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Colovion
02-10-2009, 03:03
So what'll you be buying? The Standard package or the Special Unit Version?
I'm split on this one, as I don't want to buy the standard version and find I'm missing out on key elements of the game. On the other hand, I don't know it it would be worth it to buy it and find that the special units are really not that important or, alternately, are so overpowered that I'd begin wondering how I'd get along without them.
It seems as if the Special Unit Version is akin to the Collectors Edition of other games where you get a little extra. It might come down to deciding two things at once: DVD or Steam, where DVD I'd spring for the Bonus units and Steam I'd get just the standard copy. But I still need to do more soul searching, heh.
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Belgolas
02-10-2009, 05:05
Well I am buying both lol. The standard for my guest comp and the special forces for my main comp. I can't simply miss out on this. I love the total war franchise so I will support them as much as possible. Even if that means 20 bucks more for 6 extra units( I really wished it was 12 one for each faction :( )
Sheogorath
02-10-2009, 05:16
ESPECIALLY considering that THREE of the special units are for one faction.
No thanks. I'm getting standard. You have to have to buy off Steam for the Special Forces anyway...to get it for a decent price, anyway (if you buy it in a pack with regular ETW it's onl $10)
wheres the collectors edition option, ive pre ordered my little box and my hip flask and my compass! HELL YES!
Fisherking
02-10-2009, 09:26
For those of us in Europe it is less expensive to preorder the Special Forces Edition from Play.com or perhaps one of the others, than to buy the regular edition from Steam…and get a special unit…
When M2TW was released I received my copy at 09:00 on release day! I can’t complain about that.
I could get it a little cheaper if I ordered from Amazon UK but I would rather have the ship than the Amazons. It doesn’t coast much more to get the extras from them. It is actually less than going down to a shop and picking up the regular edition for us on the Continent.
Ituralde
02-10-2009, 11:37
Yeah, I preordered from Play.com as well. You don't pay more than you would pay for other games at release. And I don't care much for the extra units, but I do care about the map and such that is included in the Special Forces Edition.
Polemists
02-10-2009, 11:42
Special Forces edition is only being sold in europe at this point far as I can tell.
Amazon.co.uk
or
Play.com
Will ship to both on the 4th.
If you live in states you get in on 3rd but Amazon.com does not have a special forces edition up yet, so I dunno.:whip:
Sir Beane
02-10-2009, 11:48
I'm getting Special Forces from Play.com. It's only £35 to pre-order it, which is more or less as much as a normal game goes for over here.
The map is what I want, and the reason I'm getting a DVD copy. The Special Units seem interesting, thought it's a shame there are not more of them.
pdoyle007
02-10-2009, 12:10
It is the same price from Amazon but the release date says 27th March, I though both versions came out on the 3rd/4th?
I would go for the speical unit version, even if you hate the fact that 3 units are for one factor imagine the joy of crushing them
Sir Beane
02-10-2009, 12:11
It is the same price from Amazon but the release date says 27th March, I though both versions came out on the 3rd/4th?
I would go for the speical unit version, even if you hate the fact that 3 units are for one factor imagine the joy of crushing them
I think Amazon have just made a mistake. Also I should know this but which faction is it that gets three of the Special Units?
Polemists
02-10-2009, 12:16
For those of you in US or other countries waiting.
When the game goes gold (next week going by past trends) then they will probably post up a special edition to.
Fisherking
02-10-2009, 12:59
I think Amazon have just made a mistake. Also I should know this but which faction is it that gets three of the Special Units?
The Ghoorkas, HMS Victory, and Roger’s Rangers all belonged to one faction.
Can you guess which one?
:laugh4:
CountArach
02-10-2009, 13:21
The Ghoorkas, HMS Victory, and Roger’s Rangers all belonged to one faction.
Can you guess which one?
:laugh4:
Mysore?
standard edition it is for med (but i am whating for the demo before making the pre-purchase
Fisherking
02-10-2009, 13:28
Mysore?
yoursore What? :devilish:
u can get all 3 editions in Aus, cant believe nobody besides me is getting the collectors edition! hehe
Polemists
02-10-2009, 14:13
Actually I don't think collector's edition has been announced yet though it has been mentioned once or twice.
Again, when game goes gold next week I expect a annoucnement on types of editions you can get and where you can get them (America, Europe , Aus , etc).
Till then it's all just pre order jargon as no one has anything.
Fisherking
02-10-2009, 14:23
Actually I don't think collector's edition has been announced yet though it has been mentioned once or twice.
Again, when game goes gold next week I expect a annoucnement on types of editions you can get and where you can get them (America, Europe , Aus , etc).
Till then it's all just pre order jargon as no one has anything.
I searched it!
It was for sale on one site for $69.99
Six SF units , map, & Art Book "The Art of Empire: Total War“
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=73290
And the bigger model for big bucks…$139.95
http://www.ebgames.com.au/PC/product.cfm?ID=13712
Ship master’s wooden box
Stainless steel flask
Nautical compass
.
SpencerH
02-10-2009, 14:37
"Gold editions" are fine, if you want to pay more for a map, a figurine, or whatever, that's your business. OTOH the whole idea of a "special unit edition" that costs 40% more than the standard version is bogus and should be boycotted. Incremental game versions is a bad idea for us and for the game companies.
Sir Beane
02-10-2009, 14:44
I searched it!
It was for sale on one site for $69.99
Six SF units , map, & Art Book "The Art of Empire: Total War“
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=73290
And the bigger model for big bucks…$139.95
http://www.ebgames.com.au/PC/product.cfm?ID=13712
Ship master’s wooden box
Stainless steel flask
Nautical compass
.
Wow! If only I had the money to buy something like that. The compass and flask look great.
Polemists
02-10-2009, 15:09
It looks awesome, and I would buy it, but sadly collector's editions never ship to my part of the world....so sad....but so true.
I'm lucky games ship here at all :laugh4:
Fisherking
02-10-2009, 15:14
As some of us have pointed out. It is cheaper to buy the SF English Edition than it is to download the standard edition.
It is also much cheaper to buy the English version than a German version by about €20.00. And again that is the SF vs. the Regular. I get the SF for €48 or if I buy it here it costs me €70 for the Regular…
On line it is about 20% more expensive to buy the SF than the Regular and not 40%. And that is no map.
The collectors editions are likely put to gather with the vendors either selecting options or having the items prepared as added content themselves.
As much as some may dislike it, it is just marketing, plane and simple. Not buying it our boycotting it is not going to change anything but sails figures.
If it were going to add more content for less money I would be right there with you, but I don’t think that it would make a difference.
I don’t need a flask or compos. I wont miss an art book.
I will take extra units. Seven not six for €10. They will make money on the extra time for the extra units and that is great.
Others want the tip top most elite version possible and are willing to pay for it. It is their money and their choice.
I don’t see CA ripping us off. I see Sega trying new marketing tactics.
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And if anyone needs to know what would go into that flask, I would recommend Stroh 80.
It is a fortified Austrian Rum Spirit, and at 80% (160 proof) is also the best thing I have found for a Grog! Bar-none…
Pursers Rum! Baah! This is much better…
Polemists
02-10-2009, 15:20
Yes, and some of us can only order standard edition from amazon or download it from steam...because it is a cruel...cruel....silence....leaving me here on my ownnnnn....okay I'm done. :laugh4:
I do hope amazon will put up special edition soon though. :2thumbsup:
Fisherking
02-10-2009, 15:39
Yes, and some of us can only order standard edition from amazon or download it from steam...because it is a cruel...cruel....silence....leaving me here on my ownnnnn....okay I'm done. :laugh4:
I do hope amazon will put up special edition soon though. :2thumbsup:
So you can't get it from Amazon.co.uk? And no one else ships to there?
And I know you can't get STROH 80... :no:
Man, I am so sorry! You may have to wait untill that R&R...:thumbsdown:
I know now why you want that Demo so much!
Polemists
02-10-2009, 16:05
Amazon.co.uk only ships to the European states, Aka (Not where I am)
Amazon.com ships to where I am, but they only ship the basic version of Empire Total War.
I can download it from steam, but 15 gigs at 20-30kb/s gonna be pretty darn slow, let's be honest.
I can only hope Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk get together and have tea at some point :laugh4:
"Gold editions" are fine, if you want to pay more for a map, a figurine, or whatever, that's your business. OTOH the whole idea of a "special unit edition" that costs 40% more than the standard version is bogus and should be boycotted. Incremental game versions is a bad idea for us and for the game companies.
I concur. I too will not buy the SF version, not out of disinterest, but of principle. Well, OK, the map would be nice but the special units are not terribly exciting.
But then again, since I'm not even going to buy the game on release (can't run it, in fact), I might as well wait to see if the extra units are available elsewhere or through modding. My approach here is to wait, read a lot of reviews, upgrade my rig eventually, see what others are saying, play the demo and then decide if the quality of the game warrants a purchase. Being that I didn't like RTW/M2TW, I'm cautious...
SpencerH
02-10-2009, 17:27
As some of us have pointed out. It is cheaper to buy the SF English Edition than it is to download the standard edition.
It is also much cheaper to buy the English version than a German version by about €20.00. And again that is the SF vs. the Regular. I get the SF for €48 or if I buy it here it costs me €70 for the Regular…
On line it is about 20% more expensive to buy the SF than the Regular and not 40%. And that is no map.
So the brits get a special price, for them it makes sense. For the rest of us, ie the majority of the sales, the online SF version is $70 and the standard is $50. 20/50 is 40% more expensive than the standard version.
As much as some may dislike it, it is just marketing, plane and simple. Not buying it our boycotting it is not going to change anything but sails figures.......
And effects on sales figures is what causes executive "bean-counters" to take notice. I believe that the online activities by those players who were disgusted with M2TW was eventually noted by the bean-counters" and that in turn had beneficial effects for the direction and development of ETW.
.....I don’t see CA ripping us off. I see Sega trying new marketing tactics.
I didnt suggest that CA was ripping anyone off, I just think that a tiered game price is foolish. Why should the Brits get them for free and everyone else pay out much more? Does anyone want to guess how quickly the units will be freely available as "mods" - less than 24hours? How many players will pay extra to SEGA for something freely available to others? What will SEGA's attitude then be? There will be gnashing of teeth, cries of piracy, and bad feelings all around.
IMO, this is an idea that was not well thought out.
Sir Beane
02-10-2009, 17:40
So the brits get a special price, for them it makes sense. For the rest of us, ie the majority of the sales, the online SF version is $70 and the standard is $50. 20/50 is 40% more expensive than the standard version.
It isn't just Britain. Play.com is not an exclusive British store, anyone can order from them.
And effects on sales figures is what causes executive "bean-counters" to take notice. I believe that the online activities by those players who were disgusted with M2TW was eventually noted by the bean-counters" and that in turn had beneficial effects for the direction and development of ETW.
Bean-counters will indeed take notice of poor sales of a Special Forces edition. Rather than deciding to add more content into the next one they will probably just decided to not make one at all however. Boycotting sends a message, but not a very clear one. You might be saying 'we want more content', you might be saying 'we want to pay less' or you might be saying 'I really hate Special Editions'. Sega has no way of knowing which message you were trying to get across. Of course you're perfectly within your rights not to purchase the Special Forces Edition, I'm just saying that it's unlikely to inform marketing decisions.
I didnt suggest that CA was ripping anyone off, I just think that a tiered game price is foolish. Why should the Brits get them for free and everyone else pay out much more? Does anyone want to guess how quickly the units will be freely available as "mods" - less than 24hours? How many players will pay extra to SEGA for something freely available to others? What will SEGA's attitude then be? There will be gnashing of teeth, cries of piracy, and bad feelings all around.
IMO, this is an idea that was not well thought out.
If $70 is the price for the SF edition where you are then you aren't paying much more for it than people ordering it from Play.com. Games in Britain tend to be more expensive than elsewhere due to VAT so $70 for a game is actually the standard price over here. If I remember correctly GTAIV and several other new PC releases are upwards of $80 for the standard game.
I'm buying the Special Forces edition for the map and not for the units. So pirates will find it much harder to make that available online for free. :2thumbsup: Personally I will take pride in the fact I got my extra content legally, and helped support CA.
Fookison
02-10-2009, 18:44
I was able to pre-order the Special Forces Edition from EB Games in Canada last week ($69.99 cdn). Now for the wait........
Emperor of Graal
02-10-2009, 18:50
Well I'm going to get standard unless something changes my mind
Collectors Edition with the 6 in-game extra units. Wish I coulda gotten the Amazons also. I don't expect them to be anything special, just something different. Generally buy the Collectors Editions as I usually enjoy the extras. Sides, I'm an old fart who can afford it. :clown:
SpencerH
02-10-2009, 21:54
Just to be clear, I'm definitely not advocating a boycott. I just think this tiered system is a mistake that will lead to unecessary conflict.
If these units improve, or are part of, the game shouldnt they be included in the price?
collectors edition avaliable with
1 hip flask
1 nautical compass
1 wooden box of some sort
1 map
6 special units
and i think there mite be something else
130$ AUD from EB - ONLY PLACE IN AUS THAT HAS IT, they got it exclusively so they didnt have to price match. and its actually 140 unless u get the 10$ discount for preordering.
CountArach
02-11-2009, 00:55
A hip flask hey? Now there's an added bonus I can drink to!
Special Unit most likely, but only because(and as long as, haven't ordered yet) it costs the same or even less from the UK as the standard edition costs here. ~D
$20 extra US dollars for 6 units? Uh, no thanks. Don't get fancy ass deals in assbackwards Australia (where the game was made no less...)
Fisherking
02-12-2009, 11:11
$20 extra US dollars for 6 units? Uh, no thanks. Don't get fancy ass deals in assbackwards Australia (where the game was made no less...)
Nope! It is made in the UK this time...the home office.
there is a branch in the down under though...they did give us M2TW
Freedom Onanist
02-12-2009, 15:44
Getting mine form the other TW forum (not sure if i am allowed to mention them here?) and their mini site on Amazon. Ordered the special forces on becasue it was only £35 and I had £11 left on a gift voucher, so it was the same price as the normal issue (£24.00).
Sir Beane
02-12-2009, 16:12
Getting mine form the other TW forum (not sure if i am allowed to mention them here?) and their mini site on Amazon. Ordered the special forces on becasue it was only £35 and I had £11 left on a gift voucher, so it was the same price as the normal issue (£24.00).
You can mention as many other forums as you like, we don't mind. :2thumbsup:
Freedom Onanist
02-12-2009, 17:17
You can mention as many other forums as you like, we don't mind. :2thumbsup:In which cae I will. I got the special forces one form the TWCenter shop in/on(?) Amazon. Which incidentally, has some really well priced Osprey books.
Well, I just ordered the Special Forces version.
Only because it was the same price as the standard version though.
Polemists
02-14-2009, 12:04
Amazon still only has the basic (Amazon.com not amazon.co.uk.)
Hopefully once it goes gold more of the online shops will have it :2thumbsup:
Will it matter what version you get in terms of mod accessibility?
pevergreen
02-15-2009, 02:39
No, as far as I can tell, the only difference is the extra units.
I am in the United States and I will be getting the Collectors addition. I want Rodgers rangers, it is after all how States actualy beat the French in the French and Indian war. I already pre-orderd while do not get a fancy flask and compass. I will still get the map of course and the 6 units. No one listens to me when I say we have the special forces addition out on lunch in the USA:furious3:
Polemists
02-15-2009, 09:17
Hey if anyone has a link to a store that is not Eb games, Gamestop, or amazon.co.uk, I am all ears and will be happy to click said link and go buy SF or CE.
Until I see that though, I'm stuck with standard.
theseus1234
02-15-2009, 23:45
i remember hearing this from TWC, is that you can complete certain requirements and get the same units with the special version, like the irish french unit can be unlocked by having a certian tech an controlling ireland (DURK-DUUURG :dizzy2:) so i really see no need to purchase a version that is just a slightly spiced up original, and the original can be made "special" with modding
ThePianist
02-16-2009, 02:26
To be honest, the special unit version sounds like crooking. No game, usually, has cost (yes that is the correct participle, without -ed) more than $50. Charging that much more for a few units is not only unusual, but way too much. And because this is happening, it also leads me to have apprehensions about the quality of the actual game.
pevergreen
02-16-2009, 07:29
Hey if anyone has a link to a store that is not Eb games, Gamestop, or amazon.co.uk, I am all ears and will be happy to click said link and go buy SF or CE.
Until I see that though, I'm stuck with standard.
steam.
Polemists
02-16-2009, 07:43
Funny pever, funny :P
If anyone has a link that I can get a boxed copy and not spend 2 years downloading that is not the aforementioned shops.
I'd apprecaite it :)
The Hound
02-16-2009, 16:42
What annoys me is the way that different stores have versions with different special units. So not only do you have to pay more to get them, you still can't get a single comprehensive version.
Schiltrom
02-16-2009, 18:22
Standard. I want to play as Prussia (I feel an affinity to the Germans) and I don't want the Brits sending Victories, Gurkhas and Rogers at me just when I think I'm the greatest ever superpower. I'll stick with death's head hussars thanks.
Standard. $20 for 6 units is steep -- I'll hang onto the money until they put out an expansion.
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