Which faction do you hate the most?

[Maion Maroneios]

Chairete! Just wanted to find out which faction you EB members hate the most, and why.

Mine would be the Romani. I don't know, I'm just a Roman-hater. Cheap copy-cats of Greek culture and overly-proud of their legions. Plus they smell like fish:clown:

Maion

[/Bean\]

To play, it would probably be the Ptolies. There's just no excitment or future in them for me. I also rarely play barbarian factions. Not a fan. Dont hit me...:help:

[Maion Maroneios]

I see. To be more specific, I mean which faction does make you mad and gives you a motive to sack their capital with your faction?:clown:

Maion

[athanaric]

Ptolemaioi.

In most of my campaigns, these guys just destroy everything and become a superpower with infinite money supply. Really hate them (hated Vanilla Egypt even more though). In my current Sweboz campaign they have already killed off two of my allies and are close to finishing off AS and Baktria. :furious3: Now I am planning to destroy them and raze every single one of their cities.

Second choice would be Romani, for the same reasons, plus Legionaries are a royal pain in the a** to fight against. And of course Eleutheroi.

[SwissBarbar]

Clearly the Ptolies. Just can't stand the yellow death, ruined several campaigns by beeing boring

[/Bean\]

Rome's easier to control with their spamming, because you simply need to transport Ptolemaios Aiakides' army to Italy right at the beginning, and that usually keeps Rome, Epirus and Makedonia/KH alive and exciting until around 230BC every time for me.

Ptole's always take Antioch, and once they have the AS never come back from that. And I hate it when Haiasdan move into steps, or the KH/Getail go on a rampage through north eastern Europe and into Russia. And when Lusotannians take over the lower half of Gaul and move into Italy. So I suppose interfering in one factions natural expansion just makes other factions' expansions more annoying. :beam:

[Zett]

Romani, they are the worst. They always break their peace treaties and they are, how Maion already said, just a cheap copy of Greek culture. Also they take away many unit slots. Come on, everybody knows that they were annihilated by KH around 240 B.C., so why give them so many reforms that never took place.:clown: And by the way, I hate the color red...really I HATE it.

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[Mediolanicus]

None.

But that doesn't seem to be an option...

[Megalos Danielos Psychopatos]

Roman pigs. I always enjoy razing this malodorous agglutination of cheap mudhouses (Rome if somebody dony understand what I mean:clown:).

[Owen Glyndwr]

At this point it would probably be the Aedui, the buggers recently backstabbed me in my Casse campaign:furious3:

[machinor]

I have to agree on Ptolies, sadly. I enjoy them as a faction and playing them, though. It's just that they become so uberpowerful most of the time. Luckily in my current Epeiros campaign the Seleukids kicked their butt big-time! :2thumbsup:

Romani are okay. At least they put up a fight worthy of mighty Pyrrhus!

[Nachtmeister]

Sauromatae.

However, it is not their fault - it's just that it takes far too long to build up MICs as KH on the Krim peninsula (Bosphoran heavy archers) to be able to fight them properly and taking their settlements sucks too because of KH's infantry-related slow movement...
So as soon as I start campaigning around the Pontos Euxeinos, they become a real pain, having exactly the unit roster you need to effectively counter KH's infantry superiority.

Second place would be AS because of obvious full-stack spam in Mikra Asia.

[iamphet]

I hate Epeiros: they attacked me in my Pahlava campaign as soon as I captured all Asia Minor. Phalanxes again :furious3:

[Lysimachos]

Heavily depends on which faction I'm playing. There is no faction that I hate as a principle, not even the Romans :laugh4: In fact, the character which I made for your interactive AAR, Maion, was designed to oppose any anti-roman aggression (seemed promising, considering all the Romaioi-haters around:idea2:)...

While a game is going I tend to get a certain degree of animosity against factions that just don't stop coming. Recently I consecutively played campaigns with Ptolemaioi, Hayasdan, Pahlava, Pontos and Baktria. Should be quite easy to guess who the unbidden guest was in those games :laugh4:

Edit: My long-term-guess for the leading positions in this poll is: Romani - Ptolemaioi - Arche Seleukeia

Edit 2: Haha, it's already quite clear:laugh4:

[Maion Maroneios]

None.

But that doesn't seem to be an option...
Doesn't have to be, just don't vote:clown:


Heavily depends on which faction I'm playing. There is no faction that I hate as a principle, not even the Romans :laugh4: In fact, the character which I made for your interactive AAR, Maion, was designed to oppose any anti-roman aggression (seemed promising, considering all the Romaioi-haters around:idea2:)...
I see, though he would have managed nothing, Rômê had to fall:evil3: Anyway, I have even created a Rômaioi-haters group. So this will spread and soon we will go as far as demand to take them out as a faction completely and turn them into worthless slaves that they are:yes:

Maion

[Lysimachos]

I see, though he would have managed nothing, Rômê had to fall

I'm aware of that, but it would have been good stuff for heated discussions about on the one side the value of co-operation and on the other the general worthlessness of a Roman as such ~;)

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Doesn't have to be, just don't vote:clown:


I see, though he would have managed nothing, Rômê had to fall:evil4: Anyway, I have even created a Rômaioi-haters group. So this will spread and soon we will go as far as demand to take them out as a faction completely and turn them into worthless slaves that they are:yes:

Maion

I can only say Roma Victoria... The greatest of all civilizations

[Zett]

Turn Romani into Eleutheroi would be a great idea. We could add a more important faction instead, like Pergamon, Massalia or Syrakousai. Or just add some new Phalangitai and Hoplitai units:laugh4:.

I think all factions that expand too much and destroy other factions are bad. I like it if there are many factions around.
Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

[Maion Maroneios]

I can only say Roma Victoria... The greatest of all civilizations
Blasphemer!!!


Turn Romani into Eleutheroi would be a great idea. We could add a more important faction instead, like Pergamon, Massalia or Syrakousai. Or just add some new Phalangitai and Hoplitai units:laugh4:.

I think all factions that expand too much and destroy other factions are bad. I like it if there are many factions around.
Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.
Exactly, though I don't know what that last bit meant:sweatdrop:

Maion

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Turn Romani into Eleutheroi would be a great idea. We could add a more important faction instead, like Pergamon, Massalia or Syrakousai. Or just add some new Phalangitai and Hoplitai units:laugh4:.

I think all factions that expand too much and destroy other factions are bad, i like it if there are many factions around.
Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam.

Well, it´s the burden of the great to be hated while many have compassion upon the weakling.

[Zett]

Exactly, though I don't know what that last bit meant:sweatdrop:

Maion

From Cato the Elder, who ended all of his speeches, no matter what subject he had discussed, with 'ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam' : for the rest, I am of the opinion that Carthage is to be destroyed.

I just switched Carthage with Rome.

(We have to us Latin so that the barbaroi can understand us)


And about the poll...looks like the Ptolemaioi are also hated by many people.

[Βελισάριος]

It would have to be the Romans... a tad hypocritical of me since I come from a technically Romanized culture, but **** 'em. Hellenism should rule the world.

I mean... what have the Romans ever done for us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ&feature=channel_page

Oh, and Zett... nice twist!
Say Maion, how would you say that in (Ancient) Greek? You could make it the motto of your Romanoi-haters :p

[Os-Q]

I used to really hate the Ptolies and the a lesser extent, the Seleukids.

I played a Sweboz campaign (back in 1.1) where I got revenge for all my Saba and Hayasdan campaigns by rampaging through the middle east. (A stack of Family members, clubmen, and horse archers going through Aremenia and Georgia, to Babylon, Isreal, and finally Egypt.) I made tons of money enslaving huge cities and demolishing every building I could.

Afterwords, I didn't feel so angry anymore.

I'm considering voting for the Rebels because of the terrifying armies in eastern Europe.

[Maion Maroneios]

From Cato the Elder, who ended all of his speeches, no matter what subject he had discussed, with 'ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam' : for the rest, I am of the opinion that Carthage is to be destroyed.

I just switched Carthage with Rome.

(We have to us Latin so that the barbaroi can understand us)


And about the poll...looks like the Ptolemaioi are also hated by many people.
I see, good that;s exactly what I wanted to hear:clown:


It would have to be the Romans... a tad hypocritical of me since I come from a technically Romanized culture, but **** 'em. Hellenism should rule the world.

I mean... what have the Romans ever done for us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ&feature=channel_page

Oh, and Zett... nice twist!
Say Maion, how would you say that in (Ancient) Greek? You could make it the motto of your Romanoi-haters :p
I'll try to cook up a translation for this one:yes:

Maion

[kekailoa]

If I'm any faction near to rome, I immediately spend all my beginning resources to crush the Romans before they get powerful.

I hate the Romans. They're joy-killers. They take that fun out fighting different factions by turning Gaul into a red mess. They're no fun at all. :no:

[A Very Super Market]

Saka is an absolute pain for my Baktrians. With Romani, I beat everybody so badly that I actually feel sorry for them

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

[QUOTE=Maion Maroneios;2129055]Blasphemer!!!


Your Blasphemer!!! is the same of the inquisiton age. Meaning, he who speaks the truth.
BTW, your interactve AAR is very well done. Congrats

[Mediolanicus]

Nooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!

[Maion Maroneios]

BTW, your interactve AAR is very well done. Congrats
Thanks man:2thumbsup:

Maion

[richardfburton]

There is no faction that I hate, but my least favourite would be the Romani. Playing as Makedon, I had to deal with stack after stack of Triarii and Pedites Extraordinarii, a rather painful process. Likewise, as Makedon the Arche Seleukia are infuriating as they spam endless elite stacks. So painful was this experience that I've started a campaign as the AS and am relishing getting my hands on the Thorakitai Agmetos Basilikou!

[HunGeneral]

Well I couldn't say that there is a faction I hate the most.

To putt it correctly: It rather depends on which faction I play. My rule is always this: if any faction dares to attack me or declare war on my faction then there fate is decided - there armies will be destroyed, there cities will be sacked (the inhabitant expelled or enslaved if they show no worthy resistance or to defient resistance) and turned into "proper" cities, the memebrs of there royal family will meet an early end (either on the field of battle or by "accident") there name, power and achievements will become history which ends with my faction taking over. Those who are found worthy will be allowed to fight under my banner.:smash:

Such wars will not be ended by a ceasefire but by anexation. (insert evil laugh:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:)

Now seriously: like sad I have no faction I hate above all. There are some I like (Seleukids, Romani, Nomads, Carthadast and some others) but should I be fighting against them I don't hesitate to destroy them (there armies and Generals). The only exception might have been when I tried Arverni and fought against Tancogeistla and remembered "Across the Waters" from Theodotios - after "Big T" routed I thought I migt let him go... but 30 seconds later I told the light horsemen to "get him" they did although I suspected he could get away (must have overestimated him:sweatdrop:)

There are also some factions I hate - Ptolemaioi, Koinon Helennon (foolish greeks - they really can't notice that this is the age of Kings and empires, legion style soldiers and phalangites) - I only voted for the later because I find them the most annoying (not really dangerous) but not really worth to hate:whip:

[IrishHitman]

Epirus is just feckin' pesky to me early on, as Romans or Makedonia.

[Ibrahim]

Saka rauka is a pain to fight against: them horse archers long distances, and the rarity of roads makes campaigning i their lands a nightmare. no fair!!:furious3:

[Cyrus]

Of course the AS. Man they are a real pain in the butt.sending unending staks into my steppes or mountains, backstabing and never running low on money or units.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Roma Victrix! 199BC and only 12 provinces left till I posses the known world. No enemy can stand up against my mighty legions!

On-Topic, I don't hate any faction theyre all great and unique. Well those Eburonum monster armies sometimes can be nasty, so I vote Eleutheroi.

Anybody any clarifaction on the yellow death? Seleucids trashed 'm on my campaign, until around 220, when I came along:smash: Or is it necessary to let them go on longer than till 200BC?:laugh4:

[lenin96]

I see. To be more specific, I mean which faction does make you mad and gives you a motive to sack their capital with your faction?:clown:

I should have read Maion's post before I voted, well now that I have I would probaly say Arche Seleukeia, because thay always annoy me if I play as Pontos,Hayasdan, Pahlava and Baktria.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Voted for Saba, because in my ongoing campaign I invaded their lands second time, and captured and sacked every city, many twice, and still they are not dead. You can't keep their lands so they always rebel again and spam you with their Apeleutheroi crap stacks. You can FD peace on them, but they won't mind it, they will go for Bostra again with their Apeleutheroi.

Second place is Romaioi. They are treacherous and annoying, but Italy is fairly easy to conquer for Makedonia. A Makedonian stack from the south, a Celtic stack from the north, and they are done. In my campaign they conquered Gaul and annihilated the Gallic factions, that's why they are now the Imperium Galloromanum. They didn't attack me now for ~10 years. They are really peaceful so I can afford just not to take care of them. A Casse invasion would please me though...

Lusitanians are really annoying to me at the moment too. I just can't stand any Scortamareva any more. Ptolemaioi and Arche Seleukeia both deserve an honourable mention as campaign killers.

[The Celtic Viking]

The Romani because they... are... just... so... annoying! The Qarthadastim are a very close second though, as they always, always, always, always, ALWAYS sends an army over and attacks me as soon as I take Tolosa. It doesn't matter that we're allies, it doesn't matter that we're both fighting the Romani, it doesn't matter that I've helped them a lot: as soon as I take Tolosa - but no earlier, mind you - they decide they must have it, even if that means backstabbing their most valuable friends, who's help they need to destroy their worst enemies. And it's not like they'll ever cut their losses either; no, they'll keep coming for that one settlement for as long as they exist and you have it. Stack after stack, all including those pesky elites, land all the time, and you just ask yourself why they didn't just do that against the Romans. They would've won without a contest that way. :shame:

It really gets old too quick.

[Antinous]

Arche Selukia is so stupid. They send thousands of little armies one after another to take cities. It gets so annoying, bcause entually your troops start to get low on soldiers bcase of all the attack.

[Jarardo]

Hmmm. I'd have to say none for me either. I've had a lot of fun fighting against most of them, or being them. Those gestetai(SP?) were a real hassle sometimes though!

Here's one of my favorite campaign. I never finished it, I got too big and then the next version came out.

I had some great fights against Epeiros, AS, Egypt, Dacia and eventually the Sweboz. Good fun campaign though.


https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i303/Jarardo/Map226bccopy.jpg

[Atraphoenix]

I do not hate but I can say that A.S. makes me mad, esp. in advised Difficulty she sends one army after another and in each turn end I count myself lucky if ı had less than 3 battles :furious3:

[julius_caesar_the_first]

For me the Ptolemaioi are the most annoying. The expand too quickly and kill diversity in that part of the world. I abandoned several campaigns when I saw that I would have to fight them for the next 50-60 years. I would just become instantly bored with my campaign.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I'm so glad the yellow death is the most hated in here. They seriously need to be nerfed

Why do so many people hate the Romans? They're the whole object of the Vanilla game, and easily the best faction around!

EDIT: @ Jarado - How did the Maks take over the central Arabian province (was there a town there originally in an earlier version of EB?) and how did the Carthies take the sub-saharan province (was there a town there too in an earlier version of EB?)
What version was this screenshot taken from?

[Βελισάριος]

Wow... I can't believe the Ptolemaioi are in the lead.
They never caused me any problems... admittedly, I only ever played in or around the Greek Peninsula but whenever I check AI progress with toggle_fow they just slowly collapse like a flan in the cupboard.

To me, Ptoemaioi are more like a benign MacBeth... Instead of "accept or we will attack" they should say "accept or we might attack... if we could"

[Zett]

They're the whole object of the Vanilla game, and easily the best faction around!


That's why! I dont like them because the remind me too much of Vanilla. Also they are needed for "March of Time", so you have to keep them alive. I hate babysitting these fake Greeks:furious3:.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

That's why! I dont like them because the remind me too much of Vanilla. Also they are needed for "March of Time", so you have to keep them alive. I hate babysitting these fake Greeks:furious3:.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam


VILE HEATHENS! :laugh4:

I'm just such a huge Roman history fan. Ideally though, I would love this game even better if it took on an Age of Empires/Empire Earth/Civilization feel (but with EB accuracy) and we could lead our factions from the Neolithic era onward. Then, I would play Egypt, Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenecians/Philistines, etc.

THAT, would be the best video game........
EVAR

[Βελισάριος]

...Also they are needed for "March of Time", so you have to keep them alive. I hate babysitting these fake Greeks:furious3:.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

You know... I wish I had read that part of the FAQ before I wiped the Romans out in 267 BC :wall:

Oh, and Tiberius... not to deny the immense impact that the Romas have had on history and modern culture. But they are not the best faction out there. They were just given special attention in the Vanilla because everybody seems to like them so much.

Besides, I have to say this again... cheap immitation of Greek culture. 'nuff said.

[antisocialmunky]

I don't really understand why Rome is bad from a gameply point of view other than the fact they try to invade Gaul 20 turns in. They have a unique fighting style and a interesting unit roster. They make for a funner end game than any of hte Hellenic factions.

[satalexton]

fun? you gotta be joking, their troops are only decent at best, a frontal charge with hetairoi can take out a quarter of a unit easy, their only effective spear unit are too few to be useful. Their only overwhelming advantage compared to the civilized factions is that their 'legions' are from WalMart.

But no, any self respecting hellenes would not wipe them out, it's better to slaughter them to the brink of extinction, leave them be for a decade or so, then slaughter them again. It give our citizens a sense of purpose and pride.

[Zett]

But no, any self respecting hellenes would not wipe them out, it's better to slaughter them to the brink of extinction, leave them be for a decade or so, then slaughter them again. It give our citizens a sense of purpose and pride.

Sorry, but the only way to deal with them is to erase them, completly. They are an insult for every true Hellen who lives on this world. We can and will never forgive them for what they have done to Greeks. The only thing we can do is to let the world forget that they ever had existed.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I think you Hellenic fanbois forget that a legend (brought to us by the Greek Homer's Illiad, no less, and Virgil's Aeneid) far older than that of Romulus an Remus is that Aeneas carried his father on his back and fled Troy and became the progenitor of the Romans.

You hate your own kind by detesting the far-superior Romans.

[Βελισάριος]

Let's not turn this into another "mine's bigger than yours" contest, shall we please?

[Cbvani]

Wal-Mart Legions still win through force of numbers. At least its not wal-mart Horse Archers, like the Saka.

[Zett]

Was Troy Greek? I thought they where a Hittite colony, but im not sure about this.


"The city is now seen by scholars as a tributary colony of the Hittites, who ruled Turkey at the time, rather than the Greek city depicted by Homer."
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-05-19-troy-film-vs-fact_x.htm

and about the Hettites (I know, wiki is a bad source, but coudn't find something better)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites


Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[Lysimachos]

Even if it was not a hettite colony, it can be said that the Trojans were most probably no greeks, neither ethnically nor culturally, although it is not absolutely clear to what extent the Achaians from Homer's Iliad are the same people as the classical greeks (keyword: dorian invasion/migration).
Even a bit more off-topic, but kind of related to this: I've read about an interesting theory that the people who actually founded Rome might have been related to celtic or germanic people, because a notable amount of the roman nobility is reported to have had blonde hair, in opposition to the prevalent hair colours in ancient Italy (well, and modern, I think ~;) ).

Disclaimer: I can name no reliable source, I don't claim to know the truth and I'm a historian only at opportunity ~:)

Edit: To get back to topic: If we understand the question more for which faction we like to play against the least, perhaps we get forward with this with a little less temper ~:)
I personally don't like to fight factions with a horse heavy unit roster. Infantry armies can be forced to a direct confrontation to resolve the mutual threatening much easier than evasive horse archers who don't care for a good, masculine melee combat.

[Marcus Ulpius]

For me it would be the Yellow Death or the Grey Death. After certain point they just get too strong and destroy everything on their way. I voted the Ptolies because they do it more often than the AS. But in any case after they become a superpower, you'll have to fight endless waves of phalanxes which eventually gets very boring. And those guys never stop and never accept peace, so you'll have to fight them forever until you win your campaign:furious3:

[rootje]

Totally agreed, while i've been fightin lusotans,gauls,greeks and carthagians for 80 gameyears, the ptollies have wiped out AS and basicly everything else in that region. Now the prize of my final victory against the greeks will be..an endless war with even more phalanxes,yeeeeeah :dizzy2::smash:

[HunGeneral]

Hmmm. I thought Troy was Greek and allied to the Hittites. But I can't be sure.

I believe Rome and the Greeks had a very interresting relation: the romans respected the greeks culture itself (think about it - most of there gods are copies of greek ones, they invented the myth of aeneas so they could connect themselfs to this ancient culture. For a long time the greek language was considered by them to be more ideal for science and cultural works, if I know right then Horatius was the first roman writer who didn't copy already existing greek styles)
At first they used hoplite style warfare until they realised that it isn't ideal for the landscape of Italia.
If we even consider it - most Hellenes were not actually "defeated" by the romans - in most cases hellenes called them in to help them against other hellenes. - battle of cinoshophale (spelling?): the greek "city-states" turned to Rome for help against the makedonians,
Magnesia: same case only against the Seleukids or more accuratly Antiochus III. There (or before it) the romans were supported by Pergamon an by the Rhodian fleet.
Egypt: the Ptolies were stuck in a conflict within the royal family and one "party" asked the romans to help secure the throne.

Althouhg I am a Hellenistic fan myself I cannot deny the later impact of the roman culture but I don't claim the romans where better in any way then the Hellenes - Alexander style Phalangite warfare was atleast as effective as Legion centered tactics. The romans mostly succeded because they could use the since long existent conflicts between the Diadochi kingdoms or other Hellenic states. In this case the "Divide et impera" worked perfectly.

Would the Romans have faced a united Hellenic empire worthy of beign the "heir" of Alexanders empire things might have gone differently - but I think no one could say for sure....

And now :focus: - I would like to clear (in case my last post didn't reflect it accuratly) that I voted on the Koinon Hellennon not because I find them anoying in game (or because they would cause problems) but beacuse I don't like the Idea they fight/stand for...

I also don't like the romans because I am forced to let them live... in most cases. But i sure fell more proud when defeating Marian legions then polybian or camilian.

Actually I can understand why so many complain about x faction spaming too many stacks of troops -but thats what there for, not to lay down and let us overrun them:whip: This can of course be frustrating - I know out of experience:yes: Just do not linger - the only result they will achieve is prospone there defeat and make your victories more glorious... and should something not go according to plan (like it has very often in my case) we can learn out of it:beam: (I hope:sweatdrop:)

By the way does anyone know a greek + a lain term for "I advise we destroy all our enemies in the end" ???

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

fun? you gotta be joking, their troops are only decent at best, a frontal charge with hetairoi can take out a quarter of a unit easy, their only effective spear unit are too few to be useful. Their only overwhelming advantage compared to the civilized factions is that their 'legions' are from WalMart.

But no, any self respecting hellenes would not wipe them out, it's better to slaughter them to the brink of extinction, leave them be for a decade or so, then slaughter them again. It give our citizens a sense of purpose and pride.

"The fortunes of the Roman Empire have sunk to their lowest ebb. For the armies of the East are dispersed in all directions, and because the Turks have over-spread, and gained command of all countries" -Anna Komnene- "The Alexiad"

The Seat of the Roman Empire is Constantinople, and he who is and remains Emperor of Constantinople is also Emperor of the whole Earth.
-George Trapezuntios to Sultan Mehmet the Conqueror.

It seems that the greeks also considered themselves romans after all. Like Hun General said romans/greeks had a very interesting relations. And as i´m not here to attack the deeds of mighty Hellenes neither should you try to reduce the accomplishments of better men.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Hmmm. I thought Troy was Greek and allied to the Hittites. But I can't be sure.

I believe Rome and the Greeks had a very interresting relation: the romans respected the greeks culture itself (think about it - most of there gods are copies of greek ones, they invented the myth of aeneas so they could connect themselfs to this ancient culture. For a long time the greek language was considered by them to be more idealf or science and cultural works, if I know right then Horatius was the first roman writer who didn't copy already existing greek styles)
At first they used hoplite style warfare until they realised that it isn't ideal for the landscape of Italia.
If we even consider it - most Hellenes were not actually "defeated" by the romans - in most cases hellenes called them in to help them against other hellenes. - battle of cinoshophale (spelling?): the greek "city-states" turned to Rome for help against the makedonians,
Magnesia: same case only against the Seleukids or more accuratly Antiochus III. There (or before it) the romans were supported by Pergamon an by the Rhodian fleet.
Egypt: the Ptolies were stuck in a conflict within the royal family and one "party" asked the romans to help secure the throne.

Althouhg I am a Hellenistic fan myself I cannot deny the later impact of the roman culture but I don't claim the romans where better in any way then the Hellenes - Alexander style Phalangite warfare was atleast as effective as Legion centered tactics. The romans mostly succeded because they could use the since long existent conflicts between the Diadochi kingdoms or other Hellenic states. In this case the "Divide et impera" worked perfectly.

Would the Romans have faced a united Hellenic empire worthy of beign the "heir" of Alexanders empire things might have gone differently - but I think no one could say for sure....

And now :focus: - I would like to clear (in case my last post didn't reflect it accuratly) that I voted on the Koinon Hellennon not because I find them anoying in game (or because they would cause problems) but beacuse I don't like the Idea they fight/stand for...

I also don't like the romans because I am forced to let them live... in most cases. But i sure fell more proud when defeating Marian legion then polybian or camilian.

Actually I can understand why so many complain about x faction spaming too many stacks of troops -but thats what there for, not to lay down and let us overrun them:whip: This can of course be frustrating - I know out of experience:yes: Just do not linger - the only result they will achieve is prospone there defeat and make your victories more glorious... and should something not go according to plan (like it has very often in my case) we can learn out of it:beam: (I hope:sweatdrop:)

By the way does anyone know a greek + a lain term for "I advise we destroy all our enemies in the end" ???

I agree with most of what you said, it´s both clear and polite statement. But i believe Alexander style Phalangite warfare was inferior to the legions mostly because of the legion´s greater mobility.
It´s supported by military historians that while a phalanks formation would, at first, defeat or at least keep at bay the legions´s first charge. The incoming second wave would attack any wavering or weakend position in the phalanks line and from such attack the general lack of mobility of the Phalangite would cause them no to be able to respond in time. See, that the tactics that i pointed out does not require flanking moves by cavalary or other troops. Please, understand that it´s not my intention to offend your point of view in anyway whatsoever.

[Zeibek]

Was Troy Greek? I thought they where a Hittite colony, but im not sure about this.

No-one knows for sure who the Trojans were, but AFAIK the most common assumption is that they were Luwian-speakers. The Luwian language, though related to Hittite, differs from it in many ways, and there's no evidence to suggest that the Trojans were part of the Hittite empire as opposed to being an independent state or perhaps a tributary of somesorts.

Edit: And on topic, the Romans, for all the reasons mentioned so far. I really hate having to tolerate them in order to trigger the "march of time" event. If it weren't for that I'd slaughter them as soon as possible as any faction possible. Even in my casse campaign I attacked Rome before Iberia just because nothing pleases me more than a heap of dead legions.

[A Very Super Market]

Phalangite warfare is based on one section of the army being completely static and capable of holding indefinitely, in addition to the more mobile flank infantry, and an extremely mobile cavalry wing. The phalangites that the Romans faced were devoid of supporting troops, and led poorly in comparism.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Phalangite warfare is based on one section of the army being completely static and capable of holding indefinitely, in addition to the more mobile flank infantry, and an extremely mobile cavalry wing. The phalangites that the Romans faced were devoid of supporting troops, and led poorly in comparism.


They had supporting troops and were led by Antiochos III Megas at the battle of Magnesia ad Sipylum. Anyway, i´m not saying that the Phalangite warfare is not efficient or good (The greeks once ruled the world with it therefore i´m not the one that will or can judge such greatness)

[Jarardo]

[QUOTE=EDIT: @ Jarado - How did the Maks take over the central Arabian province (was there a town there originally in an earlier version of EB?) and how did the Carthies take the sub-saharan province (was there a town there too in an earlier version of EB?)
What version was this screenshot taken from?[/QUOTE]

I was the Maks. I think there was one town to control that big Arabic peninsula, and same thing for the southwest desert. There was one town down there in the corner. I believe that was from version .72. Or something like that. .72a maybe. Best time I've ever had playing total war was in that campaign. ! Lots of challenging scenarios, and I learned a lot about Makedon and many other civilizations! Which is awesome.

[HunGeneral]

But i believe Alexander style Phalangite warfare was inferior to the legions mostly because of the legion´s greater mobility.
It´s supported by military historians that while a phalanks formation would, at first, defeat or at least keep at bay the legions´s first charge. The incoming second wave would attack any wavering or weakend position in the phalanks line and from such attack the general lack of mobility of the Phalangite would cause them no to be able to respond in time. See, that the tactics that i pointed out does not require flanking moves by cavalary or other troops.

Theres lots of truth in what youre saying - as much as I know historians are still debating about the classical question of "Makedonian Phalanx vs. Roman Legion". (I think we shopuldn't start one here in the forums - I remember when I once participated in something similar on TWC ... it seemed it would never end:sweatdrop:) I would only add a few things: youre very right about the legion beeing more mobile in battle and the romans could turn the battle so that there advantiges would be deciding.
However what also influenced the outcome of these battles was the weakness the Hellenic kingdoms were suffering as a consiquence of there constant wars between eachother. The fact that they used the Phalanx very differently from what it was designed for and as stated earlier by A Very Super Market they lacked enough effective support troops - or when they had some they were used wrong. There were many, many reasons that played a role in the battles...


Please, understand that it´s not my intention to offend your point of view in anyway whatsoever.

I see nothing in your post which could sound offending. Your just stating you thoughts and point of view - everyone has the right for it and you even had some good arguments to support your statement.:thumbsup:

[Βελισάριος]

You know what? Put your pilum where your mouth is... forget about all this fruitless discussion.
To tell you the truth I've had enough of this ceasless debate. I keep getting messages in my inbox that X has said this and Y has said that and no one's willing to concede a point.

Enough is enough. If you want to settle this point, let's have a tournament online in EB, legion vs. phalanx and silence this argument.

[HunGeneral]

Enough is enough. If you want to settle this point, let's have a tournament online in EB, legion vs. phalanx and silence this argument.

I agree on that one - too much has already been debated, let soldiers and weapons decide!!!:idea2:

[Marcus Ulpius]

I won't be surprised that in EB the average phalanx will beat average legion. If I remember right the Romans used rough terrain to disrupt phalanx formation. In RTW it's impossible - phalanx will keep formation on any terrain. Once I fought phalanx in forest and it still kept the tight rectangular formation. In my M ak campaign I was able to defeat much better units just using my levy phalanx.

[antisocialmunky]

The phalanx is going to win with proper support. You might be able to win by deploying in the checkerboard and having the front guys defend so the phalanx can't bring 100% of its points to bare. Then you can win on the flanks. You'll still probably die of course unless you're using Augustian units but you'll still probably die.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

You know what? Put your pilum where your mouth is... forget about all this fruitless discussion.
To tell you the truth I've had enough of this ceasless debate. I keep getting messages in my inbox that X has said this and Y has said that and no one's willing to concede a point.

Enough is enough. If you want to settle this point, let's have a tournament online in EB, legion vs. phalanx and silence this argument.

I agree do forget the discussion. :yes: As for the online tournament, i´m afraid the RTW engine will not be able to accurately represent the battles.

[Βελισάριος]

Right, why am I not surprised? The moment an actual challenge appears, everyone's "Yeah, but, still, but, you know, but... blablabla"

I say we organise this tournament and, historically accurate or not, at least we'll give everyone the chance to settle their differences on the battlefield.

[SwebozGaztiz]

Well like Maion said, the faction i hate the most are the romani, hahaha i dont know everytime i have to engage in a war with them its just nice sometimes it can be a pain in the ass but still i enjoy sacking rome everytime i have a chance :2thumbsup::smash:

[Mister V]

I usually hate everyone around me when I play a campaign. And if I suddenly start feeling that some faction is "nice to me", they attack. So I hate everyone except the faction I play.
However... there's one I've always hated. It's been there since vanilla. In every mod, in every campaign, they're there, they're pesky and get on my nerves. I hate them - not with a passion which burns brightly but quickly dies out as soon as its object is destroyed, no, with a hatred that smolders like peat and runs deep, yet not deep enough to be forgotten...
Yes, the rebels/eleutheroi. I enslave them all :whip:

[Dutchhoplite]

I voted Eleutheroi. May their cities burn and their sheep raped eaten!

[The historian]

Well Romani i hate to fight them i have to make sure to let them live a while and their damn legions don't have to much weaknesses, Arche Selucia and ptollemaioi come a close second i guess the poll will be filled with votes for this 3 factions.
In a recent quiet game with the sarumantoe while drinking a nice vine from a seleukid skull:smash: i received a message that Gordu Neuri has been taken by some dudes called SPQR they came out of nowhere in the middle of Byelorussia . Weird thing is on my map nearest roman town was Vindobona While i apreciate them marching 2000 km to fight me in person they pissed me off.:skull:

[SwissBarbar]

Very interesting that no one hates the Getai, Baktria or the Hay. 3 culturally completely different factions, but all no "classical empires" like the Romans or the Seleucids.

[Mooks]

Nah I love the Getai. So fun to fight every game. They dont hide behind huge 20 ft poles or deploy mass skirmishers. They get up close and personell and usually have a nice mix of troops who dont run away so easily.

[richardfburton]

I had voted for the Romani, but my current campaign with the Arche Seleukia has revealed to incredibly irritating factions. The Pahlava are proving to be a thorn in my side, with my mainly infantry based armies suffering a major mauling, without my general getting the impressed by cataphracts trait to make matters worse. To make matters worse the Kart-Hadastim have just launched a campaign into Egypt which has caught me unprepared. They have an elite stack, but I have just assembled an army that will hopefully drive them all the way back to where they came from. Why can't they focus on killing the damn Romani though!

[Dayve]

I just don't understand why people hate the Romani so much. All they ever did was the same thing as other nations... Conquer, enslave, use shady tactics and lie so they could go to war for more land and money.

I can think of several nations today that do the exact same thing and yet are loved by everybody except those they're currently lying to remain at war with.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

I just don't understand why people hate the Romani so much. All they ever did was the same thing as other nations... Conquer, enslave, use shady tactics and lie so they could go to war for more land and money.

I can think of several nations today that do the exact same thing and yet are loved by everybody except those they're currently lying to remain at war with.

I beleive most of the people here a mentioning withc faction they hate to play against in the game. Look Ptole, Seleucids and Romani are the one that topped the pool as they´re the ones that further conquer in the game. Gainst the Romani, there´s the march of time issue also

[Silence Hunter]

I do not hate any of the factions, but I do not like to fight hundreds of monotonic battles. This is why I do not like Ptolemaioi/AS (whichever eats the other) if they get too strong. This is why I tend to do what Rome did and keep the power balance, though I'm only doing this if I'm playing either of the civilized Mediteranean powers.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Rome owned all those lazy arses in the Mediterranean and conquered the civilized world and beyond with their legions. You're just envious that your pet factions never got beyond their own petty struggles :clown:.

[Βελισάριος]

Rome owned all those lazy arses in the Mediterranean and conquered the civilized world and beyond with their legions. You're just envious that your pet factions never got beyond their own petty struggles :clown:.

This coming from a guy who calls himself "King of the Greeks"... in Greek, no less.
What is this world coming to?

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Well even the Greeks called themselves "Romans" after some time :clown:.

[antisocialmunky]

To be fair, everyone else was calling them Greeks.

[delablake]

Smash Ptolemaism!
Ugly inbred boy-loving swines from the Nile! Vile usurpers and cunning double-speaking traitors! Heathen assassins and child-molesting bastards! May the levins of Iuppiter Feretrius fry the Yellow Pigs! The mighty legions of the Sons of Mars will crush you!!! :smg:

[Maion Maroneios]

Well even the Greeks called themselves "Romans" after some time :clown:.
Those weren't exactly Greeks, those were the ruling class of the Byzantine Empire, who were still Romans in any way you see it. I mean, they had direct ties with emperors and the like. But it's true they only did this typically, as they called their empire 'Vasilia ton Romeon', or 'Kingdom of the Romans'. And it was in Greek they wrote and spoke, so they considered themselves Greek by a large.


To be fair, everyone else was calling them Greeks.
:yes:


Smash Ptolemaism!
Ugly inbred boy-loving swines from the Nile! Vile usurpers and cunning double-speaking traitors! Heathen assassins and child-molesting bastards! May the levins of Iuppiter Feretrius fry the Yellow Pigs! The mighty legions of the Sons of Mars will crush you!!! :smg:
Ha, you call the Ptolemaioi heathens, you fish-smelling, crooked-nosed, unmoral dogs? Who organizes huge orgies with all kinds of participants in Capua (and not only there)? Who has a collection in their arsenal of pots depicting male 'boys' making love to each other? Now be quiet as the dogs you are and obey your rightful Hellenic masters instead of barking and biting us:evil2:

Maion

[Dayve]

I beleive most of the people here a mentioning withc faction they hate to play against in the game. Look Ptole, Seleucids and Romani are the one that topped the pool as they´re the ones that further conquer in the game. Gainst the Romani, there´s the march of time issue also

Nah, because Rome is among the easiest factions to defeat, right up there with the Aedui and Averni, and pretty much every other faction that doesn't have phalanx units as the core of their battle line.

People here seem to have a very strong bias against the Romans which carries over to the game, but i really see nothing the Romans did that was different to any other faction... all others were as barbaric as Rome, and Rome just as barbaric as them. The only difference was that Rome conquered more land than any of the others and held it for a lot longer, and i'm just saying i see a lot of nations today who tell the exact same lies and export the exact same propaganda in the exact same way Rome did to achieve the exact same goals as Rome back in the day did... Namely to defeat "enemies" (which Rome created and brought on themselves more often than not) and install puppet governments or control directly to gain political and military dominance in a certain region that has strategical or economic value.

And the only people who complain are those being defeated... the rest buy the propaganda and support them.

After that rant, i feel i should at least contribute to the actual topic of the thread. My most hated faction are the Seleukids, because everytime i play as a nation that shares a border with them they simply will NOT leave me alone for any period of time. Even when i absolutely kick their asses back to the stone age, like when i play as Pahlava, they still refuse to give me any peace for even the shortest time. Sometimes i get a little bored of battles and just want to manage my lands and invest time into developing a promising character, but the Seleukids just won't allow it... endless, endless warfare until they defeat me or i defeat them.

Damnit i once played a game as the Hayasdan and i just could NOT defeat them no matter what i tried. I reached a high point where i was making 3000 a turn and had a decent army... they whittled it down to nothing with their endless stacks of Misthophoroi Pezhetairoi until eventually i had nothing left. I went for one final push and sacked Seleukia, but by this time i had 1 city left with less than 500 population, was over 50,000 in debt, had no army left and no troops to hold Seleukia, which was besieged by yet another Seleukid army of mercenaries with my faction leader and faction heir inside, with absolutely no hope of winning... so i quit.

I effing hate the Seleukids.

[seienchin]

Romans are the fastest stackspammer there is in EB and its a pain in the ass cause italia is so small compared to the number of cities. I got nightmares from my first campain against the romans cause the time I conquered all of italy in like 50 battles they just invaded germany and continued to spawn troops from there, except that they had no more legionaries so I had to fight countless battles against rorarii and celt units romans...:furious3::furious3::furious3:
As a macedonian ruler I just conquered everything except for the north and couldnt play one turn without fighting romans and seleuks in the east. A pain in the... :furious3:
And I hate the f****** Triarii cause they have higher armour stats than any KH Hoplite so they just dont die if you fight them with greeks...

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Nah, because Rome is among the easiest factions to defeat, right up there with the Aedui and Averni, and pretty much every other faction that doesn't have phalanx units as the core of their battle line.

People here seem to have a very strong bias against the Romans which carries over to the game, but i really see nothing the Romans did that was different to any other faction... all others were as barbaric as Rome, and Rome just as barbaric as them. The only difference was that Rome conquered more land than any of the others and held it for a lot longer, and i'm just saying i see a lot of nations today who tell the exact same lies and export the exact same propaganda in the exact same way Rome did to achieve the exact same goals as Rome back in the day did... Namely to defeat "enemies" (which Rome created and brought on themselves more often than not) and install puppet governments or control directly to gain political and military dominance in a certain region that has strategical or economic value.

And the only people who complain are those being defeated... the rest buy the propaganda and support them.

After that rant, i feel i should at least contribute to the actual topic of the thread. My most hated faction are the Seleukids, because everytime i play as a nation that shares a border with them they simply will NOT leave me alone for any period of time. Even when i absolutely kick their asses back to the stone age, like when i play as Pahlava, they still refuse to give me any peace for even the shortest time. Sometimes i get a little bored of battles and just want to manage my lands and invest time into developing a promising character, but the Seleukids just won't allow it... endless, endless warfare until they defeat me or i defeat them.

Damnit i once played a game as the Hayasdan and i just could NOT defeat them no matter what i tried. I reached a high point where i was making 3000 a turn and had a decent army... they whittled it down to nothing with their endless stacks of Misthophoroi Pezhetairoi until eventually i had nothing left. I went for one final push and sacked Seleukia, but by this time i had 1 city left with less than 500 population, was over 50,000 in debt, had no army left and no troops to hold Seleukia, which was besieged by yet another Seleukid army of mercenaries with my faction leader and faction heir inside, with absolutely no hope of winning... so i quit.

I effing hate the Seleukids.

I don´t know man, of course, there´re ones that hate the romans as there´re ones that hate other factions but as far as i´ve seen in this post most of people gave their explanation on why they hate the faction X. And usually is the fact that some factions like the ones that topped the pool tend to expand to much and in many cases turn a cool campaign in a boring one. I tend to beleive that most peoples like the romani as weel as most people like the hellenes, i, for myself, really like them both.

[Lucio Domicio Aureliano]

Romans are the fastest stackspammer there is in EB and its a pain in the ass cause italia is so small compared to the number of cities. I got nightmares from my first campain against the romans cause the time I conquered all of italy in like 50 battles they just invaded germany and continued to spawn troops from there, except that they had no more legionaries so I had to fight countless battles against rorarii and celt units romans...:furious3::furious3::furious3:
As a macedonian ruler I just conquered everything except for the north and couldnt play one turn without fighting romans and seleuks in the east. A pain in the... :furious3:
And I hate the f****** Triarii cause they have higher armour stats than any KH Hoplite so they just dont die if you fight them with greeks...

i have the same problem when i face the seleucids, both with the romans and macedonians. Not to mention that any war is a war to end all wars therefore it´s even more unpleasant when you have to fight 50 province factions.:wall:

[Cute Wolf]

romani are easy to defeat depending on your luck...

If they didn't expand much in first 20 years, they will be swept away by Epeiros, or barbarians....

[seienchin]

romani are easy to defeat depending on your luck...

If they didn't expand much in first 20 years, they will be swept away by Epeiros, or barbarians....

But most times you have to wait for the romans to get your Reforms. Especialy as KH you need the reforms. So you must wari...^^

By the way I think factions, who are about to be defeated get per script huge Boni, so in one Campain of mine Epeirus had just Tarent left, but then defeated the Romans, who held over 16 cities in just 11 years... :help:

[satalexton]

waiting for their silly reforms was one thing, fighting several full stacks of vigiles every turn made me hate those roman scum even more.

[BurningEGO]

The Nation i hate the most? Saka Rauka... Damned bastards spawning countless horse archers... and good normal cavalry too. Near the end of the world, where training facilities are hard to come by, these guys are nasty.

[Chloe]

The Eleutheroi, they were annoying. They had troops as good as mine, it was like fighting weird clones of my armies.:dizzy2:

[soup_alex]

Perhaps the Romani as they're a gang of double-crossing b*stards, although my battles with them have always gone very well for me.

Perhaps the Lusotanni(?) as they know I won't break my alliance with them while already at war with Rome and the African independents, though they tempt me by leaving pathetic garrisons on our borders while their armies sort out the remaining juicy free cities in Northern Hispania (and I know they won't hesitate to kick me out of Iberia when it suits them; building up mines before walls and barracks is probably too risky given the quality and quantity of garrison troops I can muster locally).

Perhaps even Ptolemaioi, though I've never seen them in the field. They seem eager to expand westward, even while at war with Arche Seleukia and Sab'yn. Are their phalangites really so fearsome?

[Antinous]

I would say the AS are the most annoying, because of the thousands odd little armies of the same people that caome again and AGAIN.

[Blxz]

Without a doubt the Carthaginians are the worst of the lot!

With towns on different islands they cannot be taken out with an unsupported army, you need to ferry them about with boats everywhere which is a terrible drain on a new game treasury if playing as Epirus, Rome or the Lustan's. They are also far apart with quite a bit of damn desert travelling which is time consuming and if you are not focussed can leave them the chance to duck around behind you to seige a city. Finally, Carthage and Aticca(spelling??) can be huge damn cities that even if fully exterminated can still be a black hole in terms of garrisoning and public order.

Carthies are definately the worst. AND at the time I write this they are in second place, glad so many people agree. Only 1 more vote till they even first place as the most hated.

BTW, I love the Romans, maybe that makes me a bit biased towards these scum who question Rome's rule of Sicily....

[Macilrille]

I hate them ALL, they shall ALL be defeated, their cities sacked, their citizens sold as slaves or killed, their lands colonised. Roma Imperator!!!

In fact I hate the way the AI plays them all, not the factions themselves.

*Kicks the AI*

[seienchin]

Without a doubt the Carthaginians are the worst of the lot!

With towns on different islands they cannot be taken out with an unsupported army, you need to ferry them about with boats everywhere which is a terrible drain on a new game treasury if playing as Epirus, Rome or the Lustan's. They are also far apart with quite a bit of damn desert travelling which is time consuming and if you are not focussed can leave them the chance to duck around behind you to seige a city. Finally, Carthage and Aticca(spelling??) can be huge damn cities that even if fully exterminated can still be a black hole in terms of garrisoning and public order.

Carthies are definately the worst. AND at the time I write this they are in second place, glad so many people agree. Only 1 more vote till they even first place as the most hated.

BTW, I love the Romans, maybe that makes me a bit biased towards these scum who question Rome's rule of Sicily....

Sorry but the Karthagenians only got 6 votes...
The Romans are the second most hated faction...:2thumbsup:
But I personally hate them more than the Ptollmaeoi. I mean how can you hate a faction wich important cities are all next to the sea :egypt:

[Βελισάριος]

Actually, the Romans are third (still can't believe it), the Seleuks second and... Ptolemaioi clearly in the lead. Why, seriously... why?

And, apparently, no one hates Baktria but the AI.

[machinor]

That's no surprise. How could any sane person ever hate Baktria. It's maybe the most awesome faction in terms of style and uniqueness.

[seienchin]

Really`??
They only have like 3 own units... I mean the Indian troops everybody can recruit right??
But anyway I like them too

[theoldbelgian]

and the greek horse archers, they are a mix of indians,greeks,HA and persians how can you not love that

[Ibrahim]

and the greek horse archers, they are a mix of indians,greeks,HA and persians how can you not love that

I don't-no cantabrian circle. (I didn't check to see if it is in EB 1.2 though):shame:

Oh well.:laugh4:

[seienchin]

and the greek horse archers, they are a mix of indians,greeks,HA and persians how can you not love that
Slow, no circle, armour not that good, not too good archers can only be recruited in 3 provinces...
But they are strong in close combat.:2thumbsup:
I play bactria at the moment, but these archers are hard to handle...

[Faramir D'Andunie]

Romani, because it is annoying to have to rely on them to get reforms going.

[theoldbelgian]

Slow, no circle, armour not that good, not too good archers can only be recruited in 3 provinces...
But they are strong in close combat.:2thumbsup:
I play bactria at the moment, but these archers are hard to handle...

really Ive been using a mix of caths and HA and dahae riders to nearly completely inhialate the saka and now i am killing of pahlavans

[BurningEGO]

Actually, the Romans are third (still can't believe it), the Seleuks second and... Ptolemaioi clearly in the lead. Why, seriously... why?

And, apparently, no one hates Baktria but the AI.

I am here wondering as well why Egypt is so hated. I mean, they are easy to play and easy to beat. They dont even spam that many units like crazy Romans do.

[Maion Maroneios]

Because of the Yellow Fever of course people.

Maion

[satalexton]

>_> I'm playing a yellow fever campaign right now...mmm sister-loves...*runs away*

[Angry-Angel]

Actually the green death, epeiros. -> In the first turn of my Mac -Campain their king attacked my capital with this army and rams the doors with his elephants :furious3:
So it was a hard way to kick them out of hellas

[Zett]

Actually the green death, epeiros. -> In the first turn of my Mac -Campain their king attacked my capital with this army and rams the doors with his elephants :furious3:
So it was a hard way to kick them out of hellas

Recruit a unit of Akontistai at Pella in your first turn, that will kill these Elephants and force Phyrros to retreat. After that he mostly attacks Dalminion and you have some time bevore he comes back.

BTW Romani have now the same score like the Silver Death again.:cheerleader:

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[A Very Super Market]

The Ptolemaioi are still far in the lead though. And for good reason. The only times when they haven't taken over half the world are when I've played as AS. And that's when I abandon the East and move basically everything to africa

[Βελισάριος]

It's actually pretty exciting to see whether the Romans have as many votes as Arche... don't think they'll be in the lead anymore.
I'm surprised that Carthage has so few "haters" to tell you the truth. They're the only other faction aside from the Romans who have an "easy" starting position.

[Edit: Whee, 100th post!]

[Antinous]

I am surprised that Arche isn't hated as much.(Congrats Burebista)