Will this be finished before Empires? [Archive]

Foot

10-31-2008, 23:06

No, it won't be finished before Empires. But we don't expect to compete with them. I have no doubt that you will come crawling back to EBII when Empires has run its time.

Foot

Hybr1d

10-31-2008, 23:22

No, it won't be finished before Empires. But we don't expect to compete with them. I have no doubt that you will come crawling back to EBII when Empires has run its time.

Foot

Hey, ya know what, you might be right :D

Aemilius Paulus

10-31-2008, 23:33

No, it won't be finished before Empires. But we don't expect to compete with them. I have no doubt that you will come crawling back to EBII when Empires has run its time.

Foot

How right you are. I got M2TW three weeks ago, played it for exactly a week, got frustrated and went back to good old EB, which I am still playing. I guess the only good thing that will come out of M2TW is the fact that I will be able to play EB II using it.

Tellos Athenaios

11-01-2008, 02:50

No you won't, you'll need the Kingdoms expansion (as well) to play EB 2.

Aemilius Paulus

11-01-2008, 03:00

No you won't, you'll need the Kingdoms expansion (as well) to play EB 2.

I got that ordered as well.

antisocialmunky

11-01-2008, 14:08

-Praetor-

11-01-2008, 16:25

Try broken crescent, it`s a great mod to be played in the meantime.

General Appo

11-01-2008, 17:56

I know an even better mod. EB 1. It roxors!!

Lysimachos

11-01-2008, 18:42

I know an even better mod. EB 1. It roxors!!

Yes, but if you play something diifferent in between it roxors even more after :smash:

oudysseos

11-01-2008, 19:05

Foot, you say that as if you don't expect Empires to be the very best thing since sliced bread.

Foot

11-01-2008, 19:24

Oh, I expect Empires to be the best thing sliced bread. I'm really looking forward to munching down a toasted Empire's disc with some butter and jam. Is going to be delicious!

Foot

General Appo

11-01-2008, 22:04

Foot, you say that as if you don't expect Empires to be the very best thing since sliced bread.

Meh, sliced bread is way overhyped. Needs nerfing.

ludwag

11-02-2008, 00:23

General Appo

11-02-2008, 01:13

I doubt they´ll really time the release for best commercial effect, especially seeing as it´s not commercial. When it´s done, it´s done. And then they´ll hold on to it for themselves for 3 years just to piss us off.

ludwag

11-02-2008, 03:01

some months. something can allways be improved.

Foot

11-02-2008, 06:19

We really don't care if y'all are playing Empires. We'll release it when we feel we are ready too. We are a mod. stop confusing us with a games developer, its difficult to live up to.

Foot

Gleemonex

11-02-2008, 06:48

And don't forget that we have the Gaza Campaign. We're going to hook you guys with our tutorial alone.

-Glee

Gazius

11-02-2008, 11:46

We really don't care if y'all are playing Empires. We'll release it when we feel we are ready too. We are a mod. stop confusing us with a games developer, its difficult to live up to.

Foot

I suppose the problem is that many are confused when all they do is donate, instead of paying you guys for your hardwork and dedication.

Majd il-Romani

11-02-2008, 16:55

hmm... EB3... on Empire:TW?:2thumbsup::yes:

theoldbelgian

11-02-2008, 21:20

I think you should use a long time to make eb 2, and wait untill empires has run its time. So that people are getting really excsited and really looking forvard to it right before you release it. Instead of being like "we have always been here while you played empire". If you use a long time to make it, it will be better too. Maybe the capital cities project.

so what you are basically saying is that they should hold the game even longer
a game which I am freaking more exiting over then my freaking drivers license
do you want my death?:help:

Cbvani

11-03-2008, 19:11

Some of us don't have the comp. to play empires. So some of us will be playing EBII and pretending Empires never came out.

Aemilius Paulus

11-04-2008, 01:01

We really don't care if y'all are playing Empires. We'll release it when we feel we are ready too. We are a mod. stop confusing us with a games developer, its difficult to live up to.

:yes:
Just what I was going to say. Although I can say that CA will not be happy with "y'all" if "y'all" release EB II around the release of Empires. (being a temporary resident of the American South I just had to make a crack about a limey using "y'all" - supposing that you truly are a Brit)

||Lz3||

11-04-2008, 05:21

And don't forget that we have the Gaza Campaign. We're going to hook you guys with our tutorial alone.

-Glee

damn... when I first got my RTW vanilla demo , I played the same freakin tevia battle like 40 times (no kidding) :dizzy:

antisocialmunky

11-06-2008, 16:04

We really don't care if y'all are playing Empires. We'll release it when we feel we are ready too. We are a mod. stop confusing us with a games developer, its difficult to live up to.

Foot

I'm more concerned about your modder slaves running off and playing Empires and not coming back for a while.

:whip:

Foot

11-06-2008, 16:05

We don't have any modder slaves. Just volunteers.

Foot

bovi

11-06-2008, 20:28

I'm more concerned about your modder slaves running off and playing Empires and not coming back for a while.

:whip:
Not to worry, I'm sure Fallout 3 has filled that role already :juggle:. Actually, I was thinking I was going to play M2TW in all my free time for months before it came out, but I couldn't stomach more than a week of it and quickly returned to EB. Perhaps Empire will be different.

a completely inoffensive name

11-07-2008, 04:50

Not to worry, I'm sure Fallout 3 has filled that role already :juggle:.

Fallout 3? More like Fable 2. That game is the best except for EB 1.1. (and Gears of War 2)

Gleemonex

11-07-2008, 05:26

What? Fallout 3 is out? See you in 2009 suckers!

:vanish:

Celtic_Punk

11-11-2008, 03:36

I was just playing fallout 3 its not as great as everyone was saying. i have the 360 version though. so no mods :( my dude is an alcoholic jethead super-commando. hahahaha
I'm actually buying M2TW for the sole purpose of playing EBII... I might find some time to slay some brits as the Scottish though.

MarcusAureliusAntoninus

11-11-2008, 20:45

Fallout 3? More like Fable 2. That game is the best except for EB 1.1. (and Gears of War 2)
Fable 1 was the greatest disappointment I've ever gotten from playing a video game. It was supposed to be one of the greatest, openended games ever made. It turned out to be mediocre. It wasn't that bad, but when you are expecting great and you get normal, it is worse than when you expect normal and get crap.

I'm planning on getting Fallout 3 but will wait a while. I have my expectations so low for it (after the disappointment of TES4) that I may end up being pleasantly surprised.

bovi

11-11-2008, 22:49

I've been very wary about my expectations for Fallout3. I absolutely loved the two prequels, and I was concerned that it would be impossible to create anything like it in the TES engine. Which is true, it's not like those games. However, the atmosphere is there, and it's a good game in it's own right, as far as I've come in a couple of hours at least. The character creation is very nice and really helps you get in the right mood. That is, me. Perhaps not you. It's not Oblivion. Then again, I loved Oblivion too, especially with Oscuro's mod.

Hybr1d

11-14-2008, 02:32

I have a question for the modders: Is the campaign/ battlefield AI hardcoded in MTW? If it isn't, will you try and improve it? Because everybody says that the MTW2 AI is pretty bad.

bovi

11-14-2008, 06:42

No. Yes. But it's not the first area we will focus on, as obviously we need the stats system set up first and some units to test with.

wumpus

11-21-2008, 11:26

How right you are. I got M2TW three weeks ago, played it for exactly a week, got frustrated and went back to good old EB, which I am still playing. I guess the only good thing that will come out of M2TW is the fact that I will be able to play EB II using it.

That's right. I, too, have the same opinion and sentiments. I returnt to play M2TW from time to time, but I play EB (and XGM too) most times--both EB 1.0 and EB 1.1 because I've different saved games in each.

Leão magno

11-21-2008, 14:04

That's right. I, too, have the same opinion and sentiments. I returnt to play M2TW from time to time, but I play EB (and XGM too) most times--both EB 1.0 and EB 1.1 because I've different saved games in each.

I played MTWII a lot... but it missed somethings to be as much enjoyable as RTW was when it eas launched... I do not know exactly what!!! Surely it is a bit flat compared to the imersiveness of many deep mods as Broken Crescent, EB, Iberian Total War, etc.

I hope EBII get ready soon.

Cartaphilus

11-24-2008, 21:11

I agree with you.
Now I'm waiting fot EBII and the "Dominion of the Sword" mod that seems to be incredible too if the mod is worth of the current preview.

Elmetiacos

11-27-2008, 17:29

No, it won't be finished before Empires. But we don't expect to compete with them. I have no doubt that you will come crawling back to EBII when Empires has run its time.

Foot
...and he probably won't even say sorry. He'll come back and think he can pick up where he left off, as if nothing happened and he'll expect EBII to cook his meals and wash his clothes... maybe I'm taking this metaphor to far...

a completely inoffensive name

12-06-2008, 09:04

I am still hoping for a winter 2010 release.

Boyar Son

12-06-2008, 22:20

And don't forget that we have the Gaza Campaign. We're going to hook you guys with our tutorial alone.

-Glee

So to play the Gaza campaign I will have to install, MTW2/expansion, then install Gaza? and later uninstalled to put in EB2?

General Appo

12-06-2008, 23:13

I am still hoping for a winter 2010 release.

Winter as in January or December?

a completely inoffensive name

12-06-2008, 23:31

Majd il-Romani

12-07-2008, 04:34

Christmas 2010. Assuming the first version takes a little over two years, to make. (I am basing this off what I have read it took the first version of EB1 to be made which I think was from 2004-2006.)

I think the wait will be a bit shorte because they already have all of the unit models and most other stuff that would take time. I'm thinking more of a winter 2009/spring 2010 release

Tellos Athenaios

12-07-2008, 04:50

Ah well, "Rome wasn't built in a day, you know". :grin:

a completely inoffensive name

12-07-2008, 07:03

The one thing I am very curious about though, is if they will debut all the new factions before they release it.

Hybr1d

02-24-2009, 01:44

Any news on EB2? How much longer?

a completely inoffensive name

02-24-2009, 02:23

Any news on EB2?

Yes.

How much longer?

They can't say.

Next.

A Terribly Harmful Name

02-24-2009, 02:35

EBII will probably be released this year. They have been working on it roughly since 2007.

a completely inoffensive name

02-24-2009, 04:49

They haven't put their full team on it until April-ish of 2008 when 1.1 came out.

-Praetor-

02-24-2009, 14:15

Has anyone tried the Empire Total War demo yet? It has got 2 battles, one land and one naval, and you may download via steam...

A Terribly Harmful Name

02-24-2009, 20:54

No, I want EBII.

bovi

02-24-2009, 23:08

I don't care about the battles. I want better AI. And I think I'm not going to get it.

antisocialmunky

02-24-2009, 23:13

Honestly, despite the naval stuff, I think that EBII is better on MedII than it would ever be on ETW. MII allows better zooming and the terrain is about equal as far as I care.

ziegenpeter

02-24-2009, 23:21

I want better AI. And I think I'm not going to get it.
What makes you do so?

The Fuzz

02-24-2009, 23:21

In a year or two, ETW will be worth it. Then I'll have three excellent TW game installed rather than the two I currently have. :)

Captain Trek

02-25-2009, 13:13

Oh come on guys, give ETW a chance... :sweatdrop:

Elmetiacos

02-25-2009, 13:38

Has anyone tried the Empire Total War demo yet? It has got 2 battles, one land and one naval, and you may download via steam...
Steam powered downloads is just taking historical simulation a bit too far...

Baldamundo

02-25-2009, 18:00

How right you are. I got M2TW three weeks ago, played it for exactly a week, got frustrated and went back to good old EB, which I am still playing. I guess the only good thing that will come out of M2TW is the fact that I will be able to play EB II using it.

A thousand times this :yes:

Also, the Dominion of the Sword mod looks like it stands a chance of perhaps almost rivalling EB :dizzy2:

We are a mod. stop confusing us with a games developer, its difficult to live up to.

You've certainly done a much better job than Creative Assembly did :P

Ludens

02-25-2009, 21:02

Steam powered downloads is just taking historical simulation a bit too far...

~:thumb:

Hax

02-25-2009, 22:18

I'm also looking forward to Dominion of the Sword as well. Looks pretty good.

antisocialmunky

02-26-2009, 00:39

~:thumb:

Wow... I didn't get that until you did that. Epic.:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

bovi

03-03-2009, 08:46

What makes you do so?
Empiricism, and also it's a new engine. Additionally, the focus once again seems to be visual stuff.

Subotan

03-03-2009, 22:26

@ Thread title
I doubt it somewhat.

Hax

03-03-2009, 22:51

Don't worry, when EBII is released all notion of time and space will become irrelevant.

Martelus Flavius

03-04-2009, 00:47

Well you'll all have the answer to this very existential question in 20 hours, for the last of us...

Regards

Martel who wonder if Milankovic theory does have an influence on this domain!

geala

03-04-2009, 08:08

I'm a bit sad that EBII will not be a mod for ETW. I know the team has already expressed its opinion about this. But nevertheless I don't see so many advantages of M2TW over RTW. And EBI is a lot better than RTW and M2TW. The only flaw is the bad diplomacy AI. If this could not be corrected with M2TW (and it cannot I think) the efforts are in vain imho. Of course, if Bovi is right in his opinion about ETW AI, nothing matters... :laugh4:

Thaatu

03-04-2009, 19:51

Yeah, the tech-development, naval warfare, diplomacy without diplomats, unit recruitment, province management and all those other features in ETW seem vital for simulating the world of the Diadochi and the Punic Wars. Kind of makes you wish that the EB team would give MTW2 a pass. Of course, ETW engine isn't going anywhere, but I'm just worried about the increasing workload of the team. Undoubtedly many team members would like to see EBIII in the future, but hopefully they'll keep their goals safe and realistic. It's better to have no EBIII at all, than have someone dying for it. I just hope that at least models and textures are easily portable from MTW2 to ETW...
*END RANT*

Edit: Please note that I am ignorant to the development status of EBII as I live in a cave. Also I won't be getting anything from discussing MTW2 or ETW, as neither will work on my PC. My computer is basically made of flint.

Subotan

03-04-2009, 20:47

Don't worry, when EBII is released all notion of time and space will become irrelevant.

We're getting closer to the Event Horizon as we speak.

Ibrahim

03-04-2009, 20:54

We're getting closer to the Event Horizon as we speak.

I do not wish to be spegettified by EB....

anyways, i think the thread is now redundant: Empires is certainly on market, I'm buying it for my birthday (on saturday), and I'm off to get more dinosaur books, and fing info on the portuguese army (my work online).

a completely inoffensive name

03-05-2009, 05:13

Maybe someone should make a thread called, "Will EBII be finished before the summer?" :shrug:

Bellum

03-07-2009, 02:53

I'm a bit sad that EBII will not be a mod for ETW. I know the team has already expressed its opinion about this. But nevertheless I don't see so many advantages of M2TW over RTW.

I can agree with that. M2TW is just terrible. I've only tried two mods so far, but they don't seem to have been able to fix the terrible way units consistently ignore your orders or the ever stupid diplomacy AI. In ETW, not only are your units responsive again the diplomacy AI is reasonable. Everything has been streamlined, but not dumbed down, and I think the EB team could do some really special things with the new features.

antisocialmunky

03-07-2009, 03:36

Will EB2 be released before the ETW expansion is announced?

geala

03-07-2009, 11:55

After playing some days ETW I have mixed feelings. In the end I think it seems still to be a wise decision of the EB team to stay with M2TW. The diplomacy in ETW is clearly a great improvement compared to older TW games, it is mostly very nice. I have experienced incredible things like other nations rationally asking for peace or accepting peace in certain situations. And an ally is an ally. The other features are not so revolutionary or interesting however. I already miss the abundance of diffferent units in EB and have blasphemic thoughts better to play further my new Lusotannan campaign instead of ETW. Mmmhh...

Shadowwalker

03-07-2009, 14:16

The AI in M2TW is moddable to a certain point.
Whoever is able to understand german should give a try these mods:

Who's not willing to play a german mod (Regnum Coelis or Reconquista to mention only 2 of them) can try Deus Lo Vult for example (the extreme turn lag should not be a problem to people addicted to EB :laugh4: ). Or Das Heilige Römische Reich 0.7.
All these mods have a much more reasonable AI.
The AI isn't that quick at accepting any truces but an alliance lasts a lot longer than in any RTW game/M2TW vanilla.

I'm sure we will see an EBII diplomacy that is at least as good as the AI of the above mentioned mods.

Hybr1d

07-01-2009, 20:13

BUMP

Any news on how EBII is going?

A Very Super Market

07-01-2009, 20:31

There is a new preview on the Massylians, stickied as well. Why would you bump this?

Hybr1d

07-02-2009, 01:09

There is a new preview on the Massylians, stickied as well. Why would you bump this?

Because if you read my post I wanted to know how EBII is going.

A Very Super Market

07-02-2009, 01:15

All work has ended. EBII has been scrapped.

What do you think they're going to say? It's going along.

Hybr1d

07-02-2009, 02:25

Ok, don't be an ass. I hardly ever post on this site, I come here maybe once a month to check up on things. So theres no reason to be an ass, dude.

Satyros

07-02-2009, 09:27

I have a question for the modders: Is the campaign/ battlefield AI hardcoded in MTW? If it isn't, will you try and improve it? Because everybody says that the MTW2 AI is pretty bad.

No. Yes. But it's not the first area we will focus on, as obviously we need the stats system set up first and some units to test with.

Getouttahere!

Really ?

Honestly ?

You just made my day !

Yay , I shall not nag again !

Satyros

P.S. : I know , I know , I'm just so very happy .:drummer::belly::jumping::hippie::thrasher: :san_laugh:

Martelus Flavius

07-02-2009, 10:01

Any news on how EBII is going?

Well very fine, we just gave it a new ration of "petits-beurres" and it seems to be very happy of that! Oh and we just bought him some new clothes!!!

More seriously you can either check our latest preview, or take a look to the EB Twitter. (http://twitter.com/EBTeam)

Regards

Titvs Martelvs Occvltvs

Alsatia

07-02-2009, 13:06

Empire is out months ago, did someone necro this thread?

Skullheadhq

07-18-2009, 11:50

Is this going to be released before the APOCALYPS

a completely inoffensive name

07-18-2009, 11:54

Is this going to be released before the APOCALYPS

If it is it won't really matter will it?

MerlinusCDXX

07-20-2009, 01:40

Since Empire has been out for a few months, maybe this thread has run its course? Oh, unless you meant 'will this be out before Empire is finished?', in that case, my money is on EB2. It looks like Empire will never be a 'finished' game.