Cavalry Archers or Foot Archers ?

[Draksen]

If we omit the price difference between these
two units, should I use standard archers or cavalry archers ?

Is the cavalry archer better for melee fighting than the foot archers ?
(exept vs yaris in general of course...)

Thanks for answers.

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[Hosakawa Tito]

I find for the price to prefer foot archers.
They can also be used in melee against yari,
especially against ashiguru.Cav archers have their uses too as scouts and can kick foot archers butt in melee,but against other units in melee they had better have flanked or gotten behind them or they are dead meat.
I like cav archers speed though and they make good rout chasers.From what I've read on these forums Magyar Khan is the master with these units.Maybe playing against him we could pick up a few pointers,if we're not too busy running for our lives! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Tito

[OUT4BLOOD]

Well u obviously aint played vs a good CA player, wanna try magy or even me? . The key is to not fire at other missile troops coz if u do u will be outshot. Flank the enemy (if neccissary) to get to his wm and no-dachi who fall like dead flies vs CA, also yari cav aint a good counter 2 Ca as a good general will see then and rush back to safety of his melee troops , but SA have their uses as well

[Draksen]

OUT4BLOOD san,
"Well u obviously aint played vs a good CA player, wanna try magy or even me?"
I'm not a good player.
But I'm now a real STW fan, and just want to learn.

Hosakawa Tito san,
"From what I've read on these forums Magyar Khan is the master with these units."
It remembers me Mongol/Mangudai tactics in AOK...


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[theforce]

Out4blood is right. When defending have a YC unit to kill CA. In Totomi l like to send some CA behind the enemy. Monks and no-dashi are an easy target. You also make the enemy units tired while trying to catch up with your YC.

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[Magyar Khan]

they are equal, but what they have in advantage differs

[Draksen]

Magyar Khan-san,

Do you mean that you can create ONLY
cavalry archers for your army and that they have almost the same effect on ennemy ?

And later in the game, use ONLY cavalry archers as standard archery unit ?

When I play against a human opponent, when I see CA, it's always the same problem :
How can I kill them ?
YA / YS : they will use a hit and run tactic ...
Are the "standard archers" the ONLY solution against CA?


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Yesterday I had a match with Out4.

He had 2 CA. I had no fast unit..... He continued to sting me with them and then when I tried to fire at him with musks but with his fortunate ass he had no casualities.

Then he attacked my musks with his CA. Now, Out4 you said they kick No-Dachi and monks, well after a charge from the former his CA routed...

After this he moved some shock troops, I move them as well and we engaged in battle. My infantry troops were doing well and we were in a tight battle but then he charged with the CA as well and they kicked me and have me the final blow. With my musks I couldn't fight h-t-h, suicide.

I think that if there was no CA that killed my troops before and during actual battle things would have come different and probably a great battle. Also, if I had some YC I would counter-attack them but I hadn't.

Anywaym, CA have this great advantage- speed but have disadvantaged that they are mounted and sucepetble to even YA and I prefer musks as missiles than them. But their speed if used well is vv.good. And the wolves excel in this...

For me SA and CA offer basically the same missile quality but in terms of melee and speed CA are my favourite.

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[Whitey]

as units they cannot compare 1 on 1 because they have two completely different roles...you cannot substitute one for the other

[Magyar Khan]

nice to see that one of our finest wolf uses the ca in a proper way. i use 4 in my regular army, i think 1-3 would be better, but i love to run around with them.archers can sustain better musketfire than the horses. spears are better against the horses. as o4b stated horses can easily run around and chase fleeing units.

and so there are more advantages for both sides. still they are well balanced by the gamebuilders

[Hosakawa Tito]

I would like to see cavalry archers be able to fire on the run,maybe make them less accurate than when standing still.Wouldn't that be more realistic,not to mention deadly?
I can just picture Magyar Kahn and OUT4BLOOD
baring their teeth and drooling over that possibility! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Tito

[BanzaiZAP]

Terazawa:
Surely you didn't commit all your forces in that H2H assault? Didn't you keep any reserves? Even a lone ashigaru unit will keep them from attacking with the CA. And if you're cycling the front line, you can use those fresh ashi later in the H2H, while a yari unit is resting up and watching your back at the same time. Even a tired yari will make a CA think twice. One ashigaru is definitely worth one cavalry archer!

If he micromanages, trying to nibble your unit away at a distance, that means A) he's sufficiently distracted from the main fight,
and B) his archers are focused on your ashis, so they're ripe for a YC charge.

On the other hand, it's easy for me to say, since I haven't met either of them online yet....

-- B)

[This message has been edited by BanzaiZAP (edited 01-03-2001).]

[Doragon_Ajidrik]

I use SA since I dont know how to use the CA properly during online play.But in SP, if I play Takeda, then I use CA a lot due to the Takeda discount and since no one else has any horses.