Its that time again! Whats your favourite [Hoplite] unit?

[Celtic_Punk]

Except this one has a twist. What is your favourite hoplite unit. early triarii count. they are pretty much hoplites in a different name. but dont hold a spear to the Classical hoplites.

Mine would have to be.... Massalian hoplites. Though I rely on my Spartans to get the job done, Massallians do it looking badass. That helmet looks so well done, you can see the grit on the Iron of the helm! Longswords+Hoplitesheild and spear + good ol' celtic bravery = badass.

[SpawnOfEbil]

Ekdromoi Hoplitoi.

You get more men, and (iirc) their stats are about the same as classical hoplites. Plus, you can get them earlier.

[Aemilius Paulus]

early triarii count. they are pretty much hoplites in a different name.
Good, because they are my favorite hoplite unit!:
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/romani/roman_early_triarii.gif


but dont hold a spear to the Classical hoplites.

What exactly do you mean by that? Greek Classical Hoplites are my second favorite unit, and the reason why I chose to include them in my post is because the Triarii have a very limited AOR, whereas the Classical hoplites are found in quite a bit of different places:
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/greece/rebel_hoplitai.gif

EDIT: If everyone posted pictures of their favorite units, this thread would look much nicer. If that's OK with Celtic_Punk of course.

[MerlinusCDXX]

Ok, I'll start

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/celtic/rebel_mist_keltohellenikoi.gif
Kelto-Hellenikoi Hoplitai (I like 'em better with the Pontic skin though)


These Guys, the perfect mix of Hoplitai and Thureophoroi fighting style.

Aemilius Paullus beat me to it.

[Grriffon]

I'd have to go with Massalian Hoplites as well.


*flip top head Guiness guys voice* Hoplites with a sword? Brilliant!

[Legosoldier]

My favorite hoplite unit is the Sacred Band

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/kart-hadast/kar_dorkim_kdoshim.gif

[HasdrubalBarca]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/kart-hadast/kart_picked_libypho.gif

axes + spears + nice armor = me like

[Celtic_Punk]

hahaha nice one Grriffon

You must say the unit name AND post a picture from the website please.

Ill grab mine

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/gaul/rebel_massiloi_hoplitai.gif

to be honest this bloody pic does not do them justice. Just beware when you hire them as mercs, Expect high casualties till you get them good equipment and some experience. Which usually ends up with their numbers being thinned out.

Even still if they end up with only 25 men, Keep them behind the Phalanx/Battleline, then use them as a killing squad.

[hoom]

Indohellenikoi Eugeneis
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/baktria/baktria_indogreek_nobles.gif

[Celtic_Punk]

Well if yall are just gunna post your favourite hoplite... at least say WHY its your favourite. be it you like its colours or design, or performance in battle. Tell us how you best use them.

Like I said, Massalians are the some of the best hitsquads in the west.

[Ignopotens]

Giusim Aravim Tsfonim (Arabian Light Archer-Spearmen)

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/saba/saba_northern_arab_levy.gif

I had never played Saba until a couple days ago, these guys are battle winners for me. Absolutely tear up phalanxes from behind, even elites.

I don't use them as line infantry, but I have stopped a cavalry charge (by Ptolemeic bodyguards no less) or two when the chaos of battle left my rear area open. Held them long enough for better troops to get there, but I shudder to think what might have happened if they'd been standard archers.

[Maion Maroneios]

My favorite hoplite unit would be the good old Spartiatai:
http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/3/11/13/f_khspartiatem_e658365.gif (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/11/13/f_khspartiatem_e658365.gif&srv=img29)

My second favorite hoplite unit, being quite close with my first choise, would be the Epilektoi.
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/11/13/f_khepilektoim_b404a47.gif (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/11/13/f_khepilektoim_b404a47.gif&srv=img03)

Maion

[Zradha Pahlavan]

Hypaspistai
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/epeiros/epi_hypaspistai.gif

[Phalanx300]

Mmm, my favorite Hoplite unit? Its ofcourse, without a doubt, the Spartans!:2thumbsup:


http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/3/11/13/f_khspartiatem_e658365.gif (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/11/13/f_khspartiatem_e658365.gif&srv=img29)


Why? Well, I really find their way of life and culture fascinating. Among many other things. And also the fact that they were elite soldiers, maybe even the most elite ever. :yes:.

And I also like their stubbornness. And the fact that even when they were no important power anymore they still refused to bow down to their enemies.

:beam:

[Ibrahim]

I prefer this beast:

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/saka/saka_indogreek_nobles.gif

enough said-those guys rule the eastern hoplites...at least aesthetically.

[Grriffon]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/kart-hadast/kart_picked_libypho.gif

axes + spears + nice armor = me like

Oh God, I totally didn't think sacred band or liby-phoenecian axemen would count. These elite liby-phonecian axemen are quite probably my favorite unit in the game period, much less favorite hoplite.

Good call!

[Anastasios Helios]

Baktrion AGEMA!

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/baktria/bak_baktrioi_agema.gif

[Ibrahim]

Baktrion AGEMA!

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/baktria/bak_baktrioi_agema.gif

good call-those guys rock!

but i'll tell you now: me eugeneis will PWN your AGEMA!!!:clown:

[Anastasios Helios]

Those sound like fighting words...

[Pontius Pilate]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/romani/roman_early_triarii.gif


Hands down, the best hoplite unit ever.



EDIT: Damn, Aemilius beat me to it.

[Anastasios Helios]

This one is cool too :) Agema Hellenikon

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/saka/saka_agema_hellenikon.gif

[Ibrahim]

Those sound like fighting words...

:laugh4:

not really-I just like to mess with people.:clown:

[Zeibek]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/saka/saka_hoplitai_hellenikon.gif

I love steppe factions, and this is the most steppe-influenced heavy infantry there is. Granted, they will lose to Indohellenikoi Eugeneis, but that doesn't make any difference when my horse-archers are decimating them from behind :p

[Codyos Vladimiros]

This one is cool too :) Agema Hellenikon

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/saka/saka_agema_hellenikon.gif

Who gets these guys? They look awfully shiny....

[SwissBarbar]

i believe saka

[Aemilius Paulus]

i believe saka

Yes, you're right. You can only recruit them in two territories though.

[The Celtic Viking]

The Arjos:

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/arverni/arverni_arjos.gif

With Celtic longswords, chain mail and awesome shields, they don't just kill enemies in droves: they look damn good while doing so as well. In fact, it is IMO the best looking unit in the game, period.

[machinor]

Liby-Phoenician Infantry

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/kart-hadast/kar_liby-phoenician-inf.gif

Enabling me to kick Roman ass since 280 BC!

[Anastasios Helios]

The Arjos:

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/arverni/arverni_arjos.gif

With Celtic longswords, chain mail and awesome shields, they don't just kill enemies in droves: they look damn good while doing so as well. In fact, it is IMO the best looking unit in the game, period.

Do these really count as "hoplites?" They fight with spears and in what appears to be a phalanx, but there doesn't seem to really be any type of "hoplite influence" beyond this (ex: chain mail armor and the funkly looking shield)

[Zeibek]

They're more hoplite than the Arabian archer-spearmen which were posted already.

[Aemilius Paulus]

They're more hoplite than the Arabian archer-spearmen which were posted already.

Seriously, this is a hoplite thread, so Celitc_Punk is looking for spearmen who fight in usually a dense formation (unless they are Syrakousaian/Massalian/reformed hoplites), have round shields/thureos and again, usually holding the spear in an overhand manner (unless being reformed hoplites). Arjos are definitely not hoplites, just elite spearmen/swordsmen. The Sabean archer-spearmen were completely off-topic as well, much more so than Arjos. Whereas the posting of Arjos could have been accidental, the posting of the archer unit was complete defiance of the thread guidelines.

If someone wants to post their favorite no-hoplite unit, they can create another "favourite unit" thread.

[Anastasios Helios]

The Arjos could have been of an Alpine/Rhaetic influence which would have been of Etruscan influence, which would have evolved from some type of "hoplite" (like the Roman Triarii) so...sure it fits for this forum...arguably one could say that it has just been very "Keltisized" with the long sword, chain mail, and shield...voila

[Aemilius Paulus]

Meh, you're kind of stretching it there. There is a certain point in evolution where a certain object no longer bears enough resembles its origin to be classified in the same group. Arjos are just heavy barbarian spearmen or sworsmen who most certainly did not fight in a phalanx formation, which is what qualifies a unit to be called a hoplite. Maybe a shieldwall, but that is very different.

[Anastasios Helios]

Agreed...

[Foot]

barbarian isn't actually a valid classification on these forums. Arjos are a heavy celtic spearmen unit.

Foot

[Aemilius Paulus]

barbarian isn't actually a valid classification on these forums.
Foot

I wasn't using it as a classification. I am not one of those biased people who think Rome was everything and barbarians were savages, no matter what I sound like to you.

[Pontius Pilate]

barbarian isn't actually a valid classification on these forums. Arjos are a heavy celtic spearmen unit.

Foot


um, but isn't the mod called "Europe of the Barbarians"?

[Aemilius Paulus]

um, but isn't the mod called "Europe of the Barbarians"?

:laugh4:
Good point.

[Foot]

um, but isn't the mod called "Europe of the Barbarians"?

The understanding being that everyone is a barbarian to someone, thus turning the absolutist sentiment of barbarianism into a relativistic meaning .

Foot

[Aemilius Paulus]

I'm sure he was saying that in a joking manner(or merely half-serious), Foot, as was I in the following post.

[Kromulan]

Favorite HOPLITE??

Hmm. . . which dolts with sticks do I like. . .

I guess Red Sea Hoplites, because they are the first decent line infantry other than nobles or FM Saba gets.

OR,
Spartan bodyguards, because they stand and fight me while the rest of the dolts with sticks run away too quickly.

[Ignopotens]

Seriously, this is a hoplite thread

Uhh, my bad on the archer-spearmen, but neither the title of the thread nor the first post indicate this to be a hoplite-only thread. Celtic Punk's post right before mine only seems to suggest he just thinks you're only going to post hoplites. ~:confused:

[Pontius Pilate]

Uhh, my bad on the archer-spearmen, but neither the title of the thread nor the first post indicate this to be a hoplite-only thread. Celtic Punk's post right before mine only seems to suggest he just thinks you're only going to post hoplites. ~:confused:


Read this Ignopotens, it's the first post:


Except this one has a twist. What is your favourite hoplite unit. early triarii count. they are pretty much hoplites in a different name. but dont hold a spear to the Classical hoplites.

Mine would have to be.... Massalian hoplites. Though I rely on my Spartans to get the job done, Massallians do it looking badass. That helmet looks so well done, you can see the grit on the Iron of the helm! Longswords+Hoplitesheild and spear + good ol' celtic bravery = badass.

[Celtic_Punk]

Thanks for trying to keep guys OT Paulus. Yes this a HOPLITE THREAD! you want to do your own thread, theres the door.

Red Sea Hoplites? I must say I've never encountered them before... Please throw a picture up of them... if they are indeed hoplites

[Foot]

Yes, he's aware of that. However the title of this thread is quite clear: "Its that time again! Whats your favourite unit?" No mention of hoplites or anything that would suggest that the Arjos is not a suitable suggestion. How about people start making threads with thought out titles instead of expecting people to instantly understand a thread through careful reading of each post.

Leave Ignopotens alone and start looking to your own follies.

Foot

[Celtic_Punk]

Foot, i dont expect people to instantly understand, but when you see a million pictures of hoplites and if you took the 30 seconds required to read the first post (which might I add you should be doing anyway)

[Foot]

Foot, i dont expect people to instantly understand, but when you see a million pictures of hoplites and if you took the 30 seconds required to read the first post (which might I add you should be doing anyway)

Yet it would have been the easiest of changes to make sure that people were aware immediately, instead you jump on the first person to make an innocent, and understandable, mistake. And I might add what you should be doing is making threads with clear and concise titles. Clean up your own house before criticising others.

Foot

[Celtic_Punk]

I didnt jump on anyone... AP was doing the jumping, I just came around to do the mopping up action...

Whats your favourite hoplite foot? you've posted quite a few times and havent contributed, I demand to know!!!! :clown:

[Aemilius Paulus]

All right guys, that's enough. Both Foot and Celtic_Punk are right. Celtic_Punk is right that one should read the first post of the thread befre hastily rushing to post a response of their own. Looking at other post should also be a must, although this thread is an exception. This thread is not so much a discussion as a place to post something you like. That does not require any conversations.

Howver, Foot is right that a thread title should ideally be less ambiguous and more down-to-the-point. The title was deceptive, I agree. When I first saw the title I though it was just another favourite unit thread, of which we had thousands. One should also refrain from harshly criticizing people, although I did not think that Celtic_Punk or I "jumped on" or "attacked" anyone. To post without reading the guidelines or any of the previous posts is simply spamming and/or rude disregard of netiquette.

Lets get back on topic now that the argument is settled (hopefully).

[Aemilius Paulus]

AP was doing the jumping

Oh well, whatever; I'll just take the blame. Playing the pointing game does not lead anywhere...

It was a legitimate notification on my behalf, as this thread was and is about hoplites. Nor was it rude and I did not specify anyone in particular. Keeping the thread clean and on-topic is not "jumping" on someone, and if it is, then Foot is the biggest "jumper" since he is a moderator after all, whose job is to ensure that threads do not deviate from certain guidelines. Not to mention that out of all of us, Foot has probably got the shortest temper. Or he just gets tired of seeing people bad-mouth over and over gain, day after day until he snaps. Nevertheless shortest temper is his trait after all.

EDIT: Anyway, to get this thread back on topic, I'll just post another one of my favorite hoplites (or so I think since they use the phalanx formation and use spears) I know it is also "stretching it" but the EB description does say it uses the Greek phalanx and hope this is enough :sweatdrop::
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/alps/rebel_mori_gaesum.gif

Hoplitai (Greek Classical Hoplites) are my second favorite (after Triarii) because they are available in so many places. However, in the Northern Europe, in places like Gaul, Britain and Germania, the closest place where I can find a hoplite unit is in Helvetia, and the unit is Mori Gaesum.

[The Persian Cataphract]

I'll give the Persianate heavy shield-bearers their plight:

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/pahlava/pah_kardaka.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/hayasdan/hay_kardaka.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/eastern/rebel_kardaka.gif
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/neareast/rebel_babylonian_heavy_infantry.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/hayasdan/hay_nakhararakan_tiknapah.gif

Paired with hard-hitting cavalry, these guys, when properly deployed serve not only as solid line-infantry but also as bait. I shouldn't even mention it, but they look totally sweet too.

Someone please give me a lip about these not being "hoplites". I'm begging for it. Literally.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Someone please give me a lip about these not being "hoplites". I'm begging for it. Literally.

They are clearly hoplites. One would have to be rather ignorant to flame you about that. Plus, my Mori Gaesum was much more controversial than your hoplites. Especially since the top three were clearly hoplites. They were specifically copied from the Greek hoplites. Now the bottom three are definitely more arguable, although their EB description does say that they were influenced by hoplites.

[Foot]

It was a legitimate notification on my behalf, as this thread was and is about hoplites. Nor was it rude and I did not specify anyone in particular. Keeping the thread clean and on-topic is not "jumping" on someone, and if it is, then Foot is the biggest "jumper" since he is a moderator after all, whose job is to ensure that threads do not deviate from certain guidelines. Not to mention that out of all of us, Foot has probably got the shortest temper. Or he just gets tired of seeing people bad-mouth over and over gain, day after day until he snaps. Nevertheless shortest temper is his trait after all.

You are right, I really shouldn't get involved in the forums.

See you guys later.

Foot

[The Persian Cataphract]

They are clearly hoplites. One would have to be rather ignorant to flame you about that. Plus, my Mori Gaesum was much more controversial than your hoplites. Especially since the top three were clearly hoplites. They were specifically copied from the Greek hoplites. Now the bottom three are definitely more arguable, although their EB description does say that they were influenced by hoplites.

Actually, none of them are technically hoplites; tactically they were never used like Grecian heavy-infantry, in particular as far as the formation is concerned. Instead, these were all hoplite-influenced variations of the previous Near Eastern shield-bearer tradition, using a similar panoply to Greek mercenary hoplites. None of these soldiers wield the doru-spear. They were furthermore tactically deployed in the decimal organization and would likely still feature the Achaemenid-style leadership designated per company of one of ten men, and from there a battalion of one of ten of a hundred men and so forth.

What they do have in common is the resemblance of panoply, and how they were deployed in tight-knit formations locking shields; not necessarily because of emulating hoplite tactics but because there is an even older tradition of Assyrian heavy infantry locking their shields and that even wicker-pavise bearing archer-contingents did the same. They are very similar to the Classical Grecian hoplites, but still yet in a different way from the Graeco-Macedonian Hypaspists, who too were armoured infantry but were tactically deployed very differently during the Alexandrian era. How do we define the hoplite for starters? Do we just look at their shields and say "Hey, that looks nice, big and round, he's a hoplite!". No, there is more to the nomenclature, but for convenience we call them "hoplites" due to the resemblances of their arms as represented through the RTW-engine. In real life, the subtle differences might have been enough to distinguish between the types.

[Aemilius Paulus]

How do we define the hoplite for starters? Do we just look at their shields and say "Hey, that looks nice, big and round, he's a hoplite!". No, there is more to the nomenclature, but for convenience we call them "hoplites" due to the resemblances of their arms as represented through the RTW-engine. In real life, the subtle differences might have been enough to distinguish between the types.

How right you are. So how would this definition, that I posted earlier, fit in your opinion?

[soldiers] who fight in usually a dense formation (unless they are Syrakousaian/Massalian/reformed hoplites), have round shields/thureos and again, usually holding the spear in an overhand manner (unless being reformed hoplites)
I will also add that hoplites must have interlocking shields, utilize the "push the person in front of you with your own shield" technique. Any unit that fits, say, two of these things can technically be called a hoplite.

To be a hoplite, a soldier must ideally fight in the Greek phalanx formation. A hoplite-style soldier on the other hand has similar equipment to hoplites but does not fight in a traditional phalanx formation. Keep in mind that this is for EB purposes only. Historically speaking though, a hoplite is usually defined as a Hellenic soldier who employs the spear (not pike!) phalanx formation. From the EB point-of-view, the definition would be different though, including anyone who either shares equipment or uses the formation, but with slightly differing equipment. I know it hazy and maybe a bit inaccurate, but better than nothing, eh? Personally, I like the Russian definition used by Russian military historians of a hoplite better, but I can't really translate that.

[Praetor Diego]

TPC, where do you get (and playing as wich faction) the 2nd and 3rd persian "hoplites"? :)

[Aemilius Paulus]

I believe it was Pahlava and Haysadan. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. Doesn't seem like any other nation could own them. Anyway, Praetor Diego, why did you say "2nd and 3rd". Do you know which nation the first belongs to?

[Praetor Diego]

I was pretty sure that the first one was from Pahlava. But to be honest I only used that unit in the custom battle, with the campaign EDU file insted the multiplayer one. So is the parthian one or a generic one. Not sure really, I will check it at home. :book:

[Anastasios Helios]

Thanks for trying to keep guys OT Paulus. Yes this a HOPLITE THREAD! you want to do your own thread, theres the door.

Red Sea Hoplites? I must say I've never encountered them before... Please throw a picture up of them... if they are indeed hoplites

Here you go....seriously you guys should cool it. Вы в частности Амелиус Палус. Вы являетесь слишком конфронтационными.

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/saba/saba_red_sea_hoplites.gif

[desert]

Thank Pyrrhos for Babelfish Translator. :beam:

[Aemilius Paulus]

Вы в частности Амелиус Палус. Вы являетесь слишком конфронтационными.[/IMG]



A hint that will really help you out in life: never rely too much on online translators. You can count on them to translate a single word, but not an expression. You kind of gutted the syntax there. The English word "are" translate into Russian as "являетесь", - eto pravda - that's true, but "являетесь" is not used like "are". What you should have said is "Вы слишком конфронтационными" or even drop the "Вы", as it is used in formal occasions, like "Usted" in Spanish. "Tы" is the normal form of addressing that is used in Russia. Oh, and one final note: Russian is considered a very difficult language to master, because you usually conjugate every word in the sentence, not just the verb, as it is for msot languages. There is also about 10 different conjugations for each word, and the conjugations are most often irregular. So you'll have to change your entire sentence before you sound like a true яussian!

Am I really that confrontational? Well try translating this: Amerkantsy i Anglichane slishkom lehko obizhautsa. Hehe, that's Russian written in a Latin alphabet. BTW, use Google Translate, if you aren't already; its better.

[Celtic_Punk]

Ok guys enough of the Off Topic conversation, lets keep it civil, and OT.

[Dutchhoplite]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/celtic/rebel_mist_keltohellenikoi.gif

To give my early Lusotannan army some muscle i added these. I love them :)

[Celtic_Punk]

I've used those guys a few times in my Casse campaigns, but they never really hold up that long... I guess they are better suited to a killing squad roll... Thats what ive found with the celtic hoplite-influenced regiments. They perform their best that way in my experience. till they get experience themselves atleast...

If anyone here hasn't already tried Massalians out please do, you will be amazed! without experience they wont hold their own, but once you get these babies some experience in the field they wont let you down. When I attacked Pergamon with a sub-par army, 2 units of 50 Massalians 100 spartans, 25 Samnitici Milites, and about 150 akonistai the attack failed, we got butchered when we crossed the gates, HOWEVER! our killing ratio was pretty good, more than 5:1 IIRC, I lost everysingle man in the battle but the last 3 were 2 massalians and 1 spartan. who fell in slow succession of massalian spartan massalian, the last soldier earned himself a silver chevron and proceeded to kill 17 men after his spartan friend died. Massalians earn their keep.

[Tyrfingr]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/gaul/rebel_massiloi_hoplitai.gif

The appearence of these guys are deceiving. Though they might look dull and uneffective, they are as excellent as tying enemy soldiers down for flankers to go around, or they can be the flankers themselves.

[Anastasios Helios]

A hint that will really help you out in life: never rely too much on online translators. You can count on them to translate a single word, but not an expression. You kind of gutted the syntax there. The English word "are" translate into Russian as "являетесь", - eto pravda - that's true, but "являетесь" is not used like "are". What you should have said is "Вы слишком конфронтационными" or even drop the "Вы", as it is used in formal occasions, like "Usted" in Spanish. "Tы" is the normal form of addressing that is used in Russia. Oh, and one final note: Russian is considered a very difficult language to master, because you usually conjugate every word in the sentence, not just the verb, as it is for msot languages. There is also about 10 different conjugations for each word, and the conjugations are most often irregular. So you'll have to change your entire sentence before you sound like a true яussian!

я не люблю русский язык, написанный в латинском алфавите. я использовал "вы" с тобои, потому что я хотел быть формальным, это было более вежливо. я очень не люблю использовать родительный падеж. это очень трудный!

[Celtic_Punk]

please keep on topic... theres no reason to continue that stuff man. if you wanna talk about w/e you guys were on about, do it thru PM's not publicly on a thread that really has nothing to do with it.

[The Celtic Viking]

Seriously, this is a hoplite thread, so Celitc_Punk is looking for spearmen who fight in usually a dense formation (unless they are Syrakousaian/Massalian/reformed hoplites), have round shields/thureos and again, usually holding the spear in an overhand manner (unless being reformed hoplites). Arjos are definitely not hoplites, just elite spearmen/swordsmen. The Sabean archer-spearmen were completely off-topic as well, much more so than Arjos. Whereas the posting of Arjos could have been accidental, the posting of the archer unit was complete defiance of the thread guidelines.

If someone wants to post their favorite no-hoplite unit, they can create another "favourite unit" thread.

The unit description of the Arjos say they fight in a phalanx, ergo shieldwall, ergo hoplite-fashion. If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.

[desert]

https://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/desertSypglass/kh_greek_general.gif

Basically the best hoplites in the game stat-wise (identical to Epilektoi), available from the beginning, and very cheap.


On a side note, I spoke Russian much more fluently when I was three than right now.
For example, in transliterated Russian, I would say the above as "Moi russky kagda mne bilo tree gada lutshe chem shas". Terrible, isn't it? I also can't read Cyrillic. :embarassed:

[Aemilius Paulus]

The unit description of the Arjos say they fight in a phalanx, ergo shieldwall, ergo hoplite-fashion. If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.

Really? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of that. That's funny. I remember reading the EB description about them and I do not remember anything about a phalanx mentioned there. I'll take your word for it though, I'm sure you're right.

Anyway, I didn't think my Triarii were so controversial. I mean they are almost identical copies of the Greek Classical Hoplites (not the EB unit, just old-style Greek hoplites in general). Now the Mori Gaesum I subsequently posted were arguable, but why did you say "If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos." You could have argued "If Mori Gaesum are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.", but why Triarii? Also, Celtic_Punk specifically said that we could post Triarii, which he was absolutely right to do so.

[Celtic_Punk]

fine Ajros or w/e count, they look close enough, its just teh shield thats not spot on...

[HasdrubalBarca]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/kart-hadast/kart_picked_libypho.gif

axes + spears + nice armor = me like

Elite Liby-Phoenicians

[The Celtic Viking]

Really? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of that. That's funny. I remember reading the EB description about them and I do not remember anything about a phalanx mentioned there. I'll take your word for it though, I'm sure you're right.

Anyway, I didn't think my Triarii were so controversial. I mean they are almost identical copies of the Greek Classical Hoplites (not the EB unit, just old-style Greek hoplites in general). Now the Mori Gaesum I subsequently posted were arguable, but why did you say "If Triarii are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos." You could have argued "If Mori Gaesum are accepted, then I see absolutely no reason to exclude the Arjos.", but why Triarii? Also, Celtic_Punk specifically said that we could post Triarii, which he was absolutely right to do so.

I chose Triarii exactly because CP said they were allowed. I don't find anything wrong with that, but if they're in, I don't think it's right to exclude the Arjos, Mori Gaesom or any other unit that fight like the hoplites.

Regarding the difference in shield, notice how the K-H Hoplitai have different shields as well - yet they still counts as hoplitai, do they not?

[Celtic_Punk]

well thats because they are updated hoplites, invented by the people who invented hoplites.

but you must draw the line somewhere.. . The celt-hellenic hoplites and arjos are where i will

[gamegeek2]

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/arche-seleukeia/seleukid_hypaspistai.gif

'Nuff said. If you're talking real Hoplitai, the Keltohellenikoi are the way to go.

FYI, Massaliotai use the same model as Hypaspistai. Just look at them.

[Maion Maroneios]

Hey, I didn't know we could pick hoplite-like units... Then I'd have picked the Hypaspistai as well :P Anyway, what is going on here, are we turning this to a English-Russian thread or something? Not wanting to sound offensive in any way, mind you. Just asking, as I could start typing Greek for instance but don't know if it would be that well-recieved:sweatdrop:

Maion

[Ibrahim]

I'll give the Persianate heavy shield-bearers their plight:

https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/pahlava/pah_kardaka.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/hayasdan/hay_kardaka.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/eastern/rebel_kardaka.gif
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/neareast/rebel_babylonian_heavy_infantry.gif https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/hayasdan/hay_nakhararakan_tiknapah.gif

Paired with hard-hitting cavalry, these guys, when properly deployed serve not only as solid line-infantry but also as bait. I shouldn't even mention it, but they look totally sweet too.

Someone please give me a lip about these not being "hoplites". I'm begging for it. Literally.

I'd have to agree with the shipri tukul in this one. I dunno about the rest, I never used them.

[Intranetusa]

I'd have to agree with the shipri tukul in this one. I dunno about the rest, I never used them.

I absolutely love those Persian-mercenaries with the coat of plate armor and the spear + mace.

IMO, they are the epitome of the standard mercenary unit. Same goes for Messlinian hoplites with the spear + sword.

Maybe it's because they have a spear and a backup weapon and they're equally good in both...making them good against both infantry and cavalry.

Jack of all trade mercs ftw. :D

[penguinking]

Persian hoplites are quite good. I use them as my basic infantry in my Hayasdan campaign, and they've proved quite effective. They're versatile and can defeat many different types of units, have pretty good armor plus high morale. All this makes them excellent at holding a line.

[Anastasios Helios]

Hey, I didn't know we could pick hoplite-like units... Then I'd have picked the Hypaspistai as well :P Anyway, what is going on here, are we turning this to a English-Russian thread or something? Not wanting to sound offensive in any way, mind you. Just asking, as I could start typing Greek for instance but don't know if it would be that well-recieved:sweatdrop:

Maion

Μπορώ να μιλήσω ελληνικά λίγο. Είναι η αγαπημένη μου γλώσσα! :yes:

[Celtic_Punk]

I find the best Tactic for hoplites(the job is best done by Classical hoplites, or one's fighting in that fashion) is 1 or 2 Phalangites in the middle, with Classical hoplites (job best performed by spartans haroo!) on their flanks, at least 2 on each, and then to top it off 1 Massallian hoplite on each of those flanks. Missiles behind the phalanx, usually akonistai flanked with Peltastai, and maybe a unit of archers or slingers. Cavalry or (in my case because KH cavalry is left to be desired) some sort of exellent infantry to serve as flankers, such as men with falxes.
mmmmm falxes! hacked limbs mmmmmm

[The Celtic Viking]

well thats because they are updated hoplites, invented by the people who invented hoplites.

but you must draw the line somewhere.. . The celt-hellenic hoplites and arjos are where i will

The keltohellenikoi hoplitai are, to paraphrase the unit description, "Celts fighting in Celtic manner". They're not updated hoplites, and they were not "invented by the people who invented hoplites". They're Celts influenced by Hellenic culture.

Of course you must draw a line somewhere, but it can't be arbitrary. Either what shield you have matters, or it does not. It can't matter for one unit, but not for another.

[Celtic_Punk]

I was talking about the hellenic hoplites with longer spears n lighter armour lol

[Ibrahim]

I was talking about the hellenic hoplites with longer spears n lighter armour lol

ekdromoi or iphikratous?

[gamegeek2]

I was talking about the hellenic hoplites with longer spears n lighter armour lol

I suppose they're more popular among the female population of the people they conquer.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I suppose they're more popular among the female population of the people they conquer.

Huh? :inquisitive: Can you explain?

[Pontius Pilate]

Huh? :inquisitive: Can you explain?


um, well you see...it is kind of hard to explain...:belly:

[Ibrahim]

Huh? :inquisitive: Can you explain?

think metaphorically.:laugh4:

[Hax]

Artashtar Kardakan are horrible. Really, they fail hard..or so they did in my Hay campaign.

[Andronikos]

I really like the Indohelenikoi ones. They are the best looking unit in the east, not to mention one of the strongest infantry there. The blue and gold combination and the ichtyocentaur - simply awesome. So my vote here.

There are other good - greek general, hypaspistai, it is hard to choose one, because this cathegory contains some of the most effective and beautiful units.

The 2nd and 3rd persian hoplite belongs to Hayasdan and Eleutheroi, the first one is Pahlavan (I consider this one as the black sheep, the rest two are nice, but this one's face with huge ears - what is it? Some deity or just a face?)

[Ca Putt]

The Massilian Hoplite is my favorite aswell, mainly because of his appearance and the connection of Celtic and Hellenic culture(and his sword :D ) but still I've got fairly few of them in my ranks due to problems of public order and seige in Massilia and just started building the appropriate MIC. :(
my second place clearly take the Spartans, which are much more common in my lines and already won me a lot of battles.

but alltogether I'm rather fond of more or less all Hoplite units, which could be related to me playing Konion Hellenon, most of the time :D

[gamegeek2]

Huh? Can you explain?

Aemilius, this is probably a sign of one of these

1 - You spend too much time playing EB
2 - You don't live in the US
3 - You're out of school
4 - You've never heard the phrase "that's what she said."

Oh, and about the Kardaka-e Arteshtar - Just hire Thureophoroi, one of the most generic and awesome EB units, they're just so iconic, and exemplify so much that makes EB awesome.

[Maion Maroneios]

Μπορώ να μιλήσω ελληνικά λίγο. Είναι η αγαπημένη μου γλώσσα! :yes:
Ενδιαφέρον! Say, what is your mother language actually? I mean, you speak Greek a little so you should have some ties with Greece (at least I think so). My guess would be... Russian-Pontic? Or maybe an homogenes?

Maion

[Ibrahim]

Aemilius, this is probably a sign of one of these

1 - You spend too much time playing EB
2 - You don't live in the US
3 - You're out of school
4 - You've never heard the phrase "that's what she said."

Oh, and about the Kardaka-e Arteshtar - Just hire Thureophoroi, one of the most generic and awesome EB units, they're just so iconic, and exemplify so much that makes EB awesome.

1 and 2 are definitly true...he's in Russia(?), and he plays EB too much:clown:

[Celtic_Punk]

he lives in Florida.


I'm gunna post a few rules just so people know

Your post about your favourite(s) must include:
1: A picture, preferably from the europa barbarorum mainsite
2: Why the unit(s) is/are your favourite
3: How do you use the unit(s) in battle
4: Post the name of the unit. Not all of us know all the units just by looking at them. You can obviously get away with posting a picture of Spartans and we'll know by the lakonian V but still. please post the name.