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edyzmedieval
03-03-2009, 15:14
Lately I have been having a serious conflict with one of my classmates, which I will not discuss here in detail, but since I am out of ideas on how to deal with the person, I'm looking for alternative ideas, how do you guys take care of these interesting problems. Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
So how do you handle it when you receive a punch in the face and then an honest "I don't regret at all what I have done" in your face afterwards? Note: this person does not understand what "leave me alone please" is.
Any ideas?
SwordsMaster
03-03-2009, 15:18
Lately I have been having a serious conflict with one of my classmates, which I will not discuss here in detail, but since I am out of ideas on how to deal with the person, I'm looking for alternative ideas, how do you guys take care of these interesting problems. Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
So how do you handle it when you receive a punch in the face and then an honest "I don't regret at all what I have done" in your face afterwards? Note: this person does not understand what "leave me alone please" is.
Any ideas?
Wait for him outside school and THEN get into a fight. :beam:
Yes, a frontal punch right on the chin (90 degrees you have to slap the jaw back) will knock out everybody unless he's wearing a bit, brain can't handle it and just shuts down. Another precision instrument, when you give a push, push upward with your palms. You want the area where the arm and chest connect right under the chest muscles, won't be able to use his arms for a few minutes, practise with a friend so you will know the spot. 99% of martial arts is absolute nonsense, these two are a 100% victory no matter how big someone is, best way to deal with agression is being even more agressive :bow:
Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
it wouldn't be much of a fight trust me.
And do you really think this guy is going to do the boohooohooo at the principles office?
Any ideas?
If direct conflict is unworkable, I have only one word for you: Allies.
pevergreen
03-03-2009, 16:11
Boarding school, yes?
Shave his eyebrows and hair off while hes sleeping. Or mint toothpaste in his hair. I had that done to me at camp, it burns.
If you want to put him off you, in addition to Fragony's advice, I've always found a punch to the nose works. Eyes water up and you can just push him away and walk away while telling him to piss off or something.
Lately I have been having a serious conflict with one of my classmates, which I will not discuss here in detail, but since I am out of ideas on how to deal with the person, I'm looking for alternative ideas, how do you guys take care of these interesting problems. Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
So how do you handle it when you receive a punch in the face and then an honest "I don't regret at all what I have done" in your face afterwards? Note: this person does not understand what "leave me alone please" is.
Any ideas?
make allies, avoid the guy, and fight outside school.
I had a run in with people like him; one encounter ended with the bully having a pen jabbed into his shoulder...
and if he attacks you in school, don't fight back, but get it to happen in sight of the teacher..you'll end up with a bruise, but you won't be kicked out for fighting-he will.
otherwise I really hate to fight, mostly because that kind of product is typical of a fight(blood):no:
seireikhaan
03-03-2009, 16:20
Sneak into his room at night, when he's asleep.
Apply rubber cement all across his hands, then tickle his nose.
Sneak into his room at night, when he's asleep.
Apply rubber cement all across his hands, then tickle his nose.
doch! why didn't I think of that:clown:
lot less bloody.
Yeah, I got the impression that direct physical violence was out of the question. This was the hint:
Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
So as much fun as it is to bop a bully on the nose and send him home crying, that's not an option.
Once again: Allies.
If you want to put him off you, in addition to Fragony's advice, I've always found a punch to the nose works. Eyes water up and you can just push him away and walk away while telling him to piss off or something.
Yeah but that's not going to keep him away. There is nothing like flooring someone with a single hit he will think Edyz is Hercules reincarnation himself showing a mere mortal it's place in the way of things. Guy sounds like a complete asshole he probably does it to other people as well. Nothing like a bit of humiliation, never listen to your mother when it comes to MANLY issues.
Rhyfelwyr
03-03-2009, 16:38
Find an old Chinese man to teach you karate. Or alternatively, just snitch snitch snitch. Make him know if he touches you he'll be straight out the school.
Hooahguy
03-03-2009, 16:42
get mace.
or brass knuckles with the engraving "haha" in it.
Yes, a frontal punch right on the chin (90 degrees you have to slap the jaw back) will knock out everybody unless he's wearing a bit, brain can't handle it and just shuts down. Another precision instrument, when you give a push, push upward with your palms. You want the area where the arm and chest connect right under the chest muscles, won't be able to use his arms for a few minutes, practise with a friend so you will know the spot. 99% of martial arts is absolute nonsense, these two are a 100% victory no matter how big someone is, best way to deal with agression is being even more agressive :bow:
Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
it wouldn't be much of a fight trust me.
And do you really think this guy is going to do the boohooohooo at the principles office?
Sorry Frag, but I consider this very bad advice. First of all, Edyz is completely right that a physical confrontation should be avoided unless completely necassary. Second of all, as a guy who has been in LOTS of pretty serious brawls with plenty of pretty able people, who has been a victim of random attack, and who has studied martial arts for years, I take offence with what you said about martial arts. Most martial arts are only as good as these three dependent factors:
1. What they are meant for. If it is Taekwondo, then it is not gonna be good for selfdefense, it is a bloody combat sport for heaven's sake. If it is Hapkido, or Taijichuan, then it is gonna be good for practical situations and serious fights, but no good as a combat sport. Also keep in mind that most martial arts are above all a way of life.
2. The instructor teaching them/the school in which they are taught. There are very few good and truely qualified instructors out there who teach martial arts for their true purpose.
3. The student. If the student sucks, so will the martial art. If the student has misconceptions about the martial art, he will not be able to use it in an effective way.
Keep in mind also that martial arts just add tools to your tool box. You have to practice and be familiar with your tools, so that you know the right ones to use at the right times, and how best to use them. I do not mean to rag on you too much Frag, but such an umbrella statement is highly inaccurate. If you said combat sports do not adequately prepare one to defend onesself in a real life attack, then I would agree.
Lately I have been having a serious conflict with one of my classmates, which I will not discuss here in detail, but since I am out of ideas on how to deal with the person, I'm looking for alternative ideas, how do you guys take care of these interesting problems. Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
So how do you handle it when you receive a punch in the face and then an honest "I don't regret at all what I have done" in your face afterwards? Note: this person does not understand what "leave me alone please" is.
Any ideas?
Edyz, my best advice would be to avoid a fight if you can. A fight will probably only make things worse. On the other hand, if you need to defend yourself, do so, but only do what you need to defend yourself. When someone punches you in the face and you do nothing at all, then they think of you as a *****. Bullies have a very one track mind, and if they think that they can push you around, they will.
I am not suggesting that you attack him, but from what you have told me, I think you have two options next time he tries that:
1. Do not be afraid to report him, encourage witnesses, and even consider pursuing him legally. Bullies use people's fear of being called cowards to control them, the cruel irony being that they then become cowards under the bully's control.
2. Physically do what it take to avoid the hit, get him away from, and let him know that he cannot attack you without consequences. If you are surrounded by his friends, you do not want to get into a physical confrontation with him. If you can ward his attack or counter with a crippling attack of your own, then tell him to **** off and leave you alone.
I would tell you as general advice to stop hanging around with, and try to avoid being in the same places as him if possible. Also, try to be around friends or aqquaintances of your own more. Also, if possible, stay in public areas and around authority figures.
It is not being a coward Edyz, it is being smart. I have been in plenty of fights in my pretty short life, and got the better of most of them, but if I could change the way things happen, I would not have been in any. I have gotten smarter lately as I have taken martial arts more seriously, and haven't been in a fight for 2 and a half years.
Hate is never conquered by hate.
Hate is only conquered by compassion.
This is an eternal rule.
-Siddharta Gautama
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Find an old Chinese man to teach you karate.
Karate is Japanese >:| In any other case, just don't go into direct conflict; this won't change his opinion of you. It might end the conflict, at least temporarily.
EDIT: Vuk probably said everything I wanted to say.
Hate is never conquered by hate.
Hate is only conquered by compassion.
This is an eternal rule.
-Siddharta Gautama
Good luck with that.
@Vuk, the only martial arts I have found to be of any use is kickboxing because you need to be able to take a hit, I have a brown belt in jiu jitsu, failed for black and stopped trying it's useless it's a dance apart from the nasty stuff, and that nasty stuff needs no skill you just have to know where to hit. A kickboxer will absolutely annihilate anyone proficient in the oriental stuff unless they know judo and kickboxing, good combo but jiu jitsu is kinda judo where you get to hit people. If someone with a black belt in karate wants to take me on in a real fight, I wish him best of luck.
Good luck with that.
Happens to be the only religion which hasn't caused any violence throughout its 2000+ years of history.
@Vuk, the only martial arts I have found to be of any use is kickboxing because you need to be able to take a hit, I have a brown belt in jiu jitsu, failed for black and stopped trying it's useless it's a dance apart from the nasty stuff, and that nasty stuff needs no skill you just have to know where to hit. A kickboxer will absolutely annihilate anyone proficient in the oriental stuff unless they know judo and kickboxing, good combo but jiu jitsu is kinda judo where you get to hit people. If someone with a black belt in karate wants to take me on in a real fight, I wish him best of luck.
lol, a kickboxer is almost just like a Taekwondoist. They will both teach you to take a hit well, but they have the exact same problem, when a fight gets up close, they just cannot do anything. The same school here in Hungary that does Taekwondo also teaches kick-boxes (just to demonstrate the similarities), I may take some and see if I like it. You have to remember that kick-boxing was based heavily on the oriental Korean and Japanese kicking techniques, with only the punches coming from western fighting.
The practical martial arts are the different styles of Gong Fu. Yang Style Taijichuan I have found to be the most useful and practical of all the Gong Fu styles. They teach you not how to attack someone else, but what to do if you are attacked. A good Taijichuanist would kick the ass of a kickboxer or a Taekwondoist. (actually, my Taijichuan instructor originally took Taekwondo, as did I :P) Common brawling techniques work, which is why they are used, but taijichuan not only refines them, but teaches your body how to use them and many more advanced techniques, and conditions your mind to respond in a real life situation. It is not like Taekwondo or kickboxing that you can get a working knowledge of in half a year though, Taijichuan takes years to learn.
I think that you are caught up in the do a million fancy kicks and flips a second thing :P. Real martial arts (such as Taijichuan) teach you to use the simplist and most direct techniques whenever possible, but also have more advanced techniques for when they are not. A good Taijichuanist will simply push his opponent away and run if he has the chance.
Happens to be the only religion which hasn't caused any violence throughout its 2000+ years of history.
lol, anyone can use any religion they want as an excuse for violence if it does not preach total and uncoditional peace even when being attacked. That does not mean that the other religions are wrong, it just means that they have been exploited by wackos.
lol, anyone can use any religion they want as an excuse for violence if it does not preach total and uncoditional peace even when being attacked. That does not mean that the other religions are wrong, it just means that they have been exploited by wackos.
This is very much true and I said it in an awkward manner. What I meant to say that Buddhism hasn't ever once been used an excuse to attack other people.
lI think that you are caught up in the do a million fancy kicks and flips a second thing :P. Real martial arts (such as Taijichuan) teach you to use the simplist and most direct techniques whenever possible, but also have more advanced techniques for when they are not. A good Taijichuanist will simply push his opponent away and run if he has the chance.
Just before launching a chi-strike, but I like how you like to think big on people being beaten up ~;)
Taekwondo is the same as kickboxing in that it really really hurts, by, I quit hehe. But there is a difference in kickboxing when close you give low sweeps on the upper leg (ouch) and in Taekwondo short kicks (also ouch).
tibilicus
03-03-2009, 17:54
Learn Thai Boxing and then when he continues to give you grief floor him. Seriously Thai Boxing is perhaps the most powerful and useful fighting technique you can learn as well as serving its function as a strong all over body workout.
Obviously you want to avoid a fight if possible but if you genuinely feel threatened it may be time to fight fire with fire. Half the time these people talk the talk anyway but when it comes down to fighting they wont do anything.
Just let him know whos house it is..
Just before launching a chi-strike, but I like how you like to think big on people being beaten up ~;)
Taekwondo is the same as kickboxing in that it really really hurts, by, I quit hehe. But there is a difference in kickboxing when close you give low sweeps on the upper leg (ouch) and in Taekwondo short kicks (also ouch).
but I like how you like to think big on people being beaten up ~;)
Hmm?
Taekwondo's main defense up close is jumpback kicks, but for a variety of reasons they are normally impractical and do not work, even in controlled sparring.
I have never taken kickboxing, so my knowledge of it is limited, but I have fought a kickboxer before. When I got up close to him, he put his hands over his head crumpled. :P Heck, even Taekwondo has better defenses than that. :P Seriously though, Taijichuan is as straight forward and brutal as any martial art could be, that is why it is most effective. It teaches anyone (even the weakest of people) to use their full body strength agains the localised energy of an assailant, and use it to defeat him. I am a big guy (265lb now, but I put on some weight. Probably 230-240 without it), and I got a lot of weight to throw around, but a boxing punch with my arm a little of my waist could not even hope of defeating a 150lb taijichuanist who is using his entire body plus my own weight against me.
LOL martial arts eggsperts itt
Come disco, shall we fight?
LOL martial arts eggsperts itt
Come disco, shall we fight?
Nah, just people with a general knowledge and a little experience.
I would like to know why so many posters are ignoring edyzmedieval's stipulation that all-out combat is not an option. I take that sort of thing at face value, trusting others to understand their own situation better than I can.
Has edyzmedieval provoked the sleeping tiger of Frontroom marial arts? Why so few non-violent suggestions?
-edit-
And for the record, I studied Judo and did a fair bit of boxing in my time, and I've probably been in more real fights than a white-boy American should ever have gotten into. I've knocked others out and been knocked out myself. (A memorable experience, going to the emergency room afterward to get the splinters out of my scalp—I wasn't aware that ER docs were allowed to say, "Sorry, we're out of painkillers.") I'm no pacifist. But if a guy says "fighting is not an option" I take him at his word.
I am a big (265lb now, but I put on some weight. Probably 230-240 without it), and I got a lot of weight to throw around
Ok I don't do wookies
Nah, just people with a general knowledge and a little experience.
Nah, just some really big egos and some good and really bad advice.
I would like to know why so many posters are ignoring edyzmedieval's stipulation that all-out combat is not an option. I take that sort of thing at face value, trusting others to understand their own situation better than I can.
Has edyzmedieval provoked the sleeping tiger of Frontroom marial arts? Why so few non-violent suggestions?
-edit-
And for the record, I studied Judo and did a fair bit of boxing in my time, and I've probably been in more real fights than a white-boy American should ever have gotten into. I've knocked others out and been knocked out myself. (A memorable experience, going to the emergency room afterward to get the splinters out of my scalp—I wasn't aware that ER docs were allowed to say, "Sorry, we're out of painkillers.") I'm no pacifist. But if a guy says "fighting is not an option" I take him at his word.
lol Lemur, I gave him a nonviolent suggestion. I just said that if he has no choice and is attacked to stand up for himself if he can. I even said that if he is surrounded by that guy's buddies and that is not an option to avoid a physical confrontation. I too have been in much more than my fair share of fights (and I think I quite a bit younger than you too), that is where I have found that fighting is not the answer to everything. :P I got two teeth that are almost just stubbs that I had to have built back up, and have had quite a few injuries in my time.
Ok I don't do wookies
lol, it is not as good as it sounds, I am just really tall and have big bones, so I wiegh a lot more than I should. :P
discovery1
03-03-2009, 18:20
LOL martial arts eggsperts itt
Come disco, shall we fight?
Lemme alone, or do I need to kick you in the head? Solves all problems.
rasoforos
03-03-2009, 18:22
I would like to know why so many posters are ignoring edyzmedieval's stipulation that all-out combat is not an option. I take that sort of thing at face value, trusting others to understand their own situation better than I can.
Has edyzmedieval provoked the sleeping tiger of Frontroom marial arts? Why so few non-violent suggestions?
Too right.
Now to the main subject:
When in a forum we often forget various real world considerations...as for example age. Now prompting a 17 year old to pick up a fight...not good...more disturbing that some things I have seen in the backroom. Offering instructions on 'Zena-like' martial arts techniques...Potentially illegal.
Allies as people said. If that fails then you should consider talking to someone. Do not take abuse out of pride. Real life is not a film.
Lemme alone, or do I need to kick you in the head? Solves all problems.
You couldn't even get your leg up that high fatty. Bring it!
Too right.
Now to the main subject:
When in a forum we often forget various real world considerations...as for example age. Now prompting a 17 year old to pick up a fight...not good...more disturbing that some things I have seen in the backroom. Offering instructions on 'Zena-like' martial arts techniques...Potentially illegal.
Allies as people said. If that fails then you should consider talking to someone. Do not take abuse out of pride. Real life is not a film.
lol, not suggesting Zena like martial arts or telling him to do anything illegal. The martial arts discussion was a completely different train of thought started when Fragony dissed Asian martial arts. I was not suggesting that Edyz use Taijichuan on his antagonist.
When in a forum we often forget various real world considerations...as for example age. Now prompting a 17 year old to pick up a fight...not good...more disturbing that some things I have seen in the backroom. Offering instructions on 'Zena-like' martial arts techniques...Potentially illegal.
Allies as people said. If that fails then you should consider talking to someone. Do not take abuse out of pride. Real life is not a film.
Finally, someone posting something realistic and calling this for what it is.
Edyz:
1. You need to tell an adult or authority figure and get them involved. If this is ongoing, then you need to put the brakes on it ASAP. This is the best way by far to deal with this.
2. Friends. Don't go around without them.
3. Last and not least is awareness. You need to be aware of where you are and your situation at all times. Avoiding conflict is the best way of dealing with it. Don't go in areas or places where you could be put into a bad situation. I wouldn't try to fight anyone less you absolutely had no other choice, and if that's the case then bite and claw, fight dirty. Don't try any of that "punch him right here" stuff, you don't have the skill or training to pull it off. Best thing to do is take those legs of yours and run like hell.
4. See point 1.
Best of luck.
Hear hear!
Direct confrontation is never pleasant.
I was not suggesting that Edyz use Taijichuan on his antagonist.
But now that he knows how powerful it is, I dunno this could turn badly.
Finally, someone posting something realistic and calling this for what it is.
Edyz:
1. You need to tell an adult or authority figure and get them involved. If this is ongoing, then you need to put the brakes on it ASAP. This is the best way by far to deal with this.
2. Friends. Don't go around without them.
3. Last and not least is awareness. You need to be aware of where you are and your situation at all times. Avoiding conflict is the best way of dealing with it. Don't go in areas or places where you could be put into a bad situation. I wouldn't try to fight anyone less you absolutely had no other choice, and if that's the case then bite and claw, fight dirty. Don't try any of that "punch him right here" stuff, you don't have the skill or training to pull it off. Best thing to do is take those legs of yours and run like hell.
4. See point 1.
Best of luck.
Almost exactly what I said, lol. I could not agree more. You win every fight that you avoid. You lose just by being in one. That is what I tried to get across in my post.
edyzmedieval
03-03-2009, 19:03
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
It's surprising peer pressure and fear of repercussions have such an effect. He heard me talking on the phone with my dad and his friends told him he did a bad thing by hitting me, and all of a sudden he started apologising and even gave me a letter. The problem is that he is the biggest liar you can encounter and a coward too, you never know what would happen if he would beat you up - knife, gun...
But I guess self defence is the best thing to do. I was thinking about some of these.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
It's surprising peer pressure and fear of repercussions have such an effect. He heard me talking on the phone with my dad and his friends told him he did a bad thing by hitting me, and all of a sudden he started apologising and even gave me a letter. The problem is that he is the biggest liar you can encounter and a coward too, you never know what would happen if he would beat you up - knife, gun...
But I guess self defence is the best thing to do. I was thinking about some of these.
Bullies are always the biggest cowards. Best thing to do now Edyz is to avoid a fight with him but let him know that he cannot mess with you. Report him to whatever authority you can, and if he apologizes to you, accept his apology, but let him know that if there is a next time you will take legal action. My experiences with bullies have been older generally, but I think that advice would still be sound.
Strike For The South
03-03-2009, 19:35
Ignore him, give him no credence. Bullies usually walk away if there is no fun.
If this fails and he still persists, Get a long sock and a bar of soap, put soap in said sock then start beating the kid. After you are done tell him if he tells anyone he will spend the rest of his days eating through a straw.
I was only messed with once in all of my schooling, It was 7th grade football practice and the school bully told me to push someone into the mud I told him no and the bully grabbed my mouthpiece and threw it into said mud. I snapped pushed the bully into the mud and pushed his head down into the mud until my teammates pulled me off of him.
This story doesn't make me some time of hardcore dude, far from it. The bully was still a bully the next day but he never messed with me again he even had a grudging respect for me. I know fighting is illegal but sometimes all bullies understand is force.
But I guess self defence is the best thing to do. I was thinking about some of these.
If you have a real interest in self-defense, the quickest ways to become effective are:
Jujutsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu)
Hapkido (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapkido) (most of the cops I know study this)
Muy Thai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muy_Thai)
Boxing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing)
Any one of those, if studied and practiced with a competent instructor, will give you an ability to defend yourself in some situations.
If you have a real interest in self-defense, the quickest ways to become effective are:
Jujutsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu)
Hapkido (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapkido) (most of the cops I know study this)
Muy Thai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muy_Thai)
Boxing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing)
Any one of those, if studied and practiced with a competent instructor, will give you an ability to defend yourself in some situations.
Must agree with you on Hapkido Lemur :2thumbsup:, it is the practical side of Taekwondo. When I was trying to get a job as a bouncer, that is what everyone wanted (which is why I studied it :P) because of its practicality. Jujutsu is also a practical one, and Muy Thai can be very practical if used correctly, but I have to disagree with you about suggesting boxing. Boxing is a very impractical fighting style. It does teach you to take hits, and give some good ones back, but it does not teach you to defend yourself.
Of all that were suggested, I would say that Hapkido is probably the best for you Edyz. If I may throw my own in though, one of the most (if not the most) practicle and effective martial arts in the world is Taijichuan. It is the type that takes years to master though, not a practicle thing for your short term needs. If you are serious about pursuing a selfdefense style though, I would highly reccomend that you look into the availability of Taijichuan some time in the future.
edyzmedieval
03-03-2009, 21:04
Bullies are always the biggest cowards. Best thing to do now Edyz is to avoid a fight with him but let him know that he cannot mess with you. Report him to whatever authority you can, and if he apologizes to you, accept his apology, but let him know that if there is a next time you will take legal action. My experiences with bullies have been older generally, but I think that advice would still be sound.
Ha, he did apologise, he even wrote me a letter. Accepted his apologies for now but I'm still very wary about the future. I didn't go to higher authority (people got Disciplinary Counsil for saying swear words to other peeps on facebook!!!) yet because it's the last 3 days and it's the last thing I need, but if it continues when I come back, he's gonna mess with the school and some other people too...
DemonArchangel
03-03-2009, 21:05
This is very much true and I said it in an awkward manner. What I meant to say that Buddhism hasn't ever once been used an excuse to attack other people.
Hoooooooooooo boy. That's backroom material.
The New Che Guevara
03-03-2009, 21:17
[QUOTE=Lemur;2158370]I would like to know why so many posters are ignoring edyzmedieval's stipulation that all-out combat is not an option.QUOTE]
It's a total war website where most people if they have a problem with a faction, or a faction picks on you, you pwn them off...
It might not have been the best place to ask for advice...
Hoooooooooooo boy. That's backroom material.
Hehe, yes..let's not get any further than this. I stepped too far though, my apologies.
CountArach
03-04-2009, 00:44
Violence begets violence. Escalation is exacly what this person wants you to do.
Beefy187
03-04-2009, 01:10
If you have a real interest in self-defense, the quickest ways to become effective are:
Jujutsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu)
Hapkido (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapkido) (most of the cops I know study this)
Muy Thai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muy_Thai)
Boxing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing)
Any one of those, if studied and practiced with a competent instructor, will give you an ability to defend yourself in some situations.
Aikidou:sweatdrop:
But I don't think now is the right time to discuss this with Korean fellows..
War works like this.
If the opponent understands that it takes a high price to mess with you, they'll stop.
I'm not sure if telling on the authorities will be a good idea. Revenge on you can be deadly.
Humiliation is the last thing the bullies wants. If he is in neutral stance it can bring you two closely, but if his completely hostile then it will back fire. So funny pranks would be bad.
Staying close to the authorities or lots of friends all the time may be a good idea. But it takes effort to constantly find someone.
One of the best way are by not turning up to school. Clearly let the school know that they are bullies around and they have to deal with it. Also this takes up the "toys" away from the bullies and they could get bored.
Another thing you have to avoid is being ignored by everyone. Let everyone know that your getting bullied and you don't like it without actually telling them.
If you want to take it to the officials, make sure you write some detail report of what they did to you, each time you get bullied. Let the bullies vaguely know that you are willing to go to the authorities.
Finally the most important bit. Your parents are your allies no matter what happens. Talk to them. If your a boarder, trust the boarding masters.
Thats all I can think of.
Hire Ninjas to protect you.
Start looking for them in this thread.
If you have a real interest in self-defense, the quickest ways to become effective are:
Jujutsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu)
Hapkido (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapkido) (most of the cops I know study this)
Muy Thai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muy_Thai)
Boxing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing)
Any one of those, if studied and practiced with a competent instructor, will give you an ability to defend yourself in some situations.
I'll toss this out here as my own last $0.02 USD to this wonderful thread here.
My personal opinion is that any martial art taught by competent individuals who focus on application will benefit anyone. The main key word here is application.
Something I caught and laughed a bit about was Vuk's earlier comment about TaeKwonDo. As much as I try not to be, I also am somewhat biased against TKD due to my observation that most places that teach that are belt factories that pump out nth degree black belts in a year or two, and give black belts to 6 year old kids that can barely walk. Around here where I live, the biggest belt factories are indeed TKD places. The key here is that these places will teach you how to do your forms (katas, whatever) perfectly, throw really nice flashy kicks to the head, break bricks with your face, and all other kinds of useless crap that won't do you a whit of good on the street. The thing they do NOT teach is how to apply techniques in real world situations, and how to improvise as needed when things don't go how you want them to (the so called "OH SH" factor). It's this false sense of self confidence that lands people in the hospital or worse when someone finally does pull a knife on them and demand their cash, and they charge head first into the fray because hot damn they KNOW how to handle someone with a knife! just please stab at me this way exactly so I can pull off this disarm. Again the bottom line here is application, real application, not "this punch is used to hit someone in the face" nonsense.
Also, there is no such thing as a "superior" martial art, however there certainly are superior martial artists. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, one of the key points to becoming a good fighter is recognizing what you can and can't do within your system, training, and personal skill. Anyone who takes their training seriously will recognize this at some point.
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Megas Methuselah
03-04-2009, 03:46
I always walked around high school with my chest out and chin in the air. I must have looked intimidating or something; I was only being proud, not tough... :shrug:
Hire Ninjas to protect you.
Start looking for them in this thread.
Possible post of the week.
Also some ninjas to hire can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_NQCTbvRnM).
Togakure
03-04-2009, 03:56
A long time ago, I and some others were in a similar situation at summer camp. Just as things were getting out of hand, staff got an anonymous tip that the bully had brought illegal drugs to camp. A search of his belongings produced evidence. They had a zero tolerance for that kind of thing, and despite his repeated denial that the drugs were his, he was sent home. I'm sure his reputation as a bully didn't help him. No longer there, no longer a problem--a very smooth and convenient solution. :smiley2:
Crazed Rabbit
03-04-2009, 05:51
Lately I have been having a serious conflict with one of my classmates, which I will not discuss here in detail, but since I am out of ideas on how to deal with the person, I'm looking for alternative ideas, how do you guys take care of these interesting problems. Full out fighting would result in expulsion so i'm not even considering that.
So how do you handle it when you receive a punch in the face and then an honest "I don't regret at all what I have done" in your face afterwards? Note: this person does not understand what "leave me alone please" is.
Any ideas?
Okay, I'm guessing that that the reason this violent character hasn't been expelled himself is because you haven't told the school officials. Is that correct? Seeing as the school prevents you from defending yourself really, I don't see why not get his sorry butt kicked out. Getting your parents involved in a separate simultaneous complaint would also help. I don't know how he would go about retaliating - but you should prepare as you see necessary in that event (getting allies, learning some self defense arts).
If you don't want to do that, getting some more allies - friends - and being around them helps as well.
Lemur pointed out some good arts, and I would add Brazilian Jujitsu, which really helps with ground wrestling. You said you can't just fight this guy, but even if you never start something, knowing self defense can't hurt. Would you be expelled for something like giving this guy a good shove if he attacked you again? I think the attitude you want is you're not going to take this - it doesn't mean you fight him, but you don't just let him do as he will - you get him in trouble, for example.
Violence begets violence. Escalation is exacly what this person wants you to do.
Hmm. I've always been of the thinking that bullies didn't want a fight, they just wanted to shove people around.
CR
I'll toss this out here as my own last $0.02 USD to this wonderful thread here.
My personal opinion is that any martial art taught by competent individuals who focus on application will benefit anyone. The main key word here is application.
Something I caught and laughed a bit about was Vuk's earlier comment about TaeKwonDo. As much as I try not to be, I also am somewhat biased against TKD due to my observation that most places that teach that are belt factories that pump out nth degree black belts in a year or two, and give black belts to 6 year old kids that can barely walk. Around here where I live, the biggest belt factories are indeed TKD places. The key here is that these places will teach you how to do your forms (katas, whatever) perfectly, throw really nice flashy kicks to the head, break bricks with your face, and all other kinds of useless crap that won't do you a whit of good on the street. The thing they do NOT teach is how to apply techniques in real world situations, and how to improvise as needed when things don't go how you want them to (the so called "OH SH" factor). It's this false sense of self confidence that lands people in the hospital or worse when someone finally does pull a knife on them and demand their cash, and they charge head first into the fray because hot damn they KNOW how to handle someone with a knife! just please stab at me this way exactly so I can pull off this disarm. Again the bottom line here is application, real application, not "this punch is used to hit someone in the face" nonsense.
Also, there is no such thing as a "superior" martial art, however there certainly are superior martial artists. Every system has it's strengths and weaknesses, one of the key points to becoming a good fighter is recognizing what you can and can't do within your system, training, and personal skill. Anyone who takes their training seriously will recognize this at some point.
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lol, the first martial art I ever learned was Taekwondo, and I practice it to this day. I was lucky enough to be able to learn from an 8th Dan Han Moo Kwan Grand Master who was cross trained in Phillipino Pressure Points and involved in augmenting the US Army's hand-to-hand course. He has a very practical look on Taekwondo, knows its limitations, and teaches them. You can get a lot out of Taekwondo if you take it for the right reasons.
Also, there IS such a thing as superior and inferior martial arts. As I said, different martial arts have different purposes that they seek to fufill. So it would be accurate to say that karate is an inferior martial art FOR SELFDEFENSE than Taijichuan. Also it would be fair to say that Taijichuan is an inferior combat sport to Taekwondo. See what I mean? It all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for self defense and practical application, then Taijichuan and Hapkido are gonna be considered superior martial arts.
Beefy187
03-04-2009, 06:39
lol, the first martial art I ever learned was Taekwondo, and I practice it to this day. I was lucky enough to be able to learn from an 8th Dan Han Moo Kwan Grand Master who was cross trained in Phillipino Pressure Points and involved in augmenting the US Army's hand-to-hand course. He has a very practical look on Taekwondo, knows its limitations, and teaches them. You can get a lot out of Taekwondo if you take it for the right reasons.
Also, there IS such a thing as superior and inferior martial arts. As I said, different martial arts have different purposes that they seek to fufill. So it would be accurate to say that karate is an inferior martial art FOR SELFDEFENSE than Taijichuan. Also it would be fair to say that Taijichuan is an inferior combat sport to Taekwondo. See what I mean? It all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for self defense and practical application, then Taijichuan and Hapkido are gonna be considered superior martial arts.
If you are willing to break a couple of bones, Ninjutsu will do the job.
Its designed for assassination.. To kill. For that they are considered number one. Close second will be Aikidou.
Kendo will be nice as it will add intimidating factor if Kendo learners hold some kind of stick. Its really scary...
I have a history of ignoring bullying which I regret to this day, but I never got bullied my self even though I normally walk with a back curved, chin down, eyes looking at the ground.
edyzmedieval
03-04-2009, 11:59
I can fight with him, he's shorter than me but he's extremely violent and has some weird moves and hits you in the most inacessible places. I talked to my dad and he was extremely angry about it, he actually wanted me to take action - either you sort it out with him or the director will receive some interesting calls which he won't like.
I'll use that as a last measure. I'm also sometimes violent but I hate fighting. I fought so much back at home it wasn't even funny. And yes, self defense is the key. I don't rely on "allies" in a boarding school, everyone's on their own basically. The problem is this - he's on my floor and he persistently comes to my room to annoy me, and he knows that. I hate it when he comes in the room, and that's why he's coming...
'STOP COMMIN TO MY ROOM I SAID NO AND I MEAN IT, I LIKE GIRLS!!!'
loud enough so anyone hears it, naturally.
CountArach
03-04-2009, 12:20
Hmm. I've always been of the thinking that bullies didn't want a fight, they just wanted to shove people around.
CR
Not in my experience :shrug:
Well, if he hits you, he'll get expelled, right?
Make sure he gets expelled and the problem is solved.
Really, don't fall for all that teenage testosterone macho nonsense about fighting or martial arts.
This is not a martial arts movie, it's real life. Talk to the authorities and get the idiot expelled. That's the only just course of action. And whoever calls you a 'traitor' or a 'coward' is also an idiot because he/she sympathises with a despicable bully. Nobody should sympathise with a bully. They leave scars on people that stick for the rest of their lives.
Besides, since it's happening now, you don't have the time to master some form of martial arts. If you really must fight (but I strongly advice you not to), then one well placed kick or punch between the legs should do.
Well, if he hits you, he'll get expelled, right?
Make sure he gets expelled and the problem is solved.
Really, don't fall for all that teenage testosterone macho nonsense about fighting or martial arts.
This is not a martial arts movie, it's real life. Talk to the authorities and get the idiot expelled. That's the only just course of action. And whoever calls you a 'traitor' or a 'coward' is also an idiot because he/she sympathises with a despicable bully. Nobody should sympathise with a bully. They leave scars on people that stick for the rest of their lives.
Besides, since it's happening now, you don't have the time to master some form of martial arts. If you really must fight (but I strongly advice you not to), then one well placed kick or punch between the legs should do.
I agree with Andres on all points but one: hitting between the legs. In my experience this works 5% of the time or less. If you try to strike him between the legs and miss, you will **** him off so bad that he will mess you up really badly if he can. It works all the time in the movies, but this is not the movies. Trust me, it is not worth attempting unless your life/sexual purity is on the line, which it sounds to me like it is not in this case.
And FYI Andres, I suggested that he take martial arts for the long term, so that in situations like this in the future he will be better prepared. As I stated in my post, the most important things martial arts teach you is how to avoid fights and how to get out of them recieving and causing as little damage as possible.
Beefy187
03-04-2009, 13:00
In that case, master hypnosis or what ever which will spook him out.
If that doesn't work then use the last resort in the boarding school.. Act gay or really really weird.
If you are willing to break a couple of bones, Ninjutsu will do the job.
My teacher in Kyudo said that Ninjutsu, in the West, is rarely trained in the traditional Japanese style.
I can fight with him, he's shorter than me but he's extremely violent and has some weird moves and hits you in the most inacessible places.
I lived for years with a roommate who was a bouncer. Him and his bouncer buddies would hang out and drink in our kitchen, fascinating stories. One thing they were all cautious about: Short guys. "I'll take a big guy anytime," one of them would groan. "Them short guys get mean way faster." They even had a term for it: "short guy's disease."
The problem is this - he's on my floor and he persistently comes to my room to annoy me, and he knows that. I hate it when he comes in the room, and that's why he's coming...
This is interesting. Have you tried using humor? Sometimes a well-placed joke will do a world of good. Ask him why he's so fixated on you. There are a hundred ways you could spin it to be funny, making his time spent with you seem ridiculous. The most obvious is the play it as though he's in love with you, but there are other angles. You could start riffing on the notion that he wants to be your groupie, that he mistakenly thinks you're a rock star. There are all kinds of ways to play it.
Humor can be a huge leveler, and a fantastic way of disarming dangerous situations. If you've got a decently-developed funny-bone ...
Humor can be a huge leveler, and a fantastic way of disarming dangerous situations. If you've got a decently-developed funny-bone ...
:yes:
That and always staying calm and not getting angry or agitated yourself can do wonders.
Print out this thread and show it to the fellow, that should do the trick. In fact I'm surprised he's not in hospital already...
I lived for years with a roommate who was a bouncer. Him and his bouncer buddies would hang out and drink in our kitchen, fascinating stories. One thing they were all cautious about: Short guys. "I'll take a big guy anytime," one of them would groan. "Them short guys get mean way faster." They even had a term for it: "short guy's disease."
lol, funny that you say that. I worked as a bouncer myself for some time. It was at the joint where my girl worked. Most bullies are the short guys. They have a 'short complex'. They are short and they know it, so they think that they have something to prove. Also, the get really dirty. Not meaning to pick on any short people here or anything. :P
"A Karateka can kick the butt of a Judoka, yet no tthe one of a MuayThai fighter"- kinda discussions are pointless and don´t help. We ain´t playing Streetfighter II here gentlemen. Every school/ art has it´s pros and cons. I chose to do Shotokan Karate for years, one of my friends did Ninjitsu...who cares, as long as one likes it....fighting on the streets always sucks.
2 edyz: Read some Macchiavelli and kick his behind diplomatic style. Spread rumours about him [dirty, yet efficient], do little guerilla attacks [e.g. target his locker], win allies, try to avoid the sucker!
Yoyoma1910
03-04-2009, 16:09
lol, funny that you say that. I worked as a bouncer myself for some time. It was at the joint where my girl worked. Most bullies are the short guys. They have a 'short complex'. They are short and they know it, so they think that they have something to prove. Also, the get really dirty. Not meaning to pick on any short people here or anything. :P
Don't worry buddy. Just don't show up in South Louisiana.
Or you'll be surrounded by a bunch of really short people with short cousins that have alligator farms.
:clown:
Napoleon himself, the emperor of short people with complexes, was even supposed to retire here, but then he realized he would be one of the tallest people in the state. And there's nothing he hated more than a man with a worse Napoleon complex than himself.
2 edyz: Read some Macchiavelli and kick his behind diplomatic style. Spread rumours about him [dirty, yet efficient], do little guerilla attacks [e.g. target his locker], win allies, try to avoid the sucker!
Try to end the conflict, not make it worst. The best way to avoid a fight is to have no enemies. Do not antagonise a psycho bully.
Try to end the conflict, not make it worst. The best way to avoid a fight is to have no enemies. Do not antagonise a psycho bully.
U sure are right Vuk! 2Edyz: stick with Lao Tze, not with Macchiavelli. Just try to avoid the sucker!
Somebody Else
03-04-2009, 19:58
Just ignore whatever he does, and if he persists, hit back verbally... 'Why are you bothering me..? Oh, I see... sorry, I don't swing that way. Thanks though.' &c.
Never initiate something, and avoid rising to the bait. If he throws a punch, dodge it if you can, or just roll with it. Don't hit back. At most, see if you can't pick up some grappling techniques and put him, briefly, into a stress position. (This is assuming you can out-muscle him, if you can't, don't even bother). This is just to show him that you could hurt him, but can't be bothered/are a better man.
If you keep ignoring him, he'll get bored and bother someone else. If the only way he can bully you is physically, he won't be bright enough to stand up to you verbally.
Adrian II
03-04-2009, 20:10
Yeah but that's not going to keep him away.Seconded.
Pop his nose first, only then will you get allies.
U sure are right Vuk! 2Edyz: stick with Lao Tze, not with Macchiavelli. Just try to avoid the sucker!
Machiavelli is so often misunderstood, one of the greatest thinkers of the renaissance :no:
Uesugi Kenshin
03-04-2009, 21:47
Machiavelli is so often misunderstood, one of the greatest thinkers of the renaissance :no:
Yup. The man really didn't believe that most of the stuff in The Prince was good. From what I've heard, and from my readings of The Prince and my professor's comments it sounds like he was more of a Republican if anything. I should probably read his other works before becoming too convinced of that though.
Machiavelli is so often misunderstood, one of the greatest thinkers of the renaissance :no:
And what, exactly, is wrong with a little less suffering in the world?
Machiavelli is so often misunderstood, one of the greatest thinkers of the renaissance :no:
Finally someone who sticks up for Machiavelli! :2thumbsup: He talked about the warlike popes, so the church villanized him, and he has since been blamed for all of humanities problems (him and Bush :P).
And what, exactly, is wrong with a little less suffering in the world?
Machiavelli believed in good government, he was a humanist. He doesn't say a ruler should be ruthless, he says a ruler should keep a clear head, often misunderstood. You have to see it in the context of the time, the idea of how an ideal leader should act.
edyzmedieval
03-05-2009, 08:04
Ok, so what do you do when a person threatens you with a crowbar because he heard some lies, and then deeply apologises for what he has done 20 mins later?
He is one unstable person...
Somebody Else
03-05-2009, 09:42
Ok, so what do you do when a person threatens you with a crowbar because he heard some lies, and then deeply apologises for what he has done 20 mins later?
He is one unstable person...
Sounds a little more than your common or garden everyday bully. Disregard my earlier comment about trying to roll with the hits, from a crowbar, that's not gonna work so well (we've all played Half-Life). Stay well clear of him, hopefully someone will get him some help, because he sounds psychotic, but I'd hate to be the guy that tells him he needs it.
Adrian II
03-05-2009, 13:12
Psycho shmycko. This is normal behaviour among kids, even among adults, if left unchecked. It's a turf fight. Girls do it sneakily, boys violently. Probably half of this guy wants you to cave it to his intimidation, the other half of him wants you to fight back, be his equal, maybe even become friends with him. Stranger things have happened.
But you have to pop his nose.
Machiavelli believed in good government, he was a humanist. He doesn't say a ruler should be ruthless, he says a ruler should keep a clear head, often misunderstood. You have to see it in the context of the time, the idea of how an ideal leader should act.
That is how I understood his writings. Keep cool and weigh out risks and opportunities of your actions. I loved to read his bboks, esp. considering the historical examples he uses.
Wasn´t it supposed to be a kind of educational work/ royal paedagogy writing?
Edyz: This sounds really like a unstable and neurotic/ psychotic person....try to stay away from that guy!
Kagemusha
03-05-2009, 16:01
Edyz. Just think what you are ready to sustain in order to get him to stop. For different people, the limits are different. You have to ask yourself are you ready to put yourself in situation where you can get damaged and do you think you can cope in such situation, other then getting yourself hurt?
Other way is to tell the school authorities what this person has been doing. If there are such harsh rules in your school, maybe messing around with crowbar in hand is enoguh to get suspended or kicked out. If you go down that road, you have to consider can you handle the social pressure, if people start saying that you ratted that guy out.
The situation is not much more different, then for example: If you see a guy on the road kicking your car. Will you go and punch his lights outs and put yourself to risk of being beaten, or will you call the cops?
My advice is that if you think you cant punch that guys lights out, it would be better to talk to authorities. In the end it could be better to do that in any case. Violence should only be reserved in situations where all other options are spent.
Ok, so what do you do when a person threatens you with a crowbar because he heard some lies, and then deeply apologises for what he has done 20 mins later?
He is one unstable person...
Edyz, if that guy threatens you with a crowbar, that means that he is completely unhinged. Please do not fall for the advice some have given about 'busting his nose' and such, I am shocked that someone would give you that advice, as there is no way that that could end well.
If the guy could threaten you with a crowbar on minute, then 20 minutes later apologise, that means he is extremely impulsive, and could very well do things on a moments notice that he would not do if he gave them any thought. Edyz, I know that it feels very bad to get someone in trouble and see them kicked out of school, but you gotta do it. This guy is a nut Edyz, and it would be good for you and everyone else at the school who he may also be threatening/abusing.
Best of wishes to you,
Vuk
But you have to pop his nose.
Maybe the worst advice I've ever seen on the Internets. And that's including the guy who recommended putting your cat in the washing machine.
It's impossible for any of us to understand the details of your situation, edyz, but when people bring cranially-deforming metal objects into the equation, it's time to seek adult supervision. There are teachers, proctors and parents. Use them.
Maybe the worst advice I've ever seen on the Internets. And that's including the guy who recommended putting your cat in the washing machine.
It's impossible for any of us to understand the details of your situation, edyz, but when people bring cranially-deforming metal objects into the equation, it's time to seek adult supervision. There are teachers, proctors and parents. Use them.
2nded
Togakure
03-05-2009, 20:12
What's done is done. The goal now is to mitigate further incidents. One thing you can do is discreetly inform an authority (one that has the power and inclination to do something if another incident occurs) about what has happened and about your concern. If nothing else, it will heighten awareness and scrutiny. After that, keep your nose completely clean, avoid the guy as much as possible, and go about your business.
Another, similar approach is to mention to your parents, who are paying the school for you education, that things are fine except that your ability to focus on studies is being significantly impacted by this guy. If they approach the school authorities instead of you, it will likely carry more weight because they control what the school wants from you (money).
If these approaches are ineffective, a more creative solution may be necessary. As Kagemusha wrote, what are you willing to do (officer Jimmy Malone in "the Untouchables")? Whatever you do, don't do it half-ass. Sometimes a more extreme solution becomes necessary, as I indirectly suggested in my previous post. If so, think "out of the box," and go "over the top." Direct confrontation has its merits, but not in the environment you're in. There are other ways. Win without fighting.
Don't waste any more time and energy than you need to on it; think things through, cover all your bases (a baseball term), take decisive action, then let it go and focus on work and fun. Life's too short to be consumed by such things.
Edit - saw this after posting:
... Girls do it sneakily, boys violently. ...
Imo, this is macho, sexist bologna. Win. Period.
That is how I understood his writings. Keep cool and weigh out risks and opportunities of your actions. I loved to read his bboks, esp. considering the historical examples he uses.
Wasn´t it supposed to be a kind of educational work/ royal paedagogy writing?
Not sure if he wrote it for that purpose, it reads like it, I think it's more of an attack on the early humanist views of what makes a good leader, that a leader should love his people and be generous and all that stuff.
edit: must be an attack, book is called 'The Prince' but Florence was a republic, and they were very proud of being a republic.
Rhyfelwyr
03-05-2009, 23:27
I lived for years with a roommate who was a bouncer. Him and his bouncer buddies would hang out and drink in our kitchen, fascinating stories. One thing they were all cautious about: Short guys. "I'll take a big guy anytime," one of them would groan. "Them short guys get mean way faster." They even had a term for it: "short guy's disease."
Over here we call that "wee man's syndrome". There's nothing funnier than an angry midget. :laugh4:
Adrian II
03-06-2009, 14:06
Maybe the worst advice I've ever seen on the Internets. And that's including the guy who recommended putting your cat in the washing machine.
It's impossible for any of us to understand the details of your situation, edyz, but when people bring cranially-deforming metal objects into the equation, it's time to seek adult supervision. There are teachers, proctors and parents. Use them.This is what is wrong with education in our day and age. Every little confrontation, even if only verbal, is blown way out of proportion.
This is the reason why police officer are called into schoolyards to separate fighting kids. It's the reason why a five-year-old boy gets therapy for kissing a five-year-old girl in class (oh, teh bully, teh sekshull harassment!).
Let's not be silly. Kids threaten eachtoher with all sorts of things. I've had worse threats than a crow-bar. I popped noses for less and I had mine popped as well for being a bully sometimes. It clears the air.
Kagemusha
03-06-2009, 16:54
This is what is wrong with education in our day and age. Every little confrontation, even if only verbal, is blown way out of proportion.
This is the reason why police officer are called into schoolyards to separate fighting kids. It's the reason why a five-year-old boy gets therapy for kissing a five-year-old girl in class (oh, teh bully, teh sekshull harassment!).
Let's not be silly. Kids threaten eachtoher with all sorts of things. I've had worse threats than a crow-bar. I popped noses for less and I had mine popped as well for being a bully sometimes. It clears the air.
So you would like to put Edyz on harms way because you had some success in your school yard brawls? How do you know his capabilities in the situation you would like to put him, or do you just want to shrug and tell him that if it would be you, you would show that bully his place in no time?
This is what is wrong with education in our day and age. Every little confrontation, even if only verbal, is blown way out of proportion.
I'd agree to an extent.
This is the reason why police officer are called into schoolyards to separate fighting kids. It's the reason why a five-year-old boy gets therapy for kissing a five-year-old girl in class (oh, teh bully, teh sekshull harassment!).
The cops being called is due to liability and lawsuits, which is unfortunate. It can and does happen.
Let's not be silly. Kids threaten eachtoher with all sorts of things. I've had worse threats than a crow-bar. I popped noses for less and I had mine popped as well for being a bully sometimes. It clears the air.
This last bit is where you fall off the boat big time and make a huge splat. Kids in conflict, be it verbal or physical, is not uncommon and happens all the time, kids will be kids aye? However, both now and when I was growing up 20 some years ago, one kid threatening another with ANY kind of weapon was/is a very serious matter, and needs to be dealt with very swiftly and decisively through appropriate measures. Kids getting mad and popping each other in the nose, or the occasional shoving match or heated words isn't unusual, and often doesn't get too serious. Threatening someone with a deadly weapon like a crowbar, knife, bat, or what have you, no matter the intent, is an extremely eggregious, serious criminal act that goes far above what kind of damage can be done with a 8 or even 15 year old's fist or foot. Fisticuffs can and do happen, and depending on how serious sometimes warrants adult intervention. Weapons, be they a threatening measure or god forbid actually used, are a completely new ballgame and that crap needs to be squashed immediately.
I'd agree to an extent.
The cops being called is due to liability and lawsuits, which is unfortunate. It can and does happen.
This last bit is where you fall off the boat big time and make a huge splat. Kids in conflict, be it verbal or physical, is not uncommon and happens all the time, kids will be kids aye? However, both now and when I was growing up 20 some years ago, one kid threatening another with ANY kind of weapon was/is a very serious matter, and needs to be dealt with very swiftly and decisively through appropriate measures. Kids getting mad and popping each other in the nose, or the occasional shoving match or heated words isn't unusual, and often doesn't get too serious. Threatening someone with a deadly weapon like a crowbar, knife, bat, or what have you, no matter the intent, is an extremely eggregious, serious criminal act that goes far above what kind of damage can be done with a 8 or even 15 year old's fist or foot. Fisticuffs can and do happen, and depending on how serious sometimes warrants adult intervention. Weapons, be they a threatening measure or god forbid actually used, are a completely new ballgame and that crap needs to be squashed immediately.
What he said exactly. When someone is threatening you with a crowbar, that is no time to go trying to prove something in a fist fight. That is the time to get legal intervention ASAP! Do you know what a crowbar can do to someone?
Rhyfelwyr
03-06-2009, 23:00
Yep if weapons become involved get out of there immediately. :yes:
Beefy187
03-07-2009, 00:55
My high schools boarding house used to have baseball bats few years back.
Good thing I didn't see those around in my time.
Young ones are observing the old. And they will learn what is right and what is not right.
Adrian II
03-07-2009, 03:11
Well, was he threatening with a crowbar in hand, or was he threatenig to go and get a crowbar? I understood it was latter. Kids will say all sorts of things.
If someone is schlepping a crowbar around in school and threatening to use it, I agree that edyzmedieval should see some superior and have the issue adressed. I am amazed that someone hasn't yet done that. And if no one does, edyzmedieval will have to defend himself.
But if the guy is just a bully who makes all sorts of threats like I got the impression he was, I stick to my recipe. Fist, nose, end of story.
pevergreen
03-07-2009, 09:56
We ain´t playing Streetfighter II here gentlemen.
Speak for yourself. Just give him a heavy punch shoryuken, followed by a sin shoryuken. That'll teach him.
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