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ULC

12-22-2008, 18:32

Mafia are stupid; they will make blatant mistakes. The only question is if they will be caught...

Ah, don't say that Reenk! I thought you made a smart mafia in the Prometheus :yes:.

But a quick question - is there a traitor and FBI agent? To me this wasn't made very clear. If we have both, then are they working together, or are they akin to two mafia families? Or, as has been suggested, one recruits, the other kills?

Hmmm, how bout I add something useful instead of just idle mullings about the nature of the mafia, and adding undue paranoia? What would happen if we never lynched at all? I mean, even if the mafia do recruit, they would start voting, or need to vote as a block or rather cunningly to win, otherwise suspicion immediately falls upon them. To me though, we should ignore that - not out of stupidity or just error, but rather because it may just lead us chasing ghosts, and letting the mafia laugh at us as we destroy ourselves in a fit of madness.

Shoot, I don't think I've added anything - I hate when all I have is my own private musings and nothing to go on, I sound like I am speaking in circles, or just mouthing rhetoric :wall: :wall:.

Dissect my post as usual at your own leisure. I'm going to go fall asleep and hope that my brain wakes up with me...

GeneralHankerchief

12-22-2008, 18:35

I'm with khaan on this one. Here's a transcript of what will happen if we all decide to vote no lynch:

Round 4
Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: Nobody lynched, nobody killed. Begin round 5.

Round 5

Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: ...

~~~~~~~~~~

Now, this may just be me, but the differences in posting behavior between Persons A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, and L aren't enough for me to determine who is mafia.

I'm down with some people voting no lynch, but there needs to be some sort of dissent and discussion or otherwise the above will happen. Ultimately it's just another easy bandwagon for the mafia to hide in.

woad&fangs

12-22-2008, 20:09

Mmm... No murder on night 1, is there someone among us thats really unactive recently?

Vote: Quintus.JC

Because he's tried to be very "middle-of-the-roadish" and I don't like his post after night 1.(see above). It's stated right in the opening post that it will be hard for the mafia to kill at first. Also, with 13 living people it would have been easy for him to check himself if someone has been fairly inactive. It looks like he was trying to steer the discussion in a useless direction.

Yoyoma1910

12-22-2008, 20:41

Apologies, QJC, you werent in the tally as an abstain..

That's because Quintus never made an actual vote last round. Unless I've overlooked something 5 times.

Chaotix

12-22-2008, 21:19

Hm...

Vote: shlin again.

I think that he's using his silly persona as a defense so that he can vote for anyone he wants, with really no reason. Just because he's attracting attention to himself does not label him as careless and therefore innocent. Right now, he feels the most suspicious to me.

Quintus.JC

12-22-2008, 21:37

Vote: Quintus.JC

Because he's tried to be very "middle-of-the-roadish" and I don't like his post after night 1.(see above). It's stated right in the opening post that it will be hard for the mafia to kill at first. Also, with 13 living people it would have been easy for him to check himself if someone has been fairly inactive. It looks like he was trying to steer the discussion in a useless direction.

I don't see anything wrong with my post on night 1, what's wrong with stating the obvious?

The discussion before I bumped in was what the message of 'El Diablo's face was riddled with bullets, as was his chest.' meant, you say I was trying to steer away from that discussion. But what has that message got to do with me? it doesn't link towards me in any way possible.

Your post on night 1 was pretty suspcisious too, if I may recall.

vote: Reenk Roink
because someone has to get the voting started.

Because someone has to get the voting started... that was your reason, and you didn't change your vote afterwards. If Reenk Roink was lynched that would be your reason for wanting to lynch him?

Reenk Roink

12-22-2008, 21:59

Ah, don't say that Reenk! I thought you made a smart mafia in the Prometheus :yes:.

I appreciate the kind words, but basically, I made the mistake of making my fake PM's contradictory with the hosts writeups. It's just that nobody but me noticed. :laugh4:

I'm not saying everybody no lynch's every round (that won't happen anyway). I'm just saying we have a good tool to delay the killings, let's use it when applicable. :grin2:

shlin28

12-22-2008, 23:02

That's because Quintus never made an actual vote last round. Unless I've overlooked something 5 times.

Exactly, Quintus kept his vote till the last minute, and even then his vote is terribly wrong. (It wasn't bolded and its in brackets...) Methinks this is very very fishy.

Keep pressure on Quintus people! (In my case the barrel of my gun :smash:)

To Chaotix: I am not careless, I was being stupid in the earlier phases because there was nothing to act on... But now, there is something suspicious about Quintus, and I am ready to hound him like a vigilante hounds a criminal.

Yoyoma1910

12-22-2008, 23:06

But a quick question - is there a traitor and FBI agent? To me this wasn't made very clear. If we have both, then are they working together, or are they akin to two mafia families? Or, as has been suggested, one recruits, the other kills?

Judging from the writeups, I definatly think we have an FBI agent, "Agent 824."

It also seems there is a traitor, unless that is the FBI agent.

There's also this line:

Everyone has revealed who they are, and so working out who the traitor is should be relatively simple.

??????

woad&fangs

12-22-2008, 23:36

Your post on night 1 was pretty suspcisious too, if I may recall.

Because someone has to get the voting started... that was your reason, and you didn't change your vote afterwards. If Reenk Roink was lynched that would be your reason for wanting to lynch him?

wrong, I changed my vote twice after voting for reenk. First to Shlin and then to Tevash.

Chaotix

12-23-2008, 00:07

I wonder if "824" corresponds somehow with the mafia's name... ATPG can't have put that there without a reason. Although I can't begin to guess at how to decode it, if it even means anything. :thinking:

White_eyes:D

12-23-2008, 00:27

I have a gripe - technically, "abstain" means you have no preference as to who is lynched, and is more to indicate your continued particpation. There has always been a difference between that and "no lynch".

Anyways, Vote: White Eyes

Ok, I will vote for you GH Vote:GeneralHankerchief happy now?:rolleyes: (I have no idea why but your voting for me these past two rounds is starting to get on my nerves, more then YLC saying "I told you so") :shame:

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 00:31

You were still arguing/talking about how we should vote based on role assignments when it was pretty well established that that road got us nowhere.

White_eyes:D

12-23-2008, 00:38

You were still arguing/talking about how we should vote based on role assignments when it was pretty well established that that road got us nowhere.

??? Find that post and quote it so I can see it....I never said anything about roles being more guilty then others....:juggle2: I was wondering the Million dollar question of 'can the mafia recruit?' last guy that said that you didn't vote for or voice suspicions.....:inquisitive:

Beefy187

12-23-2008, 01:32

I wonder what ATPG meant by "Your running out of time" or what ever.

My original thought was that no lynch is good for the town if we have roles like detectives investigating everyone.

But if we are being watched by the FBI, that could mean that if we don't lynch the FBI agent by the time we put our plans in action, we'll all be caught and dadaa... End of our ambitions.

Heres my thought

Aim of FBI: to survive until the end of the game.

Aim of the traitor: Kill everyone and take the money by him/her self.

So I think FBI and the traitor are two different person.

So if thats the case, assuming we will get role reveals on the write up, if we lynch the right guy, we should start lynching like crazy before we get to the gold. Agent code 824 could mean anything from something which happened in year 824 (which I did a search on Wiki and got nothing), meaning there is a number in name (Yoyoma, Shlin, Aries, Beefy, Chaotix), or alphabetical code which is hbd or hx which doesn't make. If theres any more ideas, shoot as theres not much clues so far.

I'll vote later when I see more reactions and discussions

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 02:05

??? Find that post and quote it so I can see it....I never said anything about roles being more guilty then others....:juggle2: I was wondering the Million dollar question of 'can the mafia recruit?' last guy that said that you didn't vote for or voice suspicions.....:inquisitive:

Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2088441&postcount=177)'s the post that triggered my vote. I voted you immediately after this post.

You responded (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2088482&postcount=179) with the following defense:

Reason? or are you Mafia and trying to slowly get rid of town? (I helped with discussion....~:argue:)
but you seem to want someone Lynched......(as you didn't vote last round......thought town's paranoia was enough?:inquisitive:)

To which I elegantly countered (:tongue:) here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2088543&postcount=185):

Wrong twice over, my friend. :yes: Firstly, I did vote last round, for Ares. Secondly, there is good discussion and bad discussion. Bad discussion, such as when we're trying to determine the mafia based on role names alone, not only distracts the town but is also good foil for a mafioso trying to blend in. Again, we could talk about this forever and still not get anywhere, but you would still look good because, hey, you're helping discussion while in reality just leading the town in circles.

I'd prefer it if we focused on thread behavior, such as the current trend towards figuring out what shlin is playing at. But I don't think we'll have to worry about that if you get lynched.

This current discussion we're having about an FBI agent is different in that it's actually productive and we could strategize about our efforts to take down the bad guy(s?) depending on the general consensus.

TevashSzat

12-23-2008, 04:08

If we don't at least try to lynch someone soon, I predict that we will be in for an epically long game of inaction.

@GH

I think White_eyes:D is just really confused atm since I doubt that the mafia would make a mistake such as this so blatantly.

Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago

Edit: Tally

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)

Quintus is firmly in the lynching lead.....

Beefy187

12-23-2008, 04:10

If we don't at least try to lynch someone soon, I predict that we will be in for an epically long game of inaction.

@GH

I think White_eyes:D is just really confused atm since I doubt that the mafia would make a mistake such as this so blatantly.

Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago

I did explain why I voted for White_eyes about a page ago as well. But I did screw up so I dont mind you voting for me

White_eyes:D

12-23-2008, 05:20

But why have you overlooked Beefy's weird behavior, GH?:inquisitive: and you just kinda jumped on me when I first came up with the idea of the FBI/Traitors motives....
In any case the only thing that worries me, is that maybe the FBI agent can recruit.......I think that the traitor wants all the Gold for himself and will likely want everyone dead....(unless I missed something and the traitor is working with the Feds....)*goes back to check opening write-up*
Then after that you voted for me....
Unvote: khaan
Vote: White eyes

I think if we continue the discussion about the possibility that X role might be the traitor solely because of the role's name, we could talk about this until the cows come home and still not be anywhereCould it be your the Fed? and I was onto something?:inquisitive:
Because Beefy has been saying the same things but you have not jumped on him....
I wonder what ATPG meant by "Your running out of time" or what ever.

My original thought was that no lynch is good for the town if we have roles like detectives investigating everyone.

But if we are being watched by the FBI, that could mean that if we don't lynch the FBI agent by the time we put our plans in action, we'll all be caught and dadaa... End of our ambitions.

Heres my thought

Aim of FBI: to survive until the end of the game.

Aim of the traitor: Kill everyone and take the money by him/her self.

So I think FBI and the traitor are two different person.

So if thats the case, assuming we will get role reveals on the write up, if we lynch the right guy, we should start lynching like crazy before we get to the gold. Agent code 824 could mean anything from something which happened in year 824 (which I did a search on Wiki and got nothing), meaning there is a number in name (Yoyoma, Shlin, Aries, Beefy, Chaotix), or alphabetical code which is hbd or hx which doesn't make. If theres any more ideas, shoot as theres not much clues so far.

I'll vote later when I see more reactions and discussions I might be wrong be it DOES make sense that you would try to get a bandwagon on me and might have recuited Beefy....since he has been doing things VERY oddly.....like voting for me when I clearly had a vote on me from you and 'claiming he made a mistake':rolleyes:.....

Reenk Roink

12-23-2008, 05:23

Given that Quintus.JC is looks to die, I will vote: seireikhaan in the hopes that the gang bandwagons to a more suspicious choice.

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenkurity)

I am not pleased at the way certain people are trying to dominate the discussion. Very scummy to me...

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 05:27

TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection. :bow:

Unvote: White eyes
Vote: I'm here and will vote somebody soon, but in the meantime I'm not really voting but at the same time I sort of am

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 05:29

Vote: Tevash

Made an odd comment earlier. I'll look things over more tomorrow.

White_eyes:D

12-23-2008, 05:37

Beefy187

12-23-2008, 05:39

But why have you overlooked Beefy's weird behavior, GH?:inquisitive: and you just kinda jumped on me when I first came up with the idea of the FBI/Traitors motives....
Then after that you voted for me....Could it be your the Fed? and I was onto something?:inquisitive:
Because Beefy has been saying the same things but you have not jumped on him.... I might be wrong be it DOES make sense that you would try to get a bandwagon on me and might have recuited Beefy....since he has been doing things VERY oddly.....like voting for me when I clearly had a vote on me from you and 'claiming he made a mistake':rolleyes:.....

I've said this before (Im pretty sure it was you) but 2 votes on you is not bandwagon. I apologize for putting your life at risk but your not convincing me that you are innocent (although your current playing style fits the usual one).

Just be warned. If I can't find anyone more suspicious then this time I am going to vote for you and this time with a proper reason not random vote.

Reenk: Dominating the discussion seems to be the only way to find the scum right now. At least the quality of the discussion is a lot better compared to round 1.

ULC

12-23-2008, 10:32

Argh, so hard to keep up with - I sleep for 10 hours and wow there is a lot to absorb. Good discussion guys :2thumbsup:, even if my brain is clanking away to understand whats happening. But we seem to be getting off topic now by patting our back. But I'll be honest, I don't find either White Eyes or QJC suspicious - true, they have said something's that can be suspicious, but neither really trigger my senses...I'm more leary of those who would try to control the situation using strawmen, like GeneralHankerchief. He seems intent on persecuting White Eyes and always returns to him each round, even if there are better suspects, and then when countered, switches to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion.

Vote:GeneralHanckerchief

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 17:39

That makes absolutely no sense.

ULC

12-23-2008, 17:42

That makes absolutely no sense.

Strange defense you have there GeneralHankerchief. Please, if I am wrong, it's better to disprove me and set me straight so the town may then draw conclusions from proper argument. Allowing my (possibly nonsensical) argument stand by not arguing it in depth will not help the town, yourself, or me either.

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 17:44

Please, if I am wrong, it's better to disprove me and set me straight

I would, but then someone would vote you for "when countered, switch[ing] to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion."

-edit- Unrelated, but when did I suddenly become "GeneralHankerchief" to you instead of GH?

ULC

12-23-2008, 17:46

I would, but then someone would vote you for "when countered, switch[ing] to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion."

And there is a problem with people voting for me? Or are you disproving me by not disproving me ~;p

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 17:48

I'm using your own statements against you to prove their inherent fallacy. :book:

seireikhaan

12-23-2008, 17:49

Unvote: Quintus

Vote: YLC

FoS: Quintus

I fail to see how GH has "dominated the discussion using strawmen". You are inventing reasons to vote for an skilled and, at least of now, helpful, player. Further, almost all of your posts have contained a ridiculous amount of WIFOM, in particular your first post this round. Lastly, I get suspicious when people pat the town on the back.

ULC

12-23-2008, 17:50

I'm using your own statements against you to prove their inherent fallacy. :book:

I was only commenting on past behavior GH, not current or future behavior, so you will excuse me creating an argument based on it. Would you then please kindly explain your past behavior, and the reasoning behind it? To me at least, it is suspicious.

EDIT - Just saw SK's post.

Yes, my posts contain lots of WIFOM, that should be obvious. I haven't been as helpful as I'd like to be, and I am sorry for that. But I am only trying to stir up discussion, even if it's aimed at me, even if everyone of my arguments is WIFOM or illogical and I get voted because of it. If you remember Khaan, in my RE mafia, the town was basically silent and Chaotix went unmolested, and twice your vote killed off two town at the last moment, because no one discussed anything. I'm not trying to bash you, I am just saying - town loses without discussion.

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 17:53

ULC

12-23-2008, 18:01

My past behavior, as I have already explained, was based on White Eye's continued insistence to discuss things related to the "FBI Agent". At the time, I thought "FBI Agent" was another game-assigned role like Computer Engineer, ex-SWAT, or Mastermind, not realizing it was another potential town threat. Later, I realized this was the case and dropped my vendetta.

o_O? Come again? No insult intended in anyway, but that would have been fairly easy to look up, since there is a list present in in the beginning of the game.

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 18:01

Yeah, but I didn't.

ULC

12-23-2008, 18:36

Yeah, but I didn't.

So, your telling me you voted for him on an assumption that could have been easily checked, but didn't because of laziness?

GeneralHankerchief

12-23-2008, 18:38

Pretty much.

Quintus.JC

12-23-2008, 18:57

Exactly, Quintus kept his vote till the last minute, and even then his vote is terribly wrong. (It wasn't bolded and its in brackets...) Methinks this is very very fishy.

Keep pressure on Quintus people! (In my case the barrel of my gun :smash:)

To Chaotix: I am not careless, I was being stupid in the earlier phases because there was nothing to act on... But now, there is something suspicious about Quintus, and I am ready to hound him like a vigilante hounds a criminal.

Very fishy? the unbolded vote was a clear mistake, I knew that but couldn't edit my post containning the vote, so I simply posted a new one. The bracket abstain was simply a reminder of what I had voted earlier.

You was being stupid becuase in the earlier phases there was nothing to act on, but now there something suspcious about me and you've come to your senses. Thats a strange explaination coming from you Shlin, plus you don't seems to be much in the discussion apart from voting for me and starting a bandwaggon.

Vote: Shlin

shlin28

12-23-2008, 19:47

Very fishy? the unbolded vote was a clear mistake, I knew that but couldn't edit my post containning the vote, so I simply posted a new one. The bracket abstain was simply a reminder of what I had voted earlier.

You was being stupid becuase in the earlier phases there was nothing to act on, but now there something suspcious about me and you've come to your senses. Thats a strange explaination coming from you Shlin, plus you don't seems to be much in the discussion apart from voting for me and starting a bandwaggon.

Vote: Shlin

...

You do realise that you made NO valid votes last round right? No bolded ones, nope, nada, just a wrong vote at the end of the phase... I looked through all your posts last round, there were no bolded writings to be seen.

In any case, how is starting a bandwagon wrong? Others have free will, its not like I have my gun barrel pointed at their necks. Surely they are the ones who are suspicious as they got on my bandwagon.

TevashSzat

12-23-2008, 21:18

Okay, the banter between YLC and GH got really confusing and didn't really make sense so here is what I think YLC was trying to say

If we don't at least try to lynch someone soon, I predict that we will be in for an epically long game of inaction.

@GH

I think White_eyes:D is just really confused atm since I doubt that the mafia would make a mistake such as this so blatantly.

Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago

Edit: Tally

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)

Quintus is firmly in the lynching lead.....

I posted this saying how White_eyes didn't seem that scummy

TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection. :bow:

Unvote: White eyes
Vote: I'm here and will vote somebody soon, but in the meantime I'm not really voting but at the same time I sort of am

A few posts later, GH stopped voting for White_eyes

Vote: Tevash

Made an odd comment earlier. I'll look things over more tomorrow.

And then imedietely in the next post, he voted for me.

Argh, so hard to keep up with - I sleep for 10 hours and wow there is a lot to absorb. Good discussion guys :2thumbsup:, even if my brain is clanking away to understand whats happening. But we seem to be getting off topic now by patting our back. But I'll be honest, I don't find either White Eyes or QJC suspicious - true, they have said something's that can be suspicious, but neither really trigger my senses...I'm more leary of those who would try to control the situation using strawmen, like GeneralHankerchief. He seems intent on persecuting White Eyes and always returns to him each round, even if there are better suspects, and then when countered, switches to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion.

Vote:GeneralHanckerchief

So thats why YLC was saying that when someone (me) "countered" GH's vote, he quickly switched to a "better" suspect (me again) to end the discussion

Anyways, updated tally:

Quintus 2: (w&f, shlin)
shlin 2: (Chaotix, Quintus)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (YLC)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenk)
Reenk 1: (White_eyes)
YLC 1: (khaan)
Tevash 1: (GH)

Please update this when you vote on someone because it takes a while to update it after like 20 posts

Beefy187

12-24-2008, 01:18

...

You do realise that you made NO valid votes last round right? No bolded ones, nope, nada, just a wrong vote at the end of the phase... I looked through all your posts last round, there were no bolded writings to be seen.

In any case, how is starting a bandwagon wrong? Others have free will, its not like I have my gun barrel pointed at their necks. Surely they are the ones who are suspicious as they got on my bandwagon.

When bandwagon occurs, that means there were enough evidence or scumminess that everyone just piles on one fellow. Which means if you get bandwagon, its your fault for being scummy. Like Shlin said, I dont see how starting a bandwagoning is a bad thing.

This round gave us 3 suspicious players.

I cant see how not bolding the vote makes Quintus suspicious. Perhaps a little over defensive but thats about it.

Secondly GH who was accused to be controlling the discussion which I fail to see what is wrong with it. At least his giving us discussion, even though that has possibility of misleading. As for him voting for White_eyes last round, considering iirc GH has never played with White_eyes before White_eyes does seem extremely scummy although that is his natural playing style.

YLC I saw contradiction in your post saying "town lost without discussion." Isn't that what exactly GH is doing right now? Promoting discussion?

I am more weary of Reenk. Please explain why you voted for Seireikhaan and how he is acting suspicious.

Vote: Reenk

Quintus 2: (w&f, shlin)
shlin 2: (Chaotix, Quintus)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (YLC)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenk)
Reenk 2: (White_eyes, Beefy)
YLC 1: (khaan)
Tevash 1: (GH)

Thermal

12-24-2008, 02:09

Took a while to read, firstly please tell me if you'd like me to get involved with discussion or shut up for once, because it seems the more i talk the more i'm criticized, everyone is active so it will be hard voting, seeing as no lynch is frowned upon

@Yoyoma
I do realize it looks scummy saying my role looked innocent, but me along with 9 others, there were only 4 that i thought looked a bit dodgy, regardless as GH pointed out that method of voting is quite flawed, more or less giving us a focus point for days ones normal random lynch, plus the fact we don't know if the FBI and traitor are the same person or not, if theres 2 i would have thought they'd of been a night kill by now though :shrug: anyway if i knew the FBI were involved massively in fraud, then i'd be committing suicide by posting the role descriptions.

Some suspicions do seem to be took out of hand i.e: Quintus' unbolded vote, how on earth is that suspicious?

I have noticed Tevash is rather active, and his posts look big because he quotes alot, when really he doesn't explain much at all, furthermore he constantly keeps a tally, helpful no doubt but easily his motive to show he's being helpful, to conceal attention from himself

Mentioning such as

"Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago"

Ummmm, first of all i have 80 posts a page so that would just confuse me, you don't summarize what this reason is, and it just feels like your reason for voting is degraded, explain again, we shouldn't have to look back to an unspecified post, probably in the hope people will take your word for it rather than look themselves.

Having said this its still a weak plea and i don't believe your the traitor/FBI, just a few minor things i pointed out no matter how nonsensical it may sound :bow:

yeah and tell me if u want me too shut up or speak more, then i won't get sued for supposedly lurking/or/and/over-active posting

ULC

12-24-2008, 02:29

YLC I saw contradiction in your post saying "town lost without discussion." Isn't that what exactly GH is doing right now? Promoting discussion?

Yes, but to me it seemed as if GH was posting bare minimum unless directly questioned or confronted, which seemed a bit shady to me. Then his reason for voting White Eyes was rather lazy and nonsensical - he never bothered to check his resources when he accused White Eyes, and jumped on him when he began discussing it, making the sudden assumption White Eyes was said agent - and made me do a double take.

My vote stands for now.

Beefy187

12-24-2008, 02:42

Yes, but to me it seemed as if GH was posting bare minimum unless directly questioned or confronted, which seemed a bit shady to me. Then his reason for voting White Eyes was rather lazy and nonsensical - he never bothered to check his resources when he accused White Eyes, and jumpoed on him when he began discussing it, making the sudden assumption White Eyes was said agent - and made me do a double take.

My vote stands for now.

Fair enough. Makes sense to me

Thermal

12-24-2008, 02:42

when does day end? i need to know when i have to vote by :sweatdrop:

TevashSzat

12-24-2008, 03:00

I have noticed Tevash is rather active, and his posts look big because he quotes alot, when really he doesn't explain much at all, furthermore he constantly keeps a tally, helpful no doubt but easily his motive to show he's being helpful, to conceal attention from himself

Well, I'm active because I'm on Christmas break right now and don't have too much to do at home.

I don't explain much because I don't see anyone particularly scummy atm

I keep a tally because well, I often keep tallies in the mafia games I play

GeneralHankerchief

12-24-2008, 03:02

Yes, but to me it seemed as if GH was posting bare minimum unless directly questioned or confronted, which seemed a bit shady to me. Then his reason for voting White Eyes was rather lazy and nonsensical - he never bothered to check his resources when he accused White Eyes, and jumped on him when he began discussing it, making the sudden assumption White Eyes was said agent - and made me do a double take.

My vote stands for now.

That's not the reason why I voted for White Eyes. I voted for White Eyes because I thought he was continuing to push the whole "hey, let's lynch because this role sounds suspicious" line of discussion.

Thermal

12-24-2008, 03:28

Well, I'm active because I'm on Christmas break right now and don't have too much to do at home.

I don't explain much because I don't see anyone particularly scummy atm

I keep a tally because well, I often keep tallies in the mafia games I play

fair enough, it wasn't really a point, just trying to tie a few loose ends :yes:

ULC

12-24-2008, 03:29

That's not the reason why I voted for White Eyes. I voted for White Eyes because I thought he was continuing to push the whole "hey, let's lynch because this role sounds suspicious" line of discussion.

Yet when I questioned you, you gave me the "FBI agent" line. And again, it wasn't White Eyes who pushed that, and I noticed when he brought it up, you switched your vote on the basis that 'TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection.'

Yet he was only discussing the motives of the agent - neither of your reasons for accusing him are valid. Either your being lazy, incompetent, and neither are you - I find you to be a much more meticulous player then this GH...

Thermal

12-24-2008, 03:46

GeneralHankerchief

12-24-2008, 03:47

Yet when I questioned you, you gave me the "FBI agent" line. And again, it wasn't White Eyes who pushed that, and I noticed when he brought it up, you switched your vote on the basis that 'TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection.'

Now you're not making the connection.

I (mistakenly) think that the FBI agent is one of the standard roles.

I see White Eyes talking about the FBI agent and its motives.

Therefore, I think that White Eyes is talking about the motives of a standard role and thus give him a vote.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Anyway, you'll notice that I did withdraw my vote on him after I realized my error. It's not like I'm still pushing the point.

Yet he was only discussing the motives of the agent - neither of your reasons for accusing him are valid. Either your being lazy, incompetent, and neither are you - I find you to be a much more meticulous player then this GH...

You've played one game with me before this. :dizzy2:

ULC

12-24-2008, 03:50

I see, well, I'll keep my eye on you then...and I can't read past mafia's then? ~;p

Unvote: GH

Now who to vote for?

woad&fangs

12-24-2008, 04:17

I don't have any case, and i hope he takes no offense by this but

vote: Woad & Fangs

for voting for tons of different people last round
Reenk
Shlin
Unvote
Tevash

next day
Quintus

all rather randomly and spam like reasons to accompany the votes too, it's like a desire to kill the majority of us....
the main reason i'm voting for you though is because i don't know whos guilty, and a vote against you won't cause any trouble, i'm not one for the bandwagon :2thumbsup:

Are you a master criminal or a flower arranger? Show some backbone next time you accuse someone of being a dirty no good rat~;p

Reenk vote was entirely random
Shlin was for his weird behavior(ATPG likes roleplay so I thought it could be a requirement for his role)
Unvote isn't even a real person:brood:
Tevash was mostly random.

Anyways, I think Quintus is a good lynch for today so I'll be sticking with that unless someone gives me a good reason to vote someone else.

:elephant:

Thermal

12-24-2008, 04:20

well if i dont vote for u then :shrug: no vote?

White_eyes:D

12-24-2008, 04:36

I await Reenk's impute on this matter, since he seemed to hate 'CERTAIN' people dominating the discussion....:stare:

Edit: I mean is no discussion at all better??:confused:

woad&fangs

12-24-2008, 04:37

well if i dont vote for u then :shrug: no vote?

???

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2008, 06:45

Tally, please correct if you see an error.

GeneralHankerchief: Vote TevashSzat
Shlin28: Vote QJC
Seireikhaan: Vote YLC
Quintus.JC: Vote Shlin
woad&fangs: Vote QJC
Chaotix27: Vote Shlin
White_Eyes: Vote Reenk Roink
TevashSzat: Vote Beefy
Reenk Roink: Vote Seireikhaan
YLC: unvoted
Beefy: Vote Reenk Roink
Ares: Vote woad&fangs

TevashSzat: 1
Quintus.JC: 2
YLC: 1
Shlin28: 2
Reenk Roink: 2
Beefy: 1
woad&fangs: 1
Seireikhaan: 1

Ties, ties, we mustn't have ties...

Thermal

12-24-2008, 06:51

TevashSzat: 1
Quintus.JC: 2
YLC: 1
Shlin28: 2
Reenk Roink: 2
Beefy: 1
woad&fangs: 1
seireikhaan: 1

:bow:

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2008, 06:52

That's because Quintus never made an actual vote last round. Unless I've overlooked something 5 times.

I couldn't find it either, I took his word for it.

However, he did state that he would like to abstain while talking to me in this thread, and I thought from his wording he had abstained already. This was my mistake.

No penalties, because I believe this was a misunderstanding, and it was partly my error. However, I will be strictly enforcing the rules from now on. Be careful.

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2008, 06:53

TevashSzat: 1
Quintus.JC: 2
YLC: 1
Shlin28: 2
Reenk Roink: 2
Beefy: 1
woad&fangs: 1
seireikhaan: 1

:bow:

Thanks, I even counted it, I just didn't add it to the tally. :wall:

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2008, 06:56

This voting phase is scheduled to end around 8am today, however due to the current tally and the holidays I may grant you an extension. I'd prefer a clear winner ASAP.

The forum rules don't allow excessive time spent on each round, so the extension will happen only if there is still no clear winner. Remember to vote: No Lynch if you prefer that, and don't forget to vote.

Thermal

12-24-2008, 07:01

I get the feeling this game is gonna storm past mine for posts once mines finished, glad all are playing it instead of lurking, though it makes it harder to vote because of it

Askthepizzaguy

12-24-2008, 07:03

I, too, am glad for everyone's contributions. The way things are going, we will reach a delightful conclusion.

GeneralHankerchief

12-24-2008, 07:06

Hm, not sure if I like anyone in the lead. Rather than screw around with the votes I'll just go to sleep and hope something cool happens between now and when I wake up.

Reenk Roink

12-24-2008, 13:01

I await Reenk's impute on this matter, since he seemed to hate 'CERTAIN' people dominating the discussion....:stare:

Edit: I mean is no discussion at all better??:confused:

Remember in Prometheus when you and YLC got into the spat for almost a page? Gave me a perfect scapegoat later on, when I later dominated the discussion at got people doing my things. Or in Midgard Saga I where I posted so so so so much and just made the game cumbersome to read, leading to an easy Mafia victory.

Discussion is good, but what has been happening here is bad.

Yoyoma1910

12-24-2008, 17:37

Argh, too much to read.... makes my brain hurt.

I'm going to make my morning rounds, and then come back and try to get through everything.

In the meantime I'm going to vote:nolynch, in case I miss the deadline.

shlin28

12-24-2008, 17:56

Reading everything through, I do realise that my initial arguements against Quintus is a bit... er... weak. But his reactions, especially when he gets voted (see his reaction to Khaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/Yeah%20Seriekhann%20seems%20especially%20eagar%20to%20see%20me%20die.%20Why%20does%20no%20one%20list en%20to%20me%21%20The%20mafia%20cannot%20win%20unless%20he%20start%20killing,%20we%20are%20only%20he lping%20him%20if%20we%20start%20killing%20each%20other.) and me) are a bit desperate sounding, and he keeps stating the obvious (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/Just%20checked%20Prometheaus.%20Khaan%20is%20right,%20if%20the%20mafia%20is%20able%20to%20recruit%20 we%27re%20be%20in%20deep%20trouble.%20Blind%20lynches%20isn%27t%20going%20to%20do%20any%20good.%20An way%20at%20this%20point%20I%27m%20starting%20to%20see%20sense%20in%20starting%20lynching%20people.)( Well... everyone does that in this game, but I just feel he's done it slightly more) My vote stays with Quintus :bow:

Chaotix

12-24-2008, 20:11

My vote stays as well, as I find shlin too suspicious to be left unchecked... and his excuses aren't convincing me.

Yoyoma1910

12-24-2008, 20:32

None of the three top runners really stick out to me more than any other, but none of them are without some suspicion:

Quintus's fake vote and his continued claim that he made a valid vote, as well as his reaction to things.

Shlin's semi vigilante claim, and psychopathic behavior.

Eh? (If it was by anyone else who claimed that I would totally sneak upon them in the night like a silent vigilante and gut them in their sleep :clown:)

:book:

Reenk's Reenkness, and this post:

Given that Quintus.JC is looks to die, I will vote: seireikhaan in the hopes that the gang bandwagons to a more suspicious choice.

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenkurity)

I am not pleased at the way certain people are trying to dominate the discussion. Very scummy to me...

But, I don't know if any of those reasons are good enough to vote for one over the other.

Quintus, you didn't place any vote last round, until the tie breaker, legal or non. You "reaffirmed" something you had not previously stated. Making discussion doesn't make a vote. But I'm not going to hold it against you... One should never vote angry.

Shlin, I like your role playing, but RPing a cold killer does make you seem a bit suspicious, even in a game of criminals.

Reenk, I don't see anyone here trying to drown out other people, as Pizza did in the Prometheus. The conversation leaders seem to be shifting daily. Naturally some people are going to have stronger opinions than others. Though, I personally do find some people's playing style overly distracting (not yours).

...

Anyway, my opinion on any of these three isn't strong enough for me to want any one of them lynched over another, and voting for someone else could either distract the issue or add another into the top tier. No change in vote.

Askthepizzaguy

12-25-2008, 20:35

GeneralHankerchief: Vote TevashSzat
Shlin28: Vote QJC
Seireikhaan: Vote YLC
Quintus.JC: Vote Shlin
woad&fangs: Vote QJC
Chaotix27: Vote Shlin
White_Eyes: Vote Reenk Roink
TevashSzat: Vote Beefy
Reenk Roink: Vote Seireikhaan
YLC: unvoted
Beefy: Vote Reenk Roink
Ares: Vote woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910: Vote No Lynch

TevashSzat: 1
Quintus.JC: 2
YLC: 1
Shlin28: 2
Reenk Roink: 2
Beefy: 1
woad&fangs: 1
seireikhaan: 1
No Lynch: 1

Still tied up. You have one more day, otherwise I am going to randomize it.

shlin28

12-25-2008, 21:59

Not changing my vote. I know I am innocent so I do not fear such trivial things as randomising whatsits. The Laws of Probability are WITH ME! :devilish:

Beefy187

12-26-2008, 01:24

Not changing mine either. Im happy with who I voted for.

Reenk Roink

12-26-2008, 23:43

Oh for the love of God, let this round end! :wall:

Vote: shlin28 Even the laws of probability can't help you now. :laugh4:

shlin28

12-26-2008, 23:53

Then so be it :bow: May my death be fruitful for the town and our dastardly plan.

Reenk Roink

12-26-2008, 23:56

Then so be it :bow: May my death be fruitful for the town and our dastardly plan.

Vote: Quintus.JC

My surveillance of you has determined you to be unlikely as an traitor. :bow:

Beefy187

12-27-2008, 00:20

Vote: Quintus.JC

My surveillance of you has determined you to be unlikely as an traitor. :bow:

Dont forget to unvote the other vote :yes:

White_eyes:D

12-27-2008, 01:05

Oh for the love of God, let this round end! :wall:

Vote: shlin28 Even the laws of probability can't help you now. :laugh4:

Man, without kills there is hardly anything to go off of....:shrug:....only reason I am not jumping on you for doing this, is because I was just about to do it myself:laugh4:.....(break the tie and get the DAMN round to end...:furious3:)

Thermal

12-27-2008, 02:28

i hope im not put in the lime like for this but im doing u all a favour breaking the tie

unvote: W&F
vote: quintus
sorry but i think shlins innocent, hes always voted out soon, and he is roleplaying, sorry quinus, just to move us on :shrug: i think your the more likely of the two

Askthepizzaguy

12-28-2008, 06:39

GeneralHankerchief: Vote TevashSzat
Shlin28: Vote QJC
Seireikhaan: Vote YLC
Quintus.JC: Vote Shlin
woad&fangs: Vote QJC
Chaotix27: Vote Shlin
White_Eyes: Vote Reenk Roink
TevashSzat: Vote Beefy
Reenk Roink: Vote QJC
YLC: unvoted
Beefy: Vote Reenk Roink
Ares: Vote QJC
Yoyoma1910: Vote No Lynch

TevashSzat: 1
Quintus.JC: 4
YLC: 1
Shlin28: 2
Reenk Roink: 2
Beefy: 1
No Lynch: 1

End of Day Three.

Askthepizzaguy

12-28-2008, 06:52

Day Three

The tanker continued its voyage across the sea, and once again the men met to determine their fate. After the calm of yesterday, everyone seemed to be more at ease. Their weapons were drawn, but they were not nearly as tense.

But the votes were rattled off, and Quintus.JC was the clear winner, and he knew it. His weapon raised, and he looked at the men who voted for him and prepared to fire, but suddenly he dropped to the floor.

A spray of gunfire barely missed him, and he returned fire. Several of the crew jumped out of the way, but several were hit with bullets. Quintus looked around to see if he had any allies; but no one came to his rescue. So much for camaraderie.

"You were my friends..." He said, but a bullet tore through his chest, stopping his heart and knocking the wind out of him. His weapon dropped out of his lifeless hands.

The others escaped with some bullet wounds, but they did have a surgeon on board, and the rest were treated and bandaged up. The night would be a painful but uneventful one.

Night Three

No one stirred, and whatever traitorous element remained kept quiet and blended in with the others.

Begin Day Four.

___________________________

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
Aries777777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Thermal

12-28-2008, 06:58

Beefy187

12-28-2008, 08:25

:surprised: i'm thinking now that there might not even be a mafia, and atpg is having us on, maybe the mafia can't kill, and they literally have to talk there way to a win and survive the lynches, this must be the safest mafia ever, considering its a board of thief's and bandits that surprises me, so.... another round of mindless voting i assume :shrug:

American propaganda.. If everyone has guns, it will keep them safe :laugh4:

It would be really tough for the mafia though, if they cant kill. If my assumption of one traitor and one FBI is correct then also the assumption that those two aren't allies it is neigh impossible for the mafias to survive the game for that long.

So I suspect there is more then one on each teams. Otherwise this game is way too hard for the baddies.

Askthepizzaguy

12-28-2008, 08:29

In case there are any concerns, I worked very hard to balance the game. The bad guys have an equal chance of winning or losing.

shlin28

12-28-2008, 22:20

Wow, 14 hours after the write-up and no votes? What kind of twisted world are we living in??? :whip:

Quintus seems to be innocent by the write-up, I dont see any visible clues in there, unlike ED's lynch.

Anyhoo, an answer to Chaotix's accusation (gotta start the discussion somewhere...):

I think that he's using his silly persona as a defense so that he can vote for anyone he wants, with really no reason. Just because he's attracting attention to himself does not label him as careless and therefore innocent. Right now, he feels the most suspicious to me.

You say I have used my "persona" as a shield, yet when have I used my "persona" as a defence from votes? If anything, it has attracted more votes for me (mainly because I am the only one doing it) :shame:. Seems a bit counterproductive no?

As for using it as an excuse, did my vote for Quintus came about because I want to kill him? No, it came about because he had suspicious voting activities, as noted by others.

Finally, your last point is perhaps the most sensible, of course I shouldn't be deemed innocent because I am roleplaying... but neither should I be on the top of the list when there are 13 other players who do not roleplay, and we cannot deem them innocent either could we?

Now, I decide to Vote: Chaotix, because of the stuff noted above and because he was one of the most lurkiest players here ('khaan has fewer posts but he answered other people's inquisitions quite suitably) This vote will be changed should new info become available.

You may call the vote a personal vendetta, I call it the spark that will ignite the whole discussion thingy.

Chaotix

12-29-2008, 00:20

Hm. The main reason I called you out before was because it seemed like you were roleplaying as a way to stay alive. Let me elaborate: You roleplay as a nutcase who wants to kill people. Yes, some people, like me, will think this is suspicious and vote for you for it. However, others will see it as you just acting silly: because if you were mafia, it would be a careless thing to do, so surely you must be a townie if you have such little regard for everyone else's suspicions on you. By the same card, you can, then, be mafia, and just be using reverse psychology. It's similar to ATPG's playstyle.

And I probably would have let you off now if it weren't for the revenge vote. Vote: shlin

Finally, as for my absence/lurking, this can be attributed to two things:

-For the most part the main discussion has been on subjects other than you, who I did not find as suspicious
-Christmas has kept me busy. Now that it's over, I should be able to devote more attention to mafia.

seireikhaan

12-29-2008, 00:47

Vote: YLC

For inventing reasons to vote for other players, for massive WIFOM, and for using WIFOM to defend your use of WIFOM.

Yoyoma1910

12-29-2008, 01:06

Beefy187

12-29-2008, 01:32

Vote: YLC

For inventing reasons to vote for other players, for massive WIFOM, and for using WIFOM to defend your use of WIFOM.

Although I liked your reasoning I think ill stick with Reenk for the time being.

I want to hear you defend your self before I go voting for another person

Vote:Reenk Roink

ULC

12-29-2008, 01:58

Sorry, was absent for a day celebrating with the family.

To answer SK's vote - yes, I used WIFOM, because believe it or not, it's how I think (not that it's erver really helped me :laugh4:), and I cannot help that. I don't even see the WIFOM in my own posts how ever, although please notify me if my answers, questions posed, or questions answered are not satisfactory, and in what way, and I will try to answer correctly.

As to making up a reason to vote for someone, I never did, at least not in my eyes. GH voted for a very lazy and thoughtless action and I called him out on it, that was all. I had no one better to vote for, and GH seemed scummy to me, and yes, in the first round, I did a revenge vote because GH forced me to commit suicide in your own mafia (however funny and humiliating it maybe at the same time), but I voted him in the second round because of his vote, is there something else you want me to go on besides posting and voting behavior right now? If so, please point it out - an ignorant townie is sometimes worse then the mafia themselves.

seireikhaan

12-29-2008, 02:22

Reenk Roink

12-29-2008, 02:29

Although I liked your reasoning I think ill stick with Reenk for the time being.

I want to hear you defend your self before I go voting for another person

Vote:Reenk Roink

Why are you so intent on killing me?

Vote: 187Beefyz

Retaliation vote yes, the most noble form of voting. :bow:

ULC

12-29-2008, 03:07

You accused GH of trying to "dominate the discussion with strawmen" when you voted for him. GH was not doing so, though he was indeed talking a little more than he usually does. When I called you out on it, you admitted it was flimsy(not that it even achieved that level of strength in reality) reasoning. However, you still vote him anyways. You claim to not see the WIFOM in your posts, yet you readily admit to using it prolifically. :inquisitive:

Yes it was flimsy - I thought GH was trying to dominate the conversation by falsely accusing White Eyes, is that not a strawman? If not, please tell me what the real definition is so I do not use it incorrectly any further.

As for the WIFOM, no I do not see it, but you claim it is there, and thus I defer to your more experienced judgment on such matters - I take your word for it, since it can obviously be confirmed by other players and accusing someone based on "false" WIFOM me will only get the conversation turned on yourself.

Thermal

12-29-2008, 04:16

Why are you so intent on killing me?

Vote: 187Beefyz

Retaliation vote yes, the most noble form of voting. :bow:

vote:reenk roink

Beefy was asking to hear more from you, instead you do a OMGUS vote and don't answer or address his question :shrug: and all this "retaliation" voting isn't useful for destroying the mafias, by simply attacking someone because they voted for you, even though there probably innocent

Thermal

12-29-2008, 04:18

confirm in an unedited post vote: reenk roink god this rule is annoying seeing as i edit almost all my posts :yes:
:dizzy2: :balloon2: :dizzy2:

Beefy187

12-29-2008, 04:25

Why are you so intent on killing me?

Vote: 187Beefyz

Retaliation vote yes, the most noble form of voting. :bow:

Because you didn't give me a reason not to :bow:

Come lads, Let us not start a bandwagon on Reenk. We two are just casually questioning each other. :clown:

GeneralHankerchief

12-29-2008, 05:05

I'm tempted to vote everyone who's jumping on this ridiculous Reenk bandwagon, but I want answers from Tevash for this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2089483&postcount=217):

Hmm.....GH voted for white_eyes a few post above yours. Were you trying to break the huge 1 vote tie to get someoney lynched?

Vote:Beefy

As for White_eyes I don't really see anything from him thats suspicious. Ares isn't acting that scummy either so I dunno who we should lynch....

Why did you say "I dunno who we should lynch" right after you voted Beefy?

Vote: Tevash

seireikhaan

12-29-2008, 05:13

Yes it was flimsy - I thought GH was trying to dominate the conversation by falsely accusing White Eyes, is that not a strawman? If not, please tell me what the real definition is so I do not use it incorrectly any further.

As for the WIFOM, no I do not see it, but you claim it is there, and thus I defer to your more experienced judgment on such matters - I take your word for it, since it can obviously be confirmed by other players and accusing someone based on "false" WIFOM me will only get the conversation turned on yourself.
Falsely accusing WhiteEyes(of what? He admitted to having mis-interpreted his statement, apologized, and unvoted White Eyes :inquisitive:) is not a strawman. A strawman would be ignoring WhiteEye's defense and continue attacking, which GH did not do. For the definition, here's wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) for you.

WIFOM= Wine In Front Of Me, referencing the scene from Princess Bride. "Well, I wouln't use such odd behavior if I was a mafioso, but I might do it if I knew that you knew I wouldn't use such odd behavior. Unless I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that I wouldn't use such odd behavior". Basically, that's what WIFOM is. Saying "Well, yes I'm using WIFOM" is in itself more WIFOM. You're practically oozing the stuff.

Also a negative towards your behavior was the self-preservation vote towards the end of the first round of voting.

White_eyes:D

12-29-2008, 05:17

Well, with no kills to go off of.....I choose Vote:No lynch....since my simple paranoia is not enough...:book: (I still has no idea but even though you may vote for me for mentioning it GH...:sweatdrop:) I think we should look at the roles that got knocked off, maybe there is something there....and double check the write-ups....don't know maybe something is there?:shrug:

Yoyoma1910

12-29-2008, 05:37

Gentlemen, compare last night's write up with the previous.

Do you think it's possible that Quintus was the FBI agent?

This round is going very interesting. Currently I'm going to vote:nolynch, but will likely change it.

ULC

12-29-2008, 06:14

Falsely accusing WhiteEyes(of what? He admitted to having mis-interpreted his statement, apologized, and unvoted White Eyes :inquisitive:) is not a strawman. A strawman would be ignoring WhiteEye's defense and continue attacking, which GH did not do. For the definition, here's wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) for you.

WIFOM= Wine In Front Of Me, referencing the scene from Princess Bride. "Well, I wouln't use such odd behavior if I was a mafioso, but I might do it if I knew that you knew I wouldn't use such odd behavior. Unless I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that I wouldn't use such odd behavior". Basically, that's what WIFOM is. Saying "Well, yes I'm using WIFOM" is in itself more WIFOM. You're practically oozing the stuff.

Also a negative towards your behavior was the self-preservation vote towards the end of the first round of voting.

He falsely accused White Eyes of being the "FBI agent" role, which he wasn't, and of trying to lynch people based on role, which had long dropped and even said that it wasn't a good basis. I had nothing at the time but this, so I pursued it, hoping something would come up. Nothing did, as you have pointed out. And thank you for the link, I hope to actually use "strawman" properly now :laugh4:

I did say I know what WIFOM means, in fact, that's how I think, by trying to think like another. I try to keep turning the crystal in my hands, seeing as many new angles and faucets as I can, to see things from different perspectives as much as possible. It may lead no where, it may lead somewhere, but that is how I think.

And I said I am using WIFOM because you say I am, how am I supposed to say I am using WIFOM without actually saying I am using WIFOM (which is more WIFOM?)? Please clarify.

As to the "Defensive Vote" (against El Diablo?), How else do you want me to explain it? He voted for me even though he said Ares was more suspicious, but I was the easy target, and I called him out on it. He even admitted to using that vote to try and save himself.

TevashSzat

12-29-2008, 22:53

I'm tempted to vote everyone who's jumping on this ridiculous Reenk bandwagon, but I want answers from Tevash for this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2089483&postcount=217):

Why did you say "I dunno who we should lynch" right after you voted Beefy?

Vote: Tevash

Well, my vote for beefy was just basically a pressure vote to try to get him to talk. I had no intention of really gunning for him to be lynched and was just trying to get the discussion away from the fairly worthless discussion that was going on before.

As for my later statement, white_eyes and ares were in the lead to be lynched, but neither seem that scummy to me, which is what I was referring to.

woad&fangs

12-29-2008, 23:33

Vote: TevashSzat

After doing a quick readthrough of your posts it appears that you were the first to push for a mass reveal yet you then said this :inquisitive:
Hmmm.....I dunno, we're still just randomly voting....I would think that ATPG assigned the roles randomly rather have some predetermined role be the FBI/traitor

Beefy187

12-30-2008, 01:30

Vote: TevashSzat

After doing a quick readthrough of your posts it appears that you were the first to push for a mass reveal yet you then said this :inquisitive:

Its both effective. In round 1 there is very limited stuff to go on with, might as well reveal our roles so we got something to go on with. Also its nice feeling to know the talents amongst our gang.

What he later said is also correct. FBI agent and the traitor is not likely to be someone who is extremely obvious. So this is also likely to be true. Now we have a rather large WIFOM.

I don't blame Tevash for voting for me. However I do want to say I've been fairly active.... Well I hope so. So if you were really after pressure votes, weren't there better options?

woad&fangs

12-30-2008, 01:35

Tally

Chaotix-1
Shlin-1
YLC-1
Reenk-2
Beefy-1
Tevash-2
NoLynch-2

Beefy187

12-30-2008, 02:08

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority yes?

What if its a tie between few players and no lynch? Is there a possibility that it will be no lynch?

Thermal

12-30-2008, 03:32

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority yes?

What if its a tie between few players and no lynch? Is there a possibility that it will be no lynch?

not sure, by the way i wasn't really bandwagonning reenk, just agreeing that it would be nice to hear from him, and his response was very poor

unvote: reenk roink

i don't suppose no lynch will help at all, but i may have to use it seeing as the clues are pitiful

Askthepizzaguy

12-30-2008, 09:03

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority yes?

What if its a tie between few players and no lynch? Is there a possibility that it will be no lynch?

No lynch will be the case if there is a majority. I am not sure what I will do if no lynch ties with a person, I may just wait for a tiebreaker, or I might randomize it, or I might select whichever choice is worse for town.

Quintus.JC

12-30-2008, 13:23

So I come back from my little holiday and fmyself systematly lynched from all the games... :no:

Go town :sweatdrop:

Askthepizzaguy

12-30-2008, 13:32

Chaotix-1
Shlin-1
YLC-1
Reenk-1
Beefy-1
Tevash-2
NoLynch-2

The tally is tied between No Lynch and TevashSzat. I have decided that the next vote will break the tie.

Vote :whip:

Beefy187

12-30-2008, 13:56

Chaotix-1
Shlin-1
YLC-1
Reenk-2
Beefy-1
Tevash-2
NoLynch-2

The tally is tied between No Lynch, Reenk Roink, and TevashSzat. I have decided that the next vote will break the tie.

Vote :whip:

I believe theres only one vote on Reenk as you seemed to count Ares' mistaken vote :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

12-30-2008, 13:58

My bad.

I need tally assistants, stat. :wall:

Okay, edited.

ULC

12-30-2008, 14:17

Vote: No lynch

The cases against Tevash is not very strong (hell mines stronger by far), so I'd rather the day remain uneventful with no lynch and continue the discussion into another day.

Beefy187

12-30-2008, 14:27

Vote: No lynch

The cases against Tevash is not very strong (hell mines stronger by far), so I'd rather the day remain uneventful with no lynch and continue the discussion into another day.

But I want someone to die.. :sweatdrop:...:clown:

Jokes aside, I suggest we lynch someone today. If we don't next phase will be exactly the same. No one dead. No further lead. Furthermore, as our host kindly put it Time is running out, I believe if we don't find that FBI agent... Everyone loses (except that FBI dude)

As for traitor. Since we are getting golds, traitor is probably wanting to be the last one alive to get all the gold for him self. So we have to lynch the bugger but FBI should be our first priority.

To do that, we need more much more discussion, much more fuzzy votes. Much more arguments just like GH and YLC had. Lets do something!

Askthepizzaguy

12-30-2008, 14:31

Day Four

CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

The criminals on board the ship have again decided to spare one another. The clock is ticking... if we are to make a move, it has to be now.

The observation continues, and nobody suspects a thing, but the situation is dangerous. That's what I signed up for.

Night Four-

The tanker sailed on... every cabin was locked tightly. They all survived until the next morning. But there was at least one person sweating profusely, possibly more.

Begin Day Five.

Still Alive:

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
Aries777777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

woad&fangs

12-30-2008, 16:32

Vote: YLC

Because the FBI will win if we keep nolynching. But perhaps you already knew that:whip:

ULC

12-30-2008, 17:40

Yoyoma1910

12-30-2008, 17:50

And what? Vote for Tevash and have people jump on me for lynching on poor evidence? No thank you, I have to defend myself from Khaan enough :laugh4:.

Seriously, how do you know the FBI would win? Are you in fact certain of that? What evidence clearly points to the FBI winning if we do not lynch everyday to find him? What convinces you Tevash is the FBI agent? Please state clearly why your in a sure fire mood to lynch at all?

Quote:
CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

The criminals on board the ship have again decided to spare one another. The clock is ticking... if we are to make a move, it has to be now.

The observation continues, and nobody suspects a thing, but the situation is dangerous. That's what I signed up for.

I agree with W&F. It sounds like we need to catch the FBI agent quickly.

ULC

12-30-2008, 17:55

I looked at that and interpreted it in a different way then you. To me, it would be very unfair to impose a time limit on the town, so in my mind, it's merely stating that the FBI Agents time is running out, not the towns. That is my opinion of the current situation.

As for WF vote however, how is it founded? He voted for me on the basis that I did not lynch Tevash - if the Agent is Tevash, then vote Tevash, correct?

Askthepizzaguy

12-30-2008, 18:42

I want to say here, I am loving this discussion. Everyone is doing a fairly good job at thinking critically and keeping an open mind.

Chaotix

12-30-2008, 19:33

Yoyoma1910

12-30-2008, 19:34

I want to say here, I am loving this discussion. Everyone is doing a fairly good job at thinking critically and keeping an open mind.

Does that mean that you hate the discussion, and that everyone is thinking in a close minded manner?

And where's the friggin' sharks with laser beams we were promised? I want to lodge a formal complant with "mastermind" of this operation.

TevashSzat

12-30-2008, 19:37

And where's the friggin' sharks with laser beams we were promised? I want to lodge a formal complant with "mastermind" of this operation.

Umm......someone forgot to put salt into the shark tanks so all of them died. We got the laser beams, but they're just laser pointers and don't really do much damage unless you stare at it

Yoyoma1910

12-30-2008, 19:42

Umm......someone forgot to put salt into the shark tanks so all of them died. We got the laser beams, but they're just laser pointers and don't really do much damage unless you stare at it

I guess that's what happens when you don't have a "logistics expert" on you squad. Who's the accountant? I voting for them for not coughing up the 10 bucks for a few boxes of salt.

shlin28

12-30-2008, 21:55

seireikhaan

12-30-2008, 23:17

Un-freakin'-believable. This is embarrassing. The town won't even use its lone, single weapon against the mafia. :no:

Vote: YLC

I will not stop until you are lynched or exonerated through a detective.

Yoyoma1910

12-31-2008, 00:54

Hmmmmm... Yoyoma says "we need to catch the FBI agent ASAP", yet votes no-one. I mean, withholding you vote so that more discussion take place is all well and good, but basically in this game the only thing we gained this phase was the FBI note, so all of the scummy behaviour that may have occured would have occured already before, so we should all have enough info to vote for someone without waiting for further discussion.

Vote: Yoyoma, for waiting when he should be lynching.

:smg:

That is true. Last round I didn't change my vote, as I thought I would. I've been a bit distracted lately.

Anyway, I didn't say that until this round, because I thought last round we had possibly caught the FBI agent, since there wasn't a FBI log in the write up as there had been the previous night. Also, the way it was writen seemed to lead itself to sound like someone had been caught. Now I see I was in error.

I'm going to vote:Aries. I still find his playing style suspicious.

Beefy187

12-31-2008, 01:25

Looks like I had my theory right. FBI agent has to be caught ASAP.

YLCs have been fairly constructive. Creating discussion and voting for someone. FBI strategy would be stay on low profile. Which does not fit YLCs behavior.

Although I did vote for Tevesh, I don't think its likely that the gang leader is the mole. Thats way to straight forward from my liking. His good to go for now.

I am more worried about White_eyes and Yoyoma for voting for no lynch. ATPG would not let us vote for no lynch over and over again. We have to start lynching people, ignoring the casualties or else, FBI is going to snatch his victory.

Yoyomas excuse is rather lazy but at least he came up with a excuse. I am going to vote White_eyes even though I know that his going to start a huge Beef steak fest.

Vote: White_eyes

Thermal

12-31-2008, 01:36

Yoyoma1910

12-31-2008, 01:55

Yoyoma, may i ask why you find me suspicious? this always happens :juggle2:

i would also point out that choatix and seireikhaan bandwagon voting against YLC for being constructive and making some good points IMO , is a bit hasty (i just couldn't bring myself to put FoS towards them :clown: )

So, someone tell me who to vote for and why, and i will, my vote is in your hands, i think.... :shrug:

Well, I guess I've never fully been convinced of your innocence, but I'm trying to keep an open mind, as noone else seems to agree with me. :shrug:

:surprised: i'm thinking now that there might not even be a mafia, and atpg is having us on, maybe the mafia can't kill, and they literally have to talk there way to a win and survive the lynches, this must be the safest mafia ever, considering its a board of thief's and bandits that surprises me, so.... another round of mindless voting i assume :shrug:
This post sounds fishy to me.

i hope im not put in the lime like for this but im doing u all a favour breaking the tie

unvote: W&F
vote: quintus
sorry but i think shlins innocent, hes always voted out soon, and he is roleplaying, sorry quinus, just to move us on :shrug: i think your the more likely of the two
Reenk Roink had already broken the tie.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________

Yoyomas excuse is rather lazy but at least he came up with a excuse. I am going to vote White_eyes even though I know that his going to start a huge Beef steak fest.

As you can see from this post last round, I was trying to analyze the situation by comparing the style and wording of the write ups.

Gentlemen, compare last night's write up with the previous.

Do you think it's possible that Quintus was the FBI agent?

This round is going very interesting. Currently I'm going to vote:nolynch, but will likely change it.

But I was wrong. It seems that when we don't lynch someone, or possibly every other night, we get an FBI file. But when we do execute someone, we don't get an FBI file, and instead get a murder scene.

Beefy187

12-31-2008, 02:16

But I was wrong. It seems that when we don't lynch someone, or possibly every other night, we get an FBI file. But when we do execute someone, we don't get an FBI file, and instead get a murder scene.

About Ares, I cannot fully agree with you. Ares theory at this point was fairly plausible. There is no kills so far other then the lynch. I doubt that there is even characters who can kill.

But as for the second quote, careless mistake Ares:smash:

I don't think evidence against Ares is enough to get him lynched. But I suppose some is better then none and we do have to lynch someone anyway.

Very good point about the FBI logs. Your absolutely right. The night when Quintus died we had no FBI logs but when we lynched no one we did. But I don't think convincing the towns for multiple none lynch is particular an easy job for the FBIs. So I don't think the number of logs got anything to do with FBIs victory conditions but rather how many turns he is able to survive.

Umm..

UnFoS: Yoyoma? :clown:

ULC

12-31-2008, 02:31

Well, it seemed clear enough to me that we were running out of time. I think it would make for an extremely boring game if the town sat around and didn't lynch and the mafia sat around and didn't kill. In fact, if the town and mafia aren't trying to kill each other, it doesn't make for much of a game at all.

So I would therefore reason that since the FBI Agent's goal is to get rid of us all, he must have some other method to doing it than killing one of us each night. Perhaps that method is a time limit: some sort of a helicopter raid or something, that would take a certain amount of days to reach the tanker. We need to get rid of the Agent before he can order that attack.

I see YLC as looking for more reasons to stall, and that stands out as scummy to me.

Vote: YLC

Again, I am not drawing the same conclusion you are about our time to catch the FBI agent, that would be very unfair to the town if we had only a mere handful of turns to lynch someone, and it unfairly tips the balance of the game in favor of the FBI agent. Your making snap judgements based on unprovable data, or even nonexistant data.

Your all willing to jump on me for voting no lynch, but in my eyes the FBI agent is not Tevash, and so I went with what I thought was the best option. Were not going to get many clues in this game people, ATPG said so himself, so we can't just go lynch crazy and hope something comes up in the write ups - we have to depend on verbal discussion to win this one, between ourselves.

I am not stalling, that's a ridiculous notion. I advocate the use of the lynch, but I advocate it's use wisely - IMHO we would have gained, if not lost, something if we lynched Tevash, and so I took IMHO, the best course of action.

That said, no one yet has explained the logic behind why I should have voted for Tevash reasonably well yet.

GeneralHankerchief

12-31-2008, 02:46

Apologies for my absence, I've been doing stuff IRL.

Vote: GH

Until I catch up on the thread.

Beefy187

12-31-2008, 02:51

Unvote, Vote: YLC

In normal mafia, towns are lynching someone every night. That is because mafia gets the kill every night, especially when theres more then 2 kills, towns are in deep trouble unless they lynch the scums real quickly.

However this mafia is different from any game I have played in so far. Because no one dies during the night. Well at least so far no one has died. If thats the case then there is nothing which would stop the towns from not lynching anyone for the whole game and the game drags on. Only possible theory that the host can do is invent a role who wins if they survives number of rounds. And ATPG notices us by saying stuff like "time is running out"

It will make sense as we are about to steal the gold bars. And if FBI agent manage to survive until we actually goes for the gold, he can notify the police or what ever which place we are stealing from and can catch us without a warrant.

If we keep up our no lynchs and ends up losing the game then its too late to cry and say we should've done that, we should've started to lynch peoples earlier. True there is no prove that the FBI wins on time limit but its plausible theory. And its probably more likely that its true then its not at this point.

As for lynching Tevash, I'm against it. True that Tevash may be a FBI or a traitor. But if he is a FBI we can sue him for tricking us in to doing bad stuff. And we'll drag him down with us to hell. He could be a traitor like Joker in the opening scene of 'Dark Knights' but from animes or mangas perspective, boss is 95 percent a decent good guy :clown: and is on our side. Boss who betrays their minions does not have honor :smash:

Tevash wasn't in risk of getting lynched last night. Ares unvoted and Ares accidentally had two votes on him. So at the end, it was just me I believe.

GeneralHankerchief

12-31-2008, 02:54

Unvote: GH
Vote: Tevash

I'm satisfied with his response to my question, but woad also made a good point against him and I want to hear him respond to that.

ULC

12-31-2008, 03:02

Unvote: GH
Vote: Tevash

I'm satisfied with his response to my question, but woad also made a good point against him and I want to hear him respond to that.

Are you speaking to me for clarity?

GeneralHankerchief

12-31-2008, 03:03

No. Tevash.

Beefy187

12-31-2008, 03:04

I read the opening setting again. Seems like I can't read for crap.:wall:

Well at least I seem to be on the right track about the FBIs role in this game

ULC

12-31-2008, 03:08

Um, what :inquisitive:?

As far as I can tell, it was between Tevash and No lynch, you weren't in the running Beefy...

Beefy187

12-31-2008, 03:10

Um, what :inquisitive:?

As far as I can tell, it was between Tevash and No lynch, you weren't in the running Beefy...

Nah Tevash had 1 vote. I voted for him. Ares voted for him.. Twice. Then unvoted. So he had one votes at least the last time I checked.

I meant I voted for Tevash, not I was in the running. Sorry. :shame:

ULC

12-31-2008, 03:11

It's fine Beefy

I would kindly ask that the Host end the day early :bow:

Beefy187

12-31-2008, 03:12

Wrong again.:wall:

me and ares voted for Reenk. Dear me.

Lynch me now for my stupidity :wall:

Sorry YLC

Unvote: YLC

TevashSzat

12-31-2008, 03:22

Unvote: GH
Vote: Tevash

I'm satisfied with his response to my question, but woad also made a good point against him and I want to hear him respond to that.

I wanted the role mass reveal b/c ATPG often has hints in his writeups. These hints are most likely related to each person's role on the ship. Thus, it would be the best if we know who everyone was beforehand.

That being said, these roles were probably randomly distributed so voting for people due to their role name's mafia like qualities with just ridiculous.

Umm.....can anyone put up a tally?

ULC

12-31-2008, 03:43

Tally
YLC - 3(Woad&Fangs, Chaotix, Khaan)
Yoyoma - 1(Shlin28)
Aries - 1(Yoyoma)
Tevash - 1(GH)

As best as I can tell, that is the current Tally :bow:

Beefy187

12-31-2008, 03:54

Ill go back to my original vote

Vote: White_eyes

Thermal

12-31-2008, 04:31

Reenk Roink

12-31-2008, 18:06

ULC

12-31-2008, 19:33

Chaotix

12-31-2008, 20:50

And now we have a huge bandwagon on YLC... :inquisitive:

I told you folks just to let me install cameras all aboard the ship but noooo... :rolleyes:

Vote: Chaotix27

You've been getting off the hook recently for whatever reason.

Yeah, what exactly have I done that makes me look suspicious?

To YLC: Your explanation seems to make sense for now, although I still believe our ideas on the game's mechanics are wildly different. Unvote: YLC for now, but I am still suspicious of you, and the repeated NoLynch tactic you were trying did look like stalling for time to me.

shlin28

12-31-2008, 21:01

If we are all so scared about this FBI dude why don't we just lynch one guy, vote no lynch the next day, see what the FBI agent says in his message, lynch another guy the next day, see FBI agent's message, and so on etc....

Its foolproof :smash:

Chaotix

12-31-2008, 21:17

Err... I fail to see the logic in that plan, shlin, could you perhaps explain further? :clown:

shlin28

12-31-2008, 21:46

White_eyes:D

12-31-2008, 22:02

Well... using my method we would find out for sure if the FBI agent is dead, and we could continuously monitor whether we are approaching this "thing" the FBI agent that "may" unleash upon us because we failed to lynch anyone.

If you guys dont like this plan, then there is no reason to not go back to the good old days of lynching people every day. :devilish:

Wait....Shlin's got a point here....didn't it say in the last write-up something about the FBI agent being "nervous"?? who came closest to being lynched last round?.....(wait a little while I need to catch up for a bit...I was busy in RL:shame:)

Edit:*sighs* no it didn't say anything about that....but I well give the tally last round anyway....
Chaotix-1
Shlin-1
YLC-1
Reenk-1
Beefy-1
Tevash-2
NoLynch-2

The tally is tied between No Lynch and TevashSzat. I have decided that the next vote will break the tie.

Vote

White_eyes:D

12-31-2008, 22:07

Vote:Tevash I think he might be the FBI guy or traitor maybe.....:book: but in this game who knows :shrug:

woad&fangs

12-31-2008, 22:09

Why do you think he is the traitor/agent?

edit: also Ares' last post seemed really scummy...but didn't someone say that that is just his normal playstyle? Gah! All these new players have me in a tizzy over who to vote for...

White_eyes:D

12-31-2008, 22:11

Why do you think he is the traitor/agent?

No REAL solid evidence but just a 'gut feeling' :shrug:

woad&fangs

12-31-2008, 22:16

unvote: YLC; Vote: whiteeyes :D

There's over 300 posts in this thread and 10ish players to choose from. Surely by this point you can find a better reason to vote then "a gut feeling".:whip:

White_eyes:D

12-31-2008, 22:22

nope, why don't you come up with a better reason?:whip: (it's like your protecting him or something.....:inquisitive:) My play style is to go off evidence but since there is little to none.....I got nothing :shrug:

Edit: and the FBI agent seems close to winning...I think....( I mean this IS a weird Mafia game....with no killing's....only lynchs...)

TevashSzat

01-01-2009, 01:10

About me voting for quintus last round, i didnt realize reenk broke the tie, regardless in a way its useful having plenty of votes on a person to stop someone doing a last minute change, probably resulting in no lynch, and a likely stronger FBI, i don't think YLC id guilty but i'm usually wrong

vote no lynch
only because i'd be seen suspiciously if i voted for tevash or yoyoma, and there isn't any others i would vote against :shrug:

Okay, let me get this straight. you were down to

1) yoyoma - which we don't have any real evidence against, but then....he posted some suspicious stuff about you didn't he
2) me - because I answered GH's question sufficiently????

Vote: Ares

Whiteyes - 2(Beefy, woad)
Tevash - 2(GH, white_eyes)
Aries - 2(Yoyoma, Tevash)

YLC - 1(Khaan)
Yoyoma - 1(Shlin28)
Chaotix - 1(Reenk

Beefy187

01-01-2009, 02:11

I don't get it. Why you voting for Ares Tevash?

White_eyes:D

01-01-2009, 02:23

I don't get it. Why you voting for Ares Tevash?

No kidding......:yes: ok, I never must go with my 'gut feeling' then Unvote:Tevash
If he was the FBI or traitor he would have jumped on me like Beefy and W&F....Vote:Beefy and yes, it's a counter-vote:yes: (I mean Beefy you have been voting for me at random with hardly any point given......but then again a 'gut feeling' is not good enough it seems, just vote for who you think is scummy with no real evidence given....:thumbsdown:)

Beefy187

01-01-2009, 02:41

No kidding......:yes: ok, I never must go with my 'gut feeling' then Unvote:Tevash
If he was the FBI or traitor he would have jumped on me like Beefy and W&F....Vote:Beefy and yes, it's a counter-vote:yes: (I mean Beefy you have been voting for me at random with hardly any point given......but then again a 'gut feeling' is not good enough it seems, just vote for who you think is scummy with no real evidence given....:thumbsdown:)

Reason.. Do you need other reason then its new years and the fact that I love you do you:clown:

Not much biggy White_eyes. Its just the fact that if my memory serves me correctly, you voted no lynch last round which makes you likely to be the FBI agent.

But rather then voting for you, to tell you the truth Im more tempted to go after Ares for voting No lynch this round.. Where we finally realized the threat of FBIs. Most likely to be innocent but still.. Notice the atmosphere and the current situation Ares :whip:

Other then that, there is not much to go on with. Everyone has been scummy at least once in this game, and no one stands out.

Thermal

01-01-2009, 04:02

Okay, let me get this straight. you were down to

1) yoyoma - which we don't have any real evidence against, but then....he posted some suspicious stuff about you didn't he
2) me - because I answered GH's question sufficiently????

I don't find anyone suspicious, the only reason i would have voted for you or yoyoma is to decrease the chance of YLC being lynched, who has been bandwagonned against unfairly, are you trying to twist what i am saying?

If me voting no lynch for the first time in the game when most other players already have voted no lynch is scummy, then that doesn't make sense :shrug: do you force me to vote? it will likely mean i'll use self preservation, then i'll get killed again for saving myself, like fillet royale, and that will be another town on your death pile, i'm just being honest, if my honesty in previous posts has got me into a suspicious light then thats strange :shrug:

White_eyes:D

01-01-2009, 11:56

Reason.. Do you need other reason then its new years and the fact that I love you do you:clown:

Not much biggy White_eyes. Its just the fact that if my memory serves me correctly, you voted no lynch last round which makes you likely to be the FBI agent.
I was not the only one.....:juggle2: but whatever....all the Agent has to do is wait....vote randomly....make a post that 'seems like it helps'...then repeat until victory... (I mean as long as he is not in the cross hairs I doubt he would care much who gets lynched....:wall:...I mean Reenk, Khaan, GH.....they all could be the Agent at random....unless the traitor does something soon, I think this game is over....that's if the traitor CAN do anything *lack of murders, so far:sweatdrop:*.....:thumbsdown:)

Edit: Could the traitor be a lurker? I mean it could explain the lack of murders?:smash:

Quintus.JC

01-01-2009, 13:20

Edit: Could the traitor be a lurker? I mean it could explain the lack of murders?:smash:

I mentioned this very obvious fact earlier, and it got me lynched. :furious3:

White_eyes:D

01-01-2009, 16:02

I mentioned this very obvious fact earlier, and it got me lynched. :furious3:

Well, I might be right behind you.....:sweatdrop:

TevashSzat

01-01-2009, 18:52

I don't find anyone suspicious, the only reason i would have voted for you or yoyoma is to decrease the chance of YLC being lynched, who has been bandwagonned against unfairly, are you trying to twist what i am saying?

Exactly, if you see that YLC is being bandwagoned unfairly, why didn't you try to accuse the people who voted for him? Mainly, Woad&Fangs, Chaotix, and Khaan? They would have a better chance of being guilty than me or yoyoma

If me voting no lynch for the first time in the game when most other players already have voted no lynch is scummy, then that doesn't make sense :shrug: do you force me to vote? it will likely mean i'll use self preservation, then i'll get killed again for saving myself, like fillet royale, and that will be another town on your death pile, i'm just being honest, if my honesty in previous posts has got me into a suspicious light then thats strange :shrug:

It is okay to not make up your mind about who is guilty, but don't vote for no lynch. That way, you may contribute to the chance of have no lynches. If you don't vote for anyone, that way at least you won't interfere with the efforts of others.

Askthepizzaguy

01-01-2009, 20:06

Woad Vote WhiteEyes
Chaotix Unvoted
Shlin Vote Yoyoma
Seireikhaan Vote YLC
Beefy Vote WhiteEyes
GH Vote TevashSzat
Yoyoma Vote Ares
Ares Vote No Lynch
Reenk Vote Chaotix
WhiteEyes Vote Beefy
Tevash Vote Ares
YLC: No vote?

Please confirm tally is correct, as I seem to be dyslexic or something about it.

White_Eyes: 2
Ares: 2
No Lynch: 1
Chaotix: 1
Beefy: 1
Yoyoma: 1
YLC: 1
TevashSzat: 1

YLC and Chaotix: Votes please. Either break the tie or at least vote No Lynch. Time is almost up, so get those votes in.

Askthepizzaguy

01-01-2009, 20:14

I mentioned this very obvious fact earlier, and it got me lynched. :furious3:

Shhh.... :quiet:

Dead cannot post. This was OK, because you didn't reveal anything.

Thermal

01-01-2009, 20:17

fair enough tevash

unvote
vote seireikhaan
:bow:

Chaotix

01-01-2009, 20:45

Argh! I just had this whole post layed out explaining my reasons and then it got deleted and everything because of the stupid server.

To sum it up:

I might have voted for YLC otherwise.
But I've been more or less instructed to break the tie.
Neither White Eyes nor Ares is particularly suspicious.
White Eyes is spamming the thread and causing nonsense.
Vote: White Eyes

seireikhaan

01-01-2009, 20:50

fair enough tevash

unvote
vote seireikhaan
:bow:
I would like to point out that I've been harassing YLC the entire game over his behavior, and thus accusing me of bandwagonning is rather incorrect. And seeing as White Eyes was lynched instead for some reason, I will continue harassing him.

Askthepizzaguy

01-01-2009, 21:07

White_Eyes: 3
Ares: 2
Chaotix: 1
Beefy: 1
Yoyoma: 1
YLC: 1
TevashSzat: 1
Seireikhaan: 1

Writeup to follow.

Yoyoma1910

01-01-2009, 21:38

I know we're past the whole, whose job is what, and that might make them guilty phase, but I was just thinking...

We've lynched the guy that knows how to drive the boat, and now the guy who knows how to drive the truck.

Does anybody left know how to drive?

Askthepizzaguy

01-01-2009, 21:45

Day Five

The crew met once more after another uneventful night. This time, they were growing impatient and wanted to ensure there was no traitor among them. After the vote, things were tied, and they waited for one of them to change their votes. As soon as White_Eyes knew the tie had been broken, he made a mad dash for the exit. The rest of the crew began firing at him, but he managed to get to the door.

Several bullets impacted him in the back, but he grasped the handle and pulled... to no effect. The door had been locked. He turned around, blood pouring from his mouth and stomach, and he tried to lift his weapon. Another spray of fire completely obliterated his face, and his skull exploded. A messy corpse dropped to the ground, and a pair of white eyes rolled along the deck as the ship swayed.

No one wanted to clean up the mess, so they decided to hold their meetings in another room from now on. They solemnly went back to their quarters, and decided to wait to see what would happen at night.

Night Five

CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

Another close call today. I am confident that our equipment will not be detected. So far, all has gone according to plan. We cannot afford another day like yesterday.

I am curious to see which of the crew attempts to murder at night. I am keeping a close watch, hopefully his activities will be discovered.

Everyone remembered to lock their doors, and none of them dared to unlock them for any reason. The remaining crew survived the night, again...

Still Alive:

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Begin Day Six.

Askthepizzaguy

01-01-2009, 21:51

Just a reminder to my little friend; don't forget to send in your murder selection during the day phase, if any.

(Maybe he forgot?)

Yoyoma1910

01-01-2009, 21:52

CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

Another close call today. I am confident that our equipment will not be detected. So far, all has gone according to plan. We cannot afford another day like yesterday.

I am curious to see which of the crew attempts to murder at night. I am keeping a close watch, hopefully his activities will be discovered.

White Eyes was tied with Aries, and there was an early lead on YLC. I believe our agent may be one of these two

ULC

01-01-2009, 21:56

Hmmm...it was as I suspected, we have two people on board to eliminate - an FBI agent and a Traitor. Or, we may have a vigilante on board who has yet to do anything (or can't).

GeneralHankerchief

01-01-2009, 21:57

White Eyes was tied with Aries, and there was an early lead on YLC. I believe our agent may be one of these two

You guys would know better than me. Does ATPG usually do this kind of stuff in his write-ups?

seireikhaan

01-01-2009, 21:58

Vote: YLC

Same reasons as before. :coffeenews:

ULC

01-01-2009, 21:59

Yes he does, but he does so often misleadingly or esoterically - what should be obvious isn't with him (played all his games and should know :laugh4:).

Yoyoma1910

01-01-2009, 22:00

You guys would know better than me. Does ATPG usually do this kind of stuff in his write-ups?

Well, this isn't the typical Pizza game. He usually gives some sort of clues, though they can be vague. However, he said specifically clues would be few and far between... Then again with Pizza, that might mean there are tons of clues, and he doesn't want us to know about them...

Askthepizzaguy

01-01-2009, 22:03

Sorry, forgot to add this:

A note was found pinned to White_Eyes' body the next morning.

"In the Eternal Darkness of the night, there is a fine line where you may find me"

That is all it said. It looked as though it had been written backwards, from someone who may be ambidexterous. It would be difficult to do a handwriting analysis.

ULC

01-01-2009, 22:03

Vote: YLC

Same reasons as before. :coffeenews:

Everyone, please vote for me for this phase, so SK can stop this nonsense and we can move on to better suspects.

Vote: YLC, to speed up the process

shlin28

01-01-2009, 22:12

Another close call today. I am confident that our equipment will not be detected. So far, all has gone according to plan. We cannot afford another day like yesterday.

Although this may sound like our salvation, this just sounds far too fishy to me. Its just too obvious...

Of course, that does seem to be the only clue we got. So I will Vote: Ares

I guess we will have to get rid of the remaining suspect one way or another... :devilish:

shlin28

01-01-2009, 22:13

Thermal

01-01-2009, 22:14

White Eyes was tied with Aries, and there was an early lead on YLC. I believe our agent may be one of these two

why do you have a vendetta against me!? :inquisitive: that could apply to any with votes against them this round and previously, he said there would be pracetically no clues, so i doubt he'd do anything as bold as that unless it is to confuse and make town lose

Yoyoma1910

01-01-2009, 22:16

I'm sorry, I was going to look else where this turn, but to me the potential clues point at Aries. I know he's just playing his method, and I'm not trying to pick on him.

Maybe it's all to miss lead us.

Anyway, here' my reasons:

Sorry, forgot to add this:

A note was found pinned to White_Eyes' body the next morning.

"In the Eternal Darkness of the night, there is a fine line where you may find me,"

That is all it said. It looked as though it had been written backwards, from someone who may be ambidexterous. It would be difficult to do a handwriting analysis.

Points to a handwriting expert, and if we look at this line: "In the Eternal Darkness of the night, there is a fine line where you may find me," one may note that Aries is the only name that sits in between people who reside in the "Eternal Darkness" of death.

Still Alive:

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Begin Day Six.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on the mater right now. I'm not trying to bend the evidence in my favor, that's simply how I see it at the moment. If anybody has another interpretation I'm up for listening.

Vote:Aries

Thermal

01-01-2009, 22:17

In regard to that note, I guess it means that it is very easy to hide or somefin familiar... it also says handwriting analysis is very hard to do on that...

But, Ares is da forgery dude, so...so... I say that he is the FBI agent/traitor! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

yes that does sound like a plea against me so :shrug: do what you will, ATPG's write ups are so twisted, is the FBI at such a dis-advantage that he has to slip in clues about townies? jeez

Yoyoma1910

01-01-2009, 22:20

Reconfirming current vote in unedited post:

Vote:Aries

seireikhaan

01-01-2009, 22:25

*Deep in his cryo sleep, Sigurd wonders why YLC haven't voted himself yet*

Because that is a stupid tactic, and I have no urge to prove my innocence with it. If the town thinks me guilty, then lynch me. If you think me innocent, vote for who you think is guilty. I'm not going to waste the towns time by screwing around like that.

Everyone, please vote for me for this phase, so SK can stop this nonsense and we can move on to better suspects.

Vote: YLC, to speed up the process
YLC is scum, resorting to tactics he himself has stated were "stupid".

Thermal

01-01-2009, 22:26

tally

ylc - 2
ares - 2

try and get 7 votes against me again, if i die then i want my lucky number in it!

GeneralHankerchief

01-01-2009, 22:34

Thermal

01-01-2009, 22:38

Vote: YLC

Because I dislike those who vote for themselves. Also, I get to follow a bandwagon. https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Finally, I caution everybody not to just lynch someone because they're next on the list. Let's keep analyzing once one of these two (presumably) is gone.

that last sentence was contradictory :inquisitive: you say not to lynch someone bcause there next on the list then say get rid of me and ylc in effect, as ATPG said in my family guy mafia, judge someone on there behavior not clues, seeing as he just been taught that lesson it would be a coinceidence if he used it

GeneralHankerchief

01-01-2009, 22:39

I was assuming that one of you two would be lynched.

woad&fangs

01-01-2009, 22:55

vote: Aries https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif
though YLC seems somewhat suspicious as well.

I might change my vote later after yet another readthrough of this thread:sweatdrop:

ULC

01-01-2009, 23:10

-Offtopic- Love your "bandwagon smilie GH, I fell to the floor laughing at it

-Back ontopic and on a more serious note- Yet it has worked has it not? You're after me Khaan, and anything or say do you'll do whatever you can to discredit it and get me lynched, so yes, I am taking the stupid, asinine, but speedy (and obviously effective :laugh4:) way out, so I can then actually be taken seriously...unless you have an alternative?.

TevashSzat

01-01-2009, 23:12

Vote:Ares

For the classified FBI log and the explanation yoyoma presented earlier

Tally:

Ares - 4 (Tevash, Woad, Yoyoma, Shlin)

Ylc - 3 (GH, khaan, ylc)

Note: Edit was for tally, not vote

Askthepizzaguy

01-01-2009, 23:27

In fairness, I think you guys deserve a more direct hint.

Look over everything I've said to you with a critical eye. My tongue is forked like a serpent's.

Chaotix

01-01-2009, 23:41

Vote: Ares, as I think Yoyoma's explanation makes sense with the type of clues ATPG usually leaves.

Also, to YLC, if you die, I don't think you're allowed to post anymore, so you'll have to stay alive if you want to be helpful- not the other way around.

EDIT: By the way, in addition to Yoyoma's analysis:

It looked as though it had been written backwards, from someone who may be ambidexterous.

Isn't Ares the forgery expert? A forgery expert would be good at concealing his own handwriting. Perhaps the fact that it would be difficult to perform a handwriting analysis is a lead to the possibility that there is only one person aboard the ship who can change his handwriting style.

ULC

01-02-2009, 00:23

Vote: Ares, as I think Yoyoma's explanation makes sense with the type of clues ATPG usually leaves.

Also, to YLC, if you die, I don't think you're allowed to post anymore, so you'll have to stay alive if you want to be helpful- not the other way around.

No, I am not, but anything I posted premortem you'll be able to take seriously. But on another note, if you want my help now, don't jump on Ares because of the note - it's just too obvious, and second, notice that it's "Eternal Darkness" not "eternal darkness", thus meaning this is referring to something specific, not just a general idea such as "death". A quick Google gets me this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Darkness)

The other half of the letter though, I have no clue.

Beefy187

01-02-2009, 00:52

Although I think theres a deeper meaning in that letter, I really don't have the skill to interpret it.

Ill follow the bandwagon on Aries just because his the forgery expert and backwards writing is hard to write.

Vote: Ares

Just wondering why they would leave the message though. It kinda backfires (I know Pizza guy is the one whos doing it but)

I've read through all the posts so far. Still can't find a answer to the riddles and the meaning of the note, I found a passage in the opening thread which pretty much describes what we are dealing with.

Any FBI agent would not simply kill them, he would be waiting for the appropriate moment to contact headquarters, gathering information every night. But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself.

Meaning while the FBI agent has the ability to kill, his real objective is to survive till they gain enough information. Also several passages shows that FBI are watching out for the traitor. Suggesting possible traitor resistance.

The traitor waited for the appropriate moment to make his move. If he could survive long enough, he would not be so outnumbered, and he could gun down the others.

I believe the traitor wont get to use his ability until the number of gang gets reduced down to certain numbers. Or maybe he has a percentage of kill success rate and he is not risking to make his move until he has a high percentage. One of the two.

However that doesn't make this game too different from the normal mafia games. Perhaps God (ATPG) has some surprise waiting for us.

Congrats to YLC for actually getting something out of that clue. Only thing I got is a youtube clip of Paul (something... Forgot his name) singing.

Found this book called "The Tome of Eternal Darkness" which appears in the game "Eternal Darkness"

"Fine Line" may mean some line in that book leading to either the FBI agent or the Traitor

seireikhaan

01-02-2009, 03:51

:inquisitive:

Something isn't right here, guys. Why on earth would Pizzaguy leave such an obvious clue to the mafia's identity? While I must give kudos to Yoyoma for the analysis, I must respectfully disagree with the intent. I have a distinct feeling that the "clue" if it is indeed an actual clue and not something to make us chase our own tail around with, is designed to be more in a series of clues, or something to be used in the future. Why are we chasing semi-clues from the host instead of thread behavior? This seems all too easy...:no:

Thermal

01-02-2009, 03:54

Isn't Ares the forgery expert? A forgery expert would be good at concealing his own handwriting. Perhaps the fact that it would be difficult to perform a handwriting analysis is a lead to the possibility that there is only one person aboard the ship who can change his handwriting style.

this point has been made several times, it was my idea to do role reveals and look where its got me :laugh4:

Thermal

01-02-2009, 03:55

seireikhaan

01-02-2009, 03:59

thats what i thought, but try telling them that! :wall:
I just did.

ULC

01-02-2009, 04:07

I just did.

And I pointed it out as well. This is not strong evidence, and it makes me believe the Host did not write this at all, but either the Traitor or the FBI did and they asked ATPG to put it up. It seems crafted to implicate Ares, all the while meaning something else, or I am just following it to far and it was only ever meant to implicate Ares.

:shrug:

Thermal

01-02-2009, 04:11

I just did.

:inquisitive: yes, i guess you did

:inquisitive:

well i'm not gonna get worked up like i did in fillet royale, what will be will be

seireikhaan

01-02-2009, 04:12

Problem with that hypothesis, YLC, is that it was (at least supposed to be~;p) in the lynch writeup. I have never heard of a host letting the mafia have influence of lynch writeups. So I don't think it was so much planted as just useless tripe with which the host wishes to confuse us.

ULC

01-02-2009, 04:14

GeneralHankerchief

01-02-2009, 04:28

Well, at least we agree it is garbage at least until something else comes up. If IIRC though, didn't one of the original mafia games have mafia influence in the lynch write up? Something about a Cadmium chain that got Discovery lynched I believe, or some such.

I think I have some authority to speak on this subject. :toff:

No, in my games the lynch writeups have solely been my domain. The mafia can influence the kill writeups, but the lynch scene is and has always been The Forbidden Zone.

(BTW, just because I'm anal, Disco's partner Masy made it an osmium chain, which unknowingly implicated Disco)

ULC

01-02-2009, 04:29

Yes, I knew it was yours! Although I got the Osmium wrong :laugh4: I read through that whole thing believe it or not, some interesting things come up in your mafia games GH :laugh4:

Beefy187

01-02-2009, 07:06

Strictly speaking it was done during the night phase not the lynch scene. So I think someone set up Ares is possible.

But hey.. What else is there to go on with right now?

shlin28

01-02-2009, 15:31

Looking over ATPG's warning, it does seem that Ares seemed to be framed. I am very tempted to unvote him, if we actually have any evidence against anyone apart from him and YLC. ( I don't see how YLC voting for himself is scummy, I do it all the time :2thumbsup:)

I would say our FBI agent lies amongst this tally, crossing out Ares and YLC, we have 5 people that could possibly be the FBI agent, and all of them had come under suspicion a lot in this game it would seem.

Ares: 2
Chaotix: 1
Beefy: 1
Yoyoma: 1
YLC: 1
TevashSzat: 1
Seireikhaan: 1

Choices choices choices... *reads over the entire thread again* I will see if I can dig anything up.

Yoyoma1910

01-02-2009, 15:56

Hmmm.

I was hoping my analysis would drum up more discussion and less joining...

I still personally feel that Ares is a good suspect, but then again if he is innocent, this wouldn't be the first game I've found him highly suspicious unduly in see Beefy game, Duel of Fates. I'd also note that I am only human, and my interpretation of what is written could be swayed by my own prejudices.

I don't know, Ares, something about your playing style always seems to make me wonder about your motivations.

Though I do agree, especially with Pizza's last comment, that this worm likely has a hook in it. Then again, he could be intervening to throw us off the scent he placed himself.

Perhaps "Eternal Darkness" has to do with those that lynch El Diablo. Or perhaps its supposed to imply a relationship with YLC's resident evil game... I don't know?

Reenk Roink

01-02-2009, 17:33

I've never played a Pizzaguy Mafia game before so forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think basically everything he has posted is smoke and mirrors (the roles, writeups, and his clues). This based on how Pizzaguy plays at other times.

I mean look at this:

Another close call today. I am confident that our equipment will not be detected.

:rolleyes4:

This kind of contradictory and confusing message is typical of what we've got so far. My guess is that Pizzaguy is helping the Mafia because he made the game stacked against them. I remember skimming his Futurama Mafia and noticing he mentioned doing the same thing for the town.

I don't like how woad&fangs and General Hankerchief just jumped on the bandwagon with poor reasons (as compared to TevashSzat and Chaotix27 who look less like "I just want to get that guy lynched) that is going on for Aries and YLC, who may be suspicious, but as of now are driving the discussion. We shouldn't punish them for it.

Vote: woad&fangs

Thermal

01-02-2009, 21:15

vote: Aries https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif
though YLC seems somewhat suspicious as well.

this in-particular sums up what reenk said, that you said me and YLC are suspicious with no explanation relying on others logic for your motives, i have nothing to go on, and as i'm not suicidal, i may vote against you too :shrug:

shlin28

01-02-2009, 22:03

I keep getting the feeling that Ares is TOO suspicious for him to be guilty... I'm probably gonna live to regret this... but... Unvote: Ares, Vote: Beefy

Bandwagonner. :smash:

Yoyoma1910

01-02-2009, 23:43

@ Reenk:

I believe that line may be tied to this section from the opening post:

..........On this tanker filled with enough gold to buy and sell entire nations, the remaining 13 members of this group convened to decide who among them was the traitor... and who among them might have been an informant to the FBI... perhaps, even an FBI agent undercover. They watched each other very carefully. Any FBI agent would not simply kill them, he would be waiting for the appropriate moment to contact headquarters, gathering information every night. But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself.

Beefy187

01-03-2009, 02:09

This kind of contradictory and confusing message is typical of what we've got so far. My guess is that Pizzaguy is helping the Mafia because he made the game stacked against them. I remember skimming his Futurama Mafia and noticing he mentioned doing the same thing for the town.

I don't see how that clue could help the mafia. Its more likely for the town

And in Futurama mafia, Pizzaguy did help a town with lots of clues but he made the professor mafia so we were pretty much stuffed from the start :smash:

To Shlin: Cmon! I'm fifth on the wagon!! :clown:

Reenk Roink

01-03-2009, 17:29

The problem I have with the statement is that the log says "close call" which suggests he was close to being lynched? That seems to be a hint that the FBI Agent is one of the people who were voted for that round.

However, he then says he is "confident that our equipment will not be detected" which is weird because firstly what equipment? And worse, now he is confident that something will not be detected right after he said that was a close call... :dizzy:

Thermal

01-03-2009, 17:34

this in-particular sums up what reenk said, that you said me and YLC are suspicious with no explanation relying on others logic for your motives, i have nothing to go on, and as i'm not suicidal, i may vote against you too :shrug:

vote: woad & fangs

i'm not just voting for him because he already has a vote, you all know that voting is incredably differcult (well considering im the suspect its differcult for me anyway) i just believe hes a tad bit more suspicous than the rest of you guys

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2009, 04:10

Okay, Day is over. I have a heck of a writeup to do, so last minute vote changes and/or actions need to be in NOW or else they won't count.

A tally would be LOVELY.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2009, 04:23

Tally, for your correcting pleasure:

Seireikhaan Vote YLC
YLC VOTE YLC
Shlin Votes Beefy
Ares votes W&F
Yoyoma votes ares
GH vote YLC
W&F Vote Ares
Tevash Vote Ares
chaotix votes Ares
Beefy votes ares
Reenk votes W&F

Writeup to follow. Orders are in... no takebacksies.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2009, 04:34

Day Six

777Ares777 knew before the tally was even finished that he was the unlucky winner by a mile. "Before I die, I just have one thing to say... Die Yoyoma!!!" He lifted his weapon and began firing at Yoyoma, but he dove behind a metal crate and the rest of the crew opened fire. Ares dropped to the ground, blood dripping from his mouth, but he managed to mumble "I should have killed you sooner..." Everyone looked at Yoyoma with interest, but he just shrugged, as if to say "I have no idea what the hell he was talking about". Yoyoma offered to have his weapon taken away from him that night to prove his innocence, but some of the others suggested he might need it in case of a night murder.

They all began to discuss their situation. There had to be some way of proving their innocence, perhaps by doubling up in their quarters, so everyone has their eye on someone else. Others suggested that there would be no way anyone would be able to fall asleep with a gunman in the room with them, and that the locked cabin doors had worked just fine so far.

Everyone retired to their quarters for the evening...

Still Alive:

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Night writeup to follow... exciting stuff...

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2009, 04:53

Night Six

In YLC's cabin, our lord and conqueror was fast asleep, dreaming of winning Pizzaguy's mafia game and getting all the gold for himself. However, this perhaps was not to be, for the cabin's door lock was picked open. A shadowy figure entered the room, and a gleam of light flashed off of the needle he was holding. The figure moved closer to YLC and was about to jab him in the stomach with it, when suddenly YLC's loud snoring startled his would-be attacker, and he dropped the syringe. It broke into many pieces and the poison inside spilled all over the deck.

Unwilling to make such noise as to shoot YLC, the shadowy figure crept out of the room and closed the door behind him. YLC awoke with a start, and noticed his room had been broken into.

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Several doors down, another figure used a stolen set of keys to open a cabin door, and the figure moved inside. GeneralHankerchief was fast asleep, clutching his automatic weapon. The intruder took out his tool kit and used tranquilizers to ensure that GH would not wake up. Then he took out his surgical tools and began to make a precision cut into GeneralHankerchief's chest cavity. He was just about to remove the pulsating heart when he heard shuffling behind him in the hall. He quickly and quietly got up and made sure the door was closed and locked. When he was sure the hallway was clear, he scrambled to safety, leaving GeneralHankerchief with an open chest wound and in serious pain when he woke up, dizzy from the blood loss, but the murder incomplete.

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Back in YLC's cabin, another intruder moved in for the kill, but YLC was nowhere to be found. The would-be murderer slipped away, and remained undetected.

Results:
Three attempted murders, all failures
Three successful escapes.

Ten players remaining.

CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

Reports indicate that the criminals on board the tanker are starting to panic, a sharp change in behavior from the previous nights. I am uncertain how to proceed, because I feel that now is not the time to reveal myself.

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Begin Day Seven

Beefy187

01-04-2009, 05:26

Vote: Yoyoma

Also

FoS: Khaan, Reenk

Possible suspect of the two murder attempts.

GeneralHankerchief

01-04-2009, 05:43

Vote: khaan

Claimed plastic surgeon. The intruder made a "precision cut" into my chest using "surgical tools".

Beefy187

01-04-2009, 05:47

Judging from the role, the second murder attempt was done by the Plastic Surgeon.

First one is possibly Reenk as he seems to be expert on locks although I am not sure.

This rules out YLC, Khaan and possibly Reenk from being FBI as YLC dreamed about taking the gold for him self, Khaan for using surgeon stuff for his kills (as they seem to be cover roles for FBI and the traitor, if he used surgeon stuff for his kill he is real surgeon)

The first kill and third kill may be done by the FBI or the traitor.

Also there is no mention of him being closed to lynch in the FBI log. Perhaps the FBI wasn't voted yesterday. Colour red means the player was not voted

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777 (dead. Possibly had ability to investigate?)
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC (Probably not FBI. Suspect of traitor)

As Yoyoma was named by Ares upon death, he is one of my major suspect for being the FBI.

GeneralHankerchief

01-04-2009, 05:55

Judging from the role, the second murder attempt was done by the Plastic Surgeon.

First one is possibly Reenk as he seems to be expert on locks although I am not sure.

This rules out YLC, Khaan and possibly Reenk from being FBI as YLC dreamed about taking the gold for him self, Khaan for using surgeon stuff for his kills (as they seem to be cover roles for FBI and the traitor, if he used surgeon stuff for his kill he is real surgeon)

The opening writeup indicates that every person performed their task proficiently until now - i.e. the roles are more than a cover, the people are actually good at them. If somebody was the traitor or FBI agent (especially the traitor), that doesn't necessarily mean that they wouldn't use their expertise when killing people off.

Also, I'd like to know why YLC was out of his bed last night during the second murder attempt.

seireikhaan

01-04-2009, 05:56

Pizzaguy, how much input does the mafia get in writeups?

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2009, 06:02

I write them myself, but someone had asked if they could suggest a method of murder.

seireikhaan

01-04-2009, 06:11

Vote: YLC

For slinking out of your cabin. Where were you?

Beefy187

01-04-2009, 06:16

Vote: YLC

For slinking out of your cabin. Where were you?

I interpreted that YLC was freaked out by the first murder attempt and went for a better hide out by default.

But if there is a reason behind it, I would like to know to..

(My head aches.. Why did I peek the Hunk thread :wall:)

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2009, 06:16

Why did I peek the Hunk thread :wall:

Quoted for truth.

Why, indeed!

Beefy187

01-04-2009, 06:23

Quoted for truth.

Why, indeed!

Don't expect me to come back to org for a while... At least not for another day. I dont know if its the Hunk Thread or the 32 mandarin oranges I ate today, but I am feeling really really sick. I bet my 2 penny on the mandarin because I'm supposed to be immune to male nudes and boys love>

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2009, 06:31

I bet my 2 penny on the mandarin because I'm supposed to be immune to male nudes and boys love>

Over the years I've built up a strong immunity. All you have to do is stare at it for a very, very long time, and eventually, it becomes less exciting. The only problem with that is, you end up looking for more, and then it becomes an addictive obsession.

Uh... I mean...

I like women. Lots and lots of hot women. Oh, yes, women. Mmmm. So good. https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/DROOL.gif

ULC

01-04-2009, 12:09

To answer the question why I was out of my room, I have no clue - I received no PM asking if I wanted to, or never once sent a PM to ask that I leave my room. So I am at a bit of a loss as to why I was not in my room. But I would like to point out something - we had 3 murder attempts, not 2. To me, this means we have a handful of options.

1) Vigilante, Traitor, FBI Agent
2) 2 Traitors, FBI Agent
3) 2 FBI Agents, Traitor

Either way, I think I and SK have a attracted a lot of attention to have us targeted and framed in such a way, and I think this requires communication between at least two of the attackers - the 2nd and 3rd more precisely. The first attempted to use a "syringe" filled with "poison", to me this is most likely our FBI agent, since this seems to implicate Khaan - yet the very next murder someone uses "surgical tools" to try and kill GH, yet another attempt to implicate Khaan, which sounds like no communication at all between the two, and thus we can actually discount Khaan from the suspects - people are actually trying to frame someone and doing a horrible job of it.

We don't have much on the third except that I seem to have attracted their attention, so this is either an FBI agent or Vigilante - FBI because I believe the first attack was FBI and thus they wanted to make sure I was dead, or Vigilante because I am extremely suspicious and to them I am better dead then alive.

Two other peculiar things - Yoyoma was implicated for some reason by Ares for a breach of "trust"? Why? We can't ask Ares, but we can ask Yoyoma - So please explain Yoyoma.

Vote: Yoyoma

The second anomaly is that everyone attacked on the same night - no build up at all, just a sudden 3 murder attempts. To me that sounds like our killers (possible Vig) received a PM stating that they could kill finally. But what changed to allow this? What was the trigger?

Chaotix

01-04-2009, 15:57

This is indeed very odd. Why three attempted kills all of a sudden when we're only supposed to have two SK roles? For now, I am very unsure of who to vote for. This will likely change if Yoyoma makes an explanationn for himself.

Vote: Yoyoma

woad&fangs

01-04-2009, 17:15

FoS: Khaan and YLC
Khaan for being the plastic surgeon and YLC for being out of his cabin. Its nice to have some actual nightime evidence to go off of.

edit: according to ATPG a few posts back, 1 murderer suggested a method of murder and the other 2 didn't. I don't know who is made suspicious by this yet, but it is more evidence.

Yoyoma1910

01-04-2009, 18:36

Well, I don't know why I was implicated during Ares lynching.

I assume it's because I've been constantly antagonizing him throughout the whole process.

GeneralHankerchief

01-04-2009, 18:48

All right, I've got about 20 minutes to kill. Let's try to break this down.

What we know:

- There were three attempted murders last night. This means that there are at least three people on board with the ability to murder. There is probably at least one vigilante in there, since the traitor and FBI agent are the only known bad guys.

- One of the attempts, a would-be heartectomy on me, was done in the style that would seem to implicate sereikhaan, who is the plastic surgeon. I voted khaan last night in a knee-jerk reaction (does anybody else's heart pound when you see your name in bold?).

- Two separate attempts were made on YLC last night. YLC was out of his room during the second attempt.

- ATPG has stated that the murderers can influence the kill scenes by suggesting means to kill people.

What we think:

- Judging by the failure of three separate kill attempts, there are probably too many people still to kill successfully. The baddies are lucky that none of them got caught.

- Two of the murder attempts had actual descriptions to them: YLC #1's and mine. According to woad, ATPG said that there was one attempt last night where the bad guy contributed. This means there's a 50% chance that khaan (the plastic surgeon) is being framed. However, if the murder attempt that had mafia influence was YLC #1's... khaan is our man more than likely.

- YLC was out of his room during the second attempt on his life. He claims ignorance. It's possible that he was just hiding elsewhere, and it may just be standard practice that once one attempt on your life is made, you're immune for the rest of the night. Time will tell on this. Of course, he might also be doing detective work, or, if these kills are in chronological order, he was the one who tried to kill me.

What we're not sure of:

- Ares in his lynching scene tried to kill Yoyoma, implicating him for some crime. It was said in one of the "Agent 824" descriptions that the FBI agent, when cornered, would strike back with deadly force. However, Yoyoma has also pointed out that he's been gunning for Ares since the start.

- We don't know exactly who tried to kill last night - whether the FBI agent, traitor, and a vigilante was involved, or some other combination. This complicates things somewhat. The town isn't sure what it's up against.

- YLC's dream seems to implicate that he is not the FBI agent, but I would discount this as a red herring.

~~~~~~~~~~~

I think, if we lynch YLC tonight, we'll get a few answers. We can use it to determine how many murder attempts there will be tomorrow or see if anybody else leaves their room, etc. In addition, it's well-known that khaan has been pushing for YLC's lynch very hard for a long time now. We'll see if YLC tries something similar that Ares did in the lynching writeup.

Unvote: khaan
Vote: YLC

shlin28

01-04-2009, 19:07

Interesting night actions.........

To GH:

- Judging by the failure of three separate kill attempts, there are probably too many people still to kill successfully. The baddies are lucky that none of them got caught.

Waitaminute, when did the host say this? ATPG only said "This is not your typical mafia game, and night phases will be uneventful for the most part. The traitor or traitors will have difficulty killing anyone. Simply make the correct guess and you are home free. As the game progresses however, it will become more dangerous.", which did not say how the number of people affect the chances of one killing another.

:inquisitive:

Vote: GH (Going against the crowd until someone proves that I am blind...:sweatdrop:)

On a more general analysis of that write-up, the most obvious explaination for 3 attempts is that there is a vigilante, but perhaps we should consider other possibilities? Like several traitors? Perhaps due to recruitment/initial roles given by da host? After all the host did say "Traitor or Traitors" in the first post... on the off chance that this is possibly correct we must tread carefully... :wall:

Yoyoma1910

01-04-2009, 19:10

General, I like your analysis, but I would like to add a few points from last night's senario:

Night Six

In YLC's cabin, our lord and conqueror was fast asleep, dreaming of winning Pizzaguy's mafia game and getting all the gold for himself. However, this perhaps was not to be, for the cabin's door lock was picked open. A shadowy figure entered the room, and a gleam of light flashed off of the needle he was holding.

YLC awoke with a start, and noticed his room had been broken into.

______________

The intruder took out his tool kit and used tranquilizers to ensure that GH would not wake up. Then he took out his surgical tools and began to make a precision cut into GeneralHankerchief's chest cavity. He was just about to remove the pulsating heart when he heard shuffling behind him in the hall.

______________

Back in YLC's cabin, another intruder moved in for the kill, but YLC was nowhere to be found. The would-be murderer slipped away, and remained undetected.

I write them myself, but someone had asked if they could suggest a method of murder.

1.) YLC was dreaming of winning the game, and having everything for himself. Someone is going to murder him with a syringe, but fails. He then wakes up.

2.) Someone attempts to make an obvious surgical style kill, but hears movement behind him, and flees.

3.) YLC is absent from his cabin, during a murder which states no method.

My theory is this: 'Khaan, the surgeon, who would have syringes, tried to off YLC. YLC then tried to off you, and plant evidence that would imply it was 'Khaan. And then someone else also tried to eliminate YLC.

Also, my thought is the the FBI agent won't get a kill, but instead a defense. It seems his job is to collect information.

From the opening post:
Any FBI agent would not simply kill them, he would be waiting for the appropriate moment to contact headquarters, gathering information every night. But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself.

I then believe the murders were split up between vigilantes and traitors.

ULC

01-04-2009, 19:44

Speaking of "But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself", maybe the FBI agent can only make a kill attempt if a kill attempt has been made upon him? That would be very hard to balance though, so it is unlikely. Nonetheless, in my opinion, GH is the only trustworthy person onboard the entire ship, he is basically cleared by having someone trying to open him up Aztec-style. His plan is a sound one, although if what was in the Lynch write up is meaningless (as in the case of El Diablo and Ares), then my lynch won't help at all - The Vigilante(s) obviously want me dead, so more then likely, I am dead this night anyway, so my lynch maybe a waste. I'll bet dimes to dollars that when I am lynched, I will say something about Khaan, and then the town will come down on him.

So we need to decide - do we bother to pay attention to the lynches and lynch based on them, or go only for the night write ups? The lynches may be meaningless, but we know they cannot be interfered with, or do we go with the night write ups, which we know can be tampered with?

Thoughts?

woad&fangs

01-04-2009, 19:46

vote:GeneralHankerchief

Shlin brings up a good point. Where has ATPG stated that the traitors/FBI could get caught if they don't succeed with their kill? I don't remember seeing that anywhere in the thread but it is the kind of thing I would expect to see in a mafioso PM.

My earlier FoS remains in place by the way. Its just that GH now seems like a prime suspect until he responds.

woad&fangs

01-04-2009, 19:50

ULC

01-04-2009, 19:58

One more thing. WTF was with the attempt on GH? Who the heck tries to kill a person by cutting out their still beating heart?:dizzy2::skull:

That seems like a pscho serial killer style kill, not a FBI/rogue gangster style hit. Is this one the one where the mafia had a say in the writeup or is that style just to be expected from ATPG?

Have you played his other games WF? The man literally loves to kill the players in the most gory fashion as possible, even if there is no call for it. In his Simpson's game, Lisa was turned into a torso, in my Resident Evil game, he was always very descriptive in how he ate his victims as a zombie.