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gammager2
03-04-2009, 02:52
ive noticed there are almost no threads on the ptolemaioi and i wanted to know if anyone besides me plays as the ptolemaioi, EB has the best egyptian campaign of any mod ive played, and ive downloaded quite a few. there units are amazing, especially the iudaioi taxeis, which are my favorite units in the game and the only faction they fight against is the AS in the beginning.
Aemilius Paulus
03-04-2009, 02:56
Well, you can do a Forum Search. Do you know how, or would you like me to explain? That is usually the best way to find this kind of info. :yes:
Most of what is here has already been said ad done. Long-timers get bored posting the same long posts repeatedly, and since they have the best information, then yes, I would suggest a Forum Search.
A Very Super Market
03-04-2009, 02:58
Also, the Ptolemaioi are redunkulously easy, at least in non-BI.
Ptolemaioi seem to get alot of bashing from this board. I like them though. The units are very cool-
A Very Super Market
03-04-2009, 03:00
Well, they are extremely annoying. More often than not, they will swallow up the AS, and instead of fighting a fairly large faction, you now have to fight an EXTREMELY large faction.
gammager2
03-04-2009, 03:02
im no stranger to the forums, i just finally got around to registering and posting. i did a forum search a while ago, and i dont recall getting much. it might have beeb on the TWC forums, but i have not seen much on the ptolemaioi on any of the forums:egypt:
gammager2
03-04-2009, 03:11
Ptolemaioi seem to get alot of bashing from this board. I like them though. The units are very cool-
Amen. they're a fairly good introduction into EB, even though all of my introductions to mods are done via a Roman campaign, which is normally brief, since i cant stand to play romans for some reason.
its probably the time i spent w/ vanilla RTW and BI. most of my campaigns now center on pontus, iberia, ptolemaics, thrace, and sometimes greece. unfortunately, pontus blows in EB and the Lusotannon are supposedly only for EB veterans, so i havent gotten around to either.
im no stranger to the forums, i just finally got around to registering and posting. i did a forum search a while ago, and i dont recall getting much. it might have beeb on the TWC forums, but i have not seen much on the ptolemaioi on any of the forums:egypt:
That's probably because they are better known as the Yellow Death. :egypt:
Anyway, I love the Ptolemaioi. People say that they have an easy starting position . . .well, so do the Romans, Epirotes, and Carthaginians. And it can't be helped that Ptolemy Soter was a mastermind.
seienchin
03-04-2009, 06:29
The ptollis have really cool Units, but they are annoying as hell to have as enemies cause they always atack Lepki all the time and force you to destroy them completly to stop their atacks...:book:
MButcher
03-04-2009, 06:42
I absolutely love the Ptolemaioi as a faction, the only gripe I have is that the income they get from farming is nowhere near as large as it was in reality.
They've got a very good unit roster but their recruitment area sucks for those units that would make me want to play them (galatians, agema etc.) this kinda puts me off them a bit. Still might play them next after my pontos campaign.
the only faction they fight against is the AS in the beginning.
Thats why I dont like them very much. They basically fight the AS the entire campaign. I suppose you could fight the Carthies, and maybe some of the other eastern factions if you expand that far.
It's no dig at the EB team; it is the best Egypt campaign I've ever played, but they just arent the best faction in the game, to play with or against.
Thats why I dont like them very much. They basically fight the AS the entire campaign. I suppose you could fight the Carthies, and maybe some of the other eastern factions if you expand that far.
It's no dig at the EB team; it is the best Egypt campaign I've ever played, but they just arent the best faction in the game, to play with or against.
Well its a good faction if you want to jump right into a major conflict.
Personally like them for a large starter, position is a teensy bit more secure then the Seleukids and you don't have to worry about your Satrapies rebelling on you while your armies are busy.
Though if your overly good at EB then you'll probably have to give yourself some house rules to pace yourself.
Yeah, they are probably the jump from Rome/Carthage for beginner EBers. They can easily have a secure economy and they are one of the most secure factions in the game, besides Casse and the Sweboz
Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
03-05-2009, 18:27
... and the Lusotannan are supposedly only for EB veterans, so i havent gotten around to either.
I strongly disagree that the Spanish are for veterans only...... While I am a veteran, I am playing them for the first time ever on H/M and have taken all of Iberia within 50 years. I'm trying to RP this one, which is new for me, so I'm taking it slower than normal. I have found that the only truly difficult phase yet was to conquer Numantia and the scripted full stack that spawns when you set foot in the province.
I am using some house rules, such as using the "add_money # Lusotannan" cheat to get out of the insane negative number debt (only bringing myself up to '0' treasury balance). I RP this by saying that the farming and small trade based economy doesn't allow for money borrowing and so therefore my tribe would never obtain a real life debt like that.
With my army afield sucking money from the treasury, I RP that it just symbolizes all of the able bodied men not working on anything back home, so no money is being raised - just the bare necessities from women, children, and the elderly tending the fields and producing urgent goods, etc. This also means that I usually don't have the money to build anything or repair/retrain troops during lengthy campaigns.
When my armies are disbanded/return to their cities and the men resume their jobs, I allow the economy to grow normally (still never allowing it to go below zero), RPing that with the return to normalcy, a period of economic growth and tax collection/tribute begins anew.
I highly suggest you give them a try, even though their victory requirement of conquering Ireland seems ridiculous to me. Afterall, this isn't the same group of Spaniards who landed there and were captured during Elizabethan times.
I dont think those Spaniards left with the goal of conquering Ireland anyway...
I don't really like the Luso campaign, although the reason people think it's so hard is down to the fact they are something like -8000 in debt from the beginning. I don't like them because once they've united Iberia I don't really see much of a realistic expansion for them. I mean, southern Gaul, yes, maybe, possibly even a trip across the strait of Gibralter, but apart from that?
Maion Maroneios
03-05-2009, 19:45
ive noticed there are almost no threads on the ptolemaioi and i wanted to know if anyone besides me plays as the ptolemaioi, EB has the best egyptian campaign of any mod ive played, and ive downloaded quite a few. there units are amazing, especially the iudaioi taxeis, which are my favorite units in the game and the only faction they fight against is the AS in the beginning.
Yes the Ptolemaioi is a nice faction to play. Quite easy, that's true, but they are a good faction whatsoever.
Maion
I strongly disagree that the Spanish are for veterans only...... While I am a veteran, I am playing them for the first time ever on H/M and have taken all of Iberia within 50 years. I'm trying to RP this one, which is new for me, so I'm taking it slower than normal. I have found that the only truly difficult phase yet was to conquer Numantia and the scripted full stack that spawns when you set foot in the province.
I am using some house rules, such as using the "add_money # Lusotannan" cheat to get out of the insane negative number debt (only bringing myself up to '0' treasury balance). I RP this by saying that the farming and small trade based economy doesn't allow for money borrowing and so therefore my tribe would never obtain a real life debt like that.
With my army afield sucking money from the treasury, I RP that it just symbolizes all of the able bodied men not working on anything back home, so no money is being raised - just the bare necessities from women, children, and the elderly tending the fields and producing urgent goods, etc. This also means that I usually don't have the money to build anything or repair/retrain troops during lengthy campaigns.
When my armies are disbanded/return to their cities and the men resume their jobs, I allow the economy to grow normally (still never allowing it to go below zero), RPing that with the return to normalcy, a period of economic growth and tax collection/tribute begins anew.
I highly suggest you give them a try, even though their victory requirement of conquering Ireland seems ridiculous to me. Afterall, this isn't the same group of Spaniards who landed there and were captured during Elizabethan times.
lol How can you say that the Lusotanna are easy if you use add_money? After all the debt why they're difficult.
Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
03-05-2009, 21:20
lol How can you say that the Lusotanna are easy if you use add_money? After all the debt why they're difficult.
The debt is unrealistic, all it does is make the game longer, not harder.
Sure, you could disband your entire army and slowly build up your economy; but what civilizations in the real world had no defenses whatsoever? And even if you went on to conquer multiple cities with your original army and then waited for the cash to bring you back into the black, all it does make the game take longer.
It's a hardcoded failure of the monetary concept to begin with. If the game could have been written to have different economic styles or systems based on historical realities, then yes, I would say using "add_money" would certainly be a cheat; but as the game stands now, it's no different than how other players use the cheat to check the expansions of AI factions.
The debt is unrealistic, all it does is make the game longer, not harder.
Sure, you could disband your entire army and slowly build up your economy; but what civilizations in the real world had no defenses whatsoever? And even if you went on to conquer multiple cities with your original army and then waited for the cash to bring you back into the black, all it does make the game take longer.
It's a hardcoded failure of the monetary concept to begin with. If the game could have been written to have different economic styles or systems based on historical realities, then yes, I would say using "add_money" would certainly be a cheat; but as the game stands now, it's no different than how other players use the cheat to check the expansions of AI factions.
You have some good points, but your calling the Lusotani an easy faction is based on your house rules, not vanilla EB.
Heh, Ive played a luso campaign without using add_money, though I did play at M/M because I've heard that higher difficulty levels just increase the amount of stacks getting thrown at you.
It wasn't hard, just downsize the army and take things slow. (IIRC) Its not one of those factions you can't just goonswarm everything. If it takes you to 150 BC to secure Iberia then it takes you to 150 BC to secure Iberia, all the better since it gives time for the other factions to expand.
Pontos is harder.
seienchin
03-06-2009, 01:54
I think so too. Lusothanians have at least better troops than their neighbour empires, but Pontos even sucks at that...
V.T. Marvin
03-06-2009, 08:39
I know that this is litle bit off topic, but I have to disagree on the claim that Pontos has worse troops than other empires. Consider this:
Cavalry:
Khuveshahagan - probably the best cavalry in the game, heavy enough, yet fast and excellent stamina
Lonchoporoi Hippeis - good enough greek heavies
Thraikioi Hippeis - very fast and versatile, not bad chargers too
Gallic Heavies - equivalent of Brihentin recruitable in Galatia
Scythed Chariots - excellent anti-cavalry weapon, good to take down AI generals and rout troops by sheer panic. Somewhat difficult to handle, though, yet managable once you get skilled with them.
- in all, the near-best the Hellenes, Keltoi and Persians have to offer
Infantry:
Naked fanatics - nuff said
Tabargane eranshar and Kappadocian Axemen - do not underestimate these: very cheap, yet effective against endless phalanx stacks. (BTW - I have done a custom battle: 2 Tabargane vs 1 AS Agyrapides and tried to penetrate THROUGH this elite phalanx. Know what? They just cut the phalanx to pieces after the first unit went through and the second one continued to cleave it from within...)
Hoplitai, Theureoporoi, Peltasts - usual Hellenic stuff
Pontic Thorakitai - essentially Polybian Principes with nice skin :beam:
- in all, the near-best the Hellenes, Keltoi and Persians have to offer
Archers:
Caucasian Archers, Sarmatian Foot Archers and Persian Archers - cheap, long-range, excellent field troop, unbeatable garrisons (if on stone walls)
Syrian Archers, Theureporontes Toxotai, Persian Heavy Archers, Toxotai Kretikoi - all the best archers in the game: long-range, partially armoured, capable to deal with the enemy missile troops and even to join melee when out of ammo
- in all, the best the Hellenes, Nomads and Persians have to offer
Phalanx:
Pantodapoi Phalangitai - cheap and effective for most practical purposes, wide recruitment area
Pontic Chalkaspidai - elite phalanx (at least comparable to Pezhetairoi, if not better) if you are into it
- in all: no capability shortfall in this regard either!
Yes, Pontos is difficult, but it is fun. Te central position means a lot of different enemies you have to face and the steady challenge late into the game.
You can roleplay alliance of four different people fielding four types of armies each with its distinct fighting style: The Persians, The Greeks, The Thracians and The Gauls.
Pontos start as a dwarf beset by great powers. Right. But it has the potential to become a superpower itself, which is precisely what TW games are about. Deffinitely my favourite faction!
The result - you never get bored with them:yes:
Tollheit
03-06-2009, 10:24
I highly suggest you give them a try, even though their victory requirement of conquering Ireland seems ridiculous to me.
I disagree, I think it is one of the most fitting victory requirements in all of EB.
My only gripe is that Wales is not included.
seienchin
03-06-2009, 10:42
I know that this is litle bit off topic, but I have to disagree on the claim that Pontos has worse troops than other empires.
I never said that...
But as a matter of fact their troops are not better than the seleucid troops. They share most units, but the seleucid can also have more eastern locals, horse archers and Cataphracts.
The lusothanian have their medium spearman, atack infantry and uber skirmishers, which are just far better than roman, celtic or karthagenian troops of the same group.
So when you play lusothanian campagn you have at least some advantages over your neighbours, which you theoreticly do not have as pontos.:dizzy2:
By the way I fighting the ptollis right now and my goodness they bought all of the north african mercenaries in 2 turns....:furious3:
Maion Maroneios
03-06-2009, 11:43
To the moderators: I understand you're sick of my spamming, but you can just limit to deleting posts that actually contain spam. I will stop spamming like this (I admit I'm spamming too much lately), but if this happens again (because this is not the only time you've deleted non-spam posts of mine) I will have to take actions myself too. Don't take this as a threat or warning, but I don't like people who use a power that's given to them in any way they deem fit.
Maion
Krusader
03-06-2009, 11:50
To the moderators: I understand you're sick of my spamming, but you can just limit to deleting posts that actually contain spam. I will stop spamming like this (I admit I'm spamming too much lately), but if this happens again (because this is not the only time you've deleted non-spam posts of mine) I will have to take actions myself too. Don't take this as a threat or warning, but I don't like people who use a power that's given to them in any way they deem fit.
Maion
If you have problems with the moderating, PM the local moderators directly.
If you have problems with the local moderators, PM a ORG moderator or report them.
Maion Maroneios
03-06-2009, 12:09
Nope, because they gave no word to me as well. So I'm doing this in public. Plus, I don't know who did it.
EDIT: I also posted a non-spam reply on this thread, which was deleted for some reason.
Maion
I also posted a non-spam reply on this thread, which was deleted for some reason.
Maion
Can you at least repost it? Maybe a mistake was made, maybe not. If they delete it again then I'd guess you said something they didn't like, if its not deleted then we all get to enjoy your pearls of wisdom.
Atraphoenix
03-07-2009, 06:21
Well, they are extremely annoying. More often than not, they will swallow up the AS, and instead of fighting a fairly large faction, you now have to fight an EXTREMELY large faction.
Think about Pahlava :no: You have no choice to breathe until you send AS to the west of The Euphrates.
A Very Super Market
03-07-2009, 06:45
Pahlava usually get embroiled with Baktria/Saka
They aren't too hard.
Nope, because they gave no word to me as well. So I'm doing this in public. Plus, I don't know who did it.
EDIT: I also posted a non-spam reply on this thread, which was deleted for some reason.
Maion
MAA did it. The reason he gave was "Off-topic". I imagine that also the offensive posts that followed (from several people) contributed.
Maion Maroneios
03-09-2009, 10:48
Well, it wasn't. He asked about the Ptolemaioi, I gave my oppinion. Is that considered off-topic?
Maion
Not in itself I guess. The ensuing Jew discussion was definitely. I can understand that MAA removed the whole off-topic discussion including its initial spark, to avoid it turning up again. I've restored your post and removed that bit. Hope this is good enough for you.
Maion Maroneios
03-09-2009, 17:31
I don't really mind, but ok. See your point also.
Maion
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