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Tarkus
01-28-2009, 17:18
I saw this online this morning (not being very productive at work today :2thumbsup:) and thought this may be of interest. Or is this old news to most of you here? Any comments on the study and its implications? I'd be really interested in the community's reactions...enjoy!



Ancient Battlefield Hints at Roman Persistence
By Andrew Curry
ScienceNOW Daily News
15 December 2008

HANOVER, GERMANY--Metal-detector hobbyists have stumbled upon what may be one of the largest intact Roman battlefields ever discovered. The site, located about 100 kilometers south of here and revealed today by archaeologists, dates to about 200 C.E. That throws a spear into the idea that a massive defeat a couple of centuries earlier kept the Romans out of Germany for good.

The hobbyists first discovered the site, outside the small town of Kalefeld, in 2000 while illegally looking for a medieval fort. They unearthed several artifacts but were reluctant to take them to authorities. In June 2008, the hobbyists finally brought the artifacts to Petra Loenne, the official archaeologist for the county of Northeim, south of Hanover.

Loenne immediately recognized an unusual tangle of metal. Called a "hippo-sandal," it was a sort of early horseshoe that was wrapped around the hoof of a horse or draft animal (see picture). "It definitely wasn't medieval," she says. In fact, it was Roman--an oddity because Lower Saxony, where the artifact was found, is hundreds of kilometers north of the known Roman frontier.

Loenne quickly called in other archaeologists--and metal-detector hobbyists trusted by the local authorities. Her priority was to locate any artifacts close to the surface as quickly as possible. "We had to hurry and excavate before word got out and looters arrived," Loenne says. What the group found, spread over rough terrain almost a 1.6 kilometers long, were more than 600 metal artifacts, from Roman sandal nails to arrowheads and 15-centimeter-long iron spear points that once capped javelins fired from giant crossbows called ballistae. At least one arrowhead still contained enough of the original wooden shaft to provide organic material for radiocarbon dating, which placed the arrow to some time in the 3rd century C.E. Coins and other artifacts support the idea that the battle may have been fought between 200 and 250 C.E.

Experts say the presence of specialized artillery weapons such as the ballista and Roman sandal nails is a good indication that the combatants were Romans, not barbarians using Roman weapons that they captured or purchased. "The artifacts really suggest the Romans were up there," says Eric De Sena, an archaeologist at John Cabot University in Rome. "Archaeologists have found a lot of artifacts above the limes [Roman frontier], but to find a battlefield is really surprising."

The find adds a wrinkle to Roman history. Romans appear to have made a few tentative forays into Germany, but in 9 C.E., three Roman legions were annihilated by barbarians. Scholars have long believed that defeat--known as the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest--was enough to make the Romans stay out of Germany for good. The existence of the battlefield implies that Romans were conducting significant military operations long after historians assumed they gave up on German conquest, the archaeologists say.

Loenne says now that the site has been secured from looters, full-scale excavations will commence next year to dig deeper into the mysterious battle.

Macilrille
01-28-2009, 18:02
I cannot seem to find the thread, but it has been discussed last week or so here, I participated so I know we talked about it, but for some reason I cannot find it again.

Tarkus
01-28-2009, 18:30
Hmmm...I first did a rough search on this topic to make sure I wasn't trodding over old ground, but came up empty...would love to see the thread if you find it.

This seems like a pretty exciting find, if you believe the radiocarbon data. But I'm not real up to speed on the history of this region, so maybe it's not too revolutionary to the more experienced part of the crowd. Anyone?

Mediolanicus
01-28-2009, 18:51
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=111208

This thread?

Towards the middle and the end it gets really interesting.

Macilrille
01-28-2009, 18:59
Bingo, thanks.

Tarkus
01-28-2009, 19:15
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=111208

This thread?

Towards the middle and the end it gets really interesting.

Many thanks, Mediolanicus...didn't refine my search well enough to pick this up. Good discussion indeed.