Benefits of schools

[Gunzak]

How much of a benefit does a school provide to a new faction general? How long should they be in the territory to get an education? Do they have to be the ruler of the province or do all generals receive the same benefit? Is there a much bigger benefit to having a library or academy?

What I typically do is build schools in every territory I can and usually have all my new generals in the same territory to train up for a few years but I definetely see some big benefit if the person is also the govenor of the province. I have some govenors that have like +7/8 for both management and influence after a about 5 years as a govenor while the young generals in training never get anything like that even with the same time in a province with a school and with good traits.

Can schools also provide bad traits? I had a young general in a province with a school for a few years and afterwards he got a -4 to unrest from bad traits he picked up. I could use him to attack territories but if he was a govenor it would case huge unrest penalties.

[ludwag]

I planned to ask just the same. Allways wondered about stuff like that.

[Cute Wolf]

You must think reallisticallyyy...:beam:

In most school and university, there was bullying, cheating, fighting, put pranks on teachers, peeking into the girl's changing room/toilet, copying homeworks, smoking and drinking beers behind classes, sleep in the class, share porn with friends, stealing girl's underwears, and etc... the same just as realistically happned in Ancient school in Athena, Alexandria, or Roma... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Just don't be surprised if your FM got some bad traits in school:smash:

[SwissBarbar]

did the girl go to school at all? lol

[Cute Wolf]

Historically, the roman and greek girls are goes to school too:book:... they only dropped out earlier because they will be married... if they don't in EB, I'll bet that the school for FM has at least some slave-girls to clean up the boys' mess,... they can be the initiator that give the pervert traits...:laugh4:

::birthday2: it was partytime in school for our 16 years old Didius Manius Vitulasius

[Gunzak]

Not quite sure how chasing after girls panties and bullying helps answer my question but thank you for the advice :)

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Schools effect traits and ancillaries of generals within the city (all the generals not just the one who is governor). The higher the level of school the better / higher-leveled traits and ancillaries you can get. You can get bad traits from schools as well, usually things like "bookworm" and the like which make them a bad military leader.

[zooeyglass]

How much of a benefit does a school provide to a new faction general? How long should they be in the territory to get an education? Do they have to be the ruler of the province or do all generals receive the same benefit? Is there a much bigger benefit to having a library or academy?

What I typically do is build schools in every territory I can and usually have all my new generals in the same territory to train up for a few years but I definetely see some big benefit if the person is also the govenor of the province. I have some govenors that have like +7/8 for both management and influence after a about 5 years as a govenor while the young generals in training never get anything like that even with the same time in a province with a school and with good traits.

Can schools also provide bad traits? I had a young general in a province with a school for a few years and afterwards he got a -4 to unrest from bad traits he picked up. I could use him to attack territories but if he was a govenor it would case huge unrest penalties.

- A school will benefit a faction general or any FM if they spend time in the settlement where the school is. How much is hard to quantify though. But a good couple of years is advised - 8 - 10 turns to really start seeing them gaining traits and ancillaries.

- They don't have to rule a province to gain benefits from a school, but I believe that the governor might gain more traits/ancillaries than non-governors - I am still testing this out.

- Bigger the school (i.e. academy/library), more benefits to gain.

- If you are building up schools in every territory, you don't need to keep all your new FMs in one territory - any settlement with a school will work.

- As already noted, you can gain bad traits like bookworm and a few others from excessive training.

[Gunzak]

The reason I placed a school, library or academy in every city was to try and give even more training to the govenors of each settlement. I don't know how much benefit it had overall but I did see some amazing generals after about 5 years from ruling a settlement with a school.

I also got some amazingly bad govenors too. I had one that had a -4 happiness penalty from bad traits. He had descent management and influence but with so much negative happiness cities would go from green to red with him incharge.

[Intranetusa]

Historically, the roman and greek girls are goes to school too:book:... they only dropped out earlier because they will be married... if they don't in EB, I'll bet that the school for FM has at least some slave-girls to clean up the boys' mess,... they can be the initiator that give the pervert traits...:laugh4:

::birthday2: it was partytime in school for our 16 years old Didius Manius Vitulasius

Umm...no, I believe Roman and Greek girls did not go to school. If they lived in a rich family, then they were taught by slaves or servants to read/write, but they were not allowed to formal schools. They mostly learned how to become housewives.

[Cute Wolf]

Sorry for my previous dirty-minded posts:oops:, but now I'm going to tell the serious one...

Yesterday, I try to put 3 recently comes of age FM (16, 17 & 17 years), and put them in one school in Alexandria (I play Ptolies)... The city already had governor (their uncle), but after spent 9 or 10 turns, the juniors surpassed their uncle in terms of management and influence (they got 5-6, their uncle only had 2... the juniors only get 0-1 when they comes to age)... it looks like that school will affect all of their students, regardless of governorship... (can you believe that a 58 years old uncle can compete in education against highschool students, if he is not a professor?):laugh4:

@ intranetusa
roman and greek girls goes to school if they are upper-middle class family, the nobility though prefers to keep a private teacher for them, i just recenty read... thanks:book:

[ludwag]

is it just to keep the fms garriosoned, and they will go to school automaticly?

[everyone]

some of my FMs seem to loose their traits gained from the schools (in particular those of the GoodAdministrator; although I may be mistaken and that the GoodAdministrator is gained from constructing buildings); I had an FM in a Makedonian campaign staying in Sparte for 4 years for his Agoge, and Sparte having an academy built in it, gained a "Superb Administrator" trait. however upon sending him out of town, while marching to another city; he seemed to have lost the trait (and the management scrolls, which are the only attributes he got).

[satalexton]

I only put the potential governors in places that have high lvl schools, generals get agoge or rebel swamping...nerds make terrible generals you know

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

So long after the fall of Sparte, and Lakonia being a satrapy for 25 years now and no more an "independent" polis, I roleplay that the Spartan Agoge has changed from that archaic lonely wolf thing to something more cosmopolitan and so I have built an academy in the city. Afterwards I traditionally send my FMs to Athenai for further experience, though I think I should change that and send them to Alexandria or something... Then I normally forget them there, until I have a queue of three to six 22 - 25 year old FMs in the city. Then I decide where to send them. I take that very important and it's normally a pain in the a** for me. :inquisitive:

[Intranetusa]

^ Ok. I just thought you were making up things due to your 'dirty-minded' earlier post. lol

[||Lz3||]

I only put the potential governors in places that have high lvl schools, generals get agoge or rebel swamping...nerds make terrible generals you know

pas toujours...

I've had a lot of... nerdy savages :inquisitive:

[Ca Putt]

I send all my FM's that cnme of age to greece to train in one of the academies there. tho tend to send most of them to sparta^^
when they compleate agoge, seem trained enouth to me or hit 20 I equip them with some elite troops from the homeland(mostly retrained spartans^^) and send them somewhere where I think I could use a general or a governer

[Cute Wolf]

Spartan agoge is a great waste of time... kicking rebel's is more worth it... (i only roleplay spartan agoge with spartan)... BTW, how to make the agoge training process faster? I know it was unrealistic, but can I play only 2 year complete agoge?

[Cullhwch]

Yeah, the agoge should really confer better benefits. +1 Command, TroopMorale, BodyguardValour, and Hitpoints might make it worth the sixteen turns it takes.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

:no: Who trusts a sixteen-year-old noob to lead 30,000 troops?

[tapanojum]

:no: Who trusts a sixteen-year-old noob to lead 30,000 troops?

Narnia :wall:

[Cute Wolf]

I trust my nice grandnephews and grandchildrens, trust is something must present in a nice family... at least they will get better experience to cut many scum-throats as early as possible.......... (but I rarely use them to take over important well defended regions, I ussualy use my 8-9 stars veteran to fight against 10 stars veterans...):laugh4:

But sometimes I roleplay to pretend an 16 years innocent military genius throw bloody field-massacre... they had a better chance to become a really strong generals if you train them to kill as early as possible.... Although I had to make some bookworms:book: in my family to govern my cities well and generate enough money for their cousin`s nice army...

Another favourite roleplay... an old 64 years grandpa calls for help from his besieged city... and his 16 years old grandson (that just leave his mommy) arrive with 2000 troops to slaughter the bad guys... the funny side is you got these mommy boy as chief general... his grandpa only as reinforcements, and didnt take the command at all (except for some grandpas advice in reality):laugh4: