I just bought M2TW... [Archive]

A Terribly Harmful Name

01-04-2009, 05:06

In anticipation of EB II, I bought the original M2TW and have Kingdoms coming on the way.

What I can really say, and was probably uttered so many times, is that especially for the fact that I came from EB, it really, really seemed to have an astounding lack of depth and arcade feeling that got me away in the first day.

Anyway don't expect a lot unless you're really into mods or waiting for them. I'll be back to good old EB action now.

Oh and you who didn't get it yet would probably be better doing the same :whip:. Some of the features were interesting, but overall I think even good old RTW vanilla rates higher than it; M2TW, plainly speaking, is one step beyond pacman in terms of complexity. But modders turn out with the best results! We eagerly await.

penguinking

01-04-2009, 06:09

I agree. My reaction to M2TW was pretty much the same. No depth, and those elephant cannons were ridiculous.

fatsweets

01-04-2009, 07:11

I purchased it six months ago and only spent 4 hours playing before I stopped and went back to EB, haven't played since.

Megas Methuselah

01-04-2009, 08:00

I cannot believe such a person as Basileos Ton Ellenon, of all people, would bother with M2TW. Wow. Europa Barbarorum regularly puts other games to the horrid levels of shame and disgrace. It should be no wonder, then, that you are dissapointed with M2TW. However, you were, after all, foolish enough to purchase it in the first place... :clown:

Anyways, approach the situation as Methuselah would, and take a look at the bright side of things: at least you'll be ready to install EB2 when it's done. :crowngrin:

Mjolnir

01-04-2009, 08:12

I would personally recommend the mod The Long Road (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=315) if you want to make M2TW a bit more playable. It adds a bunch of extra provinces, factions, and units, slows the turn length down to a half year per turn, makes your economy much more important, and adds some fun RPing elements as well.

glouch

01-04-2009, 09:32

don't forget the up-and-coming M2TW mod, Dominion of the Sword. i'm hoping it's kind of the EB of the medieval period XD

Space_Ed

01-04-2009, 10:07

Yeah I got it a while back and didnt play it for long. I mainly got it for when EB2 comes out but I wanted to give it a good go. Compared to EB it really did seem quite rubbish although I do love the Total War videos. Thats one of my favourite things they do. So I had a look at the The Long Road mod wiki and it sounds like it could be good but I still doubt it would come close the quality of EB. Does anyone know of any other mods for M2TW or Rome that are as good or come close to the quality of EB? I love the way I really get involved into the period and I think its a great way of living history playing this sort of thing. So yeah anything else for any other period for Rome or M2TW that comes even close?

The_Brittunculi

01-04-2009, 10:27

I got bored of that game very quickly as well. It didn't have much depth, and the lack of realism and historical accuracy was a turn-off. Some things I liked about it though were the variation of the soldier's attire within units, and the animations (especially the posture of the cavalry). I haven't tried Kingdoms yet though.

cultist

01-04-2009, 11:58

Two good mods for M2TW:
Deus lo Vult and Stainless Steel.Try them out,i like antiquity better tho

Space_Ed

01-04-2009, 13:07

Just spent a while looking over Dominion Of The Sword. Looks like it could be pretty amazing. LOADS of historical detail I'd say about equal to EB standards in detail and complexity. Campaign map wasnt as pretty as EBs though so I let them know my feelings lol

Subotan

01-04-2009, 13:11

Same. I'm glad I only borrowed it offa friend for a few days, and didn't buy it. Ofc, that will have to change with EBII...

a completely inoffensive name

01-04-2009, 13:33

Looks like I will have to try out this Dominion of the Sword.

Cute Wolf

01-04-2009, 13:49

Europa Barbarorum regularly puts other games to the horrid levels of shame and disgrace. It should be no wonder, then, that you are dissapointed with M2TW. However, you were, after all, foolish enough to purchase it in the first place...

Agree... and M2TW is full with errors... such as shield bug, 2handed axe anim, and weird oil boilers.... Kingdoms repair most of it, except the 2handed axe is still ineffective... The only good side in M2TW is pikemen.... are sooo strong....:laugh4:

a completely inoffensive name

01-04-2009, 13:58

Zeibek

01-04-2009, 14:55

IMHO the best mod for M2TW is Broken Crescent. By large I find the Middle Age in Europe to be extremely boring, and this mod manages to avoid it by focusing on the Middle East. The amount of information and individualization on each faction doesn't reach EB level, but it's decent enough to lessen the arcadey feel of vanilla.

Plus it's the only mod so far that allows me to indulge in my Turkophilia properly.

Subotan

01-04-2009, 14:57

Because of EB I can't play vanilla RTW or M2TW. Any other game I play, I can't really compare it to EB. Otherwise I would not be able to enjoy Left4Dead, Gears of War 2 and CoD:WaW right now. The problem for me and probably for a lot of EB players is E:TW and whether it will be ruined or not by the wealth of info and playability EB1 has.
Quoted for Truth. I can enjoy Fallout 3, Civilisation 4 (Admittedly either Rhey's and Fall, or Total Realism) or even Kdice, because they're not Total War games. I suppose it's too late now to ask CA not to cock E:TW up, but I hope they don't

antisocialmunky

01-04-2009, 15:10

I have faith that Jack Lusted will try his best to get them to polish it as good as they can. They've even delayed it another month and they are going to release a multiplayer campaign patch after the release.

I don't really hate M2TW post Kingdoms. There's blood and shininess. Stainless Steel makes it extremely fun and challenging. I just hope that the AOR minimod guys get done soon and the Byzantium mod guys figure out how to integrate it into Stainless Steel.

A Terribly Harmful Name

01-04-2009, 19:28

"AOR" minimod? Heck, if this is the stage M2TW modding is then it is really dismal. Do a search for the earliest threads in the EB forums, or any old mod forums, and you'll know they had already grasped the basics of AOR making in the first year or so. But still the Middle Ages are cool on their own right and I'll try the Kingdoms mod, yet nothing will ever surpass EB and other RTW mod which I hold to deep regard.

But considering that the potential of a modding platform over the M2TW engine is very big, or so they say, EBII really has hopes on making it better than before. Add to that the possibility of creating an AI that isn't half-retarded and games will be a lot more involving, hopefully to the degree that has been achieved with Paradox Games. Maybe I hope too much.

antisocialmunky

01-04-2009, 19:31

They have a AOR mod with Stainless Steel, but this is a highly detailed one where you can expand your AOR and stuff.

A Terribly Harmful Name

01-04-2009, 19:32

Ah, thanks for correcting me.

Teleklos Archelaou

01-04-2009, 20:53

Granted that I'm a total freak, but I have been unable to play *any* computer/gamingplatform game since I've started working on and playing EB. Having written a lot of the text and done more than a fair share of the 2D graphics and getting music lined up etc., I am of course incredibly biased, but still I have bought and tried a few other computer games of various genres and find myself unable to enjoy them. My old PS2 never saw me buy another game for it. I have M2TW but only played about a hundred turns or so I reckon. I think I now expect a game to not only fill my playing time with enjoyment but also to be didactic, and that just really doesn't happen anywhere else so I forget about it. I had hopes that Spore would be really interesting in a sort of evolutionary biology way too, but that part just seemed superficially silly with the limited number of ways species could interact with each other.

Aemilius Paulus

01-05-2009, 00:11

Granted that I'm a total freak, but I have been unable to play *any* computer/gamingplatform game since I've started working on and playing EB.

Curse you guys! The same happened to me! :laugh4:

But yes, it is true. Once I began playing EB, all other Total War games seemed like child's toys to me and other RTS games were pointless, lacking the tactical depth of EB. The combat system with the set hitpoints and damage just seemed irrelevant to me. Company of Heroes is the only game that does not strictly adhere to that, and yet that very adherence is compromised for strategic depth, making it neither a good RTS nor a decent RTT game(real-time tactics). And since I do not play anything but RTS games, EB is the only think I dabble in.

For one millionth time, splendid job the EB team did! I would be surprised if CA has not asked or will ask you to aid them in their next project. Supposing they do step back in time for their next TW chapter.

cultist

01-05-2009, 00:16

if you tried COH maybe you would like Theatre of War?(ww2 RTS-more like a war simulator)
Its another game ive bought and i consider it money well spent.

marodeur

01-05-2009, 03:02

I just started playing this rotten game a second time. I have just decided to play one game untill I can finally conquer america (kill 'em all!!!!!! - quoting Terry Pratchett [Insiders only]). Quite a boring thing. Boring, boring, boring! Missing in everything, especially in game balance. You can kill of every ai-nation without any problem, even if you start as HRR (holy roman empire / heiliges römisches reich), which is attacked from all directions at once. Neithner french nor polish, danish or venecian or mailand are able to resist you. I woNder WHAT AM I EXOPEXTED TO DO till turn 160 (about), until someone finds out the world is round? In medieval I there were 3 epoques too start at - and they weren't there whithout good reason! :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown: so much to Medieval II!

Mooks

01-05-2009, 03:10

Iv played every TW game since shogun, and I purchased a MTW2 when it first came out, only to find out it required a dvd drive. Traded the game on some site named goozex and forgot about it.

Then got this sweet new labtop for christmas. I want to know what im missing out on in mtw2. If anyone that has the game would like to send it to me....it would be greatly appreciated. I dont have the money for any game right now. Please send me a pm.

Sorry for the begging. If it helps any, tommorow is my birthday.

Publio Cornelio Escipión Africano Mayor

01-05-2009, 16:49

The thing I hate the most of M2TW is that you can't choose your heir. I know this has been said in some other thread, but How will that be handled in EB2?. I won't accept to have a stupid/ugly/fat bastard beeing Primus Inter Pares, Pater Senatus in my Romani campaign.
I like to have the best of the best ruling my house.

Subotan

01-05-2009, 19:33

I don't think they can do anything about it I'm afraid.

A Terribly Harmful Name

01-05-2009, 19:37

Think well: that's a nice fertile ground for civil strife.

Belisarius12

01-05-2009, 22:32

can somebody plaese inform me where i can find M2TW in europe i seems the original site isn' t working

antisocialmunky

01-05-2009, 23:46

I don't think they can do anything about it I'm afraid.

1) Select unwanted FM.
2) Find some spears.
3) Point and shoot.

Tried and true method for removing vertices from the family directed acyclic graph.:smash:

Publio Cornelio Escipión Africano Mayor

01-06-2009, 00:01

1) Select unwanted FM.
2) Find some spears.
3) Point and shoot.

Tried and true method for removing vertices from the family directed acyclic graph.:smash:

In my campaigns I use my youngsters as cheap cavalry. If I start killing every faction heir until I get the one I want I will have no more instant cavalry support. Not a good idea, not for me.:no:

palmtree

01-06-2009, 03:06

Medieval 2 was a bit of a letdown, lacking in focus mainly, though enjoyable for what it was. The Kingdoms campaigns were a lot more fun though. Putting your artillery to work against the Aztecs, reclaiming the British Isles as the Norwegians, A more focused crusades campaign instead of just ending up in the holy land no matter what christian nation you played... Good times were had.

gamegeek2

01-06-2009, 04:25

The HRE is actually annoying to play as (on VH settings...) because there are so many freaking enemies and everyone hates you. Oh well, I'm still making it...

antisocialmunky

01-06-2009, 05:18

The vanilla AI for MII is so friggin idiotic and irrational that I'd highly recommend downloading one of the excellent AI mods or Lands to Conquer to have reasonable diplomatic options to explore. Playing as the HRE's just ridiculous and boring without it.

Olaf Blackeyes

01-06-2009, 10:29

M2TW Was ok for about 5 days. All it really is though is just some cosmetic features built into the RTW engine. Unit differentiation, blood and gore, more "realistic" voices, and better and more varied agents. Otherwise its a copy of RTW.

If u want good mods for it try Stainless Steel or Broken Cresent.

KINGDOMS on the other hand... now THAT was a good purchase for me. The campains are realistic, Crusades does NOT equal Poland and Sicily in the Holy Lands.

Lithuania is one of the hardest factions ive ever had to play as. The Teutonics get WAY too many heavy armored troops too damn quickly. Never did figure out how to get Kalmar Union though.

Norway too. They have limited cash, limited territories, but are still generally invincible cuz the AI cant get at them on the Outer isles.

The Aztec were fun to play as. Especially fighting off a french invasion of the capital.:laugh4: The other faction were well balanced as well.

palmtree

01-06-2009, 16:29

I particularly love how the Americas campaign in Kingdoms let me do right away what I had been aching to do all through the M2TW campaign. Get a bunch of artillery and gunpowder units together, throw hordes of infantry at me, and let me watch the fireworks. Spectacular and effective.

By the time the age of gunpowder rolled around in the main campaign you rarely had any decent enemies left.

Fixiwee

01-06-2009, 18:18

What bugged me most, was that M2TW had this weird one turn is 2 (or was it 4) years, and the characters not aging in the same pace. This made a rp feeling impossible.

MarcusAureliusAntoninus

01-06-2009, 19:51

What bugged me most, was that M2TW had this weird one turn is 2 (or was it 4) years, and the characters not aging in the same pace. This made a rp feeling impossible.
Indeed. That "bug" tied with the fact you can't choose your faction heir made the roleplaying quality zero and "forced" me to play the game too "arcadey".

russia almighty

01-06-2009, 20:19

Kingdoms bar none, is probably the best TW expansion I've played.

WinsingtonIII

10-27-2009, 05:46

This thread may be dead, but if anyone is still looking for EB-like quality in a medieval period mod for M2TW, I have to recommend Chivalry II: The Sicilian Vespers. Dominion of the Sword does look great, but it has one important problem.... it's not released yet. Broken Crescent is awesome, but if you want to play a more Euro-centric medieval campaign, Chivalry II is the way to go.

There isn't a government system like EB, but there is a regional AOR in that you can only recruit English Longbowmen in England, etc. Of course, not all factions can recruit all units, but all can recruit some regional AOR units in each area, most of which are levies, but you can get access to local nobles (generally in the form of heavy cavalry) by building feudalization buildings (I guess this is the most similar aspect to EB's gov't system).

Additionally, all the units have been redone/reskinned, and many new units have been added, so there's a lot more local flavor in each region. It also helps that, like EB, factions, cities, and many, but not all units go by their native names, which is something that, as an EB player, becomes really necessary for depth I've found. Anyways, there's a lot of other improvements and features, and I think it's a wonderful mod. As an added bonus you can play a campaign in either the Dark Ages (888 AD start date), the Early Middle Ages (1080 AD), the High Middle Ages (1212 AD), the Late Middle Ages (1311 AD), and the Renaissance (1395 AD), with the appropriate factions and starting positions for each era. Each era has a different EDU, so as you play through you will lose access to earlier units and gain access to later ones.

Anyways, here's the link to twcenter download thread for it, and it gives some more information there:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=187756

It's about as close as you can get to EB for the medieval period.

Fluvius Camillus

10-27-2009, 16:36

I didnt really dislike it, I had 4 nice campaigns as France, Hungary, Venice and Milan in that order.

~Fluvius

Arutima

10-27-2009, 21:13

now, after playing that god awful vanilla medieval II, get yourself kingdoms and stainless steel, for hours of fun.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-28-2009, 10:58

now, after playing that god awful vanilla medieval II, get yourself kingdoms and stainless steel, for hours of fun.

I agree. Vanilla M2TW is terrible. Even Vanilla RTW is way better!
However, M2TW with Kingdoms and with mods is > :2thumbsup:
Can't wait 'til EB2 comes out!!!! :egypt:

Cute Wolf

10-28-2009, 11:17

It looks like the KH, SPQR, and Kart-Hadast will use the Teutonic System.... It was better represent "democracy" that way....

Brennus

11-01-2009, 20:08

I have to agree with the feelings about MTW II, it was too quick and just felt shallow. I never bought Kingdoms though. Did anyone else feel that MTW actually felt more atmospheric (and at the risk of sounding silly, felt more "medieval") than MTW II?

mountaingoat

11-01-2009, 21:52

many animations in the game are bugged though some mods fix a few of them . EB II is attempting to add a whole new set ,which should be good.

Parkev

11-02-2009, 05:54

The biggest thing missing in M2Tw was the AOR. I was playing Milan, knocked over Italy (except for Pope-town) and was thinking about conquering something else. But then I thought; whats the point? I won't be able to recruit any new units, just more of these rather poor spearmen and not so poor crossbowmen. So I just assassinated all the bishops and built myself a pope shield.

Can't say too much for the ridiculously steep maps in the alps.:wall:

But the Campaign AI was better, at least I could pretend it was smart.

Rahwana

11-02-2009, 07:33

M2TW as Islamic factions = Getting 75 men Saracen Militia out of 300 men town with 100% Catholics

M2TW as Catholic factions = Spamming Feudal knights all over the wolrd, and then most infantry are crappy spear militia....

Jebivjetar

11-02-2009, 11:58

M2TW works too slow on my computer, but i don't like it anyway. Only bad thing about it: i wont be able to play EB2 because of that :no:

Skullheadhq

11-02-2009, 13:58

What is an M2TW flame thread doing in the EBI forum? Better move this to the EBII one.

IrishHitman

11-02-2009, 14:13

seienchin

11-02-2009, 17:49

Kingdoms bar none, is probably the best TW expansion I've played.
Agree!
First of all: I liked MTWII really. It has a great feeling of colourfull medieval armies beating each other violently. I mean there was blood and units got wounded. All great stuff.
The campain AI wasnt weaker than rome, it just didnt fit in the middle ages. In the Kingdom expansions it was great. Wow was the american campain incredible. And none of them resembled another kingdom campain: Britannia: all the small kingdoms against england, Crusades: Huge armys clash, cool events, Teutonia: A poor piece of land, dark forests, knights vs. Levys and last but not least america with the clash of modern warfare and indians.
Great stuff. :2thumbsup:
And even greater:
MWII Mods are hard to make, but damn they can be made good. A lot of opportunities.:egypt:

amritochates

11-02-2009, 19:28

Just adding my two bucks:

After playing M2TW+Kingdoms EB has been relegated to a secondary status. The simple facts are-

M2TW+Kingdoms+Stainless Steel/Deus Lo Vult(Mods)+assorted bug fixes is a million times superior to any Mod based on any RTW platform(RTW/BI/ALEX)

The reason being Moddable AI, and in this case not only campaign AI but also battle AI. To get a real feel of what really is possible with the M2TW engine check out this thread:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=637

In fact the reason M2TW is so unpopular is because of the multiplicity of Hot fixes from a variety of sources that is necessary to eradicate most bugs. But once that is done comparing it with EB is like comparing a VW beetle to a Delorean.:laugh4:

But all negative comments about vanilla M2TW or M2TW+Kingdoms are more than warranted.

antisocialmunky

11-03-2009, 03:05

Third Age Total War.

Knight of Heaven

11-03-2009, 04:27

Hum i belive manny opinions are a bit unfair. Allthoug i like Europa barbarum very much, and The ancient era likewise. I belive Medieval 2 total war is a great game, and there is some great mods for it, with alot of depth, and dificulty.
As vannila concern, well overall is way better then Rome vannila. No comparisson.
You guys if want very nice mods for M2TW and kingdoms, you have stainless steel, with RR/RC 6.2 compilation wich is amazing work, Broken crescent 2.02, Third age total war, there is alot, and very interisting mods. go to Total war center and have a look.
I agree EB is amazing, but there is other mods out there even for rome, who are very good, and are on the level of EB. Have you guys heard of SPQR? the most dificult mod out there, aswell one of most stable, for RTW. Roma surrectum Is also very good. And EB 2 will rock for sure i certain. I think the most chalange of it all will be changing the Look of the cities and towns. But i have already see the Phalangitai working on the Mtw2 engine, it look amazing, thank you EB2 team. :P

seienchin

11-03-2009, 10:44

I honesly never liked any MTWII Mod...
Third age for example has a no balance at all(a simple ork unit beats rohans royal guard in melee). But the kingdom expanison is great. I hope EBII will at least to an extend use the cultural recruitment system, instead of having to destroy the enemy recruitment spots (Why? Shouldnt I use them?) and build new ones. Having your culture ratings to determin the units you can recruit is imo a nice system.:book:

Skullheadhq

11-03-2009, 12:31

Well, I kinda liked conquering the world with all factions, too easy but fun nonetheless, and RP WWII as the HRE was fun as well.

Macilrille

11-06-2009, 16:53

I just had a look at the SS mod. It does not seem much different from MTW II KDs to me, merely a slightly larger map. Definately not the EB of MTW that I had hoped.

runner3434

11-06-2009, 18:24

A good mod to add depth to M2TW is The Third Age, based on Lord of the Rings it is very good, not historical of course, but still very good.

Macilrille

11-06-2009, 19:01

That is very unlikely to happen, another great passion and expertise of mine is Tolkien, so something both ahistorical and likely not accurate to Tolkien as well is more likely to upset me than please me ;-)

Knight of Heaven

11-06-2009, 20:10

I just had a look at the SS mod. It does not seem much different from MTW II KDs to me, merely a slightly larger map. Definately not the EB of MTW that I had hoped.

Have you play the sub mods? 6.2 pacth, aswell RC/RR compilation its what i recomend. allthoug is still a work in process it is already a great thing very historical with manny historic events aswell. Deus lu vult is great also.
Realy i like EB very much, and i belive the moders did a great thing. But i dont see what is the fuss all about. i never was able to finish a campaing in EB becouse of the constant ctds, after battles is a game killer as i far im concerned. A battle who last 20 30 mim and then..bang have to do it again, its crazy. Allthoug i repeat i like EB very much is amazing but has his faults. As for one i find MEdiaval 2 and his mods way more stable then Rome mods. Overall.
what is with people and putting EB on a godly paramater above the others?! that can only be explained, by people who didnt try other mods sometimes. i think.

That is very unlikely to happen, another great passion and expertise of mine is Tolkien, so something both ahistorical and likely not accurate to Tolkien as well is more likely to upset me than please me ;-)

You will be suprised. i think Third age Total war is the mod with more depth, and enviroment out there. It takes much from tolkien books, and some , but few from the movies.
God you even have ents and trolls, in there. only that is amazing. wich are very hard to kill. :beam:

runner3434

11-06-2009, 21:15

Third Age total war is actually very faithful to Tolkein, you will see hole discussion over the law on there forums, over one small point, If you try it I think you will be pleasantly supprised.

Olaf The Great

11-06-2009, 23:38

SS is very good unless you play Ireland Norway Egypt or Turkey, their units haven't changed at all from vanilla, yet extensive work has been done on everyone else(even more so if you use the RR/RC mod pack).

WinsingtonIII

11-07-2009, 01:11

I just had a look at the SS mod. It does not seem much different from MTW II KDs to me, merely a slightly larger map. Definately not the EB of MTW that I had hoped.

I don't know if you noticed this Macilrille, but I posted earlier in this thread about Chivalry II: The Sicilian Vespers. Personally, that's the closest you're going to get to an EB-like mod for M2TW. There is an AOR, all of the factions and cities are in their native tongue (some Catholic factions are in Latin, but that was the predominant written language of Catholic Europe), many units have been redone, reskinned, and renamed, plus there are new units that weren't in vanilla. All in all, it's a mod that strives for historical accuracy, just like EB. I personally feel like Stainless Steel is more focused on gameplay, with history often coming second, although it is a good mod. Chivalry II really tries to put the history first, but the gameplay is still improved from vanilla as well in my opinion. I also think it does a better job with the history than Deus Lo Vult, which used to be my favorite M2TW mod until I discovered Chivalry.

If anyone wants to see more about it, I'm thinking about writing an AAR about my current Poland campaign once it heats up a little more, but I might not get going on it until a couple weeks from now.

seienchin

11-07-2009, 02:12

Third Age total war is actually very faithful to Tolkein, you will see hole discussion over the law on there forums, over one small point, If you try it I think you will be pleasantly supprised.
Wait... One orc units beats the dismounted kings guard of rohan... :dizzy2::dizzy2:
Im not sure if this is faithfull...

king of thracia

11-07-2009, 03:21

EB is a mod above the others. It is the only mod I play having tried many other mods and the only thing that makes the Total War series worthwhile for me. Didn't much like SS

Macilrille

11-07-2009, 08:16

First, I am a Tolkien Fundamentalist, I hate :whip::skull::wall::wall::wall: the films and PJ. As I told Seienchin in private I want to face PJ in a swordfight with sharp swords so I can cut his fat gut open and watch him try to keep his innards in while slowly dying. Call me the Bin Laden, Mullah Omar or Ayatollah of Tolkien I care not.

I am very- very much a purist there. I can stretch myself to accept most of ICE's old MERP stuff, but no more than that.

Thus, I suspect TATW is not for me.

Second, my main historical field of research is Danish Viking- Middle Age, I wrote my Ma Thesis on that and am still one of the leading experts in the field, and unless something can fulfill my expectations in that field as EB does for RTW, I am likely to be dissatisfied...

So, I ask you; is there any mod for MTWII Kingdoms that can live up to what EB is for RTW? Especially one focusing on N. Europe and Scandinavia?

Cute Wolf

11-07-2009, 09:25

Wait... One orc units beats the dismounted kings guard of rohan... :dizzy2::dizzy2:
Im not sure if this is faithfull...

They beat in frontal combat, using their sheer numbers... I also play TATW, but with human factions, you should try to use your brain, while the orcs only need to charge forward....:egypt:

Skullheadhq

11-07-2009, 09:44

So, I ask you; is there any mod for MTWII Kingdoms that can live up to what EB is for RTW? Especially one focusing on N. Europe and Scandinavia?

Europa Barbarorum II? :laugh4:

Macilrille

11-07-2009, 11:01

If only, but I anticipate no EB II the next two- three years.

Skullheadhq

11-07-2009, 11:22

If only, but I anticipate no EB II the next two- three years.

I hope, sir, that you're wrong.

seienchin

11-07-2009, 11:42

They beat in frontal combat, using their sheer numbers... I also play TATW, but with human factions, you should try to use your brain, while the orcs only need to charge forward....:egypt:
Yeah and there the people dont get the tolkien message. Everything is a question of blood. Nobel humans or elves are way more powerfull than simple orks. Way more. In the first age wars single elbs killed balrogs. Even with their power vanishing elves are still way better than orcs and so are human.
Sorry for offtopic :book:

Subotan

11-07-2009, 14:16

First, I am a Tolkien Fundamentalist, I hate :whip::skull::wall::wall::wall: the films and PJ. As I told Seienchin in private I want to face PJ in a swordfight with sharp swords so I can cut his fat gut open and watch him try to keep his innards in while slowly dying. Call me the Bin Laden, Mullah Omar or Ayatollah of Tolkien I care not.

Surely the fact that PJ has brought Tolkein to a wider audience is something that should be appreciated, regardless of whether he includes Tom Bombadil or not, or doesn't spend the first half of the Fellowship on a bloody mushroom farm. He still includes the core message of Tolkein, and when you think about, it could have been a lot, lot worse.

Also, is there a First Age Total War? Belegost FTW

antisocialmunky

11-07-2009, 14:53

They beat in frontal combat, using their sheer numbers... I also play TATW, but with human factions, you should try to use your brain, while the orcs only need to charge forward....:egypt:

You should play real combat though some of the changes are really borked since the orcs are given terrible armor and weapon values and die by the hrodes to even Gondorians. Also the Dwarves and Elves become ridiculous. I remember taking out 3000 Urukai with cave troll support with about 400 High Elves.

So yeah, 6-1 is good odds for any Elf or Dwarf.

WinsingtonIII

11-07-2009, 18:27

So, I ask you; is there any mod for MTWII Kingdoms that can live up to what EB is for RTW? Especially one focusing on N. Europe and Scandinavia?

Macilrille, I don't know if you didn't notice my earlier post, but I really do think Chivalry II: The Sicilian Vespers is the closest thing that you can get. Just check it out at http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=354. Of course, I'm assuming here that you want an EB for the medieval era. If you're looking for the classical era I can't help you. Chiv II isn't quite the level of EB, but I suggest you give it a shot. If you want more focus on Northern Europe and Scandinavia, you may want to do the Dark Ages Era campaign instead of one of the others. However, this campaign is still in beta so it's not perfected yet.

Atraphoenix

11-07-2009, 19:54

I just play broken crescent and Long Road on it.

Macilrille

11-07-2009, 21:15

Thanks Winsington, I am going to give it a try. DL as I write.

Knight of Heaven

11-07-2009, 21:28

Macilrille, I don't know if you didn't notice my earlier post, but I really do think Chivalry II: The Sicilian Vespers is the closest thing that you can get. Just check it out at http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=354. Of course, I'm assuming here that you want an EB for the medieval era. If you're looking for the classical era I can't help you. Chiv II isn't quite the level of EB, but I suggest you give it a shot. If you want more focus on Northern Europe and Scandinavia, you may want to do the Dark Ages Era campaign instead of one of the others. However, this campaign is still in beta so it's not perfected yet.

Chivalry 2 is a work in the process. i belive its very good on the historical part , a nice aor system, and great building construction. the system is well put it. but it need some tweaks thats all. it has one or 2 historical error that i was able to identify. for example on late campaing Portugal werent named regium Navarre. its a major error. but in all its a great efort who a project who had a great future if the work continues on.

Broken crescent 2.02 it meets the requirements of a EB in M2tw engine. but its about midle east.

I agree the Lord of the Rings movies in manny ways arent the same as the books, but regards that they are one of the best movies ever made in cinema. It is uninportant to be faithfull to Tolkien books. Its the maker vision, based of the books. You just have to put things on the context.
It couldnt be the same, it just couldnt.

And if you want real historical acurracy in a video game try europa universalis. you will certainly have that. vikings and everything. :yes:

WinsingtonIII

11-08-2009, 18:59

Chivalry 2 is a work in the process. i belive its very good on the historical part , a nice aor system, and great building construction. the system is well put it. but it need some tweaks thats all. it has one or 2 historical error that i was able to identify. for example on late campaing Portugal werent named regium Navarre. its a major error. but in all its a great efort who a project who had a great future if the work continues on.

Oh I agree certainly. It definitely is not done, but it is a huge step in the right direction, and I believe it takes that step further than any of the other medieval mods. I think the reason that there are still errors, even in the non-beta campaigns is because there is only one modder working on the project at this point, so he has to fix everything, and it takes awhile for new versions to come out because of that.

Thanks Winsington, I am going to give it a try. DL as I write.

No problem! I hope you enjoy it. Just keep in mind what Knight of Heaven said about how it's not perfected and don't set the bar too high.

Macilrille

11-08-2009, 20:36

WinsingtonIII

11-09-2009, 02:17

Chivalry...

I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed.

+Buildings are different and nicer.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens :-)

-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla too (come on, NO Norse was named some escimo name!). It would take so little research, or merely a mail to me, and they would have hundreds of Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.

It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me...

Yeah some parts of the mod do not change enough or haven't had a chance to change enough. Remember that the Dark Age campaign is version 0.01 beta (like literally the first beta of it to be released ever). It's therefore not the best campaign to judge the entire mod by, as it is even more of a work in progress than the early, high, or late campaigns. Also, I think Northern and Western Europe was the area that received the least amount of attention in terms of new units, which is really unfortunate in my opinion. The Byzantines, Rus, Hungarians, Sicilians, the various Balkan factions, and the Islamic factions seem to have received the most new units as far as I can tell. The Byzantines have a pretty much entirely new roster actually if I remember correctly.

Look, I'll be the first to admit, it's no EB, and trust me, the incorrect faction descriptions annoy me as well, but you have to remember that this is the ongoing work of one person. If there was a true EB for the medieval era, I would certainly be playing it over Chivalry, but there isn't. Chivalry takes it a step in the right direction, and if you play Stainless Steel or Deus Lo Vult, you'll see it takes that step much further than they do, because those mods both keep much more of the original vanilla material than Chivalry does.

EB has spoiled all of us I think, Chivalry was the best I could personally find after playing 5 other medieval era mods. Now all that's left to do is wait for Dominion of the Sword to come out (if it ever does). That looks like it could actually be what we're both looking for.

I'm sorry it didn't meet your expectations, and if I use EB as a model, it doesn't meet mine either, but I want to play a medieval era mod, and this is the one that feels best to me. If you want to try a faction that has been almost completely overhauled from vanilla, I would suggest Sicily in the Early (They're called Ducato de Apulia or something like that in the early camp) or High campaigns. They have a lot of interesting units.

I'm also sure that the mod developer would love to hear from you if you have information on Norse names, he seems to take constructive criticism to heart and do something about it.

IrishHitman

11-09-2009, 06:32

Compared with EB, MII is rather crap.

However, MII is far from unplayable in my opinion.
Sure, I hardly play it when EB is available, but if I want a change in time period or if I just want to kick the English in, MII is the only real option.

Knight of Heaven

11-09-2009, 09:01

Suffice it to say I do not believe it was necessary to change anything in the films to meet the lowest common denominator. It may not even be so low as PJ and others believe. However, that is neither here nor there, so I shall now be quiet on the subject of Tolkien.

EU I know, I only have EUII I love the historical accuracy, but dislike the fact that the AI cheats and you cannot triumph as a player (without cheating, which does not feel the same)- or perhaps it is but I who have not sussed the system.

Chivalry...

I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed.

+Buildings are different and nicer.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens :-)

-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla too (come on, NO Norse was named some escimo name!). It would take so little research, or merely a mail to me, and they would have hundreds of Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.

It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me...

The dark age campaing is not finished is a beta. compared to the others, and the mod is not finished yet, it needs some work. Remenber is only one guy doing this, if you dont like the names, then why wont you sugest of the sugestion threads?! Either way the guy says it so, the mod nees some tweekings.
Allthough i think it has a great potencial, the conceipt, and the ideia is very good. If the work continues on. Has for me im having much fun playing Jerusalem on high campaing, it uses some vaniila units and some new ones,but on the contrary to much mods im realy having fun, for a prolonged way, and best of all no ctds. a thing that bugs me the most on EB. Is the mod more unstable i played. but still i love EB, one must have pacience while playing it though.

Regards Lord of the rings, well what you say is probabiliy true, still, if you take the books out of the equation, you got a great piece of cinema ever made. For one one who doesnt like the "Movies", but like cinema in is true nature, Lord of the rings triology is still a work of art. And is briliant.

Macilrille

11-09-2009, 09:50

TKH and Winsington, you mean something like this:

As a historian and Viking Re-enactor I found that only EB in all the RTW series fulfilled my expectations and was looking for something similar for the medieval times, lauding the fact that there was none...

Another EB fan recommended this, so I have DL-ed it. I have a few comments and noticed a bug.

I tried the Dark Age campaign as Denmark and I am... unimpressed at first 4 hours of play.

Plus
+Buildings are different and seem improved.
+Bayex Tapestry on the battle screens
+Several differently timed campaigns Viking Age Campaign

Minuses
-Units are not that different from Vanilla that it feels different (EB spoiled me there, I miss more accurate units for Denmark 888 and I miss a more authentic look).
-The Names of Danes are still something out of a mixture of High Middle Age, Icelandic Sagas and Greenland and that was one of the things that put me off the most on Vanilla the few historical names mixed in only makes it worse... instead of complaining about this, I offer my service; mail me, and I shall see what I can do with Viking and Medieval Names.
-Non re-written faction descriptions and names when you pass cursor over unit.

It will require more tries to pass a final judgement whether I like it or not. I guess EB has spoiled me. But, the mod has promise and I realise that I played a campaign still in Beta Stage. I will play it some more and see what I think. EB has spoiled me, but also shown what a gargantuan work a mod is, so...

Cool job guys, it has much promise and if you need help on Danish Names and/or Danish Viking-Medieval history, military, etc, I hereby offer my assistance as a certified specialist in that.

? Posted that yesterday, tagging right after a post by TKH, BTW... I have the knowledge and of course I offer it.

HunGeneral

11-09-2009, 10:21

Well I'm going to buy MedII in a few days and plan to play the vanilla version for a while to see how well it gos on my comp. I also plan to try the "Magyar mod" and Broken crescent - these two have found my interrest - wether I might play anything else after it I don't know yet.

Although I suspect EB has spoiled me aswell since after having experienced EB I felt BI to be somewhat without depth although I enjoyed it much better earlier on...

WinsingtonIII

11-09-2009, 15:57

? Posted that yesterday, tagging right after a post by TKH, BTW... I have the knowledge and of course I offer it.

That's weird, did you edit the post? Because the post you quoted was different but still similar to the one you posted, I don't know how I didn't see it earlier.

I was never implying that you wouldn't offer the knowledge, I was merely noting that this particular mod developer seems especially open to constructive criticism and encouraging you to do so.

The only thing that I would specifically suggest that you didn't mention in your post is that when you do try out the mod more, using a non-Northern European faction may give you more change from vanilla, and that Sicily in particular has quite a few unique and new units.

It was just some friendly advice, not a criticism of your post.

Macilrille

11-09-2009, 16:58

I know, no worries. I just found another bug.

The post was a cut and paste...

WinsingtonIII

11-09-2009, 18:01

I know, no worries. I just found another bug.

The post was a cut and paste...

Oh I'm sorry Macilrille, I didn't realize that was the post you posted at the twcenter forum for Chivalry II. For some reason I thought it was the earlier post from here, except edited. I'm an idiot.

Just to make sure, you did restart the game before trying out each of the other campaigns other than the Dark Age, and each time you did you put in the proper letter (D, E, H, L, R) in the launch screen? If you didn't, that could explain the weird alliances/at war statuses, and why Denmark still appears to have Pagan temples in the later eras, because in my current Poland campaign (High Era), they are certainly Catholic, the Pope keeps on nicely reminding me of that when I fight them.... :laugh4:

Macilrille

11-09-2009, 18:41

WinsingtonIII

11-09-2009, 19:10

Yeps I did restart. Not that I mind Denmark being Pagan, I quite like it (being a Viking Re-enactor and all that), but still. The medieval historian inside me protests like mad. I could try and builld a Pagan tample and see if that makes me Christian...

You understand Luhman, you are no idiot ;-)

Hmm that is strange. Yeah it might just be a bug, who knows. I have yet to play as Denmark in this mod, so I didn't know about this, maybe I'll check later today and see if I have the same problem.

And thanks for your confidence haha

Lysimachos

11-10-2009, 17:45

I have the opinion that the M2TW-engine is clearly superior to RTW, if only for moddable AI. There is however no mod for it (yet) that can compare to EB in depth and historical detail, but there are mods which are different, but not necessarily worse. One that I really like is Broken Crescent. It turns away from the euro-centric main campaign concept (which most major mods use and which I find a bit boring: despite all those things that SS, DLV and the like change it still feels kind of vanilla to me) and has great graphics and music which make for an enthralling atmosphere. It does sacrifice a bit of historical accuracy for gameplay though, so be warned ~;)
I haven't tried TA yet, so I can't say anything about that.

Edit: Did I mention that I expect to see the best mod of all times to be released for M2TW some day? I think it's called Europa Barbarorum II or something ~:)