Clarification please?

[Devastatin Dave]

Since Bush was called the "Chimp" all these years, among other less flattering things, will we have the same leniancy for the Chosen One? Will we be allowed the same extreme latitude on insulting the former President with the new guy or will no criticism be allowed without being branded "racist"? I guess we will find out?

I have this strange feeling that there will be a double standard. Call me a skeptic. Here's the test....


The new Chimp has named Rohm Emanual as his Chief of Staff. Is this a sign of things to come in the Chimp's administration?

[Koga No Goshi]

Since Bush was called the "Chimp" all these years, among other less flattering things, will we have the same leniancy for the Chosen One? Will we be allowed the same extreme latitude on insulting the former President with the new guy or will no criticism be allowed without being branded "racist"? I guess we will find out?

I have this strange feeling that there will be a double standard. Call me a skeptic. Here's the test....


The new Chimp has named Rohm Emanual as his Chief of Staff. Is this a sign of things to come in the Chimp's administration?

When Obama is as demonstrably unintelligent as Bush, treating him the same will be seen as appropriate.

If Obama ever says "it [the constitution] is just a g-d piece of paper", have a field day.

Till then ... yup, don't see what appropriate reason you could have for saying that.

[Lemur]

Why is it that the only time I ever read or hear President Bush referred to as "chimp" is when a rightwing person wants to say something about Obama?

DevDave, if you want to find an insult that actually gets used on President Bush, try "Shrub." That's one that you will actually come across.

But why do you feel you need cover to refer to our first black President as a monkey? Surely you can do that without needing any excuse or protection.

[Devastatin Dave]

When Obama is as demonstrably unintelligent as Bush, treating him the same will be seen as appropriate.

If Obama ever says "it [the constitution] is just a g-d piece of paper", have a field day.

Till then ... yup, don't see what appropriate reason you could have for saying that.

Why? Mr Obama looks very much like a Chimp as the current Chimp. Why is it wrong to call one leader a chimp and not another? Have you heard the guy speak without his teleprompter? Why must I refrain from criticising Obama out of your personal sensibilities? Did you provide the same luxery for me and the people I support?

[Devastatin Dave]

Why is it that the only time I ever read or hear President Bush referred to as "chimp" is when a rightwing person wants to say something about Obama?

DevDave, if you want to find an insult that actually gets used on President Bush, try "Shrub." That's one that you will actually come across.

But why do you feel you need cover to refer to our first black President as a monkey? Surely you can do that without needing any excuse or protection.

Again the double standard....
Thanks for proving my point.

[Koga No Goshi]

Why? Mr Obama looks very much like a Chimp as the current Chimp. Why is it wrong to call one leader a chimp and not another? Have you heard the guy speak without his teleprompter? Why must I refrain from criticising Obama out of your personal sensibilities? Did you provide the same luxery for me and the people I support?

You know why, you're just being sarcastic and obtuse. Drawing comparisons between African Americans and monkeys has a very specific, biologically racist history in America.

And comparing Bush to Obama in speaking.... dear god. Seriously, get a better tack than that if you're going to troll.

[Lemur]

Again the double standard....
Thanks for proving my point.
You don't actually read anything I write, I take it, just hit some sort of macro on your keyboard that generates a standardized troll response?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why is it that the only time I ever read or hear President Bush referred to as "chimp" is when a rightwing person wants to say something about Obama?


http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bush%20chimp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[Devastatin Dave]

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bush%20chimp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Thank you

[Hooahguy]

i dont see why we cant call him "chimp." its a free country. we can call him whatever we want. but whether it is right to call him that, even though he doesnt really look like one, is the question.

[Koga No Goshi]

Americans who go around calling black men "chimps" mean a certain thing by it. And that's understood.

Several people around here would call me wildly partisan, and yet I don't refer to Bush as 'the chimp.' If you have some issue with his speaking skills or specific policies that's fine.... but I believe this specific faux outrage over "double standard" is a thinly veiled racebait troll.

[Spino]

Since Bush was called the "Chimp" all these years, among other less flattering things, will we have the same leniancy for the Chosen One? Will we be allowed the same extreme latitude on insulting the former President with the new guy or will no criticism be allowed without being branded "racist"? I guess we will find out?

I have this strange feeling that there will be a double standard. Call me a skeptic. Here's the test....

The new Chimp has named Rohm Emanual as his Chief of Staff. Is this a sign of things to come in the Chimp's administration?

Well he's already got the big ears down. Bush had the chimp-like upper lip but the haters still had to Photoshop his ears to make them appear more chimp-like.

Personally I prefer having Obama referred to as Barack Hussein Marx... for the Muslim Commie double whammy. Is it fair? Nope. But all's fair in love & war.


Why is it that the only time I ever read or hear President Bush referred to as "chimp" is when a rightwing person wants to say something about Obama?

DevDave, if you want to find an insult that actually gets used on President Bush, try "Shrub." That's one that you will actually come across.

But why do you feel you need cover to refer to our first black President as a monkey? Surely you can do that without needing any excuse or protection.

You have got to be f'ing kidding me! Were you on a mental sabbatical when Bush hating was all the rage? Was your evil twin/alternate universe double posting for you all those years? Over the last 8 years I've lost track of the number of caricatures and photoshopped pics of Bush depicted as a chimpanzee that have hit the net. Political cartoons, photoshopped pics, insulting references in forum posts. I can even recall there was some angry young Orgah from Germany who had a photoshopped 'monkey Bush' in his sig. You need to be more careful when applying a double standard...

But don't take my word for it... Google it!

Bush Monkey = Results 1 - 10 of about 950,000 for bush monkey. (0.11 seconds)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+chimpanzee

Bush Monkey Pics = Results 1 - 20 of about 579,000 for bush monkey. (0.04 seconds)
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bush%20monkey&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Bush Chimpanzee = Results 1 - 10 of about 589,000 for bush chimpanzee. (0.11 seconds)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bush+chimpanzee

Bush Chimpanzee Pics = Results 1 - 20 of about 93,800 for bush chimpanzee. (0.05 seconds)
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bush%20chimpanzee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[Koga No Goshi]

We are talking about someone who answered a question about what sovereignty means in the 21st century by defining the word sovereignty, Spino.

I mean, c'mon. Let's not pretend implications on Bush's quickness of wit were merely irrational, emotional hate.

[Dutch_guy]

Since Bush was called the "Chimp" all these years, among other less flattering things, will we have the same leniancy for the Chosen One? Will we be allowed the same extreme latitude on insulting the former President with the new guy or will no criticism be allowed without being branded "racist"? I guess we will find out?

Why would you even consider calling your new president a chimp ? Just because it happened to the most unpopular president in your history, or just because you can ?

:balloon2:

[Devastatin Dave]

Why would you even consider calling your new president a chimp ? Just because it happened to the most unpopular president in your history, or just because you can ?

:balloon2:

I thnk it could be a cool tradition. Think about it, the acronym CInC (Comander in Chief) will now mean Chimp in Chief. What fun....

So, shall we be expected to not only be allowed to say "Chimp", but will we not be allowed to treat the new Chim in Chief with the same utmost respect many on the left here have treated the currented. Man, I was depressed earlier, now my nipples are erect with anticipation to act with such disrespect to the office as many of you guys. I never realised how being so disrespectful to authority can be. Down with the system!!!:laugh4:

[Koga No Goshi]

I thnk it could be a cool tradition. Think about it, the acronym CInC (Comander in Chief) will now mean Chimp in Chief. What fun....

So, shall we be expected to not only be allowed to say "Chimp", but will we not be allowed to treat the new Chim in Chief with the same utmost respect many on the left here have treated the currented. Man, I was depressed earlier, now my nipples are erect with anticipation to act with such disrespect to the office as many of you guys. I never realised how being so disrespectful to authority can be. Down with the system!!!:laugh4:

You have a bitter, venomous, revised view of history. Yeah, no Dems were part of the what, 95% support ratings Bush had on 9/11, and similarly hugely high numbers for months afterwards... until he abused the trust and support to start wars and give the middle finger to the rest of the world. That's when we "irrational, unpleasable, emotionally unstable, vitriolically driven ideological lefties" bowed out of supporting Bush.

So.... get off the faux outrage horse. There is no parallel between how we reacted to Bush and your bitterness over Obama before the man has even taken office.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So.... get off the faux outrage horse. There is no parallel between how we reacted to Bush and your bitterness over Obama before the man has even taken office.

The democrats liked bush the day after the election in 2000?

[Hosakawa Tito]

The democrats liked bush the day after the election in 2000?

I think the honeymoon was over right after the "hanging chads party" in Florida.


The new Chimp...

And that's Mr. President Chimp, SIR, to you Dave, show some respect for pete's sake.

[LeftEyeNine]

I never want to be that much of a politically sunk kind of adult when I hit my maturity times.

God bless me from semi-insanity when I'll be looking for excuses to insult a politican I don't like. Oh Lord, please save my criticism skills.

Amin.

[Kralizec]

For better or worse, mocking a black person by suggesting he looks like a monkey will inevitably lead many to think that the author has racist intentions because of historical reasons. No matter how much you insist that it was really about his ears.

Any good cartoonist will always wonder how people will interpet it before submitting a drawing.

Compare the "lipstick on a pig" comment.

[Proletariat]

Just calling him a chimp isn't that big of a deal to me, but unless the guy turns out to be a real moron of a president it's not really gonna hold any water. You'll just get a lot of attention from self-righteous anti-racists who get off on pointing out 'biologically racist history in America.'

Seems kind of like a pointless fight to me, but not really a big deal.

[Koga No Goshi]

The democrats liked bush the day after the election in 2000?

No, but if people are going to throw around accusations of irrational Bush-bashing based on nothing and assign it to Dems... in the very same thread that they are asking if it's okay to call Obama a chimp the day after he is elected, the irony is a little thick.

[Koga No Goshi]

Just calling him a chimp isn't that big of a deal to me, but unless the guy turns out to be a real moron of a president it's not really gonna hold any water. You'll just get a lot of attention from self-righteous anti-racists who get off on pointing out 'biologically racist history in America.'

Seems kind of like a pointless fight to me, but not really a big deal.

Right, it's not a big deal to you, so leave it to us "self-righteous anti-racists."

[Devastatin Dave]

No, but if people are going to throw around accusations of irrational Bush-bashing based on nothing and assign it to Dems... in the very same thread that they are asking if it's okay to call Obama a chimp the day after he is elected, the irony is a little thick.

When the shoes on the other foot, I guess its not too comfortable huh? Please, allow me to enjoy your Chimp's victory.

[Koga No Goshi]

When the shoes on the other foot, I guess its not too comfortable huh? Please, allow me to enjoy your Chimp's victory.

On the contrary. It is you who will now feel what it's like to be disenfranchised by your own government in terms of political alignment. But, unlike you, my party is not vindictive and exclusive, and your party will not be forced into sub-basements to hold committee meetings, or threatened with the nuclear option.

So, welcome to 2000-2008 for Democrats, LITE MODE, "Conservative."

[Devastatin Dave]

On the contrary. It is you who will now feel what it's like to be disenfranchised by your own government in terms of political alignment. But, unlike you, my party is not vindictive and exclusive, and your party will not be forced into sub-basements to hold committee meetings, or threatened with the nuclear option.

So, welcome to 2000-2008 for Democrats, LITE MODE, "Conservative."

But I'm having fun with my "disenfranchisement" and you're just being bitter. You're not clinging to a gun or religion right now, are you?

[Koga No Goshi]

But I'm having fun with my "disenfranchisement" and you're just being bitter. You're not clinging to a gun or religion right now, are you?

Nope, again, this would be you. I'm quite calm.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

:nospam:

Mods:

Please terminate this thread with as much prejudice as you feel warranted. This is NOT adding to the general quality of BR discussion.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You all disgust me.

Am I happy with the election result? No. Do I see hypocrisies present in both sides? All the time. Do I bring them up? Sometimes, but not last night and not now.

I had hoped that after this election, being without the disputes that marred that of 2000 and to a lesser extent 2004, we'd be able to band together and support our President-elect, soon to be President, and hope that he'd do a fine job in leading the country. Instead, I check the Backroom today and I find 3 or 4 threads of the same old trollish :daisy: as if nothing has changed.

Come on, conservatives, we're better than this. The country means more than winning an argument or feeling better.

[spmetla]

When Obama starts doing stupid things as President I'll call it as I see it, though I'll probably stick to calling him foolish or stupid when he slips up. If you want to call him an ape, chimp, monkey, or whatever feel free. The fact is that you'll probably need to clarify your viewpoint so as to demonstrate that you merely hate the man and don't mean it in a racist context. If you don't feel like clarifying each time that you use it will be your own fault if people then think you a racist. I have enough friends that refused to vote for "a nigger" in my confidence though they would not say so in public and would likely think you as a member of their group. I recall the Clintons being called all sorts of things, I don't think Obama will be much different, though probably not Chimp.

It will be fun to see how the rabid anti-americans will make Obama=Hitler signs, never seen those with a black man yet. I'm also look forward to seeing the "truthers" and "worldcantwait" groups demonstrate against Obama and point him as part of the evil American scheme to oppress the world.

EDIT: @ GeneralHankerchief: Some of my conservative buddies on facebook are removing all obama supporters from their 'friends' list. Nothing like pouting, eh?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

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PLEASE....:dancinglock:

[Koga No Goshi]

:stop:

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PLEASE....:dancinglock:

Seconded, LOL. :yes::yes::yes:

[Sarmatian]

Meet the new chimp, same as the old chimp. :laugh4:

What's the big deal with chimp? Yes, it may have been used as a racist term, but in this instance it's clearly not the case. I my opinion people should be allowed to call him anyway they want. They can call him chimp, gorilla, polar bear, panda, black bear, great white shark...

It's clear that this is not the case of racism. People may use derogatory terms when referring to him because they don't like him, because they believe he will be worse than Bush, because they believe they're clairvoyant and think that they know he'll be worse then Bush or because they're just being mean. If Obama (or any other politician) isn't ready for that, he should have stayed out of politics. People have a right to have a bad opinion about him, even though he's still not in the office... It is silly to do that, but hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.

[Devastatin Dave]

I'm still confused. Why can I not be as insuting and repulsive in my discussions as the liberals have been in the past 8 years? Why is it now "spamming" when having a legitamit discussion about the double standards to the respective chimps in this discussion? I really love the how all the suddon its wrong to speak ill of those in power when it was some kind of bagde of honor to act completely disrespectful to those in power for the past 8 years. This is classic. Sure, close the thread, all it will do is prove the point. Again, I find it gut-ripping hilarious listening to the fake outcry of some of you guys...

[Spino]

...But, unlike you, my party is not vindictive and exclusive, and your party will not be forced into sub-basements to hold committee meetings, or threatened with the nuclear option.

~:shock::inquisitive: :laugh4: :dizzy2:

It is hysterical gems like these that make me keep coming back to the Backroom for more abuse. I can't get enough! :2thumbsup:

[Hosakawa Tito]

You all disgust me.

Am I happy with the election result? No. Do I see hypocrisies present in both sides? All the time. Do I bring them up? Sometimes, but not last night and not now.

I had hoped that after this election, being without the disputes that marred that of 2000 and to a lesser extent 2004, we'd be able to band together and support our President-elect, soon to be President, and hope that he'd do a fine job in leading the country. Instead, I check the Backroom today and I find 3 or 4 threads of the same old trollish :daisy: as if nothing has changed.

Come on, conservatives, we're better than this. The country means more than winning an argument or feeling better.

Will you please stop trying to be mature, gracious and and and reasonable! Heaven forbid it might rub off on some.:shame:



Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi
...But, unlike you, my party is not vindictive and exclusive, and your party will not be forced into sub-basements to hold committee meetings, or threatened with the nuclear option.


:scastle3:

[gaelic cowboy]

The man is not even in the door of his new gaff and already there is a flame war on here.:dizzy2:

He only deserves to be criticised when he actually is in office an he is doing stupid things he aint done any things in office yet so criticism is a bit premature.

An bringing up Bush does not count cos two wrongs don't make it right if yer annoyed Obama won thats is your problem apparently millions of americans had no such problem and from the looks of the electoral map they were everywhere.

[Hooahguy]

i think this thread has done its time.... :dancinglock:

[Devastatin Dave]

Yes please close the thread, obviously one side of the political spectrum is completely unable to look in a mirror. :2thumbsup:

[Koga No Goshi]

Yes please close the thread, obviously one side of the political spectrum is completely unable to look in a mirror. :2thumbsup:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Papewaio]

A) If you are going to call him the President Chimp you will have to distinguish him from the other one much like Bush Snr vs Jr.

B) Digs and insults should were possible be original and relevant to the candidate. Bush gets called Shrub... that is both, he also gets called a Chimp because it is relevant to his mannerisms and speech impediment (I think it is rude because he is obviously intelligent but has communication problems).

C) Don't use insults that have any religious or racial connotations for the candidate in question. Sure you can call Bush a Chimp because of his mannerisms, but because of prior racial statements calling a man who identifies himself as African+American has racist connotations. Like calling Conny Chung...Ms Ching or some other thing that could dubiously be seen as racist.

Thread closed, please think and come up with witty remarks that have no racist double meanings attached.