so brilliantly in Star Wars mafia to another level.

That mafia masterminds are willing to lay down their role life for the success of their team speaks of class. :smartass2:

[Reenk Roink]

The first compliment towards you was genuine and without and real strategy. I wanted to explain to the town that some people should not be lynched so early and made ambiguous in their innocence and used you as an example. The compliment was just going off on a tangent. :bow:

The second compliment to you was as planted as the pevergreen reference (which I knew certain townies, including yourself would pounce on :yes:). Take it as somewhat of a taunt for falling into the trap. :laugh4: In fact, I was a bit unsure if I was being too obvious, which obviously now I was, but no harm done. :grin2: It brought me great satisfaction that you were one of my greatest supporters Siggy Fafster. :shakehands:

I am still shocked that you or anyone else did not catch the huge contradiction. Given that some of you go through these threads with a fine comb, I was about ready to give up when I was exposed. I reference both the blunder and my hopelessness in the QuickTopic.

I will just tell you now. Go and read my innocent reveal PM's. I thought they were pretty good, and indeed, except for one detail, they were perfect. Now go and read the attempted kill on Ichigo the first time. Notice I reference each crew's cabin and Crazed Rabbit has Ichigo sleeping in a communal room of a barracks quadrant.

At first, I thought Crazed Rabbit was just putting clues in to help to town, but then he told me that he referenced the barracks quadrant earlier (in Beefy187's death). Looks like I wasn't reading close enough, but neither was the town. :laugh4:

[shlin28]

Great ending for a great game! :yes: