View Full Version : Screenshots: The Trade
To shorten the wait, i will do each day a short compendium in screens to different themes.
See this as addition to Ituraldes Posts - all screens are taken from a DVD of the german "Gamestar".
First today: The Trade
For Trade you have to sign a treaty (diplomacy menu -> Trade agreement) and must have a direct connection to your trade partner(s) by land (streets) or sea (trade routes).
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3131613536323664.jpgHolding the cursor on the road or sea route shows the income and availability of trade partners on this specific route.
Here the sea route ...
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_6538323539383162.jpgAnd the land route ...
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3165343835326431.jpgHere shown is a coal mine in Birmingham. You can see the trade income and the world market prices for special goods. For example: Destroying some sugar plantations in New Spain will result in heavy impact on the world market. So the prize will rise, also your earnings from own plantations. So colonizing and / or occupying colonies is very important for trade income.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_6536363439633966.jpgOr you can try to develope some kind of monopoly by building up a fur industry like here in "Rupert's Land".
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3963333832633338.jpgThe trade theatre on the coast of Brazil: Here you see the trade fleet (2 Indiaman and 4 escorts) in the trade theatre.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3339316232343965.jpgYou "park" your trade fleet on free slots. Easy so far...
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3634343561393236.jpgUnit card of the Indiaman:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3866313164323636.jpgInterested in how to get there? Let's try India: Sail to the south-west end of the europe map and enter the transition zone:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3635633862353130.jpgOn the travel destination panel you choose the trade theatre or continent:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_6439373166313532.jpgSome turns later you enter the coastline of India:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_3732356137653330.jpgAnd the reviwer finally conquered Mysore:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/56/1884556/1440_6566393266323636.jpg
That's it for today. Tomorrow i will show some screens from the campaign he played in the review. Hope it is at least somehow interesting ...:sweatdrop:
Sir Beane
02-26-2009, 00:16
Excellent info Marten! :2thumbsup:
Thats the first time I've ever seen a trade theatre, interesting stuff.
quadalpha
02-26-2009, 00:24
Nice. Does that really say "moose factory"?
(+ im(rep))
Sir Beane
02-26-2009, 00:25
Nice. Does that really say "moose factory"?
(+ im(rep))
Best town name ever :2thumbsup:.
For all those wondering if this is a copyright infringement
These are screenshots taken from a movie on a DVD. I would say that taking screenshots is akin to quoting extracts from an article word for word. So long as the whole video is not posted I don't think there is a copyright issue. This isn't really the same as magazine scans because you cannot possibly get the full content of the movie just by reading this thread, you would still have to buy it.
That's my take on this anyway, and Marten did recieve my permission post these so if there is a problem I take full responsibility.
sassbarman
02-26-2009, 00:42
some interesting pics! don't want to be a naysayer but from the last screenshot it looks as though a very small british force was able to sail half way around the world and take a region capitol. hope the a.i. is better this time around.
A Very Super Market
02-26-2009, 01:01
Well.... they did do that in real life anyways. And nowhere do I see a small force. I don't even see any force, really.
Alexander the Adequate
02-26-2009, 01:09
It's not the region capital for everybody, you choose which city will be your capital for that region.
The reviewer just happend to capture that city as his first, and boom, now it's his region capital by default.
Greyblades
02-26-2009, 01:44
For a British based company CA is realy giving alot of the more interesting info to German magasines.:inquisitive: Didnt we get our first look at the Campaign map from a German mag too?
A Very Super Market
02-26-2009, 01:52
Y'know, the Germans always make good stuff.
Y'know, the Germans always make good stuff.
https://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x301/swcsalha/cantdothisallday.jpg
Nice shots! Interesting stuff, really answers a lot of questions I had on the trade theatre thing.
Greyblades
02-26-2009, 02:21
I dont get it...
Megas Methuselah
02-26-2009, 02:25
Heh heh, he was that awesome salesman on all the Shamwow commercials. Good stuff.
I dont get it...
It's an infomercial here in the states, the guy uses the line "Made in Germany, you know the german's make good stuff" To try and convince people at home to buy his product.
Megas Methuselah
02-26-2009, 02:45
Yeah, his fervor even spread up north to Canada. :rolleyes:
A Very Super Market
02-26-2009, 02:54
Oh god, I'm so sorry for derailing this thread.
He also sells the SLAP-CHOP.
You're gonna love his nuts...
Megas Methuselah
02-26-2009, 02:59
Yeah, I was seriously thinking about ordering that thing. Might make life easier while cutting up those eye-watering onions, by God.
Owen Glyndwr
02-26-2009, 03:30
My favorite parts from his two infomercials:
In Shamwow:
"Alright, we're going to do this in real-time...you following me camera guy?"
In Slapchop:
While holding an old dicer "Look at this, you can't clean this! Throws the dicer over his shoulder into a sink where it lands with a very loud crash
Haha, that guy gets me every time, I think he could sell anything. He probably could even have sold the stimulus package to the republicans!
On a more serious and less off-topic note, that is great stuff!
I really like the trade theatre stuff, I'm really looking forward to trade being a sum that I can actually calculate, and with a limited number of trade agreements, you really have to pick and choose your partners. Finally I'm looking forward to trade income being more of just a number to me.
Also, what you said about trade resource prices raising when there is demand could suggest going to war just to either seize or destroy rival assets. Even if the AI doesn't play that game, it'll be a neat thing to roleplay. :2thumbsup:
Megas Methuselah
02-26-2009, 04:15
In Shamwow:
"Alright, we're going to do this in real-time...you following me camera guy?"
Yeah, that makes me smile every single time... :laugh4:
It looks like you can make a ton of money from trade routes. I wonder how other infrastructure options like farms compare to trade. Obviously trade is the big way to make money, but it will still be interesting to see how it compares :yes:
Polemists
02-26-2009, 05:56
This is going to be the longest 4 days of my year...I can feeel it :P
Sol Invictus
02-26-2009, 06:33
There should be some fierce trade wars for all the coin that is up for grabs.
Gotta love the Sham-WOW and Slap-Chop guy.:clown:
A Very Super Market
02-26-2009, 06:34
Forget your troubles, with ETW! Just a single session will drive you wild!
Polemists
02-26-2009, 07:37
ETW is alot like waiting for that finale to your fav tv show. You know you'll like it, you know you want it....you can't wait to find out what happenes next......aghhhh
Trade should be a good money maker, thanks for posting the screens.
This should at least give us something everyday till 3rd or 4th (depending on where you live).
I sadly..have to wait for it to be shipped so I will be only from 4th-7th...when no one else from orga will even check these forums :laugh4:
quadalpha
02-26-2009, 07:51
Wow, I just remembered that February only has 28 days!
Crazed Rabbit
02-26-2009, 09:48
For a country that the Portugese royal family fled to when Napoleon invaded and set up modern state institutions, it doesn't have a lot of representation on the map...
Oh well. I suppose they could only do so many trade theater things. A pity, though. So much of the Spanish and Portugese empires aren't shown.
CR
sassbarman
02-26-2009, 10:09
Well.... they did do that in real life anyways. And nowhere do I see a small force. I don't even see any force, really.
I know they do but CA boasted about how the a.i. will better protect its important cities. My mistake you can see the brit army in the second last screen shot not the last. If you look close next to the unit flag there clearly are very few units in that stack otherwise you would see a hint of a gold bar, you can however see about 3 ships in the naval stack.
It's not the region capital for everybody, you choose which city will be your capital for that region.
The reviewer just happend to capture that city as his first, and boom, now it's his region capital by default.
I believe it is the capitol for everyone because it is clearly the largest city in the province and in the second last screen shot it has a capitol symbol next to the city name.
Don't get me wrong, I can't wait for this game but again i hope the stategic a.i. has improved, med 2 was a disaster.
Ituralde
02-26-2009, 10:35
Great post Marten, finally the pictures to go along with my rather clumsy descriptions. I have to admit that I just couldn't be bothered. I rather watched all of the videos in my little home theater on the big screen. I already have it set up so that I can hook up my PC to it once I activated it on Steam. :2thumbsup:
Liberator
02-26-2009, 10:51
For a British based company CA is realy giving alot of the more interesting info to German magasines.:inquisitive: Didnt we get our first look at the Campaign map from a German mag too?
Confused?! I guess Germany (and german-speaking Austria+Swiss) is CAs biggest market in europe.
PanzerJaeger
02-26-2009, 11:30
Stop having a boring tuna... stop having a boring life! :2thumbsup:
*Great screens by the way, thanks!
Sir Beane
02-26-2009, 11:40
Wow, I just remembered that February only has 28 days!
Isn't it great? :laugh4:
I wonder how much cash these Trade Theatres will make, and how significant a role they will play in the game?
I know they do but CA boasted about how the a.i. will better protect its important cities. My mistake you can see the brit army in the second last screen shot not the last. If you look close next to the unit flag there clearly are very few units in that stack otherwise you would see a hint of a gold bar, you can however see about 3 ships in the naval stack.
I believe it is the capitol for everyone because it is clearly the largest city in the province and in the second last screen shot it has a capitol symbol next to the city name.
Don't get me wrong, I can't wait for this game but again i hope the stategic a.i. has improved, med 2 was a disaster.
This is due to the fact the reviewer had to fill 25 min with a lot of content, so they didn't show all battles and stuff ... but there was a battle e.g. a siege of Mysore (auto-resolve). It is a minor faction and was at war with the marathes confed at this time.
batemonkey
02-26-2009, 15:20
The areas near the transition zones and trade hubs are going to see mucho mucho Naval action!
Sir Beane
02-26-2009, 15:38
I just noticed, both the Thirteen Colonies and Genoa are mentioned as factions in several screenshots, in the year 1705. Looks like both are in the game.
Greyblades
02-26-2009, 16:47
Heres hoping the 13 colonies start as vassal states...
I suspect so, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the 13 colonies start as a British protectorate; I wasn't sure whether that was just a fancy way of saying it was British territory or if it means protectorate in the sense of protectorates/vassals from RTW/M2TW. I guess it's the latter, although in the screenshots New England does seem to be the same colour as the British home nations.
Incidentally, anyone find the whole stock market aspect of resource trading reminiscent of Sid Meier's Colonization? Of course, this is no bad thing IMHO.
quadalpha
02-26-2009, 17:11
Someone said that the colonies will be tied to Britain's foreign policy as well as pay taxes, but will manage its own internal development.
Sol Invictus
02-26-2009, 17:40
According to the Ottoman AAR in the Turkish magazine, it seems that even though the Thirteen Colonies; as well as several other colonies; start in 1700 as Protectorates, they can still make and accept treaties with other Powers. I find this odd and a bit of a worry. I hope there is some mechanism to force them to somehow toe the mother Country's line or else we might see some very strange foreign policy divergence between the two.
PanzerJaeger
02-26-2009, 19:40
IMO, instead of all this Road to Independence stuff and making it a quasi-major power, they should have just made the US playable from 1700.
Start as a "protectorate" of Britain which would entail an alliance with them, paying them taxes out of your income, and receiving their tech upgrades. I'm not sure if the mission system is still in Empire, but if so, you could get royal decrees which would have to be completed. Make it so that the player could build and expand against the indians and Britain's enemies however they liked on the American map, but not in any other theatres.
When the player gets sick of this situation, he can declare independence at his discretion - which automatically sets them at war with Britain. Some of his leaders and troops could even go loyalist and become British.
With all the historical fudging that goes on in these games and considering that they're basically alternate histories from the start onwards, I don't think its terribly important that the US declare exactly in 1776.
Sir Beane
02-26-2009, 19:43
IMO, instead of all this Road to Independence stuff and making it a quasi-major power, they should have just made the US playable from 1700.
Start as a "protectorate" of Britain which would entail an alliance with them, paying them taxes out of your income, and receiving their tech upgrades. I'm not sure if the mission system is still in Empire, but if so, you could get royal decrees which would have to be completed. Make it so that the player could build and expand against the indians and Britain's enemies however they liked on the American map, but not in any other theatres.
When the player gets sick of this situation, he can declare independence at his discretion - which automatically sets them at war with Britain. Some of his leaders and troops could even go loyalist and become British.
With all the historical fudging that goes on in these games and considering that they're basically alternate histories from the start onwards, I don't think its terribly important that the US declare exactly in 1776.
It seems like the Thirteen Colonies are in the game and start out as protectorates of Britain (see Marten's Screenshot thread). So it might be possible for modders to make the situation you describe a possiblity.
Isn't it great? :laugh4:
I wonder how much cash these Trade Theatres will make, and how significant a role they will play in the game?
I'm hoping absolutely tons. My plan as Britain is to build a strong navy from the start and control trade, like in real life. Then use this wealth to build a massive army to destroy france, like it should have been in real life.
Alexander the Adequate
02-26-2009, 20:19
I believe it is the capitol for everyone because it is clearly the largest city in the province and in the second last screen shot it has a capitol symbol next to the city name.
Don't get me wrong, I can't wait for this game but again i hope the stategic a.i. has improved, med 2 was a disaster.
Are you quite sure it is the capital for everybody? That makes no sense, there's more than one faction in India. plus CA has already said that each faction will appoint their own individual region capital.
It would be nice if a CA person could come in here and sort it out. *Waits for Jack Lusted in a superman uniform to come flying in*
Sir Beane
02-26-2009, 20:24
Are you quite sure it is the capital for everybody? That makes no sense, there's more than one faction in India.
It would be nice if a CA person could come in here and sort it out. *Waits for Jack Lusted in a superman uniform to come flying in*
By regional capital it means the province, not the whole of India. Each province can now have more than one city and Mysore is the biggest and therefore the capital of the province. Thats why it says Mysore, Mysore as the name.
A different province would have a different regional capital. For instance the regional capital of Goa is Goa, the capital of Bengal is Calcutta, etc.
Hope that clears things up :2thumbsup:.
Alexander the Adequate
02-26-2009, 20:30
Well actually I was debating with another chap over his claim that all of India shared Mysore as a region capital. He expressed concern that the region capital was so easy to take, and I told him that your region capital is different depending on the faction, and where you choose to put it. By region capital i am talking about the province that you choose to be your capital, because you have one for America, India, and Europe in this game, you know.
Sir Beane
02-26-2009, 20:34
Well actually I was debating with another chap over his claim that all of India shared Mysore as a region capital. He expressed concern that the region capital was so easy to take, and I told him that your region capital is different depending on the faction, and where you choose to put it. By region capital i am talking about the province that you choose to be your capital, because you have one for America, India, and Europe in this game, you know.
I wasn't aware you had three capitals. I was under the impression you had just the one. But all of India wouldn't have had one capital anyway since India is inhabited by five different factions. Mysore would have been the capital of Mysore though, since they only had one province. It's no suprise the British beat them though, Mysore are pretty weak compared to the Maratha Confederacy and the Mughal Empire.
General SupaCrunk
02-26-2009, 20:51
Very Nice!!! :2thumbsup:
I wasn't aware you had three capitals. I was under the impression you had just the one. But all of India wouldn't have had one capital anyway since India is inhabited by five different factions. Mysore would have been the capital of Mysore though, since they only had one province. It's no suprise the British beat them though, Mysore are pretty weak compared to the Maratha Confederacy and the Mughal Empire.
I believe you have a regional capital as you just said, where you have one for India/America as well as your faction capital.
It was one of those campaign guides which mentioned it, anyway.
Discoman
02-26-2009, 22:20
Well my biggest concern is will trade regions for themselves and then some? I'm hoping its going to be more cost effective than getting Merchants which produce an extra 2 gold per turn.
sassbarman
02-26-2009, 22:41
I believe every province regardless of how many towns have spawned in it has a capital or main city, one that if you capture will make the province yours. In that second last screenshot i believe no garrison is present in that city allowing the dirty brits to just walk in and take it.
I don't mean to belabor the point I'm just hoping the strategic A.I. will make it more difficult to pick off provinces and offer some sort of challenge.
Ituralde
02-26-2009, 23:06
I saw the video those screens where taken from and I can assure you that there was a sizeable force stationed in Mysore, which was defeated in an auto-calced battle. If you want I can look at the video again and give you the exact breakdown of the forces involved.
Also I think it's right with the three region capitals for each faction. As the reviewers also says that Mysore is now the British region capital, once he has conquered it and you can see that it has the little white capital sign next to its name.
Wow, I just remembered that February only has 28 days!
You aren't the only one! I now feel a great deal better, but these next few days are going to be harsh. I'm just hoping my computer will be able to handle Empire. I'd be heartbroken if it didn't. Anyways, I'm loving the screenshots Marten, keep it coming! The Sham-wow guy was right...all kinds of great stuff comes out of Germany. :laugh4:
Noddy The Beefy Egg
03-03-2009, 16:29
https://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x301/swcsalha/cantdothisallday.jpg
Nice shots! Interesting stuff, really answers a lot of questions I had on the trade theatre thing.
And of course, SHAM-WOW!
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