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Lemur
11-29-2008, 14:38
I'm getting more than a little freaked out about the bailouts that are going around. Here's a comparative graph that shows the scale of the U.S. banking nationalization bailout:


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/bailout-pie.png
Disturbing ruminations from FT (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2e754acc-bcb3-11dd-af5a-0000779fd18c.html):


The Bush administration all but nationalised Citigroup, the world’s largest bank. For good measure it threw another, yes another, $800bn into the effort to thaw US credit markets. Everywhere you look, Keynes’s demand management is replacing Adam Smith’s invisible hand; printing money, a mortal sin under the fracturing Washington consensus, is the new prudence.

Something big is happening. What started out as a series of pragmatic ad hoc responses by governments and central banks is moving the boundary between state and market. Politicians are now overlaying expediency with ideology. Government is no longer a term of abuse.

Things could move still faster in the months ahead. With their myriad rescue schemes and loan guarantees, the US and British governments have nationalised their respective banking systems in all but name. The banks pretend they are still answerable to their shareholders, but it is a charade. They survive only with the explicit financial guarantee of the state.

Still, the markets remain frozen, starving business of the oxygen of credit. Unless things change soon, the politicians will have little choice but to take direct control, and quite possibly, ownership, of the banks. Nationalisation could be the first act of an Obama presidency. That at least would put some substance into all those loose analogies with FDR.

Thoughts? There seems to be an orthodoxy that no matter the cost, we must bail out these financial institutions. I don't see this being contested anywhere, which makes me nervous. Was the failure of Lehman really so deadly? Someone please explain to me why we aren't even thinking about allowing some of these banks to go into bankruptcy.

ICantSpellDawg
11-29-2008, 16:30
I'm getting more than a little freaked out about the bailouts that are going around. Here's a comparative graph that shows the scale of the U.S. banking nationalization bailout:


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/bailout-pie.png

Disturbing ruminations from FT (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2e754acc-bcb3-11dd-af5a-0000779fd18c.html):

The Bush administration all but nationalised Citigroup, the world’s largest bank. For good measure it threw another, yes another, $800bn into the effort to thaw US credit markets. Everywhere you look, Keynes’s demand management is replacing Adam Smith’s invisible hand; printing money, a mortal sin under the fracturing Washington consensus, is the new prudence.

Something big is happening. What started out as a series of pragmatic ad hoc responses by governments and central banks is moving the boundary between state and market. Politicians are now overlaying expediency with ideology. Government is no longer a term of abuse.

Things could move still faster in the months ahead. With their myriad rescue schemes and loan guarantees, the US and British governments have nationalised their respective banking systems in all but name. The banks pretend they are still answerable to their shareholders, but it is a charade. They survive only with the explicit financial guarantee of the state.

Still, the markets remain frozen, starving business of the oxygen of credit. Unless things change soon, the politicians will have little choice but to take direct control, and quite possibly, ownership, of the banks. Nationalisation could be the first act of an Obama presidency. That at least would put some substance into all those loose analogies with FDR.Thoughts? There seems to be an orthodoxy that no matter the cost, we must bail out these financial institutions. I don't see this being contested anywhere, which makes me nervous. Was the failure of Lehman really so deadly? Someone please explain to me why we aren't even thinking about allowing some of these banks to go into bankruptcy.

It is utterly insane. Our government has totally failed us and ruined us all.

I'm trying to find a graph that shows the change in GDP over the years.

We still have a healthy GDP compared to national debt. ND has skyrocketed, but not by an absurd margin compared to income. Isn't that important?

Alexanderofmacedon
11-29-2008, 23:42
The bad part is, we've screwed everyone else with us...:no:

naut
11-30-2008, 00:08
You dirty communists. ~;p

seireikhaan
11-30-2008, 02:50
You dirty communists. ~;p
I do feel dirty...

Our government has sexually assaulted the very meaning of what conservative is supposed to be. Fiscal pragmatism is now dead. The gov't, however, has seeming developed a bad case of necrophelia. :shame:

rasoforos
11-30-2008, 04:26
Soon a hammer and sickle will be added to the American flag and the president will grow a beard.

As for us Europeans we will need to ally ourselves with Russia to protect our western values from the new communist threat. :laugh4:




:elephant: :whip:


Seriously now, it seems (and this might change) that economies with more sensible forms of capitalism than the US are surviving this much better. The US seems to be trapped into having to save 'too big to fail' corporations and the danger of doing that is the fact that, at the moment, there is nothing better for a big corporation than to fail and get a hand on this sweet juicy stack of government money. But it cannot do otherwise...how can you let the citigroup fail? Someone has to be there to finance the economy when the bears give their place to the bulls.

Ironside
11-30-2008, 12:03
Have I missed something? :inquisitive:

Wasn't the bailout at 700 milliards (billions for you Americans) + an extra 100 in pork?

How did it grow to 4600 milliards all of a sudden?


Thoughts? There seems to be an orthodoxy that no matter the cost, we must bail out these financial institutions. I don't see this being contested anywhere, which makes me nervous. Was the failure of Lehman really so deadly? Someone please explain to me why we aren't even thinking about allowing some of these banks to go into bankruptcy.

Well, banking has been a cornerstone of the economy since about 400-500 years ago, so crashing that system seems to be a generally bad idea.

Husar
11-30-2008, 15:18
Have I missed something? :inquisitive:

Wasn't the bailout at 700 milliards (billions for you Americans) + an extra 100 in pork?

How did it grow to 4600 milliards all of a sudden?

My thoughts exactly.
Though I did hear about saving the auto industry that didn't seem to amount to that much either.

Lemur
11-30-2008, 16:12
Wasn't the bailout at 700 milliards (billions for you Americans) + an extra 100 in pork?
That was one bailout package. It does not include the AIG bailout or the Citigroup bailout, among other things.

LittleGrizzly
11-30-2008, 17:45
I heard a figure on the BBC claiming the final bailout cost for the financial sector alone could come to 8 trillon, that was all the various packages plus some other that where being discussed but not implemented yet...

By the looks on that graph i would reccomend a much bigger version of the marshall plan worldwide (with other rich countrys paying) a huge increase in NASA funding, and simply use the rest to loan to people from the goverment at fixed rates, maybe use some of the money to help reinvent failing car industry's for example, then in a few years maybe banks can step up and start lending money again.... this is probably unworkable but it sounds great in my head...

Fisherking
11-30-2008, 18:53
:2cents:
What a huge mess! We are having deflation, but with government stepping in look for some spin like deflationary-inflation… like the stag-flation of Jimmy Carter’s time.

What is more is that up to 20% of the money goes for bonuses for the top management that created the mess. I think that money would be best spent on jailing the lot of them.

During the Great Depression everyone crashed except Italy. Their dictator of the time called in all the bankers and said…you get the money you need to stay afloat but you tell everyone we are doing fine…no problems, you understand! Italy did fine. Everyone else floundered. Italy was no better off financially than anyone else but people thought they were. It is most perception. That being so…we are shooting our selves in the foot with the whole mess and unless the government does something about the pirates in the Federal Reserve it is not going to get any better. They are bailing out their buddies and the same with the US treasury…talk about a revolving door!

Nationalize the Federal Reserve and have the Government print the money. Perception! Get privet bankers out of the equation, and make the treasury account for where the money is going…secret deals are :skull:…just a license to steal!:smash:

Seamus Fermanagh
12-01-2008, 02:03
Conflation of issues:

Poor Credit regulation/Congress actively encouraging sub-prime mortgages.

Wall Street firms package sub-primes as a new "agressive growth" investment.

Mortgage value bubble starts to deflate, undercutting the "growth" expected.

Oil Price "push" hammers industry spending and encourages USA (and others) to pull back on private discretionary spending.

Foreclosure rates accelerate, Mortgage debt/credit crisis intensify.


Government "bailout" efforts not only include the 750bn bailout (+100b in pork) on top of the bailouts for Bear-Stearns and AIG (c. 300b), but also include the 3 Trillion in bonds floated over the last 8 weeks (The goal has been to flood the system with money and prevent runs on banks from ever occurring. Bank failures have not even come close to the failure percentages of the 1930s -- though the conditions for bank failure haven't been as ripe at any other times since).

This is the first time in a long time we've experienced reduction in bond value/yield at the same time as stocks have taken such a hit. There's been something of a rally in the last week from "Santa" and we can expect a bit more since Black Friday was 7% up over last year's, but it's a long way back to the highs of October 2007.

Gold is improving, but not by leaps and bounds.


Deflation is a distince possibility, and only moderate period of significant inflation can prevent it.

Sucks all around.

Papewaio
12-01-2008, 06:19
It would have been better spent on capital works.

The next Hoover Dam, a bigger NASA, more blankets and fresh water in the 3rd world... all of them aimed at generating a demand for infrastructure, knowledge and goodwill and all of them providing jobs... stimulate the economy by giving people money directly is welfare. What has happened is the biggest corporate welfare project in history, and they are still taking home bonuses!

Vladimir
12-01-2008, 18:42
Bigger NASA? Hell yea! Do you hear of these problems on Mars? Didn’t think so.

But no, seriously, get me the :daisy: out of here.

Seamus Fermanagh
12-01-2008, 21:24
Despite the best Thanksgiving weekend spending in several years, the market dropped again today. Its that kind of cycle.

Spino
12-01-2008, 23:42
Since we've officially been in a recession since December 2007 (?!? I guess someone forgot to send out the memo back in January) people no longer need to speak the 'R' word in hushed tones. I wonder how much longer we can hold off the inevitability of the coming of the 'H' word?

Here it comes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

Spino
12-02-2008, 19:14
I forgot to comment on the lovely pie charts. Nice find Lemur. Thank you for the pie. Who doesn't like pies? I prefer pecan...

I noticed they omitted our expenditures for WW2 which, even by today's standards, were gob smackingly massive. One thing for sure is we used to get a helluva lot more for our money.

Seriously now, is it even reasonable to think this is all going to work out for the best?

Just when you thought it was safe to feel optimistic... Here is a massive 'economic stimulus' bill from the glorious mind of Nancy Pelosi. This time in the tune of $500 BILLION dollars. And this bill isn't linked to any bank or car company bail-out. Of course that bill is bound to incur upwards of an additional $100 billion in earmark spending... I just love watching these post-war generation ninnies pi$$ our money away...

Mark my words, Obama's going to get alot of use out of that rubberstamp...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081201/us_nm/us_usa_economy_stimulus

Papewaio
12-03-2008, 00:56
Didn't the living standards for Americans increase during WWII? Or is that an Urban Myth?

woad&fangs
12-03-2008, 01:22
Didn't the living standards for Americans increase during WWII? Or is that an Urban Myth?

I really doubt that was true. There was a lot of rationing of stuff like meat and oil to supply the war effort. However, living standards did rise dramatically after the war.

edit: btw, how much is kiwiland being affected by all this?

Seamus Fermanagh
12-03-2008, 03:41
I really doubt that was true. There was a lot of rationing of stuff like meat and oil to supply the war effort. However, living standards did rise dramatically after the war.

edit: btw, how much is kiwiland being affected by all this?

The standard of living had dropped dramatically during the worst period of recession just before the war ('37-38), when we had more than 18% unemployment.

During the war, there was rationing, but virtually full employment with loads of people in the workforce who hadn't been before. We actually had more money in the economy, but between rationinng, bonds, and war taxes it didn't really get felt.

Shortly after the war, a series of tax-cuts, plentiful labor, fewer competitors etc. allowed the standard of living to sky-rocket.

rory_20_uk
12-03-2008, 16:22
Since then, as Europe isn't a wasteland, the communist block has fallen and many more countries are competing for work it is unlikely that the American standard of living wil be maintained for all.

The world's standard of living on average will increase, but this will probably be felt by those in India and China rising rather than in the USA.

As the Detroit 3 are illustrating, the downward pressure on salaries and benefits is partly due to other countries offering the same, if not better, products for less.

Americans expect their standards of living to drift up without effort, as it has done for the last 50 years. Debt has helped pay for this so far, it might not do so as easily int he future.

~:smoking:

Alexander the Pretty Good
12-03-2008, 22:02
Since we've officially been in a recession since December 2007 (?!? I guess someone forgot to send out the memo back in January) people no longer need to speak the 'R' word in hushed tones. I wonder how much longer we can hold off the inevitability of the coming of the 'H' word?

Here it comes...

It's interesting to me that the pronouncement actually hurts the market. I mean, if they can't tell if we're in one or not...

Hosakawa Tito
12-03-2008, 22:15
Funny that Congress demands a detailed business plan, cuts in executive pay & perks, labor concessions etc. from the automakers, but threw billions at Insurance & Banking firms with no such restrictions or strings attached. And of course the entitled masters of the financial world continued on their merry way, entitlements intact, and coal in everyone else's stocking. Is it really surprising some segments of society didn't realize a recession has been going on since 2007?

Seamus Fermanagh
12-03-2008, 23:09
Congress is a collection of cagey polls with VERY incisive minds for the politics of the situation.

When it comes to knowing anything about economics, Congres has VERY incisive minds for the politics of the situation.

Beren Son Of Barahi
12-04-2008, 04:46
I really doubt that was true. There was a lot of rationing of stuff like meat and oil to supply the war effort. However, living standards did rise dramatically after the war.

edit: btw, how much is kiwiland being affected by all this?

Considering he is from Sydney like me(not kiwiland/ New Zealand); i thought i would chip in. Australia is limited in its major exposure due to tight regulations on the banking and investment sectors. As such despite some bad overseas investments most of our banks are still well afloat. There has been a dramatic slow down in the economy. There is a certain amount of flex in our economy due to our massive resources supplies. Public works in other countries will likely help Australia by maintaining demand for coal/iron and other raw minerals.

I think the Australian Government has guaranteed all bank deposits for a set timetable as well as the Reserve bank has had some room to drop interest rates (from 8.0% or so) down to around 4.5% at the moment. up until mid this year interest rates were climbing to fight off inflation. I think a major reason why Australia can deal with such problems easier then other countries is a good balance between responsible interest rate management and balanced tax/spending enabling for being able to respond when needed without making huge dept or other such long term problems.

I can't help but to think all these problems are linked. More economic cars would enable people to spend more money on other things, it would make the cars more popular in other countries, it would make them cheaper to make. less public money would be needed to buy out expensive car operations. Better control of banking systems and spending would enable a more resilient economy. These are just examples but i think it helps to start joing dots when trying to understand something as massive as a global economic meltdown.



id like to hear others take on it.

CountArach
12-04-2008, 05:00
I think the Australian Government has guaranteed all bank deposits for a set timetable as well as the Reserve bank has had some room to drop interest rates (from 8.0% or so) down to around 4.5% at the moment. up until mid this year interest rates were climbing to fight off inflation. I think a major reason why Australia can deal with such problems easier then other countries is a good balance between responsible interest rate management and balanced tax/spending enabling for being able to respond when needed without making huge dept or other such long term problems.
Our big problem though is that we have almost no Infrastructure to help us take advantage of this - the previous government spent all the extra money on tax cuts. If China goes under (Which is quite likely) then there is no way for us to stay out of a recession. The public works projects in other countries is a good point that might indeed help us, but the big problem with that is that Europe can provide most of its own resources and America is unlikely to import to many resources from us. So again we fall back on our over-reliance on China.

English assassin
12-04-2008, 11:25
It would be interesting to compare the total scale of the banking bailout and other banking losses with the total dividends paid by the banks since, I don't know, how far back should we go? 30 years seems fair, that's a generation, and gets us back to the last big one.

Is it just me or do banks actually not make any money? It seems to me all they do is shift money from governments to shareholders, and timeshift the payments. When things are fairly stable, they make small (in percentage terms) profits running big risks that don't actually materialise, and tell themselves they are the New Gods of the economy. Then the risks materialise (risks paid for, if you like, with those profits made in the easy years, all of which have of course been paid out long ago), and they get bailed out. The profit was in effect a pre-emptive distribution of the bailout, but because it is shifted in time they get away with it. If I went to the government and said I wanted a big slug of taxpayers cash to pay to my shareholders right now I would never get it, why does it make any difference if I make the payout first, and then take my feckless backside off begging to the Treasury?

What I suspect is that banking just isn't an industry like car making, and, if market disciplines cannot apply (because a big bank cannot be allowed to fail) then nor should market incentives (fat bonuses and dividends). As a rule a fat return should be a price for a high risk and as we have all just had deomnstrated actually running a bank is a low risk activity.

LittleGrizzly
12-04-2008, 13:12
As a rule a fat return should be a price for a high risk and as we have all just had deomnstrated actually running a bank is a low risk activity.

I have been wondering about this, the whole excuse for high profits is the high risk they take.... without the risk... hell i would rather the goverment took this non existant risk stockpiled the profits and then used them when the crap hits the fan, that way we can still keep the banking industry going without having to spend taxpayers money on it when it goes wrong...

Nationalisation FTW!

naut
12-04-2008, 15:23
It would have been better spent on capital works.

The next Hoover Dam, a bigger NASA, more blankets and fresh water in the 3rd world... all of them aimed at generating a demand for infrastructure, knowledge and goodwill and all of them providing jobs... stimulate the economy by giving people money directly is welfare. What has happened is the biggest corporate welfare project in history, and they are still taking home bonuses!
I couldn't agree more. :bow:

Kralizec
12-05-2008, 18:47
What I suspect is that banking just isn't an industry like car making, and, if market disciplines cannot apply (because a big bank cannot be allowed to fail) then nor should market incentives (fat bonuses and dividends). As a rule a fat return should be a price for a high risk and as we have all just had deomnstrated actually running a bank is a low risk activity.

Agreed. I generally prefer a hands-off policy in economics, but if it can't be consistently applied by letting busineses go bankrupt when they :daisy: up, then :daisy: them. I'll take a regulated, stable market over the sort of corporate buffet that the USA seems to become.

Lemur
12-10-2008, 17:37
Warning: Image under the tag contains PG language.


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/20081209-the-bailout-shitty-cars.jpg

drone
12-10-2008, 18:21
Zing! :laugh4:

Seamus Fermanagh
12-10-2008, 21:53
Just to add to the cheerfulness (nice one, my proto-simian friend!), 4-week t-notes are trading at a negative yield on the secondary market -- for the first time in more than 60 years.

CountArach
12-10-2008, 22:51
Just to add to the cheerfulness (nice one, my proto-simian friend!), 4-week t-notes are trading at a negative yield on the secondary market -- for the first time in more than 60 years.
Can you initiate those of us who don't speak economics into what this means?

Seamus Fermanagh
12-10-2008, 23:01
One Month Treasury Notes (You pay X now, we'll give you Y back in one month)

are now trading at a negative yield (-0.01% interest)

on the secondary market (private investors among themselves AFTER the feds have sold to an investor)

So, for the first time in a LONG while, investors are paying $10,001 for something they expect to collect $10,000 upon in 30 days.

They only do this if they think the true loss will be more OR if the entire investment climate is so poor that this is a way not to lose too much but keep the money safe.

The "G" has absolutely FLOODED the market lately, pumping more than $3T over the last 75 days in order to have enough liquidity where no bank can fail because of a bank-run.

Unfortunately, the glut of T-notes makes it even more likely that inflation will bite us a bit, or (much worse) a period of actual deflation will occur.

CountArach
12-11-2008, 00:15
Thanks Seamus :bow:

Sounds like an aweful situation to be in - people actually investing in the hope they will lose less money this way than they will in another way.

Hosakawa Tito
12-11-2008, 01:39
Actually it's not really individual people, but large investors, banks, companies, mutual funds, that are afraid to invest in anything right now. They would rather lend to the government knowing that in 3 months they would not make back all their money. Their strategy; lose as little as possible for that year end balance sheet. If the return on the t-bill is less than inflation you are losing money in real purchasing terms anyway. It's just the psychological effect of this market climate.

Seamus Fermanagh
12-11-2008, 02:46
Actually it's not really individual people, but large investors, banks, companies, mutual funds, that are afraid to invest in anything right now. They would rather lend to the government knowing that in 3 months they would not make back all their money. Their strategy; lose as little as possible for that year end balance sheet. If the return on the t-bill is less than inflation you are losing money in real purchasing terms anyway. It's just the psychological effect of this market climate.

True, but those mutuals represent an awful lot of individual investors indirectly.

Tribesman
12-11-2008, 13:53
Could anyone explain why the financial bailout bill for the auto industry gives judges a pay-rise ?

Seamus Fermanagh
12-11-2008, 14:04
Could anyone explain why the financial bailout bill for the auto industry gives judges a pay-rise ?

It's a favorite tactic over here. Add a pet project or something completely different to a bill that "has" to pass so that it gets done without delay (or sometimes without review).

Doesn't the Dial use this charming approach? Or do they practice their political iniquities some other way.

Hosakawa Tito
12-11-2008, 14:27
Could anyone explain why the financial bailout bill for the auto industry gives judges a pay-rise ?


True, but those mutuals represent an awful lot of individual investors indirectly.

@ Seamus - Don't I know it. I'm one of those individuals with a lifetime of savings riding on my 457 deferred compensation plan through work, along with millions of others. Jumping into something safer now would lock in my loses and I would miss out on any recovery. Gotta keep the faith or resign to working till I'm 75.

@ Tribesman - It's the "Masters of Pork" way to piggyback unpalatable items to "sure to pass" bills that would probably not pass on their own merits. Senators and Congressmen voted themselves a bill awhile back to automatically receive COLA *cost of living adjustments* yearly. Federal judges receive them too, except when the legislators vote not to accept theirs for the year which they do on occasion. Considering there is a recession on, giving these judges *who make about $170 grand/year plus unimaginable perks* wouldn't exactly be popular or seemly even for a politician. Better to slip it through the backdoor in their eyes. The excuse for COLA's for these Feds being that Senators & Congressmen are working cheap compared to the lobbyists positions they could get, and the judges could make more as corporate lawyers or private legal jurists/counsel. It's a bunch of hooey...let them leave and apply for those great jobs says I. If they want raises bring it up for a vote every election year...yeah right, what was I thinking?

Spino
12-15-2008, 02:50
Man, it just gets better and better.

Remember that $500 billion 'stimulus package' I mentioned earlier in this thread? Well it done got a whole lot bigger.

How much bigger? Upwards of $500 billion bigger...

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE4BC1PV20081214?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true

Obama stimulus could reach $1 trillion: report
Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:04pm EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) - President-elect Barack Obama's team is considering a plan to boost the recession-hit U.S. economy that could be far larger than previous estimates and might reach $1 trillion over two years, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.

Obama aides, who were considering a half-trillion dollar package two weeks ago, now consider $600 billion over two years "a very low-end estimate," the newspaper said, citing an unidentified person familiar with the matter.

The final size of the stimulus was expected to be significantly higher, possibly between $700 billion and $1 trillion over that period, it said, given the deteriorating state of the U.S. economy.

Officials with Obama's camp have declined to comment on media reports about the size of the boost his administration might seek to give the economy through increased public spending and tax cuts.

Obama is due to take office on January 20.

Battered stock market investors around the world have taken heart from previous indications of how Obama's administration may seek to kickstart growth in the world's largest economy.

Obama has promised he will launch a massive public works program to help lift the U.S. economy out of recession.

The president-elect is likely to be briefed by his aides on the outline of the stimulus plan next week with a view to getting it passed by Congress by the time he is sworn in next month, the Journal said.

Economists have previously said they expect Obama to quickly sign a multi-year spending package that could be worth up to $750 billion, or almost 5 percent of U.S. gross domestic product.

The administration of President George W. Bush has been given authority by Congress to spend up to $700 billion in taxpayer money to rescue the nation's banking system.

The money was originally set aside to buy up toxic mortgage-backed securities but is now being used to recapitalize banks and induce them to lend more freely.

Can I hear $1.5 trillion? $1.5 trillion for this lovely & timeless stimulus package? $1.5 going once, $1.5 trillion going twice... $2 trillion from the Congressman from Massachussetts!

Lemur
12-16-2008, 22:42
As usual, the world's finest news source (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/700_billion_bailout_celebrated) nails it:

GEORGE TOWN, CAYMAN ISLANDS—Amid the bleak backdrop of imminent economic collapse, worried observers got some good news last October when executives from the nation's top 10 failing companies celebrated the historic $700 billion government bailout with an ultra- extravagant $800 billion party aimed at restoring confidence and bolstering their resolve.

"It's never ideal for private corporations to rely on public funding, but we would not have been able to survive another week without letting loose and throwing this massive bash," Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain said aboard his newly purchased $22 million yacht, the Excelsior. "We can only hope it's not a case of too little too late."

Three thousand guests were reportedly flown on 750 separate private jets to the Caribbean, where they commemorated the last-minute financial aid package—which saved their companies from the subprime mortgage crisis that has left thousands of Americans without homes—with 4-tons of Beluga caviar, $250,000 bottles of vintage Dom Pérignon served over precious gems, a 36-hour fireworks display, an additional loan of $200 billion to cover the costs of the gala, and a private concert for each attendee with rock legend Rod Stewart.

Held October 4–7 on all three of the Cayman Islands, the historic economic-stimulus celebration, spokespeople said, sent an important signal to the world that Wall Street was weathering the crisis in style.

Spino
12-17-2008, 18:30
As usual, the world's finest news source (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/700_billion_bailout_celebrated) nails it:

GEORGE TOWN, CAYMAN ISLANDS—Amid the bleak backdrop of imminent economic collapse, worried observers got some good news last October when executives from the nation's top 10 failing companies celebrated the historic $700 billion government bailout with an ultra- extravagant $800 billion party aimed at restoring confidence and bolstering their resolve.

"It's never ideal for private corporations to rely on public funding, but we would not have been able to survive another week without letting loose and throwing this massive bash," Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain said aboard his newly purchased $22 million yacht, the Excelsior. "We can only hope it's not a case of too little too late."

Three thousand guests were reportedly flown on 750 separate private jets to the Caribbean, where they commemorated the last-minute financial aid package—which saved their companies from the subprime mortgage crisis that has left thousands of Americans without homes—with 4-tons of Beluga caviar, $250,000 bottles of vintage Dom Pérignon served over precious gems, a 36-hour fireworks display, an additional loan of $200 billion to cover the costs of the gala, and a private concert for each attendee with rock legend Rod Stewart.

Held October 4–7 on all three of the Cayman Islands, the historic economic-stimulus celebration, spokespeople said, sent an important signal to the world that Wall Street was weathering the crisis in style.

Hey, we all have to make sacrifices. Just think, in happier times that would have been 8 tons of Beluga caviar, $500,000 dollar bottles of Dom Pérignon and 48 straight hours of fireworks...

That article must be confusing millions with billions. I seriously doubt they dropped $800 billion on a bash. I mean, for that money they could build personalized pyramids & triumphal arches made of gold for each of the top officers...

Husar
12-17-2008, 20:48
Are you trying to keep something up or are you not aware that this is an Onion article?

Lemur
12-17-2008, 21:59
I needed a crowbar to pry Spino's tongue out of his cheek. I think he was fully aware that I was quoting The Onion.

But isn't it funny how often The Onion nails difficult subjects? Sometimes the parodists speak more truth than the MSM. Example. (http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/im_not_one_of_those_love_thy)

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Speaking of which ...


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