NI gunmen kill two, injure four.

[tibilicus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7930995.stm

No Prizes for any guesses as the who's behind this..


This clearly demonstrates that the ridiculous payout scheme advised by some commission board or other a couple of months back simply isn't ready to be implemented. And the only people who support the scheme still going ahead? Gerry Adams and co, I wonder why?

Is it just me or these days does it seem the unionists are the ones who are getting the sour deal whilst those who would forcibly want to separate a province away from a country against the wishes of the majority seem to have politicians bending over backwards to try and please them.

Let's just hope the scum that committed this are brought to justice, maybe it's time the republicans let go..

[InsaneApache]

No Prizes for any guesses as the who's behind this..

That well known Irish nationalist Al Kayeda? :inquisitive:

[rory_20_uk]

So, since Southern Ireland can't control their terrorists, I imagine that the UK should invade using cluster bombs to the fore. They're asking for it, after all...

~:smoking:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Westminster doesn't give a :daisy: about Ulster any more, they'll cave in to IRA terrorists just like they do with Muslim extremists.

[InsaneApache]

I've just read that the army bases are guarded by armed civilians. WTF is that all about? It seems the so called guards didn't fire one shot back at the gunmen, not one! Even as the gunmen were stood over their victims shooting into them, the guards just stood and watched.

Since when did the army need armed guards? Why aren't the army guarding themselves? It's typical of the UK these days. No common sense.

[rory_20_uk]

I've just read that the army bases are guarded by armed civilians. WTF is that all about? It seems the so called guards didn't fire one shot back at the gunmen, not one! Even as the gunmen were stood over their victims shooting into them, the guards just stood and watched.

Since when did the army need armed guards? Why aren't the army guarding themselves? It's typical of the UK these days. No common sense.

You're not applying MOD logic:

We need to have troops to fight other people's wars in a different continent
The pay and conditions in the army are so dreadful that although employment is rocketing, people still aren't signing up.
As we need the troops to fight abroad a la Hamburger Hill we need to reduce "needed" numbers in the UK
If defending bases can be done without soldiers there's probably a few hundred that can be freed up from guarding the UK to dying abroad.

~:smoking:

[Sir Moody]

Close rory but i think the logic is more like:

Soldiers are payed reasonable well
Security Guards are payed penuts
therefore using soldiers to guard gates is too expensive - we should use security guards instead

[Furunculus]

So, since Southern Ireland can't control their terrorists, I imagine that the UK should invade using cluster bombs to the fore. They're asking for it, after all...

~:smoking:

now now, that is crass trolling given our previous discussion, especially when i specifically used NI as an example where nation states use concepts such as restraint and judgement in their dealing.

[FactionHeir]

So, since Southern Ireland can't control their terrorists, I imagine that the UK should invade using cluster bombs to the fore. They're asking for it, after all...

~:smoking:

:laugh: Prizeless

[rory_20_uk]

:laugh: Prizeless

Priceless?? ~;)

~:smoking:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Beyond sad, this.

Nobody supports these bastards anymore. They represent nobody. They are not fighting against something that even remotely can be described as tyrannical.
Like ETA, one has to wonder where politically motivated terrorism turns into murder motivated by a simple urge to murder.

[tibilicus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7933990.stm



Another day another murder.

Looks like the hard line republicans are wanting trouble again. Let's just hope the PSNI and the Army if need be can deal with them ASAP.

These scum need to know they're not wanted in NI.

[Fragony]

How they have missed it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article5877219.ece

[InsaneApache]

Another shot dead, this time a copper. I really hope the whole thing doesn't come unravelled. I remember the signs in pubs about unattended bags and stuff, we really don't want to go there again.

Still the introduction of ID cards should help...........not!

[Husar]

Still the introduction of ID cards should help...........not!

I don't really see the problem with ID cards after you're had CCTV for a while now.
I think we've had ID cards since I was born and probably before, they're only used to check my age when I want vodka and things like that, I only get concerns when they are fitted with those RFID chips that can be read electronically from miles away, sort of.

Concerning the actual topic, of course the solution is to keep things the way they are and it seems most people have grasped that. When the terrorists feel their terror isn't really terrifying then they will hopefully stop. If you can get them via normal police work in the meantime, that's even better of course.

[LittleGrizzly]

I don't really see the problem with ID cards after you're had CCTV for a while now.

One step closer....

Just because we are used to one invasion of our privacy we should accept another ?

Are your ID cards issued by the country to everyone ?

With ours i hear you have to have one and carry it around with you, i refuse on principle... and for any other reason that could come in handy...

[Husar]

Just because we are used to one invasion of our privacy we should accept another ?

No, I'd just expect you to complain more about the worse of the two instead of the new one that i find much less invading. Carrying around your credit card means your bank is invading your privacy?
Hey, it's in your pocket and noone can see it if it's just a card, so I don't see how that is invading, unless it can be read from afar, like RFID.


Are your ID cards issued by the country to everyone ?
I think you have to go there and apply for one, it also costs a bit. I'm not sure whether they're mandatory but I don't think I know anyone who doesn't have one, except those younger than 16.


With ours i hear you have to have one and carry it around with you, i refuse on principle... and for any other reason that could come in handy...
Well, so how do you do age checks in stores?
Driver's license is a bad excuse because I don't have one and it costs <1000EUR here, the ID card is just 20 or so. If you want to buy alcohol in our fuel station I will have to ask you for your ID, the ID card or driver's license works with the ID being the cheaper one. I have customers who got neither with them but claim they're driving a car, technically I'm not allowed to sell them alcohol or cigarettes then and driving without driver's license is illegal.

I don't really see the problem with the police being able to stop you and check your ID and driver's license either, big deal if some policeman knows my name and where I live, I have to give the same info to my landlord, my internet service provider, my bank, my parents, my friends, my "friends", several companies I order from online etc etc. If you want to live in a society you cannot keep everything secret and usually I'd expect the police to be least likely to misuse that information, I could rather see my ISP sign me up for spam mail than the police. :sweatdrop:

Of course I wouldn't want to give it to a random stranger on the street but the compnaies i mentioned are even more strangers to me than a policeman on the street. Besides, I've never had a policeman ask for my ID so far.

Now in the US I might be a bit more concerned, with 75% of their police force being armed thugs who eat babies but that's a different situation altogether, didn't know Britain's police had the same problems.

By the way, I always have mine in my wallet, together with my credit card and a few other cards and my money.
I know someone could steal it and cause trouble, but they could cause trouble with almost anything inside and if I leave it all at home I can't take the train anymore, can't buy any food anymore and cannot sign up for video stores that rent/sell porn either.
I'm probably just an idiot who goes to great lengths to feel comfortable but considering that I was once almost run over by a truck just passing a crossing, I'd say there are worse things that can happen than some random guy having an outdated picture of me with my name underneath. also knowing the adress of a student, for a burglar, just means knowing which address to avoid, because there isn't much to get anyway.

Well, that's the horror scenarios I can come up with, don't know why else someone would think this is a horrible thing to have.