View Full Version : Into What Religion Were You Born Or Raised?
ICantSpellDawg
10-30-2008, 00:07
Well?
Tristuskhan
10-30-2008, 00:08
None. Absolutely none. And it suits me: no God, no Lord.
CountArach
10-30-2008, 00:11
I was raised a non-pracitising Baptist and I was headed down the path of Evangelism (By personal choice) until I was about 13, when I started to become much more Moderate and inquiring about my religion. I slowly sliped into rejecting almost all of the Biblical teachings and I was an Atheist at about 16.
ICantSpellDawg
10-30-2008, 00:12
I was raised a non-pracitising Baptist and I was headed down the path of Evangelism (By personal choice) until I was about 13, when I started to become much more Moderate and inquiring about my religion. I slowly sliped into rejecting almost all of the Biblical teachings and I was an Atheist at about 16.
click an answer!
seireikhaan
10-30-2008, 00:13
Raised Roman Catholic. Currently still trying to figure stuff out.
Tristuskhan
10-30-2008, 00:15
click an answer!
Sorry some can't since they were not born or raised in ANY religion.
ICantSpellDawg
10-30-2008, 00:17
Sorry some can't since they were not born or raised in ANY religion.
Non-Religious Agnostic doesn't suit you?
Atheist doesn't suit you?
Fine, then don't click an answer.
Koga No Goshi
10-30-2008, 00:18
My dad was baptized into Pentecostal, but never practiced.
My mom "discovered" Lutheran (had a background more in Baptist denominations) around the time I was a young kid and so I attended Lutheran K-8 education. Occasionally attended service, in the 8th grade I walked out of the last session of confirmation classes, so, I'm agnostic.
Tristuskhan
10-30-2008, 00:21
Non-Religious Agnostic doesn't suit you?
Atheist doesn't suit you?
Fine, then don't click an answer.
Non-religious agnostic does not suit me, since it leaves some room for mystic feelings, things I have not.
And atheïsm is not a religion, mind you (but I suppose the debate already took place often in the backroom).
Why did not you include a "Gah!" option in this poll? For those who grew up in famillies where religion was just a non-issue?
ICantSpellDawg
10-30-2008, 00:25
Non-religious agnostic does not suit me, since it leaves some room for mystic feelings, things I have not.
And atheïsm is not a religion, mind you (but I suppose the debate already took place often in the backroom).
Why did not you include a "Gah!" option in this poll? For those who grew up in families where religion was just a non-issue?
Because "Atheist" suggests that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
Tristuskhan
10-30-2008, 00:30
Because "Atheist" suggests that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
As you say: religions are just non-issues for Atheists, so classifying Atheism as a religion is as insulting for an Atheist as classifying religions as "superstitions" is for a Believer.
Evil_Maniac From Mars
10-30-2008, 00:37
I was born to parents of two seperate Christian denominations, but they did not raise me as a Christian. I was not baptized, and baptized as a Catholic when I was a teenager, something which was entirely my own choice. Therefore, I won't vote in the poll.
Born orthodox, raised atheist. Eventually came back to christianity. Love orthodox dogma, hate orthodox clergy, so I picked the next best thing and became catholic (thanks exclusively to John Paul II).
Tristuskhan
10-30-2008, 00:44
I was born to parents of two seperate Christian denominations, but I was not raised as a Christian. I was not baptized, and baptized as a Catholic when I was a teenager, something which was entirely my own choice. Therefore, I won't vote in the poll.
One more reason why there should be room for a "none" option in the poll. I was raised by atheists who did not tell me about religion at all. I discovered it when I was something like eight years old with schoolmates who went to Catechism (or whatever you call it, sorry for the spelling...), and was definitely not interested. And I began making my opinion when I was a teenager.
Strike For The South
10-30-2008, 01:03
Southern Baptist. Thats right those crazies you see on Tv? I break bread with them! MAHAUHAUHAHUAUHAHUAUHAHAUUHA
Koga No Goshi
10-30-2008, 01:04
Southern Baptist. Thats right those crazies you see on Tv? I break bread with them! MAHAUHAUHAHUAUHAHUAUHAHAUUHA
Lies! The Church of Beer is not a real religion!
Louis VI the Fat
10-30-2008, 01:05
Tuff, TristusKhan was born 'ni dieu, ni maître'. It is a classification in itself.
The concept doesn't translate well into an American cultural context. Americans have five hundred religions and one broad concept of atheism. France is divided into one broad concept 'religious' and five hundred different ways of radical non-religiousness. :shrug:
By the standards of this poll, you can mark Tristus down as a Roman Catholic. (~;p)
I am a baptised Catholic. But not Roman! :whip:
But I'l spare you this distinction.
Koga No Goshi
10-30-2008, 01:06
Tuff, TristusKhan was born 'ni dieu, ni maître'. It is a classification in itself.
The concept doesn't translate well into an American cultural context. Americans have five hundred religions and one broad concept of atheism. France is divided into one broad concept 'religious' and five hundred different ways of radical non-religiousness. :shrug:
By the standards of this poll, you can mark Tristus down as a Roman Catholic. (~;p)
I am a baptised Catholic. But not Roman! :whip:
But I'l spare you this distinction.
Could you give us a cultural approximation or explanation of the French term? I'm curious to know.
Strike For The South
10-30-2008, 01:09
Lies! The Church of Beer is not a real religion!
I have a convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist_General_Convention_of_Texas#Universities_Affiliated_with_the_Baptist_General_Convention_of_T exas)
Koga No Goshi
10-30-2008, 01:13
I have a convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist_General_Convention_of_Texas#Universities_Affiliated_with_the_Baptist_General_Convention_of_T exas)
Ah kin see you've never been to one of awr revaivals.. (http://www.spotlighttoronto.com/musings/?p=2120)
Sarmatian
10-30-2008, 01:13
Both my parents are Orthodox, but in reality they're Atheists/Agnostics. I wasn't baptized at birth (communism and all that), but did it out of my own volition a couple of years ago. So, I'm officially orthodox but in reality I'm an agnostic...
BTW, what's the point of the thread? Doing a research, Tuff?
Strike For The South
10-30-2008, 01:15
Ah kin see you've never been to one of awr revaivals.. (http://www.spotlighttoronto.com/musings/?p=2120)
amateurs
ICantSpellDawg
10-30-2008, 01:20
Both my parents are Orthodox, but in reality they're Atheists/Agnostics. I wasn't baptized at birth (communism and all that), but did it out of my own volition a couple of years ago. So, I'm officially orthodox but in reality I'm an agnostic...
BTW, what's the point of the thread? Doing a research, Tuff?
Nope. The same reason that I want people to fill out their tab in the political affiliation thread. I like to see where people are coming from. As many people and as much personal information as I can get to better relate or understand their sentiments.
I relate with you guys on a day to day basis and none of this information is written in a book that I can read. We are essentially creating our own.
Louis VI the Fat
10-30-2008, 01:23
Could you give us a cultural approximation or explanation of the French term? I'm curious to know.Of 'Ni dieu ni maître'? It is an old radical battlecry: 'No God! No Master!'
This touches on the recent thread about Laïcité, where I think the reasons for us storming the barricades in revolutionary anger baffled many.
'No God, no master' shows the link between religion and supression. In France, the revolutionary quest for freedom had to overcome the Catholic hierarchy as much as the worldly hierarchy. Non-religiousness, or a religiously neutral state, and freedom go hand-in-hand. (At least, for many it does, certainly for progressives. I won't go into reactionary criticism here)
This in contrast to America's experience. Several groups of (European) Americans settled in America to seek religious freedom. This they duly found. And so, to this day, religion and freedom, and freedom of religion, go hand in hand in American thought.
Uh, that sounds so simplified as to be almost false, but it'll have to do for a quick forum post before I go to bed.
Edit: Or I could've thought about simply giving a link. Strangely, the English Wikipedia doesn't have an entry. (Be the first, Tristus!) Luckily, the www is infinite:
"Ni dieu ni maître!"--Neither God nor master!--is a phrase coined by the socialist Auguste Blanqui in 1880, when he published a journal by that name. It became an anarchist slogan.
Louis-Auguste Blanqui (1805-1881) was nick-named " l'enfermé "--"locked up"-- because over half of his adult life was spent in jail. He was involved in failed insurrections in 1839, 1840, and 1870. His supporters, known as "Blanquists", made up a substantial faction of the Paris Commune insurrection of 1871. Blanqui supported the notion of class struggle, spearheaded by an elite "revolutionary vanguard" of intellectuals, on behalf of the workers, the proletariat, against the bourgeoisie, the middle class. While somewhat influential in France, his theories obtained practical efficacy when adopted by Vladimir Lenin and the Russian Bolsheviks for their own particular revolutionary brand of Marxism.
The phrase pops up in a couple of places in Friedrich Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, first in Section 22, in a critique of the notion that "nature" dictates a morality of equality before the law--"natural law"--and then again in Section 202, where he identifies it as both an anarchist slogan and the motto of "herd morality", the morality of compassion for others--which Nietzsche apparently did not consider to be a good and noble thing.
Blanqui's phrase has particular resonance for anarchists in Portugal, Spain, France, and other places where a reactionary Catholic Church hierarchy was deeply involved in government and devoted all its resources to counterevolution. In such places, it was difficult not to conflate religion with slavery.
CountArach
10-30-2008, 01:24
I relate with you guys on a day to day basis and none of this information is written in a book that I can read. We are essentially creating our own.
So true.
Sarmatian
10-30-2008, 01:37
Of 'Ni dieu ni maître'? It is an old radical battlecry: 'No God! No Master!'
Why does everything sound cooler in French than in English? :laugh4:
Compare Ni dieu ni maître to No God no master, or La Garde meurt, elle ne se rend pas! to The Guard dies, it does not surrender!.
LittleGrizzly
10-30-2008, 01:41
Im stuck between anglicanism and protestantism, they both have fairly plain churchs right ?
If yes anything major to differentiate between the two ?
Is anglicanism C of E ? If so then protestantism...
Uesugi Kenshin
10-30-2008, 02:13
I was raised celebrating Christmas, but that's about it. I've only been to a church for a religious service maybe once, I was never baptised, and I've probably been to a synagogue for exactly as many services as I have to a church. Which is one. Bar Mitzvahs rock!
Raised Lutheran (Swedish Church when I lived there)
Is anglicanism C of E ? If so then protestantism...
Yep, Anglicanism is Church of England (it's what I was raised, before I walked away from childish things like believing in a higher power in the judeo-christian sense). Yes there is quite a bit of difference between Anglican and other Protestant sects. Really C'o'E and Catholics have much more in common doctrine wise than C'o'E vis-a-ve Lutheran/Calvanist/Preysbeterian etc.
Was baptized Catholic but when my family moved from Austria to Hawaii they dropped all pretense of religion. I'd describe my family as spiritual though I myself am an atheist.
I expected someone to make a funny vote, but not you, Don! :laugh4:
Ah well, been raised as a non-denominational Christian. It's more on the protestant side than the catholic one if that isn't included in non-denominational already.
Non-practicing Roman-Catholic
Raised protestant. Both my parents were, and still are, religiously active.
Don Corleone
10-30-2008, 13:11
Well, to all my Shi'a Islam brothers out there, I meant no disrepsect in co-opting your religion. I just don't understand why Tuff has two polls out there. Can't people wax about their upbringings in the thread that's centered on their current religious beliefs?
Anyway, I picked Shi'a Islam because I'm playing a campaign as the Turks right now and I'm in the role-playing mode. I know modern day Turkey is mostley Sunni, but I figured coming from the Steppes, newly converted Turks would have been Shiite, and it sets up a good reason why as the Turks I'd be blatantly invading my muslim brothers, the Fatmids.
I have a question about Islam (I apologize for it being rather basic and simple if it comes off that way). But trying to deepen my understanding of the differences between Shiite and Sunni Islam, this is what I've been able to come up with:
Both branches belive that Mohammed was the last annointed prophet of Allah, and his words as given by the Quran are to be the ultimate authority. However, in the years that followed, disputes arose over interpretations of the Quran.
Shiites believed that the authority to interpret is vested in a lineage back to Mohammed. The final authority for settling disputes on scripture rests with a man, namely the Imam, and auhtority is conveyed through bloodline.
Sunnis believed that the authority to inerpret is vested in the law, the sum total of interpretations to date. Their legal scholars study all legal decisions made since Mohammed ascended to heaven and strive to maintain continuity by integrating the truth from each of these differential elements of truth, the individual decision, into a universal truth.
Do I understand the differences correctly?
atheotes
10-30-2008, 15:38
Born and raised Hindu....turned agnostic around age 13 and atheist by 20 :shrug:
Yoyoma1910
10-30-2008, 16:03
(Secular) Roman Catholicism.
Kralizec
10-30-2008, 16:12
My parents are both former protestants, now atheists but I don't recall them ever pushing their (lack of) beliefs on me. I'd describe myself as an agnostic.
Rhyfelwyr
10-30-2008, 17:40
I was baptised into the Church of Scotland, although my parents weren't really religious. One parent from what I gather is quite a staunch atheist, the other of the variety that claims belief in God but doesn't actually attend Church or read the Bible etc.
So I went for the non-religious agnostic option.
The Celtic Viking
10-30-2008, 17:49
Non-Religious Agnostic doesn't suit you?
Atheist doesn't suit you?
Fine, then don't click an answer.
The question was "Into what religion were you born or raised" (is there actually a difference between the two?), which implies that the options are religions or "I was not raised/born into any religion". Choosing the word "atheist" instead of that can be misleading since there are many who falsely believe atheism really is a religion.
I'm also not so sure that "agnostic" should be an option since that's not on the same scale. Me, I would click "I was not raised into any religion, and am now in formality an agnostic atheist, but in practice a gnostic atheist" - if I didn't object to calling myself "an atheist". I don't identify myself by what I'm not.
So, well, there you have me.
Koga No Goshi
10-30-2008, 18:20
Well, to all my Shi'a Islam brothers out there, I meant no disrepsect in co-opting your religion. I just don't understand why Tuff has two polls out there. Can't people wax about their upbringings in the thread that's centered on their current religious beliefs?
Anyway, I picked Shi'a Islam because I'm playing a campaign as the Turks right now
LOL!!! That's great, you're a character.
Well, to all my Shi'a Islam brothers out there, I meant no disrepsect in co-opting your religion. I just don't understand why Tuff has two polls out there. Can't people wax about their upbringings in the thread that's centered on their current religious beliefs?
Anyway, I picked Shi'a Islam because I'm playing a campaign as the Turks right now and I'm in the role-playing mode. I know modern day Turkey is mostley Sunni, but I figured coming from the Steppes, newly converted Turks would have been Shiite, and it sets up a good reason why as the Turks I'd be blatantly invading my muslim brothers, the Fatmids.
I have a question about Islam (I apologize for it being rather basic and simple if it comes off that way). But trying to deepen my understanding of the differences between Shiite and Sunni Islam, this is what I've been able to come up with:
Both branches belive that Mohammed was the last annointed prophet of Allah, and his words as given by the Quran are to be the ultimate authority. However, in the years that followed, disputes arose over interpretations of the Quran.
Shiites believed that the authority to interpret is vested in a lineage back to Mohammed. The final authority for settling disputes on scripture rests with a man, namely the Imam, and auhtority is conveyed through bloodline.
Sunnis believed that the authority to inerpret is vested in the law, the sum total of interpretations to date. Their legal scholars study all legal decisions made since Mohammed ascended to heaven and strive to maintain continuity by integrating the truth from each of these differential elements of truth, the individual decision, into a universal truth.
Do I understand the differences correctly?
More like they dispute the sucession of the early Caliph's. Right guided I believe is the word they use. Shiites believe that anyone after Ali (IIRC) isn't right guided. I'm sure other stuff came after the split.
Tristuskhan
10-30-2008, 18:52
I have a question about Islam (I apologize for it being rather basic and simple if it comes off that way). But trying to deepen my understanding of the differences between Shiite and Sunni Islam, this is what I've been able to come up with:
Both branches belive that Mohammed was the last annointed prophet of Allah, and his words as given by the Quran are to be the ultimate authority. However, in the years that followed, disputes arose over interpretations of the Quran.
Shiites believed that the authority to interpret is vested in a lineage back to Mohammed. The final authority for settling disputes on scripture rests with a man, namely the Imam, and auhtority is conveyed through bloodline.
Sunnis believed that the authority to inerpret is vested in the law, the sum total of interpretations to date. Their legal scholars study all legal decisions made since Mohammed ascended to heaven and strive to maintain continuity by integrating the truth from each of these differential elements of truth, the individual decision, into a universal truth.
Do I understand the differences correctly?
You have strong basics there. Shiites are Islam's Cathos and Sunnies Islam's Protestants... It seems stupid but the more I learn about this, the more I believe in the comparison (hierarchic/no hierarchic clergies, pictures/no pictures, saints/no saints, and some more...)
I insist, it seems I'm not the only one who would like to have a "none" option in this poll.
edit: (...and some more: love of brutal bloody ceremonials like self-whipping/no love of brutal and bloody ceremonials):beam:
Re-edit: what lars573 said, historically. Are also called "shiites" the different kind of Ismaïlis, who originate in disputes over the number of sucessors of Muhammad, some (very few) believe therte was six, some more (mot so much either) believe there was seven. Religions know no limits... Most Shiites believe there was twelve, if I remember well:inquisitive:.
Meanwhile i've been more concerned with Sunnism, privilege of having an egyptian father-in-law:furious3:. Quite strict believer by the way.
I was born and raised Lutheran. Became an Atheist when I was 14, and subsequently renounced all religious affiliations about 10 years after that.
Incongruous
10-31-2008, 23:12
100% prime Catholic beef!
Mother is Catholic and father is Church of Scotland, but really worships at the alter of British cynicism and Monty Python.
In my truly teenage years (I'm 19 now, so don't really count) I had the audacity to believe I could comprehend life and judge God to be a lie, I have since become a fully functional Catholic again.
Since I was baptized I guess that means I belonged to the Danish National Church which is Lutheran. But never believed in it and officially left the church last year.
CBR
roman catholic i guess.....
This poll is very interesting when combined with the "Religious Affiliation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=109095)" poll. Nearly 2/3 of Backroomers describe themselves as Athiest or Agnostic currently. However, only 1/4 were born into a family with those beliefs. About 40% of all Backroomers were brought up with a religion and have since abandoned it. If someone could find national/international data on this, it would be interesting to see how our results correlate with the global population.
CountArach
11-03-2008, 22:28
This poll is very interesting when combined with the "Religious Affiliation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=109095)" poll. Nearly 2/3 of Backroomers describe themselves as Athiest or Agnostic currently. However, only 1/4 were born into a family with those beliefs. About 40% of all Backroomers were brought up with a religion and have since abandoned it. If someone could find national/international data on this, it would be interesting to see how our results correlate with the global population.
Though it is very hard to find the trendlines for number of atheists worldwide, this (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html) has a graph for the top 10 countries in 1991 and 2004.
Though it is very hard to find the trendlines for number of atheists worldwide, this (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html) has a graph for the top 10 countries in 1991 and 2004.
Even though that site claims 31 - 72% of the Norwegian population as non-believers, it is interesting that in 2007 82,7% of the Norwegian population was registered members in the Norwegian church (aka the Lutheran church).
It would be interesting to see the actual numbers of this survey. Believers tend to be found outside the big cities.
Even though that site claims 31 - 72% of the Norwegian population as non-believers, it is interesting that in 2007 82,7% of the Norwegian population was registered members in the Norwegian church (aka the Lutheran church).
I think the numbers are similar in Denmark. But since anyone who has been baptized/confirmed is an automatic member that might have something to do with it.
CBR
I think the numbers are similar in Denmark. But since anyone who has been baptized/confirmed is an automatic member that might have something to do with it.
CBR
I find it funny that someone can claim to be an atheist but at the same time be a member of a religious organization. :rolleyes:
I am not a member of the Norwegian church. :smash:
I find it funny that someone can claim to be an atheist but at the same time be a member of a religious organization. :rolleyes:
I am not a member of the Norwegian church. :smash:
I'm sure people have various reasons for it. I know my dad thinks the 0.7% church tax is ok as the church is part of our cultural history. For me I guess it was partly for the same reason, plus I simply could not be bothered to locate, fill in and send the papers.
The combination of moving house (now living nearby a church) and some more church sillyness in the news was needed before I saw the light :beam:
CBR
BananaBob
11-04-2008, 17:19
I was raised Roman Catholic, went to a catholic grade school and high school. I was always, however, an atheist.
ajaxfetish
11-05-2008, 01:02
Man, TSM, of all the people to create such a poll and then forget to stick Mormon on the list, I didn't think it would be you. Now I'm torn between marking Non-Denominational Christian, Other Monotheism, and Other Polytheism. Why does my religion have to be so complicated? :dizzy2:
Ajax
Gaius Scribonius Curio
11-05-2008, 03:59
Was baptised as a Roman Catholic. My dad is fairly religious and my extended family on that side tend to be religious. I even went to a Catholic high school once I came to Australia, but was full blown atheist from about the time I was in year 5. (I'm now 19 so that was about 10 years ago, I re-examined stuff properly a couple of years ago, and continue to consider religions, but I completely lack faith in a higher power).
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