A different time? [Archive]

white_star

12-19-2008, 23:25

First I just have to say I love EB1 and have great expectation on EB2. And I kinda wish you where working for CA. Great job to y all!

But now I wanna head out a question to all fan and members. I am no expert on ancient history. But after seeing and playing EB1 and 2. Which time period would you like to play? For example for E:TW? Just read an Article and thought it would be kinda cool to take controll over Herodes empire. Or maybe spark (and win) the rebellion in Britain with Boudicca at my side.

Wich ancient period end empire would you like to see the EB team to recreate?

a completely inoffensive name

12-20-2008, 00:35

I wonder what kind of reaction this will get out of everyone.

Aemilius Paulus

12-20-2008, 00:57

The EB Team is not CA, they are highly specialized, which is part of why EB is so splendid. Most of the EB historians (and all of the historians in general for that matter) have exceedingly in-depth knowledge about one specific time period and location, knowing much less about other periods/places. In order to move on to a "different time", much of the EB Team will have to quit and new recruits will have to be found. Its tough. Of course, my wishes are the same as yours, I want a different EB as well - I love Asia ton Barbaron and I wish it was the successor of EB I, but alas, not everything happens according to our wishes...

Bronze Age EB would also be nice, but only after AtB.

Megas Methuselah

12-20-2008, 07:08

Yeah, I doubt EB will ever go for a different timeframe.

Bronze Age EB would also be nice

Even if it isn't EB, a bronze age TW is just sweet... :yes:

a completely inoffensive name

12-20-2008, 07:52

Majd il-Romani

12-20-2008, 17:47

It can't go to a different time frame. Everyone on EB is there because they are knowledgeable about the ancient period of the 3rd through 1st century B.C. Changing the time frame renders them useless, and since they are essentially EB, it would an entire new group as EB in name only.

dude, I think the OP was saying that "if you could have a mod as good as EB in a different time frame what would it be" not "the eb tem should switch timeframes"
but anyways, I would RRREEEEAAALLY want to see Egypt in its prime like in RoP. :egypt:
or an ancient American mod with all of the Aztec, maya, chinnok, etc

Subotan

12-21-2008, 00:57

Bronze Age EB would also be nice, but only after AtB.

Win. Although any period in China would be ace as well.

Aemilius Paulus

12-21-2008, 01:19

Yep, with Hittites, Egyptians, Assyrians, Medians, Minoans, Mycenaeans, Mitanni, Elamites, and maybe even some barbarians from Northern Greece or the Philistines and Jews who migrated to the Modern-day Palestine following the catastrophic Theran eruption? The same eruption that destroyed the world's most advanced civilization until the Medieval times - the Therans as well as Minoans for that matter too.

Pontius Pilate

12-21-2008, 01:39

I would like to see a timeframe from 14 A.D. to 180 A.D. Although I doubt it would ever happen. Bronze age seems cool and so does late antiquity too. maybe early Byzantine period?

Aemilius Paulus

12-21-2008, 02:06

I would like to see a timeframe from 14 A.D. to 180 A.D.
Yes, I'd like an EB in that period as well. Or actually, not that period, but more of during the times of BI. The changes were more apparent in 400 CE then they were in 14-180 CE, during which the Romans still had their "classical" Imperial units.

Indomenos

12-21-2008, 03:17

to be honest, i'd really just like an EB that started in c220BC instead of 272BC. for me the late 3rd century and the 2nd century are more interesting and would - in my ideal mod - be the focus of attention. admittedly, by that point rome is already pretty well established, so it possibly makes the game less exciting.

Strategos Alexandros

12-21-2008, 11:20

I'm going to be the only one to suggest this but I would really like a mod as historical as EB for 1450 - 1600 AD. The Renaissance, Classical and Hellenistic periods are my favourite parts of history.

/Bean\

12-21-2008, 11:38

I'd like to see EB start a bit earlier, maybe just a few years after the death of Alexander. Though I suppose very few of the factions would be integrated enough to make the gameplay possible. It's just we never get to see the height of the Successor Kingdoms powers, or the rise of Phyrros. Shame. Oh well, I'm very happy with EB, and can't wait for EBII. If you guys want different periods, learn how to make mods and then change the period yourselfs. It could be fun. :clown:

antisocialmunky

12-21-2008, 15:38

1850-1945 Total War.

Cute Wolf

12-21-2008, 19:12

Maybe made the campaign ended in 272 AD is fun enough, you can try to change it yourself in descr_strat

Majd il-Romani

12-21-2008, 19:55

how bout a 2000-2008 War on Terror - Total War :clown:

Subotan

12-22-2008, 16:30

1850-1945 Total War.
I think until 1954, when Stalin dies would be most interesting, as he was instrumental in creating Soviet domination over Eastern Europe.

how bout a 2000-2008 War on Terror - Total War :clown:

:smash:

Holy Rome - Total War would be interesting, if you could fight the 30 Years War.

Cartaphilus

12-22-2008, 18:12

By the way, is there some nice mod about the V century and the barbarian expansion?
BI does not count.

ombudsman

12-22-2008, 18:45

By the way, is there some nice mod about the V century and the barbarian expansion?
BI does not count.

Invasio Barbarorum (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113), IB:RR starts in 410,with the Visigoths rampaging through Italy, Imperium Julianorum starts in 361, with Julian as sole ruler of the roman empire, Rio´s IB:FD starts in 463 or 432 in the provincial campaign. Very good mods! What EB is for R:TW, IB is for Rtw:BI. :yes:

Cartaphilus

12-22-2008, 20:26

Invasio Barbarorum (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113), IB:RR starts in 410,with the Visigoths rampaging through Italy, Imperium Julianorum starts in 361, with Julian as sole ruler of the roman empire, Rio´s IB:FD starts in 463 or 432 in the provincial campaign. Very good mods! What EB is for R:TW, IB is for Rtw:BI. :yes:

Thanks, I will try them.

Hax

12-22-2008, 22:24

Hax: Total War

Aemilius Paulus

12-22-2008, 23:26

Holy Rome - Total War
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Hax: Total War
Bah, blatant spam. Isn't your post count high enough, or are you going for the 2,000?

Invasio Barbarorum (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113), IB:RR starts in 410,with the Visigoths rampaging through Italy, Imperium Julianorum starts in 361, with Julian as sole ruler of the roman empire, Rio´s IB:FD starts in 463 or 432 in the provincial campaign. Very good mods! What EB is for R:TW, IB is for Rtw:BI. :yes:
Yeah, that mode is very nice, but it still lacks the completeness of EB. The trait system is not as developed in IB, which is my favorite feature of EB and the skins are very simple and awkward-looking, although that is a minor problem for me.

The EB Team is not CA, they are highly specialized, which is part of why EB is so splendid. Most of the EB historians (and all of the historians in general for that matter) have exceedingly in-depth knowledge about one specific time period and location, knowing much less about other periods/places. In order to move on to a "different time", much of the EB Team will have to quit and new recruits will have to be found.
Take note of that if you haven't already. All these ideas are absolutely splendid, but they are nothing more than a dream. I could see a 1 CE to 500 CE mod or a 500 CE to 300 CE mod being made by the EB team, but even that is pretty ambitious and unrealistic.

Siruso

12-23-2008, 03:33

Yeah the archaic and classical greek world would be so tight.

Siruso

Hax

12-23-2008, 13:03

Bah, blatant spam. Isn't your post count high enough, or are you going for the 2,000?

Welcome to the .org!

Strategos Alexandros

12-23-2008, 16:57

Hax: Total War

I would play it. :beam:

Aemilius Paulus

12-23-2008, 17:26

Welcome to the .org!
Oh, you maybe all smug and heroic now, but just wait 'till MAA or Foot lock this thread!!

I would play it. :beam:
Seriously, enough is enough. I don't mind your remark at all, but I am sure the moderators fell different and would not like to have this thread locked. No more off-topic posts please. If you disagree and you want to answer this post, then just PM me, but don't post off-topic on this thread anymore.

EDIT: Sorry to be such an ass, but I would rather not have this thread clossed.

Hax

12-23-2008, 21:57

I see, Aemilius. My apologies.

However, I spoke with Intrepid Adventurer about this some time ago, and he was also very interested if there was indeed an EB centered about the "barbarian" invasions of the 3th and 4th centuries AD. I would also really like an EB centered around the eastern portion of Asia, say China, Korea, Japan around 1000 AD.

oudysseos

12-24-2008, 09:36

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned my favourite period, starting ca. 380 BCE. The Peloponnesian Wars have stumbled to a close and it's all to play for. Sparta has a tenuous upper hand since the end of the Corinthian War, but Athens is poised to rise again. Persia is on the brink of invading Pharonic Egypt, Rome is looking to recover from the sack of their city, and just maybe the right man could forge the warring states around Macedon into a force to be reckoned with.

There's be loads of interesting factions to play; Illyrians, Paionians, Odrysian Thrace, and Macedon; Thebes and the Boetian League (the Sacred Band!), Sparta, Athens and Corinth as city-states; the twilight of Achaemenid Persia; the 30th Dynasty in Egypt under Nectanebo; Scythians at their peak; in Italy you'd have Gauls, Etruscans, Rome (just recovering from being burnt by Brennus), Samnites, Megale Hellas; and Syracuse and Carthage to round it off.

By 380 BCE both Phillip of Macedon and Darius III of Persia had been born, but their future was by no means certain. Great men of the time would include Epaminondas, Pelopidas, Iphicrates, Xenophon, Artaxerxes II, Agesilaus, Cleombrotus and Dionysius the Younger being tutored by Plato.

There'd probably have to be a whole new map, stretching form say Italy in the west to Bactria or Sogdiana in the east.

It's a pipe dream.

Aemilius Paulus

12-24-2008, 19:34

Yes, that is also one of my favorite time periods, but it is not as radically different from the EB period to make a unique game. Bronze Age, Late Roman period and Renaissance are all very different from the EB time period, whereas 4th century BCE is rather too similar. I know one can argue against me easily, presenting numerous valid arguments, but think relative. You time period is right next to the EB one, and pretty much all of the BE mechanics and basics are going to be the same, with different skins and factions.

Then again, I would really love to see that period being rendered by EB. Most excellent idea you have there. The differences may not be so great, but I would still love to see EB set in that period. If EB could be set in that period, that would roughly correspond with RTW: Alexander and if EB would do late Roman period, then we would have an equivalent of BI. Now that is my dream, along with AtB!

Strategos Alexandros

12-24-2008, 20:58

[wishful_thinking]You know, if enough of us got together we might be able to move EB to the time period of Alexander. Get permission to use Rise of Persia's Persians, PIs Italians etc.[end_wishful_thinking]
But seriously, what factions might be included in an EB alexander

Hax

12-24-2008, 22:25

- Makedonia
- Aitolian League
- Achaian League

- Taras
- Epiros (?)
- Syrakuse

- Roma
- Etruscii
- Persian Empire

- Magadha
- Kyrene
- Meroe

======================

Anyone got more ideas? ^_^

Strategos Alexandros

12-24-2008, 22:35

Were the Boeotian league still around?

Hax

12-24-2008, 22:42

I'm not sure. However, if any people are interested, I'm going to create a Social Group concerning this idea. So if any of you wish to look at it or have some ideas that you want to post, why not!

You can find the group here (hhttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/group.php?groupid=50).

desert

12-24-2008, 23:08

There should be more factions in Italy. Roma was one of the weaker factions at the time.

Subotan

12-25-2008, 00:52

Samnites? Etruscans? OOH Ligurians?

Hax

12-25-2008, 01:35

Okay:

So, just to start out:

EB: Alexander

Factions:

1) Makedonia
2) Aitolian League
3) Achaian League
4) Persian Empire
5) Meroe
6) Nanda Empire [India]
7) ?
8) Kyrene
9) Pontos
10) Syrakuse

11) Roma
12) Piceni
13) Samniti
14) Etrusci
15) Ligurians (?)
16) ?
17) ?
18) ?
19) ?
20) ?
21) Eleutheroi

desert

12-25-2008, 01:36

He included Samnites and Etruscans in his list.

desert

12-25-2008, 01:42

Ok, you have Meroe in there twice.

And why Pontos? It wasn't an independent kingdom yet.

Maybe some Lucanians, Sabines, Sabellians, and a few Celts?

Oh, and Dahae.

Hax

12-25-2008, 01:55

I saw a map around 350 BC that included Pontos. I made a mistake by including Meroe twice, very handy yeah.

MarcusAureliusAntoninus

12-25-2008, 06:56

I would say that a mod about Alexander shouldn't include Italy. I'd say include the whole of India but end at Illyria in the west.

oudysseos

12-25-2008, 11:22

But what about a pre-Alexander mod? In 380-350 BC anything could have happened: Rome's dominance of the Italian peninsula was far from a foregone conclusion; if Phillip had died young I doubt Macedon would have become a superpower; Persia was still the greatest empire the worl have ever seen; Athens and Sparta (not to mention Thebes and Corinth) were far from finished. If I had my druthers it'd be a more focused map, similar to RoP maybe, more cities in Greece, Anatolia and around the Black Sea, and more focus on the struggles of the future regional powers to achieve greatness. PLus you could have the old vanilla Egyptians back!:mickey:

Hax

12-25-2008, 11:35

Also; I'd like reforms for the Makedonians if they manage to do what Philippos did.

Subotan

12-25-2008, 12:57

I would say that a mod about Alexander shouldn't include Italy. I'd say include the whole of India but end at Illyria in the west.

Nt nessecarily. Alexandros planned to attack Italy after returning from India, and what was to stop him from attacking Italy rather than Persia?

Gleemonex

12-25-2008, 18:32

Nt nessecarily. Alexandros planned to attack Italy after returning from India, and what was to stop him from attacking Italy rather than Persia?

To drastically oversimplify: Persia had easier terrain, more riches and more profitable trade. Western Europe was a hotly-contested and highly fractious backwater in Alexander's time.

-Glee

Ludens

12-25-2008, 19:19

Nt nessecarily. Alexandros planned to attack Italy after returning from India, and what was to stop him from attacking Italy rather than Persia?

Three things. Firstly, Alexandros' cousin and ally, Alexander of Epeiros, was already going to Italy. Secondly, Alexander was already in a state of war with Persia, due to Parmenion and another general's army being in Asia Minor. Thirdly, the Greek alliance Alexander led had as official goal to attack Persia.

Anyway, do we know what Alexander was planning shortly before he was dead? I heard he planned to attack Arabia, Carthage, and now Italy. Off course it is possible he had imbibed delusions of grandeur, but what do we really know?

Subotan

12-25-2008, 22:05

Eh, well the possibility of attacking Italy/Illyria shouldn't be left out. That would be more inaccurate than him going to Italy, as the roal of these mods is to represent the starting conditions as much as possible, then leave it up to you.

MerlinusCDXX

12-26-2008, 01:16

Add in the Boii, and Veneti as Celtic factions. Boii= the guys that brought you the Sack of Roma. Veneti- in and around Patavium.

muha

12-26-2008, 07:18

Personally, I want to play the 19-20th centuries...WW1..and WW2.

I wanna play as Hitler and destroy Washington.

hope I didnt make any spelling mistakes..

Strategos Alexandros

12-27-2008, 11:39

Hax

12-27-2008, 14:01

Ah yes, I made a mistake in the url.

Try now: here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/group.php?groupid=50)

Gleemonex

12-27-2008, 20:22

Anyway, do we know what Alexander was planning shortly before he was dead? I heard he planned to attack Arabia, Carthage, and now Italy. Off course it is possible he had imbibed delusions of grandeur, but what do we really know?

One could debate whether they would be delusions, or simply observations :wink:

-Glee

Megas Methuselah

12-28-2008, 10:16

Puupertti Ruma

01-02-2009, 22:01

To be honest, I wouldn't enjoy am EB set in Alexandrian times. The presence of a single superpower and no balance of powers between smaller factions just really turns me off. Anyways, the EB Team has already stated it doesn't intend to switch time periods. This thread should be closed.

What? Locked! Why on earth? People are having a civilized conversation about what historical periods they would like to see realized as a mod done by some people as talented and thorough as EB team. It actually seems, that a fan made project like the Asia ton Barbaron could start just here! Just because you wouldn't see Alexandrian times interesting, doesn't mean someone else would love it. Threads get locked when people missbehave. Or spam it to death. I am sure you know this Methusaleh.

Moreover, even though the team will not change EB's timeline, it doesn't mean that fan projects or even the guys in the team couldn't do other projects. What I'm implying at is of course the now ceased Later Times project parts of the EB team was working on during the times of EBI. It would have used EB as a basis and would have started around 160BC IIRC. It would have been cool, with the Indogreeks and what not!