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Empire Total War will be coming out in only a few days now. They said that they would release a patch to fix the major problems in the game. In 3 days we will finally see if it is the biggest smash or the biggest flop of all time.
I am not going to buy the game until I know for sure that these problems have been addressed in a satisfactorial way:
Animations
Ridiculous performance issues
Random freezing
Who can I trust to honestly tell me how well these things have been addressed when the game comes out?
pevergreen
03-01-2009, 10:33
Me.
Its been said (Sir Beane) that the animations are better in the full game, that the demo was old code not optimised to use dual cores and random freezes? I havent heard anything about them.
You can ask me via PM about anything you want concerning the game.
Me.
Its been said (Sir Beane) that the animations are better in the full game, that the demo was old code not optimised to use dual cores and random freezes? I havent heard anything about them.
You can ask me via PM about anything you want concerning the game.
Thanks Pever.
It freezes half of the time at the beginning, freezes some times in battle, and freezes a lot at the end of the naval battles. It really made me mad. :P
pevergreen
03-01-2009, 10:45
Hmmm, apart from the fact that its just a demo, im presuming you've checked your specs against minimum etc?
Sir Beane
03-01-2009, 11:15
It isn't just me that says the animations look better in the gold version, Monk agrees :2thumbsup:.
As for the random freezing, sounds like your processor isn't up to the task of running the game. You probably have the minimum or just above minimum specs?
Like John Paul Jones, I have not yet begun to fight.
AND IT'S FREAKING KILLING ME! Why can't it be Wendsday?
Polemists
03-01-2009, 11:41
At least it's march, take what you can get.
Clearly you can't trust me. As soon as I have this game I will probably love as much as I loved RTW and MTW2, (Which apparently some people on this site hate)
So I am probably not the best source.
Hmmm, apart from the fact that its just a demo, im presuming you've checked your specs against minimum etc?
Yeah, it should run fine...
Sir Beane
03-01-2009, 11:44
Yeah, it should run fine...
Have you tried updating your video drivers? It's amazing how much that can help sometimes.
At least it's march, take what you can get.
Clearly you can't trust me. As soon as I have this game I will probably love as much as I loved RTW and MTW2, (Which apparently some people on this site hate)
So I am probably not the best source.
lol, I loved RTW and M2TW too. :P I thought I was gonna like ETW, but if it is anything like the demo I am afraid that I will not. :P
Have you tried updating your video drivers? It's amazing how much that can help sometimes.
I always keep up to date. I do not see why it should be running so bad and freezing on my comp, yet it runs great in all the videos. I can play BF2 with almost full graphics and no lag, so it is not like my comp is having trouble or anything. Maybe it is just cause it is a laptop.
Polemists
03-01-2009, 11:50
Well I hate to say this but if your going up against Minimum specs your only dooming yourself.
Fact is game devs don't even consider minimum specs and rarely try them. Usually they try it out on recommended and then figure out what it could run on bare min without testing it.
So if your not sporting duo and 512 video card, tough luck.
Well I hate to say this but if your going up against Minimum specs your only dooming yourself.
Fact is game devs don't even consider minimum specs and rarely try them. Usually they try it out on recommended and then figure out what it could run on bare min without testing it.
So if your not sporting duo and 512 video card, tough luck.
I am, and 3 gigs of ram.
Sir Beane
03-01-2009, 12:06
I am, and 3 gigs of ram.
Well in that case you must be one of those (un)lucky few who are having problems running the demo for no good reason. I suppose all you can really do is wait to see what others say about the main game.
I hope they've fixed things and it works for you :2thumbsup: I was looking forward to your mods. :yes:
Polemists
03-01-2009, 12:18
Yes sadly nothing you can do until 2 more days when the Orgah's reviews start rolling in.
That said, in mean time you'll just be sitting around and taking polls like the rest of us :)
Digby Tatham Warter
03-01-2009, 12:29
Empire Total War will be coming out in only a few days now. They said that they would release a patch to fix the major problems in the game. In 3 days we will finally see if it is the biggest smash or the biggest flop of all time.
I am not going to buy the game until I know for sure that these problems have been addressed in a satisfactorial way:
Ridiculous performance issues
Random freezing
Who can I trust to honestly tell me how well these things have been addressed when the game comes out?
I am amazed you can slander a game thats due soon, havn't you read that plenty of people can play the demo just fine, so that automatically must tell you that it's your lap top, either it can't cut the mustard on the settings you selected, or it's got other issues, but it can't be CA's fault!
I was hoping more people would want to be more supportive of CA's hard work and cut them a little slack, particulary blaming the game for their own setup problems.
Lap tops are known to be poor gaming rigs.
Polemists
03-01-2009, 12:32
Yes, it's important to be honest with yourself.
I can run medium but there is a slight lag I prefer not to deal with (and longer load times) so I run low.
I am fine with low, and have alot of fun but some people keep trying to run High and Ultra who clearly cannot run high and ultra.
The demo has some bugs, no doubt about it, but i'd wait to see the full 15 gig version before worrying on how the 2 gig version worked.
Sir Beane
03-01-2009, 12:35
I am amazed you can slander a game thats due soon, havn't you read that plenty of people can play the demo just fine, so that automatically must tell you that it's your lap top, either it can't cut the mustard on the settings you selected, or it's got other issues, but it can't be CA's fault!
I was hoping more people would want to be more supportive of CA's hard work and cut them a little slack, particulary blaming the game for their own setup problems.
Lap tops are known to poor gaming rigs.
I wouldn't say it was slander. I've heard much worse coming from people on these forums, and often without any real justification. Vuk has genuine issues, and I think I would be annoyed if I couldn't run the game.
It isn't just him. There are many people who have not been able to run the demo despite having powerful machines. It's pretty hard to be supportive of a game you can't play because of a bug.
Digby Tatham Warter
03-01-2009, 13:06
I wouldn't say it was slander. I've heard much worse coming from people on these forums, and often without any real justification. Vuk has genuine issues, and I think I would be annoyed if I couldn't run the game.
It isn't just him. There are many people who have not been able to run the demo despite having powerful machines. It's pretty hard to be supportive of a game you can't play because of a bug.
Greetings Sir Beane,
Slander is the correct word, because it's not true CA's work is at fault if said lap top freezes. Also I feel the meaning of slander is lost on this modern generation, a new dictionary would prob state is as an outright lie, or unjustified claim, where as an old dictionary would have it as casting negative light upon something, whether it's true or not!
I am aware of some people's high end new rigs having problems(mines one to, although very slightly) and a brand new game may well cause the driver suites for ATi and Nvidia to requie some love, this is norm, surely. Look at all the new fixes the lastest driver address.
Now whilst I am sympathetic to VuK's plight, freezing up issues are clearly his problem, and the ignorant might well be put of from buying a game, that people say is bugged to the point it will make your PC freeze.
I am amazed you can slander a game thats due soon, havn't you read that plenty of people can play the demo just fine, so that automatically must tell you that it's your lap top, either it can't cut the mustard on the settings you selected, or it's got other issues, but it can't be CA's fault!
I was hoping more people would want to be more supportive of CA's hard work and cut them a little slack, particulary blaming the game for their own setup problems.
Lap tops are known to be poor gaming rigs.
Calm the heck down, it is not slander. Sure it is a laptop, but it is a darned good one. Crysis is the only game that I cannot run smoothly on relatively good graphics. So yes, it CAN be CA's faul. I am not a CA hater, and I admire their hard work, but if a game has a problem, then it has a darned problem. CA should fix it, and I will buy their game if they do. If not, then I will simply not buy the game.
Polemists
03-01-2009, 13:17
Also I feel the meaning of slander is lost on this modern generation
Oh man did that make me laugh, clearly you have not met the modern generation :laugh4:
I'm lucky if the modern generation of americans can tell me who fought at bunker hill, let alone what slander means :laugh4:
tibilicus
03-01-2009, 13:20
In 3 days we will finally see if it is the biggest smash or the biggest flop of all time.
Slight exaggeration when you consider the other games out there..
But more to the point I doubt anyone will be disappointed. So far it's received a meta score of 93 at metacritic.com which has placed it in the top 10 games for pc for now anyway.
Polemists
03-01-2009, 13:24
Actually since I don't care for Dawn of War II and this is the only other solid pc only title coming out till June I can think of. This probably will be my game of the year for pc :2thumbsup:
Greetings Sir Beane,
Slander is the correct word, because it's not true CA's work is at fault if said lap top freezes. Also I feel the meaning of slander is lost on this modern generation, a new dictionary would prob state is as an outright lie, or unjustified claim, where as an old dictionary would have it as casting negative light upon something, whether it's true or not!
I am aware of some people's high end new rigs having problems(mines one to, although very slightly) and a brand new game may well cause the driver suites for ATi and Nvidia to requie some love, this is norm, surely. Look at all the new fixes the lastest driver address.
Now whilst I am sympathetic to VuK's plight, freezing up issues are clearly his problem, and the ignorant might well be put of from buying a game, that people say is bugged to the point it will make your PC freeze.
Digby, I do not want to argue it with you. My PC randomly freezing with it when I have the latest drivers and can play every other darned game out there is a serious problem, and one that I do not see how can be mine. My computer should be able to run it fine, and should not freeze. And now I am getting the feeling that you are a shill...
Slight exaggeration when you consider the other games out there..
But more to the point I doubt anyone will be disappointed. So far it's received a meta score of 93 at metacritic.com which has placed it in the top 10 games for pc for now anyway.
I was talking about relative to my expectations. :beam:
Greyblades
03-01-2009, 13:35
Well I wouldnt worry about it unless the actual game freezes on wendsday.
Well I wouldnt worry about it unless the actual game freezes on wendsday.
If the game comes out and it works, I will buy it first thing. I am just not gonna waste my time otherwise. I posted this thread to appeal to serious people to tell me if those things have seriously been addressed. (not screaming fanboys like Digby who seem determined say naught but praise whatever reality dictates to the contrary)
Gentlemen,
While no one has yet quite crossed the line into flaming/personal attacks, there have been a few posts that have come close. Please dial it back a little. :bow:
yankeefan05
03-01-2009, 19:17
I cant wait for this to come out. Definitely it should be more "stable" than the demo.
If the game comes out and it works, I will buy it first thing.
How are you going to determine that ETW won't freeze on your computer without buying it?
quadalpha
03-01-2009, 21:41
How are you going to determine that ETW won't freeze on your computer without buying it?
I was wondering that too. Perhaps you can post your full specs to see if people around here have something similar?
How are you going to determine that ETW won't freeze on your computer without buying it?
Because I am not the only one having this trouble I believe. I plan to listen to people's impressions and see if anyone has stability problems like mine.
peacemaker
03-01-2009, 23:34
GAH! my computer stopped working just now! That means I'll probably have it back in a little over a week....which means.....no ETW on release.........GAH!
Greyblades
03-01-2009, 23:37
Ouch! wow, talk about poor luck.
Sir Beane
03-01-2009, 23:39
GAH! my computer stopped working just now! That means I'll probably have it back in a little over a week....which means.....no ETW on release.........GAH!
We feel your pain :shame:.
Wednesday cannot come soon enough, I just hope I'll have the game by then. Come on Play.com!
I know what it's like when you can't get a game to run or it freezes the PC all the time, it's drives me mad..mad.. mad I tell you !
and you end up with lots of late nights and hair pulling, and when you finally go to bed..you can't sleep!
It would be a good idea for all those that can't run the Demo to have a thread to share computer specs to find a common denominator that might cause the probs ?
Anyway anyone with Demo probs should be allowed to shout, moan, insult, and yes slander, because when they get the game and it runs fine they will love CA again, and life will be good !
I'm running the demo on a 2.4 duo 4meg ram and a 8800GT and have the visuals pretty much maxed out, and have had no problems what so ever with any aspect of the demo.
Only just realised that ETW is out on Wed, not Fri as is the norm in the UK !! DOH !! thought it was going to be a long long week, but now it's only a few dozen hours away.....
Good luck to Vuk and all who've had problems with the demo, hope the game runs great for you all.
Greyblades
03-02-2009, 01:32
2 1/2 days till it arrives... This is going to be painfull
2 1/2 days till it arrives... This is going to be painfull
2 days and 21 hours until the game is unlocked on steam. I believe pre-load will officially begin on the "2 day" mark. Good thing too, cuz 15gb will take a while :sweatdrop:
pevergreen
03-02-2009, 02:59
15gb = 15 hours at about 450-500 kB/ps
15gb = 15 hours at about 450-500 kB/ps
I knew what I was getting into when I bought off of steam, trust me I know! :sweatdrop:
Luckily, Monday and Tuesday will be spent mostly in class and preparing for the final stretch before Finals, so I will have my hands full with that. It all comes together quite nicely if I do say so myself!
Besides, maybe now I will get some work done if my internets are clogged with steam downloading ETW and not spend excessive amounts of time spamming refresh to see if there's been any more news. :wall:
quadalpha
03-02-2009, 03:10
So that would be more like 25 hours at the ~300 kb/s I usually get ... I hope they'd compress it slightly. You know maybe the 15GB is the final install size.
You have finals in March?
So that would be more like 25 hours at the ~300 kb/s I usually get ... I hope they'd compress it slightly. You know maybe the 15GB is the final install size.
You have finals in March?
On a quarterly schedule rather than a semester one. I have finals every season.
:focus:
pevergreen
03-02-2009, 03:14
That 15gb interested me, maybe thats for the install? The game may only be 9gb, games ask for like 3gb of space during install when they are less than 1gb.
That 15gb interested me, maybe thats for the install? The game may only be 9gb, games ask for like 3gb of space during install when they are less than 1gb.
Considering how huge this game is, it's very possible that it requires you have an extra gb or 2 free just for the install process to use temp files. That is pretty standard in any computer program.
I would expect the final install to be around 10-13gb imho.
SirGrotius
03-02-2009, 04:46
So you're not buying the game if the animations aren't better than in the demo? I had fun playing the demo and that's why I'm buying the game. Sometimes I get the feeling that people obsess over "bugs" to the point of interfering w/ the point of the game, which is to have fun and dominate your friends online.
I remember when I played Risk and we used plastic counters to represent units. I remember Age of Empires 1 when a man was a black dot for hair, a flesh dot for head, and make shift couple of dots to represent the body.
Those games sucked totally, because they had no animations. :furious3:
I think developers should stop focusing on game play and fun-factor and more on the insignificant details.
A Very Super Market
03-02-2009, 05:19
Your sarcasm would be hard to decipher for foreign members.
Polemists
03-02-2009, 05:32
Lol,
Well only 1 day left now before it's released in the states and normal edition.
So much excitment in the air. :2thumbsup:
I don't get it till the 7th as previously stated, but I won't online the 5th or 6th so it's all good. I'll be curious to hear replies on 3rd and 4th, assuming everyone actually logins in long enough to stop playing the game:laugh4:
Your sarcasm would be hard to decipher for foreign members.
It shouldn't do, as my post was meant to be absurd. :beam:
I have to admit, what is really thrilling me for this game, is the AI on the strategy mode. I want to see real diplomatic relations with the other nations, and proper trades and the whole political semantics of it all.
A Very Super Market
03-02-2009, 05:38
Its nice that release day coincides with the due date of a serious school project of mine, so I will be completely clear to waste the day!
Polemists
03-02-2009, 05:49
Yea even though the game won't come to me till saturday (a work day for me) I feel a sick day coming on *Cough, cough* :laugh4:
Sir Beane
03-02-2009, 12:58
Yea even though the game won't come to me till saturday (a work day for me) I feel a sick day coming on *Cough, cough* :laugh4:
Luckily for me us students have plenty of free time to play games, without jeapordising our working career. :2thumbsup:
Of course staying in my room glued to my PC for days on end will probably impact my studies somewhat... :laugh4:.
Polemists
03-02-2009, 13:17
Lol,
You'll learn when you work 54-60 hours a week people rarely care about the occassional sick day. It's only when you work 40 hours a week and take vaca all the time that they care :2thumbsup:
Fisherking
03-02-2009, 13:29
What I expect to happen is on the evening of the 3rd there are a flurry of posts saying I got it! Its so cool!:2thumbsup:
Followed next day by three people complaining about killer bugs no one else can find. Then in about a week we get a few AARs…
Of course if the game is really, really good, uh, I may be MIA for a while…
:beam:
Polemists
03-02-2009, 13:36
Haha, actually one full day I may go at it but that would be it. Total war games are usually best cause I can play them in short evening games night, after night, for years of enjoyment. I assume ETW follows suit.
The 3rd sure, everyone will flurry to play it and some people will want to try everything right away. As for me on they 7th night i'll play it, probably the 8th enjoy it. The 9th though i'll probably be back to posting AAR's with screens and videos and new ideas :)
Grumfoss
03-02-2009, 14:28
I know it sounds a bit silly but I'm really excited about this release. ( I have just checked my account with Play.com and it says that it is in Packing ..wooohoo :) )
I don't normally pre-order anything but I can't wait to see those timbers fly in the naval battles :)I'm not a big fan of demos as they are always really buggy. I'm sure it will be very stable when released. (at least for most gamers)
....Not long now :D
Polemists
03-02-2009, 14:45
For those of you getting it tommorrow I am glad :)
I will be eager to here all kinds of cool game reports.
Sir Beane
03-02-2009, 14:52
I know it sounds a bit silly but I'm really excited about this release. ( I have just checked my account with Play.com and it says that it is in Packing ..wooohoo :) )
I don't normally pre-order anything but I can't wait to see those timbers fly in the naval battles :)I'm not a big fan of demos as they are always really buggy. I'm sure it will be very stable when released. (at least for most gamers)
....Not long now :D
Because of your post I checked my Play.com order. Mine is in packing to! I hope the game is delivered tomorrow! :2thumbsup:
batemonkey
03-02-2009, 14:59
I've booked friday off work, they all laughed when i explained why
Sir Beane
03-02-2009, 15:02
I've booked friday off work, they all laughed when i explained why
You'll have the last laugh, while they are working and you are ruling a global superpower :2thumbsup:.
Considering how huge this game is, it's very possible that it requires you have an extra gb or 2 free just for the install process to use temp files. That is pretty standard in any computer program.
I would expect the final install to be around 10-13gb imho.
Max told me he counted roundabout 11 GB packed files on both discs :saint:
As i said, clever rabbit ... even knows what GB's are ... GigaBeans ... :laugh4:
Marten
Fisherking
03-02-2009, 15:11
Because of your post I checked my Play.com order. Mine is in packing to! I hope the game is delivered tomorrow! :2thumbsup:
Lets all hope for good weather in the Channel and no airport debacles for the next few days.
Right now there are half a million orders being processed in Jersey and we don’t need travel delays!
:sweatdrop:
Sir Beane
03-02-2009, 15:12
Max told me he counted roundabout 11 GB packed files on both discs :saint:
As i said, clever rabbit ... even knows what GB's are ... GigaBeans ... :laugh4:
Marten
If the Org ever needs an official mascot then I volunteer Max the Wargaming Rabbit :2thumbsup:. He is an adorable bunny and a fiendish strategist rolled into one!
Polemists
03-02-2009, 15:23
That is huge, I bet that install takes a while. MTW2 took a good couple minutes
Grumfoss
03-02-2009, 15:36
WooHooo!!! just got an Email from Play.com its been posted! Hopefully I will get it tomorrow :)
Fisherking
03-02-2009, 15:45
I just got this from PLAY
Your order for Empire: Total War - Special Forces Edition (with Play.com Exclusive 'USS Constitution' Unlock Code) has been posted.
Please note PLAY.COM will show on your statement.
Please allow 3-5 days delivery.:sweatdrop:
Polemists
03-02-2009, 15:46
:laugh4:To those of you who must wait till after the third, I and the others who must wait...salute you..:laugh4:
Grumfoss
03-02-2009, 15:54
Fisherking: Play always say delivery will take 3-5 days, I'm hopeful that it will be less ~;)
Polemists
03-02-2009, 15:57
Amazon says it will take two days, but 3-5 seems more normal. We shall see.
Zatoichi
03-02-2009, 16:13
I just got Play's email too!
The willpower required to avoid 'working from home' on Wednesday will be incredible! I'm not sure I'm up to the task.
I just panicked slightly and bought another 2 gigs of RAM - I know that my XP 32 bit system won't be able to use all of it, but what it can use will help! Plus £30 is a bargain - cheaper than my first impulse to spend £1300 on a new machine anyway...
Barkhorn1x
03-02-2009, 16:50
Will d/l from Steam and expect the pre-load to be available at approx. 4:00pm EST (US) today - so my PC will be running all night long tonight.
I have a business trip on Wednesday :oops: - but I am taking Thursday off. :2thumbsup:
Fisherking
03-02-2009, 17:50
Amazon says it will take two days, but 3-5 seems more normal. We shall see.
You may have your package going through customs where you are.
That alone would put me in a panic…Last time I had something shipped that did, it took them a couple of weeks and they had the gall to bill me €13 on top of it!
Polemists
03-03-2009, 06:02
Actually, I normally do larger orders from amazons do to the fact that where I live there is always a
fifty dollar custom fee on any package from DHL. So I might as well order a fair bit for that price.
Regardless....customs usually only takes a day. I've had quite a few items come in by now, it's rare it takes any longer.
Amazon irks me slightly tho, because they say the game is released on 3rd but they won't ship until the 4th...you win some you lose some I guess.
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