Official Total War survey [Archive]

Polemists

01-18-2009, 06:46

The list for those curious is

Rome:
Covering the three Punic Wars (264-146BC) including Hannibal's passage over the Alps, followed by the fall of the Roman Republic and the rise of the Romane Empire. Rome rules the Mediterranean with its huge armies which are reliant on the navy for support.

The First World War:
From the Western Front to the Middle East, the First World War rages. Trench warfare creates a stalemate, broken by bloody battle on land, such as Somme, and naval engagements such as Jutland. The introduction of tanks, gas, and planes to the battlefield changes war forever.

Classical Greece:
The timeline streches from Greco-Persian Wars of 5th Century BC, through Sparta's dominance and the creation and division of Alexander's Empire. Use the brute force of the hoplite, or ingenious inventions such as Archimedes Claw.

Imperial China and Feudal Japan:
From the brith of the Shogunate in Japan following the Gempei War, through the Mongol invasion and repulsion, to the rise of the Ming Dynasty in China. This is the age of Samurai in Japan and an era of resurgence in China which saw the building of the forbidden city and the creation of chinese navy.

19th Century
Following the death of Napoleon there is no end to conflict. The mexican-american war, the Crimean War, the American Civil War, and the Boer War all contribute to rapid changes in technology. It is the end of the Age of the Sial, and the be beginning of the age of steam.

This is all taken from the survey, though I may have some grammatical errors as I was trying to copy it from notepad. It's not listed by preference merely listed as on the Sega survey.

hoom

01-18-2009, 08:27

I'd like some sort of official confirmation of the legitimacy of this before I go giving them the details requested.

I'm pretty much inclined toward either China or Classic Greece.

Napoleonic should be either expansion of Empire or after whatever is next.

Its vital that the TW series doesn't get stuck in a loop doing just the same few periods: Rome, Medival, Age of Sail & Japan.

Polemists

01-18-2009, 09:14

legitmacy it's CA's webpage?

I mean unless someone has hijacked CA's webpage it is the standard, how much gaming do you do, what games do you want to see from us survey.

I personally don't mind a loop as I throughly enjoyed middle ages, rome times, and shogun period. So if they just keep redoing them better, with new graphics, and more features.

That said, I'd also play classical greece or the others.

Only world war 1 holds no appeal.

Though I did notice each mention holds a reference to Navy, clearly CA wants to get most they can out of this new naval engine.

lenin96

01-18-2009, 11:59

I hope for classical Greece, but I would rather something further back, like 1500BC-1200BC.

Fisherking

01-18-2009, 12:07

Yes, I took it. Its four pages and gets into all sorts of preferences.

If there is another title you like you can do a write in. Over all a good mix of choices.

And Hay! They are actualy asking the fans what the like best.

Sir Beane

01-18-2009, 12:23

I hope Asia wins! We need a game that features mainland Asia, since it has never been present in a Total War game before.

Classical Greece would be just another Total War set in Europe, as would Rome (in fact both would be very similar to RTW). And the 19th century would be very similar to Empire. Personally I think that the First World War would be a disaster and I would definitely be unsure about buying the game if they went there (and so would many others if my poll is accurate).

Asia is the only game that would truly be different to previous titles. And not set in tired old Europe.

Polemists

01-18-2009, 12:25

Actually every one of those listed were a poll or mentioned heavily here at some point.

Like all things TW, they are following the .org trend.

LONG LIVE THE GUILD :laugh4:

Sir Beane

01-18-2009, 12:31

Actually every one of those listed were a poll or mentioned heavily here at some point.

Like all things TW, they are following the .org trend.

LONG LIVE THE GUILD :laugh4:

Ahhhhh the .Org. Where all the cool kids hang out settin' trends and showin' the other fans how it's done. ~:cool:~:cheers::thrasher:

It isn't suprising they follow things here. We have the best mods, the best and most informed discussion, and the best ideas! Who wouldn't want to be like us? :laugh4:

hoom

01-18-2009, 13:05

legitmacy it's CA's webpage?
www.totalwarsurvey.com is not the same as www.totalwar.com.

totalwar.com is registered by CA.

totalwarsurvey.com is registered by Tangent Labs Ltd.

sega.co.uk & creative-assembly.co.uk
are registered by Sega Europe Ltd.

Sir Beane

01-18-2009, 13:12

www.totalwarsurvey.com is not the same as www.totalwar.com.

totalwar.com is registered by CA.

totalwarsurvey.com is registered by Tangent Labs Ltd.

sega.co.uk & creative-assembly.co.uk
are registered by Sega Europe Ltd.

The site does use the Offical logo of both Sega and CA and Total War . So if it isn't official it will be shut down very quickly.

Polemists

01-18-2009, 16:03

Quite true, if it isn't the official thing, then they in deep trouble. However I'm sure if you did enough circles you could find the link.

gollum

01-18-2009, 16:14

They should do a Uk Supermarket;Total war. Back to basics approach with few but archetypical factions.

Perfect setting for the TW concept in a period of steep technological advances, fierce and ruthless competition between the warring factions on a number of levels; financial, real estate, publicity, and legal competition.

Tesco; massive and ruthless
Sainsburry; high tech and master of diplomacy
Morrison; with an edge in naval aspects
Asda; dirt cheap quality that guarantees popular support

!it burnsus!

AussieGiant

01-18-2009, 22:16

After 8 odd years...I think it's time to revisit the Oriental theme.

Can you imagine what that would be like after 8 years of development? :beam:

Noncommunist

01-18-2009, 22:57

I'm not sure if it should be a concern but at the end of the survey, it asked how I thought of other games. Given that I like Total War for it's uniqueness, (except for Imperial Glory), I hope they don't shift the game too far into the directions of other games.

Rhyfelwyr

01-19-2009, 00:13

I voted for the China/Japan campaign, it seems like it would have the most varied and unique factions. On the other hand, I put down Classical Greece as the worst, seems to focused to base a whole game upon.

Thermal

01-19-2009, 00:23

i voted chinese and japan (shogun 2 type thing etc.) as first, with world war 1 as a distant second, AI and extra multiplayer features were the improves i wanted.

lenin96

01-19-2009, 02:50

They could have meant the era, like classical Greece could go all the way to China, they could have just meant the names to describee what was happening in that time, hopefully.

Scurvy

01-19-2009, 03:02

hopefully South Asia/ China or Classical Greece, and hopefully not any repeats of Shogun or Rome as it is nice to change them around, wouldnt want anything after ETW in terms of time, as there are many very good games already covering that period of history.

:2thumbsup:

Incongruous

01-19-2009, 04:03

I was pleased to see a WWI setting up there, in my opinion the only way to please vets who have been playing since Shogun is to offer solid gameplay, a capable AI and an original and exiting idea.

The only one which offers all of those is the WWI setting, CA have already decided that swords and spears are not always the answer, and depending how it goes with Empire I wouldn't be surprise if they give The Great War next. For vets, it would give them a seriuosly mean challenge, both in terms of strategy (the armies involved would be massive) and tactics. It would be hell trying to configure a new set of tactics for the TW player, timing and decent planning would become an integral part of the game. Meaning it would have to be slower paced and far more thoughtful. On the non-combat side, it is at this moment in history that Communism finally showed itslf to be a powerful force, there might also be a place for a fascist government type later on. It would be interesting.

I wonder how air combat and trench digging would be adressed?

Polemists

01-19-2009, 06:14

the only way to please vets who have been playing since Shogun is to offer solid gameplay, a capable AI and an original and exiting idea.

Bold statement. Some vets I'm sure feel this way but we all certainly don't. Heck, a few vets have stated on these forums that they won't even play Empire because it dosn't have spears and swords.

Now to be certain there are many schools of thought on this, heck since CA seems so gun ho on putting the option up I'm even willing to say it's one way, but surely not the ONLY way.

Each time setting I think offers it's own unique advantage. Some people may not want to see Rome 2 or Shogun 2, but some of us do.

I'm not sure how the poll will break out exactly, but given fact on these forums there is at very least a large chunk of vets who have no interest in more gunpowder age weaponry. I'm not so sure.

Once you can carpet bomb cities, I'm just not sure a game hold anymore tactical value other then on the world map.

As a invidual army as in Company of heroes, sure, but as a Nation? Not so sure.

I think you discredit classical greece, there is alot of difference in that time frame.

Incongruous

01-19-2009, 06:32

Bold statement. Some vets I'm sure feel this way but we all certainly don't. Heck, a few vets have stated on these forums that they won't even play Empire because it dosn't have spears and swords.

Now to be certain there are many schools of thought on this, heck since CA seems so gun ho on putting the option up I'm even willing to say it's one way, but surely not the ONLY way.

Each time setting I think offers it's own unique advantage. Some people may not want to see Rome 2 or Shogun 2, but some of us do.

I'm not sure how the poll will break out exactly, but given fact on these forums there is at very least a large chunk of vets who have no interest in more gunpowder age weaponry. I'm not so sure.

Once you can carpet bomb cities, I'm just not sure a game hold anymore tactical value other then on the world map.

As a invidual army as in Company of heroes, sure, but as a Nation? Not so sure.

I think you discredit classical greece, there is alot of difference in that time frame.

To be sure many vets don't want a guns and tanks episode, but niether do I think many of us who have played since STW ask for a Samurai and Ninja based real-time/turnbased strategy game. But it was the newness of the game which kept me going, that intitial WOW factor that made it the single best game I have ever played. Plus it worked.

I reckon that only The Great War, out of all the options, could help reacreate at least some of that WOW factor of Shogun, and that is probably because it is not the one I would initially want, I want what is percievable and comfortable to me, this would not help bring about something new and fresh.

The reason for TW is not to reacreate a decent medieval/ancient simulator, it is imo to create an original, thoughtfull and solid game. STW did this, MTW lost it a bit with the setting, RTW imo was like a different gaming series as was M2TW. ETW looks like it could reset to that ancient STW ideal, a WWI setting would also be able to this, more than any of the others. There are no decent and mainstream games out there which cover the subject which is also why I think CA should and will go for it, they will be ahead of the curve and their game will stand out.

Polemists

01-19-2009, 11:20

Partially new but partially not.

You forget that part of the newness of Shogun and Rome versus Middle Ages was partly the map.

In empire in a way we are losing part of the map but in a way gaining more.

As the map moves to be more globe and less theatre based it is harder to have a "New" region.

Yet, World War 1 by and large, though I am not a historian on the matter, occurs in Europe, you would in essence be looking at the same Germany, England, France maps you looked at in MTW2 except the names would be slightly different.

Plus WW 1 lasts a total of 4 years. Even if you did turns by month, your talking a maximum of 48 turns.

Maybe i'm just not viewing it right but I think regardless of where they put it, after Empire, it's all rehash.

Sir Moody

01-19-2009, 12:36

If they did ww1 the turns would be probably be 1 or 2 weeks and there was fighting on the Russian front (until the revoloution) and in the middle east.

WW1 isnt a good choice tho because it was dominated by Artillary and the fact it wasnt very mobile which would lead to fighting the same battle every turn time and time again

if they wanted a modern war WW2 would be better as it was more global and more mobile - problem is its been done by everyone and his dog now

Asia is a far better choice...

PBI

01-19-2009, 13:16

Imperial China and Feudal Japan:
From the brith of the Shogunate in Japan following the Gempei War, through the Mongol invasion and repulsion, to the rise of the Ming Dynasty in China. This is the age of Samurai in Japan and an era of resurgence in China which saw the building of the forbidden city and the creation of chinese navy.

I can categorically state without shadow of a doubt nor any hint of exaggeration that this would be the best game ever made.

So long as it would definitely be based around the broader Sinosphere and not just Japan. Not that there would be anything wrong with a Japanese setting per se, it's just I feel that China has such a complex and interesting a history and is of such importance to world history that the fact it has not yet been portrayed seems something of an anomaly. It would be a major missed opportunity to omit it again in what would probably be the last Asian-based game for a while.

Glad to see WWI is at least on the list, and double points for being there without being lumped in with WWII.

There are no decent and mainstream games out there which cover the subject which is also why I think CA should and will go for it, they will be ahead of the curve and their game will stand out.

I strongly agree with this sentiment and will keep repeating it until I am blue in the face. WWI has scarcely been touched on in computer games; any categorical statements that a WWI Total War would be an utter disaster/ would be the best thing ever are based purely on speculation, not to mention a good deal of assumptions about what form such a game would take. Is it not worth at least having a go to see if there is potential for a game in there?

Personally I think that the First World War would be a disaster and I would definitely be unsure about buying the game if they went their (and so would many others if my poll is accurate).

Bear in mind I was one of those who voted "Definately not" in that poll, yet I was one of the most ardent advocates in that thread of a WWI setting in principle, at some point. I certainly wouldn't be put off by a WWI setting, I just feel the technology isn't there yet to do it justice. For the record, the interpretation I would most like would be a game more broadly based in the period of the late 19th century to around 1920, as suggested in the other thread, rather than a focus on a single conflict.

Once you can carpet bomb cities, I'm just not sure a game hold anymore tactical value other then on the world map.

You are conflating WWI and WWII; WWI did not see large-scale strategic bombing, other than a few Zeppelin raids which were basically just for propaganda value.

Fisherking

01-19-2009, 13:21

Not sticking up for WWI as a game, but it was pretty global though it my have not been huge in terms of the far flung conflicts.

The Japanese were at war with Germany and snatched Pacific Colonies. There was fighting in the African Colonies also.

List of former German colonies and protectorates

Colonies: Africa; Wituland · German East Africa (Tanganyika · Rwanda · Burundi) · Togoland · German South-West Africa (Namibia) · German West Africa (Kamerun · Neukamerun)

Pacific; German New Guinea (German Solomon Islands · German Marshall Islands · Caroline Islands · Mariana Islands · Nauru · Palau) · German Samoa

Concessions: China ; German Kiautschou · Tientsin · Tsingtao

The Central Powers consisted of the German Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Kingdom of Bulgaria. Italy was originally a part of the Triple Alliance but had designs on Austrian territory and switched sides.

This is a decent map of the who‘s who and where.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/WWI-re.png

Praxil

01-19-2009, 13:21

For me games are definitely artistic in many ways, because you have to be creative to make them. Games are interactive entertainment. Games are not cars or tools or something like that. They should never be developed or sold like that. Never ever should developers listen to what so called "fans" are thinking. However they should definitely hear them out for new ideas, but should never directly try to satisfy these screaming micro hordes.

What I mean is that developers should always develop games within the goals they have set. Developers should always develop games for themselves and if that appeals a lot of people, then that is good business also. Unless you're trying to appeal masses, of course you can sell an awful game. I'm not saying you couldn't. Strategy games are not for masses, masses could not be bothered with, stop and think for a second what to do and how to do it.

As far as it goes for Naval combat. Develop completely separate game about it, that should concentrate completely on naval combat only. That way you could do games about WWI and WWII naval warfare.

With this kind of "survey" I definitely feel that this franchise is taking it's last breath.

The thing is that the potential is still so huge that the CA has barely even scratched it. I mean the execution isn't really there yet. I don't mind of recycling the historical themes introduced so far, just keep improving that gameplay. Thinking about Civilization series. Pretty much nothing new in the core of the gameplay, however it's just so much improved. Call of Duty (far fetched I know) Infinity Ward franchise. Same MP gameplay just like in the first one, but here and there is clearly improved.

Sir Beane

01-19-2009, 13:34

@ Praxil

This is not the first time that CA have launched an official poll asking people what game to make. I know for certain that they did this with Rome and Medieval 2. In fact many people have said that Empire Total War was a direct result of fan requests (combined with new tech being available).

The franchise is hardly taking it's last breath just because CA want to know what the fans want to play. They may have put WW1 up there as a choice, but given the response in https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=110534 thread it probably won't be a popular choice.

I can't see a problem with asking fans what game they want to play. You say CA shuold develop games for themselves, but what if no one wants to buy the game they want to make? They are left with having wasted money and years of their lives on junk, basically.

This is not the kind of economy to be taking risks in. CA are doing this poll because htey need to know what will sell, in order to stay in business.

And CA aren't trying to appeal to 'the masses' in the way the Wii is. The wii appeals to masses of non-gamers. CA is trying to appeal to the masses of gamers who will generally play anything if it is high quality enough and fun enough.

Saying strategy games are for the masses is dismissive and a little narrow-minded. There are many strategy games that have sold extremely well, and clearly dont appeal to just hardcore fans. Think Age of Empires, Command and Conquer and recently Sins of a Solar Empire (not to mention previous Total War games.)

So don't worry about the Total War series being on it's last legs because of a poll. CA going under will only happen if they do not listen to the fans, not because they do.

Thermal

01-19-2009, 19:40

while not too convinced imagine world war 1 modding wise, all the mods you could do with tanks and guns and stuff, with all that technology fantasy mods would be amazing!

Monk

01-20-2009, 03:40

Wow.

I was really tempted to vote for the Asian total war option. I'd love to see that entire area reimagined in the empire engine.. but I have to say I went with WW1. It's an era that has seen little exploration (lemme rephrase, good exploration) in terms of videogames.

Unlike ww2, where it's been done to death, ww1 would give you the chance to really see primordial technology (U-boats, machine guns, aircraft and tanks!) as well as be thrown into some of History's bloodiest battles. It would force veterans of the TW franchise after having mastered the gunpowder, medieval and Sengoku Jidai eras, to completely rethink diplomacy and strategy, as well as battlefield tactics. It would be amazing to see the sluggish tanks of the era going toe to toe it out in no man's land. We're all familiar with combined arms, but now factoring in Aircraft, it's in effect a whole new area that CA could expand their franchise. Not only would we have armies and navies, but air forces too!

If the naval battle engine were to be updated, evolved and carried over from ETW we could see huge, smoke spewing battleships slugging it out on the high seas. And really, who isn't interested in that!

adembroski

01-20-2009, 04:49

I voted Rome highest. I know, we've already got Rome, but honestly, I think the classical era... from the rise of Greece to the fall of Rome... can all be one game.

I put WWI fifth. I just don't think it fits Total War's style, and I like Total War's style. I want to see it improved, AI most importantly, but I don't want it changed fundamentally.

hoom

01-20-2009, 06:59

The site does use the Offical logo of both Sega and CA and Total WarHave you never heard of Phishing?
Without a confirmation from CA staff or a link from either Sega or Totalwar.com, I ain't going there.

Fisherking

01-20-2009, 10:45

Have you never heard of Phishing?
Without a confirmation from CA staff or a link from either Sega or Totalwar.com, I ain't going there.

If it were I am sure we would have been informed at the very least.

If there is a different company retained to run the survey then it explains a different registration but the ability to use the logos.

Caution is not a bad thing and if you don’t wish to take the survey which requires an email address then it is your right.

But if it were a scam, by this point I think we would have heard.

Sir Beane

01-20-2009, 11:49

The survey IS official. I just asked Jack Lusted via PM and he linked me to this (http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/41158) thread.

Hi guys,

We would like to invite you to take part in a short survey about Real Time Strategy games and Total War in particular. Your opinion is very important to us and even if you haven't played a Total War game in the past, we would love to hear your views. This is your chance to tell us what you think! Please click on the link below to begin the survey.

www.totalwarsurvey.com

Thanks,

Mark O'Connell

(aka SenseiTW)

For those who don't know Mark O'Connell is a CA staff member, so the site is definitely legitimate. Hope this helps. :2thumbsup:

Polemists

01-20-2009, 12:05

I've heard of phising for insurance and credit card companies to get your money, but phising to find out which total war game you want to play? That'd be a new one :laugh4:

Fisherking

01-20-2009, 12:23

Now we all know for cretin that it is official anyway.

Of course it does not address Sir Beane’s theory of CA being an evil cartel, trying to gain control of our thoughts in order to destroy the world!

:oops:

:laugh4::clown:

chairman

01-21-2009, 10:35

Sir Beane

01-21-2009, 12:00

Im disappointed by the lack of an earlier game for China such as the Warring States or Three Kingdoms. I voted for Feudal Japan/Imperial Japan. If they did this, my understanding is that it would start sometime during the Song dynasty(960-1279) like say 1050 or 1100 and continue till the Tokugawa Shogunate/End of the Ming dynasty, so the late 16th century/early 17th century. That is a HUGE time period but ..... maybe... just maybe it can be pulled off. But I will not stand it if they make it as innaccurate as RTW (mainly alexander) and M2TW.

I wouldn't mind classical Greece/Rome 2 if it included Alexander and (absolute must have or won't buy) the Diadochi Wars. If it is classical Greece, it must include a fully fleshed out Achaemenid Empire. And ABSOLUTELY NO 300 STYLE SPARTANS AND NINJA IMMORTALS WITH RHINO RAMS. End rant.

Chairman

I agree with wanting an epic long campaign running through centuries of Asian history. But CA have shown a reluctance to do such long spans of time. It would be fantastic to see China and the surrounding countries change and advance in the same way we have seen Europe advance (In Medival through to Empire.)

Also agreeing with your point about 300. Spartans were bad enough in Rome anyway, think what CA could end up doing with them if they are fans of the movie (or trying to appeal to fans of the movie) :wall:.

hoom

01-21-2009, 12:54

The survey IS official. I just asked Jack Lusted via PM and he linked me to this thread.Cool, thats the sort of official confirmation I was after :)

Sir Beane

01-21-2009, 13:02

Cool, thats the sort of official confirmation I was after :)

No problem, I was a little worried about it to (especially since at first I completed it without thinking.)

We're just lucky that CA are a good enough company to have representatives here who are easily contactable and don't mind answering questions. :2thumbsup: (Unless they are about game features CA don't want to talk about.) :laugh4:

Polemists

01-21-2009, 15:10

We're just lucky that CA are a good enough company to have representatives here who are easily contactable and don't mind answering questions. (Unless they are about game features CA don't want to talk about.)

Yes.....unless it's about a demo

You know like THE demo,

as in the demo we are all waiting on.

Common CA, you missed the Feb release date, least you can do is release a feb demo :whip:

Fisherking

01-21-2009, 15:21

Yes.....unless it's about a demo

You know like THE demo,

as in the demo we are all waiting on.

Common CA, you missed the Feb release date, least you can do is release a feb demo :whip:

ROFLOL!

Would you like a demo?

If they are playing around with the engine they may not be ready for a demo.

I want the whole game! And ASAP!

Sure we are all going stir crazy waiting for it. I have never awaited a game with more anticipation. And don’t get me wrong, a demo would be great…I would just rather have a completed, working, high-quality game than a demo.

I want information and to see how it works as much or more than most of the people around here.

I just don’t think we are at all likely to get it.

:drama1:

Sir Beane

01-21-2009, 15:30

I agree with Polemists!

We need a demo soon, or else it's heads-on-pikes time! If CA can release a decent demo that showcases Land and Naval battles in Empire then they can convince a lot of fans who are on the fence that this is the game for them. Whilst at the same time stopping those of us who are anticipating the game from turning rabid and attempting to storm Horsham, West Sussex (CA's HQ). :laugh4:

If I were them I would be worried. Their address is publicly available and their wonderful games have taught us how to effectively form large groups of people into a fighting force. :clown:

Come one CA, please, please, please give us some info about a demo. We promise we won't pillage anywhere if you do!

Fisherking

01-21-2009, 15:42

Settle down boys!

Remember this is a game development company we are talking about…

That means they are likely gamers, and just a weird as we are…

They will be armed!

I can lend some of you swords, claymores, and mail but I don’t have enough for everyone. And I am keeping the musket! No wait, too hard to use on horseback…

Besides, Sir Beane, you just spoiled any chance of a surprise attack! Now they will know…

Oh well the UK is too far to ride my horse anyway…

Someone give us a demo…

Polemists

01-21-2009, 15:58

Would you like a demo?

YES

I don't see why it's so hard. They take two of the historical battles, call up fileplanet, say "Hey you want a exclusive" Fileplanet says sure, hands over monies, then it leaks and we all play it. Everyone is happy :)

I'm all for a proper game, but this is with delay. If I have to wait, I should have demo

DEMMMMMMMMMMMMO

Don't make me charter something to sussex :P

Sir Beane

01-21-2009, 16:04

Don't make me charter something to sussex :P

If you ever fancy raising a small army to try and take a demo by force then I'll be there! So long as I get to wear a fancy uniform and call myself General Beane. :2thumbsup::laugh4:

I can lend some of you swords, claymores, and mail but I don’t have enough for everyone. And I am keeping the musket! No wait, too hard to use on horseback…

@ Fisherking

I actually have a local shop which sells swords and military knives, although sadly not plate armor or mail. :beam:

We will have to make do with a saucepan helmet, dustbin lid shield and wearing really thick coats stuffed full of bibles. :laugh4:

Edit: Before CA got on the phone with the local constabulary about a terrorist attack I assure everyone down at Horsham that we are joking.

Atleast until the game gets delayed again...

magnum

01-21-2009, 21:04

While I wouldn't mind seeing all 5 as future total war games I went with 19th Century as #1 followed by WW1. With an engine made for Napolean era warfare, it seems that following that up with a 19th century setting would make best use of the engine they have. While I would enjoy a WWI setting, might be best to hold off on that until someday when they plan on WWI followed by WWII. Would still love to see a China/Asia and Greece TW, and someday a Rome. Rome falls at the bottom though as I already have it. M2TW was nice and I did buy and play it, but it is my least favorite TW not counting expansions.

On a later question I threw in American Civil War. CA has the experince to do one well, just not sure it would be a total war game with only 2 primary factions.

Noncommunist

01-21-2009, 21:33

Unless France or Britain got involved. Although France was bogged down in Mexico at the time. Also, there were tribes that got on one side or the other. While it would be limited, it wouldn't be entirely two sided.

Grey Bahamut

01-21-2009, 23:36

Sir Beane

01-21-2009, 23:38

Did anyone ever play the Dynasty Warriors games? Personally I mean DW 2-4, not the crappy regurgitations we seem to be getting nowadays....

Anyway, I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this, but how about a Three Kingdoms-era Total War? I think it'd be a pretty decent setting - lots of factions, troop types, varying terrain, etc. Also it'd be an opportunity to explore the other major players of the era apart from the big four of Wu, Wei, Shu, and Yuan Shao's kingdom, i.e: Liu Biao, Yuan Shu, etc.

Maybe this is just me reminiscing - what do you think?

Played them and loved them! I would also love a game set during the Three Kingdoms era. Seeing Lu Bu and the otehr Dynasty Warriors characters as generals would be very interesting (especially if they used Dynasty Warriors style fighting on the battle map) :laugh4:

Mailman653

01-22-2009, 00:01

Thats an interesting list to pick from, I'm a bit torn in deciding which would be my #1 and my #5.

Cecil XIX

01-22-2009, 04:06

My rankings:

1. Imperial China & Feudal Japan
2. 19th Century
3. Classical Greece
4. Rome
5. The First World War

Reasoning for Number 1: It's been a long time since Shogun: Total War, and it would be very easy to make a mod in the same timeframe as Shogun. Also, it would have the biggest change in location.

Reasoning for Number 5: 'Total War' games have always been set in periods where soldiers marched together in big blocks of Infantry. I don't want that to change.

knoddy

01-25-2009, 10:49

I noticed someone said alot of the Vets dont want guns n the like and im one of these. when Empire was first released i was hesitant. given some of the recent movies n stuff i will buy it but considering im an ancient history major i like my swords n spears an bows n arrows :P

i would hate to see WW1, but thats just a personal choice, the time period doesnt interest me at all.

Greece or Rome would be my choices, while i know Rome has been done b4, it is one of the most interesting time periods in ancient history. And classical greece would be very cool, def got my vote for the next game, i always wanted to make a classical greece mod but the biggest problem i had with it, was that to make it your map of greece would have to be very large and intricate while you wouldnt be able to do all of europe and the like because greece would been to be large to include all of the city states.

oh and as for the no 300 spartans comment. while i agree the whole idea has been marred by hollywood there is a point to be made for the spartan warriors. They were the only professional soldiers in classical Greece and were not defeated in a land battle of equal numbers for a long long time, not until they were crushed by Epaminondas and the theban sacred band at Leuctra in 371BC. So while having them as a super uber unit would be silly, but they should still be strong :D

Also i think if they did a classical Greece total war they should include the rise of Macedon under Phillip the 2nd and the conquest of Persia by Alexander the Great. Using the theatres of war idea perhaps they could have greece as 1, italy as another and asia minor as the 3rd or soemthing like that.

neway enough blathering

GO GREECE TOTAL WAR!

Cheers Knoddy

EDIT: ohhh maybe 1 they forgot??? Mongol total war. What about a mod based around the rise of the mongols, fighting the tartars, breaking China's domination over them, fighting the russians and the arab forces and the indian princes, and even some into europe!

just another random thought !

Imperator Honorius

01-25-2009, 11:34

The survey's closed D:

knoddy

01-25-2009, 11:44

i know but people can still state their opinions if i had read this thread earlier i would suggested Mongol total war hehe

they have been in both medievals but always unplayable unless modded and always as conquerors with huge armies never have we been able to play individual tribes trying to bind together nomadic tribes to conquer the world!

Polemists

01-25-2009, 14:09

i know but people can still state their opinions

DEMO

My opinion is stated.:smash:

Sir Beane

01-25-2009, 14:30

DEMO

My opinion is stated.:smash:

Seconded! DEMO!DEMO!DEMO! Uhh... please?

PBI

01-25-2009, 14:37

EDIT: ohhh maybe 1 they forgot??? Mongol total war. What about a mod based around the rise of the mongols, fighting the tartars, breaking China's domination over them, fighting the russians and the arab forces and the indian princes, and even some into europe!

just another random thought !

:yes:

If it's any consolation, I suggested this in the "Any other settings you'd like to see?" section.

Paradox

01-25-2009, 20:18

Did anyone ever play the Dynasty Warriors games? Personally I mean DW 2-4, not the crappy regurgitations we seem to be getting nowadays....

Anyway, I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this, but how about a Three Kingdoms-era Total War? I think it'd be a pretty decent setting - lots of factions, troop types, varying terrain, etc. Also it'd be an opportunity to explore the other major players of the era apart from the big four of Wu, Wei, Shu, and Yuan Shao's kingdom, i.e: Liu Biao, Yuan Shu, etc.

Maybe this is just me reminiscing - what do you think?
I always was hoping TW would pay a visit to the Three Kingdoms era, especially since there were countless factions and the country was completely war-torn. Honestly, I can't think of a better time period than this one. Vast land, many warlords, various terrains, and the powerful well-known units like the Bai Ma cavalry and the barbaric Nanmans. And instead of the pope and the senate, we would have the emperor and the imperial court, which you can choose to serve or take advantage of and become an emperor yourself.

I doubt China's CA's thing though...

Lusitani

01-25-2009, 22:31

I would like to see a TW title starting in the Neolitic and ending just before WWI.
I am feverish and delirious but thats beside the point... :juggle2:

pevergreen

01-26-2009, 04:24

Would not Shogun 2: Total War work? Many want that era again, and (I'm no expert on Japanese and Asian history) but was there not gunpowder and ship combat?

Martok

01-26-2009, 07:19

Would not Shogun 2: Total War work? Many want that era again, and (I'm no expert on Japanese and Asian history) but was there not gunpowder and ship combat?
As I understand it, while gunpowder did eventually come to have a major role during the late part of the Sengoku Jidai, prior to that point its impact in Japanese affairs was relatively minor. As for naval combat, there actually weren't many sea battles to speak of, and the few that did occur were more like land battles (that were simply fought ship-to-ship).

That said, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Shogun 2. There's massive potential there if done correctly. :yes:

Polemists

01-26-2009, 08:25

Clearly Martok you are forgetting the famous battle of Wave Vs Mongol horde.

Think about it, Japan could control the wave, and the Mongols the horde on boats that can't move anywhere.:laugh4:

Sir Beane

01-26-2009, 13:41

Clearly Martok you are forgetting the famous battle of Wave Vs Mongol horde.

Think about it, Japan could control the wave, and the Mongols the horde on boats that can't move anywhere.:laugh4:

Japan has a special unit available in the late game.

The Kami Kaze

A great storm which instantly destroys any any fleet in the sea on which this unit is placed.

It gurantees japanese naval superiority in much the same way that geisha guranteed superiority in subterfuge. :2thumbsup:

Paradox

01-26-2009, 13:44

Japan has a special unit available in the late game.

The Kami Kaze

A great storm which instantly destroys any any fleet in the sea on which this unit is placed.

It gurantees japanese naval superiority in much the same way that geisha guranteed superiority in subterfuge. :2thumbsup:
That should be an event, not a skill. :inquisitive:

Any TW game in the far east would turn out fine, why is it always Europe?

Sir Beane

01-26-2009, 13:47

That should be an event, not a skill. :inquisitive:

Any TW game in the far east would turn out fine, why is it always Europe?

It was a joke, rather than an event or a skill. :laugh4:

And it's probably because CA is based in England, and the majority of their customer base is European. Also they did make a TW game set in the far east. It was pretty good. :2thumbsup:

I think they will go either non-European or not-just-European in their next game. I put Asia as my number one choice.

Polemists

01-26-2009, 13:49

It was a joke, rather than an event or a skill.

And it's probably because CA is based in England, and the majority of their customer base is European. Also they did make a TW game set in the far east. It was pretty good.

I think they will go either non-European or not-just-European in their next game. I put Asia as my number one choice.

I think you give to much credit to the far east....

To clearly indicate that games in Europe are fun and worth are time (oh yes it's coming)

I think we need......

A DEMO

knoddy

01-28-2009, 03:22

i think the way they are doing the different regions in ETW gives them alot more leeway in the future to expand the map even more. Who knows they could do a World Total War and just have 4-5 different theatres. i dont think its likely but the introduction of this feature allows for many possibilities. i think its one of the reasons Greece TW would be viable the biggest problem i knew i would have to overcome if i wanted to turn Rome, Greece with a mod was the scale. In order to do greece justice u need to have massive scale with different provinces for the different city states. however if u made greece that detailed the world itself would be massive.

neway enough blabbering tbh as long as its not any more futuristic than Empire im happy. i was a bit hesitant bout empire as it was but it seems like its going to be great. Lets go Chro-mangum man total war

Cheers Knoddy

Divinus Arma

01-29-2009, 07:40