Let's Play Guess the Faction! (With Maps!)

[Sir Beane]

EDIT: Thanks to GSC and his incredible new maps this post has been edited to include the new info. That means the faction lists will change, and people's suggestions in the posts below may not make a lot of sense.


This thread is there so we can use the screenshots and video screencaps of the campaign map mini-map to guess factions in each of the three theatres. This post is cross posted from another thread. I decided to start a new one because my post doesn't really fit in with the theme of that thread. Mods can merge/delete as they feel appropriate, but I feel this topic deserves it's own thread.


Anybody want to help me identify all of the different factions? Sorry that the numbers are in odd places. I tried to go anti-clockwise but it didn't work as well as planned.


Europe and India

https://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3194/eurasiaempiresmapnumberiv6.jpg

Picture courtesy of GSC, plus me and two minutes with Paint.net

Playable factions in bold:

1. Britain (confirmed)
2. France (confirmed)
3. Spain (confirmed)
4. Portugal (confirmed)
5. The Empire of Fez and Morocco
6. The Barbary States
7. The Ottoman Empire (confirmed)
8. Persia
9. United Provinces (confirmed)
10.The Small German States, including; Baden, Württemberg, Rhineland, Palatine, Saarland, Hesse, Westphalia, Lower Saxony, Bremen, and others.
11. Denmark and Norway
12. Sweden (confirmed)
13. Hannover
14. Prussia (confirmed)
15. Poland - Lithuania (confirmed)
16. Duchy of Courland
17. Bavaria
18. Saxony/Some other German state
19. Wurttemberg
20. Swiss Confederation
21. Savoy (confirmed)
22. Genoa (confirmed)
23. Venice
24. Tuscany/Florence
25. The Papal States (confirmed)
26. Austria (confirmed)
27. Khanate of the Crimea
28. Mughal Dynasty (confirmed)
29. Mysore (confirmed)
30. Maratha (confirmed)

More factions yet to come when GSC finishes his map!


India

https://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6061/indiacampaignwe6.jpg

On the image 3 and 6 have been decided to be the same. 6 has moved to 7 (Ceylon)

1. Mughals (confirmed)
2. Safavid Persia
3. Marathas (Credit to Cynewulf) (confirmed)
4. Portugal (confirmed)
5. Mysore (confirmed)
6. United Provinces (confirmed)


North America

Thanks to GSC we have a much better picture!

https://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9546/northamericawithnumberset0.png

I'm having trouble finding a sbetter quality screenshot of the map for North America. If anyone can find one or has one it would be helpful.

1. England (confirmed)
2. France (confirmed)
3. Powhatan Confederacy (I used screenshots to confirm this) (confirmed)
4. Spain (confirmed)
5. Caddo (Credit to Fisherking)
6. United Provinces
7. Innu (Credit to Dradem)
8. Sioux? Blackfoot? (Credit to Fisherking)
9. Chippewa (Credit to Fisherking)
10. New info suggest this is just Spain


Interestingly enough while watching video 3/5 in high definition I noticed the following territory names.

*Telico, Kaintuck territory
*Chicasa, Cherokee territory
* ???, Iroquois territory

The Whole Thing

Here is the whole thing, courtesy again of GSC. It looks fantastic!

https://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7353/83916f49771610fd44ffca9yl2.png

[Noncommunist]

2. Afghanistan?

[caravel]

-Edit: Never mind.

[LordSardar]

Hmmmm...for Europe map, 9 is Persia....PARTS of area under 8 should have also been part of Persia in the period and is part of Persian/Iran today too...(Province of Azerbijan...not to be confused with the country of Azerbaijan just north of it, also probably in area 8)...no idea what faction that would be in the game. Azerbaijan the nation is probably not the faction tho cause it did not become a nation until 1920s I think...

[Sheogorath]

I'm thinking 2 is the Indians and 3 is the French in North America. Just a wild guess. But it would make more sense for the French to occupy that area.

It's kind of hard to guess some of these without a date, though...

[CBR]

AFAIK it is an older map and there has been some changes. 18 which is the duchy of Gottorp (or Schleswig-Holstein) is gone. 20 is Hannover. Saxony is the Polish coloured province south of Prussia.


CBR

[Sir Beane]

AFAIK it is an older map and there has been some changes. 18 which is the duchy of Gottorp (or Schleswig-Holstein) is gone. 20 is Hannover. Saxony is the Polish coloured province south of Prussia.


CBR

I had assumed the Polish coloured province was part of the larger Polish area. The colours are identical, even when zoomed in.

[CBR]

http://www.euratlas.com/history_europe/europe_map_1700.html The map is divided into 4 regions for zoomed in view.


CBR

[Fondor_Yards]

Number 3 in North America is definately New France. 2 is probably natives.

[Megas Methuselah]

I think that little, light blip of colour to the west of New France are the Five Nations (Iroquois)... It's kind of hard to see, though. :dizzy2:

EDIT: I'm assuming #3 is New France. But so is 2, isn't it? Gah! It's too small to tell!

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Looking at CBR's map, my pick of Saxony for 20 doesn't look so hot.

US #3 might be one of the Native nations (Iroquios Confederacy?), I doubt it's the US colonists but I can't really say. If the map is from the Road to Independence Campaign it probably is a Native faction since France still has parts of Canada (and thus the Campaign would be in the French&Indian War/7 Years War phase).

2 minutes after Methuselah. :D Great minds, hopefully. ~;p

[Sir Beane]

2 in North America is definitely France, since it is exactly the same colour as continental France.

I agree that my pick of the US for 3 is probably wrong. The map is from the grand campaign, not the Road to Independance.

[Megas Methuselah]

I wonder if that light-brown faction just below the British territory at James Bay is the Ottawa? Maybe Ojibway? :thinking: IIRC, the Ojibway were a very powerful tribe at this time (they had acquired guns early on through trade with the Europeans), with a lot of territory. Exactly where, though, is beyond my knowedge...

I'm confused about #3 though... Is that the Iroquois?

And where are the Hurons? After they were nearly wiped out in their early war with the Iroquois, they supposedly settled somewhere near Quebec or something...

EDIT: Good job with the clear map on North America, Sir Beane. You deserve a medal for it. :laugh4:

Btw, I'm completely guessing here. ^

[Thermal]

i think 6. for North america is portugal, may be wrong but i think it is :bow:

[General SupaCrunk]

It's Old Europe map, post newer!! :furious3:

[Martok]

Well I'm not much use in picking out factions in Europe, and no use at all in picking out factions in India. Therefore, I'll just stick to North America.... ~;p


1.) Obviously the British colonies

2.) It's definitely New France

3.) Pretty much has to be the Iroquois

4.) Again, quite obviously Spanish territory

5.) Given its location, I have a strong hunch that's the Sioux nation. They're a little too far west and south to be the Ojibway/Chippewa tribe(s).

6.) No idea

7.) Dutch (present-day Guyana, perhaps?)

8.) No flippin' clue. If they weren't so far west, I'd guess the Cherokee, but it's extremely unlikely that that's who it is.

[Martok]

i think 6. for North america is portugal, may be wrong but i think it is :bow:

Sorry, but Portugal never had any colonies in North America, only South America. ~:)

[Fisherking]

EUROPE

22 is Bavaria! The light blue tells you so…even without the checks

Saxony was in union with Poland-Lithuania by the map…not sure when it actually happened but obviously they start that way in the game.


INDIA

6 same as 3?

North America


8 Caddo alliance…no one else could be there, but the capital would be Nacogdoches. It makes me wonder where the more powerful tribes are, like the Choctaw ,Chickasaw& Creek! They were too strong and too important to leave out! But there my be subtle shades in 2

5 looks too far north to be the Sioux, but on one map I saw their capital in Black Hills.

3 Iroquois territory. Remember there are five tribes.

[Sir Beane]

EUROPE

22 is Bavaria! The light blue tells you so…even without the checks

Saxony was in union with Poland-Lithuania by the map…not sure when it actually happened but obviously they start that way in the game.


INDIA

6 same as 3?

North America


8 Caddo alliance…no one else could be there, but the capital would be Nacogdoches. It makes me wonder where the more powerful tribes are, like the Choctaw ,Chickasaw& Creek! They were too strong and too important to leave out! But there my be subtle shades in 2

5 looks too far north to be the Sioux, but on one map I saw their capital in Black Hills.

3 Iroquois territory. Remember there are five tribes.

For India six looks the same as 3 but zoomed in they appear to be different colours.

Thanks for all the help guys! It will be interesting to see how accurate these guesses are when the game os released.

[Fisherking]

Are there no better maps of North America?

Are we to believe that CA has included some of the unimportant Native Factions and included some that make practically no difference in history?

Are we going to have the Sioux and Apache in 1700 when they had no impact and leave out the Shawnee and Miami who basically held up western expansion for almost 50 years?
What are we to make of it?

And I am going to be particularly ticked off if the Choctaw are not in here. They served as scouts for Washington and later for Wayne. One of their Chiefs was commissioned a Brigadier General in the American army! What gives?

[LordSardar]

Hmmmm...for Europe map, 9 is Persia....PARTS of area under 8 should have also been part of Persia in the period and is part of Persian/Iran today too...(Province of Azerbijan...not to be confused with the country of Azerbaijan just north of it, also probably in area 8)...no idea what faction that would be in the game. Azerbaijan the nation is probably not the faction tho cause it did not become a nation until 1920s I think...

Err...can't edit my post (is it cause I am a Junior Member?)...but anyways, n/m...above post doesn't apply anymore with anymore with the new map...8 is def. Persia.

[Sir Beane]

Err...can't edit my post (is it cause I am a Junior Member?)...but anyways, n/m...above post doesn't apply anymore with anymore with the new map...8 is def. Persia.

It is because you are a Junior member. Don't worry though. Keep posting good stuff regularly and you will be a full member in no time. :beam:

[Fisherking]

The numbers have now changed on the North American map!

Now:
5 Caddo
6 United Provinces
7 ?
8 Blackfoot, maybe (way too far north for Sioux)
9 Chippewa

This map does not seem to have the same shading as the last. I am wondering if some of the tribes are the color of their allies, or nearly so?

[Martok]

Hmm. Looking at that new map of NA, I have to admit you guys are right about 8 being too far north for the Sioux. Blackfoot is as good a guess as any then, although personally I'm in the dark once more.

The Ojibway (Chippewa) would make sense for 9. They should really start with more land than that, however, as they also occupied & controlled a good chunk of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Still, a relatively minor quibble.

[Fisherking]

Hmm. Looking at that new map of NA, I have to admit you guys are right about 8 being too far north for the Sioux. Blackfoot is as good a guess as any then, although personally I'm in the dark once more.

The Ojibway (Chippewa) would make sense for 9. They should really start with more land than that, however, as they also occupied & controlled a good chunk of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Still, a relatively minor quibble.

I agree about the lands of the Chippewa, it is definitely lacking in size, but they moved in relatively recent times to the south. They drove out the Cheyenne and the Sioux from most of Minnesota as I am sure you know.
We can not see what is in all those empty lands.

The best I can do for number 7 there in upper Labrador is to guess that they are Inuit, or perhaps called the Sheshatshiu people.:sweatdrop:

:soapbox:
:furious3:I don‘t know what has happened to all the peoples that should be in the French territories, and some of the Spanish, but I can insure you that no matter who owned that land on paper it was not inhabited by very many if any Frenchmen.:whip:

At this point I will hazard a guess that, at least for the French, allied Tribes give them possession of a province and they can recruit from the tribes. Nothing else makes much sense from the map, because there were some very powerful tribes in those areas and only a few French trading posts. What happens later, if and when they change hands by means other than conquest I could not say.

But if there are no tribes there, who may somehow change alliance, then:hmg: I may be a tiny bit upset...:skull::skull::skull:


:beam:

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

We'll make EB fix them. :book:

[Jolt]

It's confirmed that Portugal is a playable faction? :o

[Sir Beane]

It's confirmed that Portugal is a playable faction? :o

Nope. But I'm gonig to go ahead and assume it is until I hear otherwise. If it isn't playable then it really really should be.

[CBR]

Portugal is AFAIK not part of the 12 playable factions. But you can easily unlock it of course.


CBR

[Herkus]

19. duchy of Lorraine / Lotring

[lars573]

North American map.
1. New England and Prince Rupert's land/Hudson's Bay company territory
2. New France ( Louisiana, Canada, and Acadia)
3. 6 nations confederacy, aka Iroquois (Mohawk, Onedia, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca, Tuscarora)
4. New Spain
5. I got nothing
6. Brazil
7. Innu nation or Naskapi tribe (either is accurate)
8. Could be Ojibwa, Cree, Dene, Sioux, Mandan, Assiniboine (I had to look up first nations groups in Manitoba, which is what this corisponds too)
9. Could be Ojibwa, Cree and Algonquin (again looked up first nations groups in Ontario)
10. Dutch territories I guess.

[Megas Methuselah]

I agree about the lands of the Chippewa, it is definitely lacking in size, but they moved in relatively recent times to the south. They drove out the Cheyenne and the Sioux from most of Minnesota as I am sure you know.
We can not see what is in all those empty lands.

Yay, I was right! Now I can play a TW game as some of my ancestors! I have no idea about the Cree, though...

@lars:

Chippewa is another name for Ojibway. I'm glad we all agree on their relative starting position! :smile:

The Iroquois were only composed of 5 nations at 1700, btw. And be careful when you look at maps of the tribes, a lot of them had shifted positions since 1700. For example, today there's some Chippewa in British Columbia, the other side of the continent.

[Jolt]

Portugal is AFAIK not part of the 12 playable factions. But you can easily unlock it of course.


CBR

Not being playable (As in being playable and being a detailed faction. I don't want Portugal as a mini-Spain) will lose CA a customer. They may win many North American ones with their 12 Colonies, or such, but they'll lose at least one in Portugal. :P

[Sir Beane]

Not being playable (As in being playable and being a detailed faction. I don't want Portugal as a mini-Spain) will lose CA a customer. They may win many North American ones with their 12 Colonies, or such, but they'll lose at least one in Portugal. :P


I wouldn't go so far as to not buy the game, but perhaps send them an e-mailed complaint or something.

Portugal really deserves a position among the twelve, it should not lose out to the Thirteen Colonies.

While I'm not Portugese, I am a big fan of your country and it's fascinating colonial history. :beam:

[Jolt]

Honestly, saying that a multi continental empire who had gigantic leverage in Imperial and colonial matters compared to: Austria, Poland, Prussia; and saying it should stay behind a poorly developed agricultural-based group colonies is wierd at best.

For Empire: Total War, Portugal deserves to be among the first 5, to be honest, as the standard colonial empire upon which all other colonial empires were based.

Anyways, on to identification of territories:

Europe, 10, that is an amalgamy of German territories. The Southern-most is surely Wuttemburg, going north, the middle one might be The Palatinate, the Northwestern one might be Hessen?, the northernmost is either Bremen or Oldenburg, I'd bet on the latter.

America, 10, that's Puerto Rico, therefore Spanish.

[Thermal]

Sorry, but Portugal never had any colonies in North America, only South America. ~:)

The people at the TWC told me different, there was a map, and that exact location had portugal on it :dizzy2:

[Lusitani]

Honestly, saying that a multi continental empire who had gigantic leverage in Imperial and colonial matters compared to: Austria, Poland, Prussia; and saying it should stay behind a poorly developed agricultural-based group colonies is wierd at best.

For Empire: Total War, Portugal deserves to be among the first 5, to be honest, as the standard colonial empire upon which all other colonial empires were based.



I wouldn't bother much Jolt. Portugal started the age of oversea's empires in 1415 and since ETW doesn't even have a global scope, doesn't make much sense to put Portugal in.
Portugal needs a bigger game to be present :P :laugh4:
Besides how many copies do you think they'll sell in Portugal compared to other countries? :juggle2:

So sorry for the off topic...and Happy New Years all!!!

[CBR]

It is of course not yet confirmed so still just speculation. Since USA cannot be a faction to pick from in the year 1700 I doubt Portugal lost out to them. Being a small isolated neighbour to Spain and most of its historical colonies not part of the 3 regions in ETW, it does not look good for Portugal as being one of the 12 playable factions.

The chapter 4/5 - Road to Independence video suggest two playable factions in India: Maratha and Mughal. And same video shows what appears to be special icons for 12 factions (under the diplomacy screen) which seems to be the 12 playable factions and there is no Portugal there.


CBR

[Thermal]

anyone know more about the maratha? not much info on them is there, other than there in africa

[Fondor_Yards]

https://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4938/northamericawithnumbersxg8.png

Any idea of what/who the circled island belongs to? Looks like Britain but it's hard to tell.

[Megas Methuselah]

Jamaica. British since the 1650's, IIRC...

EDIT: Btw, what's the Pronvincie Sconosclute?

[Azlahn]

"Provincie sconosciute" is Italian. Means "unknown/unexplored province".

8 on the North American Map is really a mystery to me, especially considering how it is so far apart from the other provinces. How are you supposed to get to it? Can you march across the mighty province of Sconosciute, but not build anything within it, nor occupy it? Will new provinces appear gradually throughout the game as the areas become available for colonisation? Will you get slow-teleported to it in the same manner as you cross from the Atlantic into the Indian Ocean? I would really like to know.

[Sir Beane]

"Provincie sconosciute" is Italian. Means "unknown/unexplored province".

8 on the North American Map is really a mystery to me, especially considering how it is so far apart from the other provinces. How are you supposed to get to it? Can you march across the mighty province of Sconosciute, but not build anything within it, nor occupy it? Will new provinces appear gradually throughout the game as the areas become available for colonisation? Will you get slow-teleported to it in the same manner as you cross from the Atlantic into the Indian Ocean? I would really like to know.

I think the unknown land is colonisable. On the other maps impassable territory is represented with a light grey colour. The dark grey in America is totally different. I wouldn't worry about it not being poassable or having to use a slow teleport.

[Azlahn]

I'd say your interpretation makes sense. Also, on the complete map the "Provincie sconosciute" in the old world is followed by "sempre che ci siano" in parenthesis, which I think would translate into something like "always being this". It sounds like a really great idea to me, though I wonder how the colonization will take place.

[Sir Beane]

I'd say your interpretation makes sense. Also, on the complete map the "Provincie sconosciute" in the old world is followed by "sempre che ci siano" in parenthesis, which I think would translate into something like "always being this". It sounds like a really great idea to me, though I wonder how the colonization will take place.

So far we have seen it confirmed from screenshots that in normal provinces cities and towns appear after a certain number of turns to simulate population growth. In the America territories it may be that you take them and hold them buy getting troops to them first, then after a while a town pops up. Of course that's a complete guess, we have very little information on this topic.

[Fisherking]

At TW center I found the first screen shot of the Americans had the map of the theater which showed more provinces, some in tribal colors. I don’t have the time or technical skills to blow it up and post it here. If some one else dose, Great!

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=214676#Thamis

Europe

10. The Small German States, including; Baden, Württemberg, Rhineland, Palatine, Saarland, Hesse, Westphalia, Lower Saxony, Bremen, and others. There only seem to be four or five provinces here though, so I will not guess as to the names or capitals.

On a 1700 European Map they are called Small States.

http://www.euratlas.com/history_europe/europe_map_1700.html

America

10. Is the Virgin Islands. Porto Rico is the island just below them. The English, Dutch, French, Spanish and Danish all jostling for control of the region so without more definition on the map to see colors any guess is a good one.


Good Hunting!

[Megas Methuselah]

The good news for modders is: There will no longer be a hard-coded limit on regions.

:wacko: Did you guys already know about this? There's going to be some really good mods, I think!

Btw, I hope they do a good job at representing those unknown lands of North America. This "colonization" idea makes it seem as if there's nobody already living there and that you could just go there without encountering resistance and establish your own settlements.

[Sir Beane]

:wacko: Did you guys already know about this? There's going to be some really good mods, I think!

Personally I'm looking forwards to a Empire version of the BigMap mod. North America, India, North Africa, and Europe in glorious close up with as many regions as we want!

I want a map so huge that I have to play the game at 4 turns per year just to be able to see it all! :beam:

[Megas Methuselah]

My idea exactly! :evilgrin:

[Fondor_Yards]

There are more provinces on the west of the Mississippi, I can't remember if I saw it here or at twc but there was a screen that showed the left edge of the American map, which was the Black Hills and Arizona iirc.

[Megas Methuselah]

:jumping:

[ConnMon]

Btw, #8 on North America map is Lake Winnipeg. It was named so by an explorer in 1690, for the Algonquin Indian name for the area (something like winipek). So I think its the Algonquin Indians group, also called the Wood Cree.

[Discoman]

#7 on American Map could be the Montagnais tribe.

[Megas Methuselah]

@ConnMonn:

Yay, some Cree! My other ancestors! My dream is complete! :jumping:
I'll still prefer to play as the Ojibway, though, because they were quite a regional power at the time. Can't wait to get my hands on them! :evilgrin:

[Sir Beane]

@ConnMonn:

Yay, some Cree! My other ancestors! My dream is complete! :jumping:
I'll still prefer to play as the Ojibway, though, because they were quite a regional power at the time. Can't wait to get my hands on them! :evilgrin:

I hope CA do a decent job of portraying your ancestors. I imagine it will suck for you if they go the route of easy stereotypes and bizarre fantasy units and buildings.

Since I'm English they manage to do a decent job with my ancestors :beam: but I still feel vague disappointment each time they make an error (such as the placement of York in Medieval 2.)

[Megas Methuselah]

What was wrong with York in MiNO? ~:confused:

[General SupaCrunk]

"Provincie sconosciute" is Italian. Means "unknown/unexplored province".

8 on the North American Map is really a mystery to me, especially considering how it is so far apart from the other provinces. How are you supposed to get to it? Can you march across the mighty province of Sconosciute, but not build anything within it, nor occupy it? Will new provinces appear gradually throughout the game as the areas become available for colonisation? Will you get slow-teleported to it in the same manner as you cross from the Atlantic into the Indian Ocean? I would really like to know.

8 is Sioux

[Sir Beane]

What was wrong with York in MiNO? ~:confused:

If you fought a seige battle at York you could see the coast. In reality York is isn't as far East as it was in Medieval 2. It's a minor complaint though, and one true of many other cities I imagine. It's just a little annoying because York is one of my favourite cities. It's an interesting place to visit, it still has city walls of the kind you can build in Medieval 2.

Empire will probably be a lot better with city placement, given that they keep mentioning using satellite data.

[Fisherking]

8 is Sioux


8

I would have a tendency to agree more with ConnMon, that it could be Cree, but if so the next province west holds the Blackfoot Tribes. The Sioux are south of them by a ways. They will be in the Blackhills and then perhaps going east as far as near Lake Superior if they include the whole Nation, and not just a part of it.

[ConnMon]

8

I would have a tendency to agree more with ConnMon, that it could be Cree, but if so the next province west holds the Blackfoot Tribes. The Sioux are south of them by a ways. They will be in the Blackhills and then perhaps going east as far as near Lake Superior if they include the whole Nation, and not just a part of it.

I agree on the Sioux. Why wouldn't they have a nation-plot of their own? Not only were they a large tribe, they controlled a large area (as you stated, the black hills). Also, they still sit on a rather large reservation outside of the badlands. They'll probably end up with a Rebel nation deal or something, and they will control the "Black Hills" region. Also, they might be split up into Lakota, Dakota, etc. I'll have to check that. :book:

[Fisherking]

Here you go. This should tell you most of what you need to know.


Condensed from Wiki:


Sioux comprise three major divisions based on dialect and subculture:

Santee or Eastern Dakota residing in the extreme east of the Dakotas, Minnesota, and northern Iowa,


Yankton or Western Dakota residing in the Minnesota River area, they are considered to be the middle Sioux


Teton or Tetonwan and are often referred to as the Lakota the westernmost Sioux

The seven branches or "sub-tribes" of the Lakota are Sicangu, Oglala, Itazipco, Hunkpapa, Miniconjou, Sihasapa, and Ooinunpa.

Today, the Sioux maintain many separate tribal governments scattered across several reservations, communities, and reserves in the Dakotas, Minnesota, Nebraska, and also in Manitoba and southern Saskatchewan in Canada.


Map http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sioux01.png

[Sir Beane]

Thats pretty useful info Fisherking. I have to admit I know next to nothing about the history of North America, aside from vaguely remembered info taken from watching old Westerns.

It's actually nice to get to play a game set in a location that I know very little about. Seeing the various factions, towns and units should be an interesting experience for someone like me. Plus I have the advantage of not knowing how histroically (in)accurate it will all turn out to be :laugh4:

[Megas Methuselah]

But was that where they were in 1700? That info seems rather modern...

[Fisherking]

But was that where they were in 1700? That info seems rather modern...

You can read the article on the Sioux at wiki. It said they were first contacted in what is now Minnesota, which the Map shows.

The green is original areas they lived and the orange are reservations.

Their oral traditions tell of a great fight with the Chippewa and their being driven out. The Cheyenne tell almost the same story and even though they speak an Algonquin Language they were traditional allies.

(I have another map of America from E:TW but I lack the software to blow it up, If anyone wants it PM me and I will try to e-mail it to you)

[Obadiah]

Is anyone else unable to see the maps in the initial post? All I get is a small icon that reads "Bandwidth exceeded- upgrade to Pro today!". What type of graphic are maps? Not pdf's, I guess?

[Sir Beane]

Is anyone else unable to see the maps in the initial post? All I get is a small icon that reads "Bandwidth exceeded- upgrade to Pro today!". What type of graphic are maps? Not pdf's, I guess?

They were .png files, and unfortunately no one is able to see them. I was using photobucket to host the maps, but it seems I used all my bandwidth hosting screenshots for another thread. Until I can find a solution I'm afraid the maps and screenshots will be unavailable.

The factions lists are pretty accurate though, so at least that part of the post is still useful :)

[Obadiah]

Well - delete the other graphics, get the maps back? :idea2: This is the most interesting thread!!

[Sir Beane]

Well - delete the other graphics, get the maps back? :idea2: This is the most interesting thread!!

We are back in business! The maps are back up and running, this time hosted by Imageshack rather than Photobucket. Glad you like the thread :beam:

[Lokar]

This is probably just a mistake, but in the map labeled "The Whole Thing" there is a small gray colored (same color as North America) territory just west of the Caspian Sea. What is it?

[Fondor_Yards]

It's dam hard to tell, but in the beginning of the 3/5 trailer like 29 seconds in, you can see the city of Tarki. And according to glorious wikipedia, that was controlled by the Shamkhals at the start of the game, who controlled most of modern Daghestan.

[Sir Beane]

This is probably just a mistake, but in the map labeled "The Whole Thing" there is a small gray colored (same color as North America) territory just west of the Caspian Sea. What is it?

It's no mistake. It is definitely a faction, although I don't know which faction specifically. It isn't on the bigger map because the zoomed in map of Europe and India is not finished.

[Fisherking]

In the game map of America from the time of the Revolution that I have, you can see the French have a little spot in South America (French Gahanna ) but nothing in the north. However, there are two provinces colored very similar to the French, which is what I meant in a remark I made about shading, earlier. These could be a couple of tribes. Maybe Cherokee & Choctaw or some similar. There are also several other native factions shown. You can just make out that the British hold the Bahamas and Jamaica. The Spanish have also spread into the southwest.

The British province south of Hudson Bay has turned light green! So it is either native or Hudson Bay Company has formed its own faction. The British hold Florida while the Spanish hold Louisiana
and native factions appear on the bordures.

[Lokar]

It's dam hard to tell, but in the beginning of the 3/5 trailer like 29 seconds in, you can see the city of Tarki. And according to glorious wikipedia, that was controlled by the Shamkhals at the start of the game, who controlled most of modern Daghestan.

Good catch, I think you're right. Here's a snippet from wikipedia:


According to oral tradition, Tarki sits on the site of Samandar, the capital of Khazaria until the early 8th century. In 1396, Tamerlane passed through Tarki on a military campaign. In the late 15th century, Tarki became the capital of the Shamkhals who held sway in Dagestan until the early 18th century, when their territory contracted to a tiny strip of the Caspian shore.

The Shamkhals submitted to Russian authority more than once, first in the early 17th century, then during the Persian Expedition of Peter the Great and Persian Expedition of 1796. As early as 1559, Ivan the Terrible had a Russian fort constructed there. In 1668 the town was sacked by the Cossacks of Stepan Razin.

So they are the Shamkhals, and will be another obstacle to Russian expansion in the south. Must be why CA decided to include them. Anyway they're wedged between the Russians the Persians, which seems like a bad place to be lol. :damnmate:

[Sir Beane]

Nice find! Thanks Fondor_Yards and Lokar. Unfortunately I can't add it in to the OP because the province doesn't actually have a map reference. It's a shame the first map is unfinished.

The Shamkhals do look like they are in trouble, being sandwiched between two much larger nations.

[Sir Beane]

The new multiplayer trailer confirms that Savoy and Florence are in the game! I'm editing the OP to reflect this.

If you wonder how it confirms it watch the high def version and pause it when it scans over Italy and Southern France. Savoy is mentioned by name and you can see Florence's flag (incidentally the St George's Cross.)

[Meneldil]

This map actually makes me excited. After the disapointement that were RTW and MTW2, I trully hope the TW serie will once again reach my quality standards :D

Can't wait to kick the Brits out of the New world, either as France or the US.

Am I wrong or are many European states being represented as single provinces ?

[Sir Beane]

This map actually makes me excited. After the disapointement that were RTW and MTW2, I trully hope the TW serie will once again reach my quality standards :D

Can't wait to kick the Brits out of the New world, either as France or the US.

Am I wrong or are many European states being represented as single provinces ?

You aren't wrong. Provinces are country sized now. France is a single province, as is Spain, Portugal etc.

There will be multiple cities per province however, so the game should feel just as big and busy, if not busier, than before.

[Megas Methuselah]

There will be multiple cities per province however

I hope that really works out well...

[Sir Beane]

I hope that really works out well...

It should do. It looks good from the screenshots. And even with fewer provinces it means we will see an England which contains more than three cities. Countries like France get the worst of it really, it has gone from loads of provinces in Med 2 to one in Empire.

Plus it will be a nice tactical change if we can take entire countries with one big climatic battle, rather than lots of small inconsequwntial battles.

[Fisherking]

It should do. It looks good from the screenshots. And even with fewer provinces it means we will see an England which contains more than three cities. Countries like France get the worst of it really, it has gone from loads of provinces in Med 2 to one in Empire.

Plus it will be a nice tactical change if we can take entire countries with one big climatic battle, rather than lots of small inconsequwntial battles.



It may play out a little lopsided though. The Bahamas are a province, Spain is a province…will Russia also be a province?

[ConnMon]

I don't think you can just take a province with one battle. Maybe if I'm france and somebody takes a city, then the province is disputed territory. It'll be wierd. How will they manage the diplomatic 'Give Region' function? Will they even have it?

[Sir Beane]

Some places are more than one province. Russia for instance seems to be several.

I honestly have no idea how taking a single provoince country like France will work. Maybe in the final game France will be more than one province?

This is a feature of the game that will really be inpossible to understand until we have the game up in front of us and we have played for a while.

Still, not too long to wait atleast. :beam:

[Fisherking]

Still, not too long to wait atleast. :beam:

Oh yes it is! Much too long… an indeterminate amount of time; we have no exact release date.

It hurts so, and is so frustrating! We are all having dreams now, or is it becoming nightmares where we dream that we are playing but there is always something keeping us from succeeding.

It is intolerable, I tell you! Intolerable man. Something must be done!

Where did I put my laudanum???
:sweatdrop:


:wink:

[Sir Beane]

Oh yes it is! Much too long… an indeterminate amount of time; we have no exact release date.

It hurts so, and is so frustrating! We are all having dreams now, or is it becoming nightmares where we dream that we are playing but there is always something keeping us from succeeding.

It is intolerable, I tell you! Intolerable man. Something must be done!

Where did I put my laudanum???
:sweatdrop:


:wink:

CA have definitely done something involving mind control. I think I finally grasp the scope of their plans. They intend to drive their customers into an unholy range by never releasing the game, constantly building up expectations.

Once everyone has become mad with excitement and frustration they use their control to send us all on a massive rampage aimed at dethroning Her Majesty the Queen! All the talk of revolution in the games isn't just there for show!

We cannot let their plan succeed! I hope you brought enough laudanum for everyone. :laugh4:

[Fisherking]

CA have definitely done something involving mind control. I think I finally grasp the scope of their plans. They intend to drive their customers into an unholy range by never releasing the game, constantly building up expectations.

Once everyone has become mad with excitement and frustration they use their control to send us all on a massive rampage aimed at dethroning Her Majesty the Queen! All the talk of revolution in the games isn't just there for show!

We cannot let their plan succeed! I hope you brought enough laudanum for everyone. :laugh4:

Not…uh not just England…

Haave you seen dess…


http://www.dailyfortnight.com/world/43flockbirds.htm

[Sir Beane]

Not…uh not just England…

Haave you seen dess…


http://www.dailyfortnight.com/world/43flockbirds.htm

I'm not really sure what to think about that... who knew CA's reach extended all the way to the states, and to birds no less!

Clearly the hype around Empire has even reached the avian community. The skies are no longer safe! Hitchcock was right!

I advise everyone to stay inside their house, lock the doors and board up the windows. The bloody, feathery revolution is coming, and none of us shall be spared.

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

22. Florence (confirmed)


Are you sure about this?
I'd say that no. 22 is Genoa, while Florence would be no. 24, which is currently listed as Tuscany. The St. George's cross is Genoa's traditional symbol, if I'm not mistaken. (Might be Florence's symbol as well though, but I thought that was some flower or something).

Anyway; Very interesting thread, Sir Beane! Those maps look excellent.

[Sir Beane]

Are you sure about this?
I'd say that no. 22 is Genoa, while Florence would be no. 24, which is currently listed as Tuscany. The St. George's cross is Genoa's traditional symbol, if I'm not mistaken. (Might be Florence's symbol as well though, but I thought that was some flower or something).

Anyway; Very interesting thread, Sir Beane! Those maps look excellent.

The faction in question used a flag similar to Denmark's for land armies, but their ports seemed to feature a St George's cross (in the trailer I mean). So you could be right actually. Traditionally I think the flag was that of the Genoese navy, but I only remembered that recently. While I was writing the update I was under the impression that it was Florence who used that flag, but Wiki says no.

However I can't find any example of the Grand Duchy of Tuscany using either flag shown in the trailer. I was using a map of 1700's Europe to place the factions geographically, and Florence seemed best at the time.

To be honest the Italian states and the German states are small, complicated and confusing :laugh4:

I'll edit my OP to list 22 as Genoa.

[Megas Methuselah]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/picture.php?albumid=53&pictureid=707

I provided this picture. It was me, and me alone. :snobby:








Ok, fine. Fisherking played a small role. But only a small one. :laugh4:

[Sir Beane]

We're all very proud of you Meth :clown:.

Good pic, does it help any of those with knowledge of North America identify any factions? (I have no idea about American factions myself).

[Megas Methuselah]

I dunno. I think it's from the Independence campaign, though. :shrug:

[Fisherking]

Thanks Great Lord M!!!

you got it blown up beyond a thumbnail!



In the game map of America from the time of the Revolution that I have, you can see the French have a little spot in South America (French Gahanna ) but nothing in the north. However, there are two provinces colored very similar to the French, which is what I meant in a remark I made about shading, earlier. These could be a couple of tribes. Maybe Cherokee & Choctaw or some similar. There are also several other native factions shown. You can just make out that the British hold the Bahamas and Jamaica. The Spanish have also spread into the southwest.

The British province south of Hudson Bay has turned light green! So it is either native or Hudson Bay Company has formed its own faction. The British hold Florida while the Spanish hold Louisiana
and native factions appear on the bordures.

ROFLOL!!!:smash:

I have to quote my self!!!:wall:


:furious3:Sometimes you guys don't listen well at all!

On thinking it over the Frenchish spots are most likely Choctaw and Creek.

The Cherokee would be in the Mountains and have a narrower profile.

and the map is 1775!!!

[Dradem]

North America

Nr 7. Innu (not to be mistaken with the innuit) the country itself is Nitassinan

[Sir Beane]

North America

Nr 7. Innu (not to be mistaken with the innuit) the country itself is Nitassinan

Thanks Dradem! :beam: I've added your suggestion into the OP. :2thumbsup:

[Dradem]

Welcome

[Megas Methuselah]

Yes. Yes, I am welcome. :evilgrin:

[Megas Methuselah]

With all due respect to Fisherking, I believe #9 in NA is likely to be the Huron. I remember seeing that province belonging to them in one of those 5 videos. Come what may, the Chippewa are still a possible faction in the game (by God, they have to be in it, given their importance and power at this time).

[Fisherking]

With all due respect to Fisherking, I believe #9 in NA is likely to be the Huron. I remember seeing that province belonging to them in one of those 5 videos. Come what may, the Chippewa are still a possible faction in the game (by God, they have to be in it, given their importance and power at this time).

That is a possibility. I was thinking it went a little far east for them, but than again it is a little far west for the Huron. Just the way the province is drawn I guess…

Also in thinking Historically rather than THIS GAME I knew the Huron were already broken and hiding with anyone that would take them mostly down in the Ohio country.


After the dispersal of the Huron by the Iroquois in 1650, one group relocated to Lorette (just north of Quebec) where it has remained ever since. The remaining Huron (merged with Tionontati, Erie, and Neutrals) spent the next 50 years wandering as refugees through Wisconsin, Minnesota, and upper Michigan. By 1701 they had moved to the Ohio Valley between present-day Detroit and Cleveland where they were known as the Wyandot.

http://www.tolatsga.org/hur.html

If the Huron are in the game then some one was hitting the Gin pretty hard when they thought that one up.:smash:

So it is just reconciling History with Historical Games!

[Megas Methuselah]

Yeah, the Iroquois sort of almost wiped them out in the early days of the French colonies... :juggle2: