View Full Version : Ebherni & Goidilic Shock infantry?
HorusLupercal
01-26-2009, 03:41
How do I get them, playing Casse, in Age of Soldiers and I have a top level foreign baracks in ivernis with level 4 alliance and a top level faction baracks in ebain macha (level 2)... so where are these awesome looking units?
The only place you can get them is in your dreams. :yes:
And in Custom Battles.
HorusLupercal
01-26-2009, 04:03
according to recruitment viewer i should be able to recruit them... although it is kind of obtuse, whats the point of including them if they can only be used in custom battles?
Well, those units were either ahistorical or too few in number to be included, so in the later versions of EB recruitment of them was disabled. They didn't want to remove them fully, so you can still get them in custom battles.
HorusLupercal
01-26-2009, 04:13
well thanks for the revelation, although i must say i am kinda disappointed... really wanted some troops with hammers lol
Olaf The Great
01-26-2009, 04:24
well thanks for the revelation, although i must say i am kinda disappointed... really wanted some troops with hammers lol
To re-enable those units, Dosidataskeli and Dubosaverlacica and Ordmalica, simply open the file
-EB->Data->export_descr_buildings.txt
-Ctrl & F to search
-Put in "dosidataskeli" and search for it
-At the end of the line where it comes up you'll see "and hidden_resource not_here"
-Remove all instances of that and save file.
The Irish units were disabled because the history behind them is a bit foggy, the Dosidataskeli were disabled because they were a bodyguard unit of a tribe, and of course extremely rare.
Dosidataskeli were disabled because they were a bodyguard unit of a tribe, and of course extremely rare.
Prove it.
Olaf The Great
01-26-2009, 05:29
Prove it.
Well I can't exactly prove it, It's just what I read in their description and in the forums, they -are- the retainers of the Vasci king. Now in my opinion they should be recruitable, and the EB team was kind enough to leave them in the game so we can.
I just hope they give us a choice in EB2,
@ HorusLupercal: you can tinker with the EDB file if you want, in order to get a hold of them in sigle player. I'll warn you though, It is a tricky file, and the slightest mistake will cause you grief. If you don't want that risk, just run EB multiplayer and play custom battles (If you use the trivial script)
Prove it.
well, they were equipped in rediculously expensive 3-4 layer armor IIRC, ultra high quality weapons, served the Vasci (according to the info), and the Vasci weren't exactly the biggest tribe in Iberia IIRC, so the result is a very small cadre of troops, so there.. plain logic, common sence, and a semieducated guess. I imagine these factors influenced EB in its decision. Its not a difficult thing to prove, and I think its somewhat rude to demand proof for every historical fact, even those that are quite obvious.
your comment BTW was fitting of a bukhshi-and those kind of people have no business in the guild (or any forum). you need to learn to come into these forums without an axe to grind.
@meth: manners please ;)
Olaf The Great
01-27-2009, 01:32
@ HorusLupercal: you can tinker with the EDB file if you want, in order to get a hold of them in sigle player. I'll warn you though, It is a tricky file, and the slightest mistake will cause you grief. If you don't want that risk, just run EB multiplayer and play custom battles (If you use the trivial script)
well, they were equipped in rediculously expensive 3-4 layer armor IIRC, ultra high quality weapons, served the Vasci (according to the info), and the Vasci weren't exactly the biggest tribe in Iberia IIRC, so the result is a very small cadre of troops, so there.. plain logic, common sence, and a semieducated guess. I imagine these factors influenced EB in its decision. Its not a difficult thing to prove, and I think its somewhat rude to demand proof for every historical fact, even those that are quite obvious.
your comment BTW was fitting of a bukhshi-and those kind of people have no business in the guild (or any forum). you need to learn to come into these forums without an axe to grind.
@meth: manners please ;)Thank you Ibrahim.
Is it possible to add in the instructions that I put down in the FAQ? We get like 50 of these threads a month, plus we'd make the silent people happier.
(according to the info)
This is the problem. You can't trust just the EB info. There's a lot of inaccuracies in regards to the celts (and that area of the world) at this time. I'm pretty confident you'll see big changes in EBII.
and the Vasci weren't exactly the biggest tribe in Iberia IIRC, so the result is a very small cadre of troops, so there.. plain logic, common sence, and a semieducated guess. I imagine these factors influenced EB in its decision. Its not a difficult thing to prove, and I think its somewhat rude to demand proof for every historical fact, even those that are quite obvious.
Quite obvious? All you have is a page from the EB website. If it's so obvious, perhaps you can pull up another source. I have never heard of another reference to these guys.
P.S- The cited reference for these guys (and/or the Irish equivalents) are a single book that never existed.
your comment BTW was fitting of a bukhshi-and those kind of people have no business in the guild (or any forum). you need to learn to come into these forums without an axe to grind.
@meth: manners please ;)
bukhshi?
Anyways, thanks mom. I'll seriously consider your opinion of me in the future.
they -are- the retainers of the Vasci king.
Well, they're probably not. I mean, they may have been, but there's no reason to think that.
And does anybody else have kind of a problem with the most sophisticated/effective units coming from such small, poor, political non-entities?
And if people think I'm a one trick pony, I'm just trying to increase general awareness of these fraudulent claims. This game is about historical accuracy, not badass fantasy units.
A Terribly Harmful Name
01-27-2009, 04:57
I do not consider this fraudulent or fantasy at all. For the price of a single TAB, I can overwhelm it with two Cohortes Imperatoria. Must be the same with these uber units.
I seem to recall several threads about this in the last few months, where this was explained by Foot, MAA, and others. Why not do a Search?
I do not consider this fraudulent or fantasy at all. For the price of a single TAB, I can overwhelm it with two Cohortes Imperatoria. Must be the same with these uber units.
What does this have to do with what we were talking about?
Frostwulf
01-27-2009, 05:38
I do not consider this fraudulent or fantasy at all. For the price of a single TAB, I can overwhelm it with two Cohortes Imperatoria. Must be the same with these uber units.The question is whether the units actually existed, not that they are to powerful(like the Gaesatae).
I seem to recall several threads about this in the last few months, where this was explained by Foot, MAA, and others. Why not do a Search? All that I found was that the unit was to small to be included, no real information to back up that there was a real historical unit; where did EB get the information for "expensive 3-4 layer armor IIRC, ultra high quality weapons, served the Vasci (according to the info)"?
Moros (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1941121&postcount=7)
Luden (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2008794&postcount=11)
The highest-ranking people who said it.
Ok, I keep mixing up the Ebherni and the Vasci, could you tell me what they are?
Vasci are the tribe from the tank unit from northwestern Spain. Ebherni or Iverni are descendants of them who ended up in Eire (=ireland). They also used the Fishscale armour combined with layers of chainmail.
Edit: Lobf wether you agree or not with someone, atleast you can be nice and polite. If you can't do at least that, don't bother posting. Thanks Olaf, desert, Ibrahim for awsnering and helping in a polite way!
This is the problem. You can't trust just the EB info. There's a lot of inaccuracies in regards to the celts (and that area of the world) at this time. I'm pretty confident you'll see big changes in EBII.
remember-many goidilic units were reasearched by ex-members (IIRC, PSYCHOV and Ranika). Hence, If any unit in EB is "false", then don't fight with this team, as they had nothing to do with it. nor should you expect them to answer the questions you have, as they weren't involved in research, and they need to finish EB2, a difficult project. don't expect an answer from me either, I'm focused on school and kronoskaf. mind you i know that you can't just trust EB, but so far they did a fine job. And If they have any mistakes, they'll fix it by EB2, god willing.
Quite obvious? All you have is a page from the EB website. If it's so obvious, perhaps you can pull up another source. I have never heard of another reference to these guys.
P.S- The cited reference for these guys (and/or the Irish equivalents) are a single book that never existed.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1941121&postcount=7
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2008794&postcount=11
I was basically simplifying what they said. again, I'm no Celt expert-I'm just telling you what I found, and I find it common sensical and obvious. again, live with it. If you have trouble with all this, blame no one currently in the forum. and If you are desperate for sources, look for them yourself. I don't have time to waste on you and neither does the EB team-Its not my or their problem if the people who made them used a fake book. again, bury the hatchet with the team.
bukhshi?
Anyways, thanks mom. I'll seriously consider your opinion of me in the future.
you are one. coming here with an axe to grind and a nasty attitude is a detriment to the spirit of the EB forum. your posts are almost always rude, cynical, offensive, and pretty much annoying. (not always, but almost always). learn to get along, and let them do their work. they'll fix any mistakes they find, if found. end of story. If you still have problems with their units, you can always tinker around with EB 1 in a manner of your choosing. Its afterall easy to mod.
for those of you who don't know, a bukhshi is anyone with a nasty, detrimental, or rude attittude (i.e an infamous british slang).
remember-many goidilic units were reasearched by ex-members (IIRC, PSYCHOV and Ranika). Hence, If any unit in EB is "false", then don't fight with this team, as they had nothing to do with it. nor should you expect them to answer the questions you have, as they weren't involved in research, and they need to finish EB2, a difficult project.
We don't have "nothing to do with it", it's part of the mod after all. Still, the rest is true, the people who concepted them are no longer with us, we don't have their material and thus we can't present evidence. In EB2, we try to collect the necessary information about what we put in the mod where all members can access it, so this situation won't repeat itself.
Were those the Ordmalica and one of the other units taken out of the 1.2 export_descr_buildings file? Because when I tried to find them, they didn't show up, and I was kinda curious to see if they were any good. Also, they'd add some extra variety in my Casse campaign.
Were those the Ordmalica and one of the other units taken out of the 1.2 export_descr_buildings file? Because when I tried to find them, they didn't show up, and I was kinda curious to see if they were any good. Also, they'd add some extra variety in my Casse campaign.
they were also taken out. this time, the EB team felt they were innacurate. you'll have to start from scratch.
Too much work. Ah well, I guess I can deal. Thanks though.
remember-many goidilic units were reasearched by ex-members (IIRC, PSYCHOV and Ranika). Hence, If any unit in EB is "false", then don't fight with this team, as they had nothing to do with it. nor should you expect them to answer the questions you have, as they weren't involved in research, and they need to finish EB2, a difficult project.
I'm not fighting the team, asking them any questions, or making any demands. These units won't be in EBII because the minds they were conceived in are no longer a part of the team. I'm trying to get people to understand they were a mistake in the first place.
don't expect an answer from me either, I'm focused on school and kronoskaf. mind you i know that you can't just trust EB, but so far they did a fine job. And If they have any mistakes, they'll fix it by EB2, god willing.
I agree, EBII will fix most of this. But if you aren't willing to do the legwork and prove an assertion, don't bother making one.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1941121&postcount=7
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2008794&postcount=11
I was basically simplifying what they said. again,
But they had no reason to make those claims.
I'm no Celt expert-I'm just telling you what I found, and I find it common sensical and obvious. again, live with it. If you have trouble with all this, blame no one currently in the forum. and If you are desperate for sources, look for them yourself. I don't have time to waste on you and neither does the EB team-Its not my or their problem if the people who made them used a fake book. again, bury the hatchet with the team.
What makes you think I'm campaigning against the team here? I'm trying to get the community at large to recognize that these guys were/are fake.
This isn't about "common sense" it's about historical accuracy.
you are one. coming here with an axe to grind and a nasty attitude is a detriment to the spirit of the EB forum. your posts are almost always rude, cynical, offensive, and pretty much annoying. (not always, but almost always). learn to get along, and let them do their work. they'll fix any mistakes they find, if found. end of story. If you still have problems with their units, you can always tinker around with EB 1 in a manner of your choosing. Its afterall easy to mod.
Again, I know. They took them out of EB. This is all because people keep asking about them. The fact that they were removed from a game about historical accuracy should tell people something about them.
for those of you who don't know, a bukhshi is anyone with a nasty, detrimental, or rude attittude (i.e an infamous british slang).
For the most part I'm just down for talking history. When people make bogus assertions and refuse to consider them or back them up, I get angry. As long as the discussion stays academic, I will too.
Frostwulf
01-27-2009, 21:11
Vasci are the tribe from the tank unit from northwestern Spain. Ebherni or Iverni are descendants of them who ended up in Eire (=ireland). They also used the Fishscale armour combined with layers of chainmail.Where can I find where this Fishscale armor was found? I would appreciate any information on this.
As far as lobf is concerned I understand his frustration. People come on to this forum and see some of these units and think they are historically accurate. So when he see's them respond and talk of these "awesome" units he is trying to correct them. I think that should be a concern for those who want historical accuracy. My frustration comes when I see this nonsense transferred to other forums, which now can be seen in mount and blade(or whatever its called) and several other forums.
This isn't about "common sense" it's about historical accuracy.
Last I checked, it was also about having fun. The mod was made to be more historically accurate, but the fact of the matter is that it is still a game plain and simple. People can play the game any way they choose, personally until they were taken out of the script in 1.2, I chose to re-activate them simply because they added and extra dimension to the game. It all comes down to preference and besides, there is no point in arguing about it because the units are taken completely out of the 1.2 release anyway so they should be a non issue.
It appears that we are travelling back in time with this thread. We've discussed this many times before. We are attempting to do better in the future bringing our sources to bear for EBII. However, in the meantime bringing up covered topics with snide asides and spiteful posts is going to get discussion locked.
The original question has been answered. Lobf has had his signature rant. I think that ties everything up. Shall we call it a night?
Locked.
Megalos Danielos Psychopatos
01-28-2009, 08:23
I have modeed descr_building.txt to have acces to "hammerers" and "tanks", but in my Casse campaign sth strange happens : I can recruit the first ones ONLY on 3 lvl regional barracks; on 4 and 5 I can't...(on 4 level acces to "tanks" appears but "hammerers" disapear).:help:
You've missed some not heres. As this could become a continuation of the locked thread, I'm merging it in.
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