Irony - Muslim TV Boss Beheads Wife

[Crazed Rabbit]

Irony in Buffalo: (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html)


Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV (http://www.bridgestv.com/mission.asp), which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.


Authorities say Aasiya Hassan recently had filed for divorce from her husband.

"She had an order of protection that had him out of the home as of Friday the 6th [of February]," Benz said.


Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband -- an influential member of the local Muslim community -- reported her death to police Thursday.

:shame:

CR

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Crap man, a representative for bridge TV spoke at my college freshman year.

[Fragony]

Sorry for finding this rather amusing

[Devastatin Dave]

Gee, I'm shocked I tell ya...


Everybody jump out of the way for the coming "Islam is a peaceful religion" crowd...

[Strike For The South]

Because good Christians never murdered anyone.

[Devastatin Dave]

Because good Christians never murdered anyone.

Forgive my lack of understanding that Christains have been beheading people left and right for the past 6 or seven years and video taping it for the world to see...

[Strike For The South]

Forgive my lack of understanding that Christains have been beheading people left and right for the past 6 or seven years and video taping it for the world to see...

Im fully aware that that there is a large number of muslims who would be more than happy to chop my head off but building your case around a man who launched a TV channel for money isnt a very good one.

Even crazy barbarians like money.

[Fragony]

but building your case around a man who launched a TV channel for money isnt a very good one.

There is a 99% probability that he built it with funding from craving leftist organisations.

[Strike For The South]

There is a 99% probability that he built it with funding from craving leftist organisations.

=more profit.

[Fragony]

=more profit.

Of course, it are these leftist organisations that look like a fool right now.

[Husar]

Forgive my lack of understanding that Christains have been beheading people left and right for the past 6 or seven years and video taping it for the world to see...

So only beheading is bad then?
When you wear an army badge, carry a gun and rape a woman in front of her family while your buddies stand around outside then that's patriotic I guess.
Also the pablo you described in another thread usually has the same religion you do in case you never noticed, some people say that christianity is a lot more widesprad in illegal immigrants land than in patriotic freedom land.

Yet when muslims are criminals it's the religion but when mexicans are criminals it's their culture or something, as long as it's nothing that you have as well, you're fine, eh?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Its about irony, guys.

Irony.

CR

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So only beheading is bad then?
When you wear an army badge, carry a gun and rape a woman in front of her family while your buddies stand around outside then that's patriotic I guess.

But did they do that because a priest told them to? Are they even necessarily Christian? Do we in the West encourage that?

There is your answer.

[Husar]

But did they do that because a priest told them to? Are they even necessarily Christian? Do we in the West encourage that?

There is your answer.

So do we encourage abortion in the west? :mellow:

[KukriKhan]

Me? I'm just sad that like "trillion", which we've somehow gotten used to saying/typing lately, "beheading", likewise, is now part of everyday conversation, with little of the revulsion or horror or stupefication we would have harbored toward either word, 10 years ago.

Frog in a frying pan, man. Frog in a frying pan...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So do we encourage abortion in the west? :mellow:

Some, unfortunately, do. However, as much as I disagree with abortion in all cases but complete necessity, it seems strange to equate it to a man cutting another man's head off and filming it in the name of Allah, so I really don't see how your point relates.

[ajaxfetish]

Me? I'm just sad that like "trillion", which we've somehow gotten used to saying/typing lately, "beheading", likewise, is now part of everyday conversation, with little of the revulsion or horror or stupefication we would have harbored toward either word, 10 years ago.

Frog in a frying pan, man. Frog in a frying pan...
Of course, a few hundred years ago, we thought of beheading as more of a spectator sport, followed by putting the head on display for all to see.

Ajax

[KukriKhan]

Of course, a few hundred years ago, we thought of beheading as more of a spectator sport, followed by putting the head on display for all to see.

Ajax

So that stuff we used to call "progress" and "civilization" = just a fart in the wind; a pipe dream; a chimera; an unattainable goal?

I rest my case. Frog, fryingpan.

[Devastatin Dave]

Its about irony, guys.

Irony.

CR

Kind of like its ironic that we're talking about someone eho's a muslim that launches a TV station dedicated to peaceful Islam, then beheads his wfe, THEN people on the this board jump on the Christians. Yes, irony...
Again, I don't believe in fairy tales rather it be Jebus or Peaceful Muhammed. Its just in this period of time I'm a little more worried about the group of folks that will convert me with the sword than the ones going door to door giving me a piece of paper telling me I'm going to hell unless I bath in somebodies blood and chew on his skin.:laugh4:

[KukriKhan]

Kind of like its ironic that we're talking about someone eho's a muslim that launches a TV station dedicated to peaceful Islam, then beheads his wfe, THEN people on the this board jump on the Christians. Yes, irony...
Again, I don't believe in fairy tales rather it be Jebus or Peaceful Muhammed. Its just in this period of time I'm a little more worried about the group of folks that will convert me with the sword than the ones going door to door giving me a piece of paper telling me I'm going to hell unless I bath in somebodies blood and chew on his skin.:laugh4:

Yeah, man. Like all... umm

erm...

uhhhh

zero

of the people on this board. (In this thread, anyway).

I know. Them guys suxorz.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Yeah, man. Like all... umm

erm...

uhhhh

zero

of the people on this board. (In this thread, anyway).

I know. Them guys suxorz.

It has already happened at least once. And it will happen again once more people get up and check the .ORG with the morning coffee.

[Devastatin Dave]

Yeah, man. Like all... umm

erm...

uhhhh

zero

of the people on this board. (In this thread, anyway).

I know. Them guys suxorz.

Kukri, what did you lose first as you advanced to such a delicate age? Was it your vision or your ability to, well you know. I'm getting to that point and was just wondering...

Did you not read Strikes or Husar's post?

Anyway, I don't want to hijack my esteemed fellow Orga CR. If this thread's topic is about irony please fell free to write something about irony, like the resident troll asking everyone to get back on topic of the thread... ironic...:2thumbsup:

[KukriKhan]

Kukri, what did you lose first as you advanced to such a delicate age? Was it your vision or your ability to, well you know. I'm getting to that point and was just wondering...

Did you not read Strikes or Husar's post?

Anyway, I don't want to hijack my esteemed fellow Orga CR. If this thread's topic is about irony please fell free to write something about irony, like the resident troll asking everyone to get back on topic of the thread... ironic...:2thumbsup:

LOL

ROFL

Laugh Out Loud.

Roll on floor Laughing.

You take SFTS and Husar as examples of lefty, commie, pinko coddling support of some beheading dude?

LOL

ROFL

Laugh.... you get the idea.

Oh. And to answer your worry: first the eyes, then the teeth, then....

or so I've read.
:laugh4:

[Devastatin Dave]

LOL

ROFL

Laugh Out Loud.

Roll on floor Laughing.

You take SFTS and Husar as examples of lefty, commie, pinko coddling support of some beheading dude?

LOL

ROFL

Laugh.... you get the idea.

Oh. And to answer your worry: first the eyes, then the teeth, then....

or so I've read.
:laugh4:

Did you not get your nap today or has your warm milk night cap gone sour. Could you please wuote me to where I said "left", "commie", or "pinko" please. I love ya Kukri, but its time to go back inside, take off the bathrob and stop yelling at the neighborhood kids to get off your lawn!!!:laugh4:

[KukriKhan]

Did you not get your nap today or has your warm milk night cap gone sour. Could you please wuote me to where I said "left", "commie", or "pinko" please. I love ya Kukri, but its time to go back inside, take off the bathrob and stop yelling at the neighborhood kids to get off your lawn!!!:laugh4:

Dang kids don't mind me anyway. I mean look: I even open the bathrobe to form a more intimidatin' figger. Nuttin'.

Grass gettin' trampled with NO FRIKKIN regard to the days and hours spent on-the-knees-finger-planting, then nurturing, watering, (I ain't afraid to admit): talkin' to the poor plant... encouraging it to grow.

Wut t'heck wood you do?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Dang kids don't mind me anyway. I mean look: I even open the bathrobe to form a more intimidatin' figger. Nuttin'.


Wut t'heck wood you do?

Please tell me that was unintentional. :laugh4:

[Devastatin Dave]

Dang kids don't mind me anyway. I mean look: I even open the bathrobe to form a more intimidatin' figger. Nuttin'.

Grass gettin' trampled with NO FRIKKIN regard to the days and hours spent on-the-knees-finger-planting, then nurturing, watering, (I ain't afraid to admit): talkin' to the poor plant... encouraging it to grow.

Wut t'heck wood you do?

I eat a lot of fiber and self fertilise my lawn in broad daylight. This has two effects:
1) My lawn is very green.
2) The damn kids stay off my lawn!!!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I eat a lot of fiber and self fertilise my lawn in broad daylight. This has two effects:
1) My lawn is very green.
2) The damn kids stay off my lawn!!!

Dave:

With you, I'm only 95% certain this is a joke. There really is the off chance that.....:laugh4:

[KukriKhan]

I eat a lot of fiber and self fertilise my lawn in broad daylight. This has two effects:
1) My lawn is very green.
2) The damn kids stay off my lawn!!!

:furiously writing down notes to self:

:laugh4:

[Devastatin Dave]

Dave:

With you, I'm only 95% certain this is a joke. There really is the off chance that.....:laugh4:

Of course its a joke, I have a fence, atleast to keep the kids out.:laugh4:

[Strike For The South]

Im a communist now? I always wanted to be a tool!

Dave Ill admit this was a little funny. Taller than you but thats not saying much ~;)

[CountArach]

There is a 99% probability that he built it with funding from craving leftist organisations.
Oh come on, how can anyone honestly say you aren't just trolling?

[Fragony]

Oh come on, how can anyone honestly say you aren't just trolling?

Wanna bet? I haven't looked it up mind you. Guess they once again didn't find the one.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wanna bet? I haven't looked it up mind you. Guess they once again didn't find the one.

If you haven't looked it up, then you probably ARE trolling. I wonder if you're trolling to get others riled up....or yourself? :inquisitive:

[Husar]

Let me try to say it in a different way:

There are countries that have made progress, there are people who like that progress and there are people who do not.
The west has made progress towards less restrictions on society and less punishment, we do not support beheadings, flogging, torture etc anymore but we also have become less restrictive on sex, alcohol and some other things the morals of old looked down upon.
Now some people complain that the eastern countries have not all come to abolish beheadings etc. while they also complain that here we have made progress where they do not want it, like gay rights etc. For other people all that is good progress, they're called pinko leftists.
Obviously for those in the east all that is bad progress, they're called terrorists.
And then as I said certain people are in the middle and say that one should take sides, for example on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. :rolleyes:

So, are you on the progressive pinko liberal side or on the non-progressive terrorist side or are you in the middle, complaining about both and being too lazy to pick a side because you have no real values? :mellow:

[Major Robert Dump]

Why are they only charging him with 2nd degree murder?????

I'm guessing for it to be 1st degree there has to be 14 male witnesses

[Fragony]

If you haven't looked it up, then you probably ARE trolling. I wonder if you're trolling to get others riled up....or yourself? :inquisitive:

There's no need to look it up; if they get invited to speak at universities, fat chance. Thread is called irony I would say that a leftist organisation for multicultural promotion ending up with their champion cutting of his wives head pretty ironic. And pretty damn funny.

[Crazed Rabbit]

He, the beheader, also got an award from CAIR (The council for American Islamic Relations):

https://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6857/20090213cairbridgesawarcf9.jpg

CR

[Fragony]

Almost too funny, let me guess he was also a much invited guest in talkshows as an commentator

[Husar]

What I didn't get from the OP, has he been proven guilty already or is it guilty until proven innocent now? :inquisitive:

[Crazed Rabbit]

What I didn't get from the OP, has he been proven guilty already or is it guilty until proven innocent now? :inquisitive:

I believe he, Mr. Beheader, was the one who called police.

So while he is innocent until proven guilty, I'm not going to bother saying 'allegedly beheaded'.

CR

[Idaho]

I can't believe I beat Fragony to this one :laugh4:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7894721.stm?lss


Both Mr Hassan and his wife worked at Bridges TV, a station aimed at countering stereotypes of Muslims. :sweatdrop:

[Fragony]

Last week just called you forgot your lunch :bow:

[Hooahguy]

irony.....

[Idaho]

Oh...

I blame 3 things:

1 - The BBC being late with the story
2 - Crazed Rabbit using a crap thread title
3 - George Bush

[InsaneApache]

Don't forget that tosspot Gordon Brown. :bow:

[Fragony]

It's ok we aren't angry, just a little dissapointed.

[drone]

Oh...

I blame 3 things:

1 - The BBC being late with the story
2 - Crazed Rabbit using a crap thread title
3 - George Bush

Don't forget Lemur's Disease. :yes:

[Papewaio]

BTW is it correct he is only being charged with second degree murder?

Surely you have to be fairly intent on killing someone to behead them?

[Hosakawa Tito]

Here's today's article from the Buffalo News: Possible Honor Killing (http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html)

I don't know why he's only been charged with 2nd degree murder. However, they have no murder weapon or confession or evidence that they are releasing that the husband did the deed, yet. If and when they do the charges can always be changed.

[Fragony]

possible huh

[Major Robert Dump]

It's not 1st degree because there were no male witnesses and judging by the way she showed her ankles and face, she was asking for it.

[InsaneApache]

Plus her testimony would only be half of his but now that there's less of her it's truncated to 5 /16ths.

[Romanus]

It's not 1st degree because there were no male witnesses and judging by the way she showed her ankles and face, she was asking for it.

Don't forget the divorce. I mean even to contemplate such a thing. She didn't deserve anything less.:saint:


~D

[rasoforos]

Amazing how you guys made a frontroom thread out of this :freak:

[KukriKhan]

You lot are horrible.




















:laugh4:

[Adrian II]

Seems Mr Hassan got most of his money from Wahhabi investors in the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. No lefties in sight. Which once more illustates my point that IA never, ever gets anything right. Nor does Fragony. I am beginning to believe that they do this intentionally to humour me and brighten my working days, which is greatly appreciated. :bow:

[Fragony]

Seems Mr Hassan got most of his money from Wahhabi investors in the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. No lefties in sight. Which once more illustates my point that IA never, ever gets anything right. Nor does Fragony. I am beginning to believe that they do this intentionally to humour me and brighten my working days, which is greatly appreciated. :bow:

That was that remaining 1% :bow:

[Hosakawa Tito]

We listened to radio station WBEN 930 am, Buffalo NY today at work, and the afternoon host, Sandy Beach, had his talk show program on this incident. A man called who claimed his wife was a friend and work colleague with the slain woman and was familiar with her personal life. This was the husband's 3rd marriage, and he is a control freak. He severely beat his wife on at least two occasions, and she had run away from him to South Africa and Pakistan to stay with family members. They were having money problems and were going through a divorce. He wasn't considered very religious though the victim was. The friends opinion is that this wasn't about religion, but the act of an angry irrational control freak, and that he may use extremist fundamentalist religious views to explain away why he did it.


BTW is it correct he is only being charged with second degree murder?

Surely you have to be fairly intent on killing someone to behead them?

There are 13 conditions that constitute murder 1st degree in NYS. As gruesome as it is, beheading by itself, isn't one of them. Why? Probably because intentional beheading is quite rare in this country. However, if they can prove this was premeditated or a torture killing the charges can be changed to murder 1. Read it here. NY Penal Law Section 125.27 (http://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN0125.27_125.27.html)

[Productivity]

Why on earth is the religious line being driven here? Abusive spouses kill their partners all the time and it's horrific if it's a muslim, an atheist, a christian, a buddhist or anyother religion you can find - the nature of the killing is probably more a cultural thing, an American will shoot (they like guns), an Australian will batter, no idea what a european will do and someone from a background where swords and knives are a big part (ie. the middle east) will probably go for a beheading - I don't see how it makes it any more or less horrific than another incident of a domestic homicide.

Unless there's clear evidence that an Imam or other religious figure told this guy that he must behead is wife, it's a long bow to directly link it to Islam. He's an abusive spouse, not a jihadist. I'm guessing that there isn't a chain of these incidents occuring otherwise no doubt DD, Fragony and co. would have frantically mashed out another 100 posts.


That rant aside, I hope they throw everything they can at him. Domestic violence is one of the most disgusting crimes one can commit. If you can't be in a relationship with someone, break up, don't kill them.

[Hosakawa Tito]

The premise of this thread is the irony of the accused becoming the stereotype that he went into business to disprove. Truth or not the perception is out there. From extremist groups posting videos of the act to reports of Arab governments cutting off the hands of thieves and Afghan clans killing female members for the crime of getting raped. How prevalent is this stuff? I have no idea, one only hears of the extreme and outrageous incidents. Just like school shootings in the US it probably appears to be more common place than it actually is, but without widespread and immediate comdemnation of the act by the Islam majority it gives the unintended perception of being culturally & religiously acceptable.

[Don Corleone]

I guess I'm a commie, lefty pinko too Dave. I don't see a radical muslim taking over, I see a fat pantload that killed his wife. Put him up next to Scott Peterson and tell me the difference?

I know! Scott Peterson also killed his 9month old kid in the process!

[Fragony]

I don't see a radical muslim taking over, I see a fat pantload that killed his wife.

killed and beheaded his wife.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8648

The murder and beheading of Aasiya Zubair Hassan transcends the issue of domestic violence that ends tragically. There is more to this story that must be told, if not for the sake of the victim, for the sake of future victims and for the sake of our Western culture. Her death must not be allowed to be in vain, confined to some generic statistic limited under the sole classification of domestic violence. The murder of the young, energetic Aasiya Hassan could serve a greater purpose if the tragic details of her life and death are not permitted to be constrained by political correctness, or oppressed by fear of being labeled as Islamophobic.

yep

Also according to this source, Mr. Hassan told police that because she was beheaded, she would not be permitted entry into paradise, an alleged reference to his Islamic beliefs

[Productivity]

It's domestic violence. If it's a beheading, a shooting, a beating, poisoning or any other form of murder is not particularly relevant (unless there was significant torture in which case I'd argue there should be further charges).

If chargers werne't be pressed you can say they were taking over. If the ****s in question were found not guilty because of religous reasons you could say they were taking over. If they were beheading other peoples wives (taliban style) you could say they are taking over. They aren't. The fact that they are being charged with no special consideration shows that they are not taking over at all, that they are being dealt with as any other criminal is.

To treat this as anything other than a tragic domestic violence issue is to allow exactly what you fear - a two tiered legal system.

[Adrian II]

Okay, let's go over this one more time. What we have here (certainly since every would-be defender of Islam put in his two cents) is dramatic irony.


dra-ma-tic i⋅ro⋅ny
The dramatic effect achieved by leading an audience to understand an incongruity between a situation and the accompanying speeches, while the characters in the play remain unaware of the incongruity.Mind you, in this case part of the audience (and that includes everyone who thinks this case has nothing to do with a certain organised religion) is also unaware of it. Which makes it even funnier.

[Fragony]

To treat this as anything other than a tragic domestic violence issue is to allow exactly what you fear - a two tiered legal system.

I can absolutely see the logic here, but sadly in this works exactly the other way around we want to explain when these things happen with a western mindset, we are putting ourselves on trial. It should be treated no differently, I couldn't agree more, now let's stop trying to give it a place (and thus a voice) as well.

Man AdrianII are you becomming wise with age lately. Sometimes I get the feeling we are actually in perfect agreement.

[Adrian II]

Man AdrianII are you becomming wise with age lately. Sometimes I get the feeling we are actually in perfect agreement.Yeah, except we disagree about
the nature of islamism
the role of the Left
just about everything else

[Fragony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWea8Trf0L0

[Adrian II]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWea8Trf0L0Is that an example of this so-called pop music I keep hearing about? How .. interesting.

[Strike For The South]

I never said it never had anything to do with Islam, Im just saying Islam isn't the problem. A book can never be the problem.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

the nature of islamism


Islam or Islamism? ~;)

[Adrian II]

Islam or Islamism? ~;)What it says: islamism.

Fragony denies that it is a serious threat; I think it is, even though it is waning (I, too, appreciate Kepel). Fragony thinks it is anti-western; I think it is an internal struggle for the soul of Islam. Fragony thinks is it medieval in nature; I think it is a thoroughly modern phenomenon.

[Strike For The South]

As long as we have our pair of clogs here I have a question.

My sociology professor said that Rotterdamm and Amsterdam were expected to be more than 50% muslim here very soon.

As a country that doesn't have much of an immigration history especially when dealing with a culture this different (even without the terrorism) do you think this will change Holland?

Can a brown man be a Dutchman? Or more importantly will the Dutch accept a large number of these men even if they assimilate?

Will the population disparity happen that quickly? Or do you think its all demographic poppycock?

Coming from Texas I have been told the Mexicans were going to overtake the whites and rape our women. As was my father and my grandfather. It hasn't happened yet. Granted it is a different situation but alarmism is alarmism.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

My two cents:



As a country that doesn't have much of an immigration history especially when dealing with a culture this different (even without the terrorism) do you think this will change Holland?

Most certainly.


Can a brown man be a Dutchman?

Yes. Whether you define Dutch as an ethnic group or a nationality, he can be Dutch. I don't think there is any sort of precondition saying you must be white to be Dutch.


Or more importantly will the Dutch accept a large number of these men even if they assimilate?

Most probably won't assimilate, at least not in the first few generations, in my opinion. The Dutch shouldn't accept a large number of immigrants from anywhere (be it Germany, the USA, or Somalia - only those necessary should be allowed to come, and in my opinion these groups should at least partially assimilate), but whether they will is another matter altogether.


Will the population disparity happen that quickly?

Might, might not.


What it says: islamism.

Fragony denies that it is a serious threat; I think it is, even though it is waning (I, too, appreciate Kepel). Fragony thinks it is anti-western; I think it is an internal struggle for the soul of Islam. Fragony thinks is it medieval in nature; I think it is a thoroughly modern phenomenon.

Thank you for the clarifying edit, I now understand your viewpoint. :bow:

[Fragony]

Fragony denies that it is a serious threat; I think it is

It's kinda funny that you say so, that has got to confuse some people

[Adrian II]

My sociology professor said that Rotterdam and Amsterdam were expected to be more than 50% muslim here very soon. Muslim? Or just migrant? Rotterdam and Amsterdam already have a migrant majority and it is growing. A recent prognosis for Rotterdam is 57% by the year 2017. But muslims, I don't know - most of them probably are muslims in some way or other. It isn't surveyed, afaik. Country of origin is often used as a rough measure for religojn, but that is a useless criterium. Syria for instance counts as a mulsim country, but most Syrians in The Nethelands are Christians.
As a country that doesn't have much of an immigration history especially when dealing with a culture this different (even without the terrorism) do you think this will change Holland?It already has, as it did during previous waves of immigration. We are as much a migrant nationas you are. But islam is not 'a culture'. Muslims in The Neds hail from a variety of cultures.
Can a brown man be a Dutchman?Do bears crap in the woods? C'mon, what question is that?

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