Question about roman units

[sky_hawks]

I would to know if Camilan version of the units are better than the Polybian version of the same unit. It seems like the units in the Camilan era have better attacks and defence than the Polybian units.

For example
Camilan Tiarii have 16 attack and 28 defence, while the Polybian Tiarii have 15 attack and 25 defence.

[Mulceber]

Triarii in general have worse defense as time goes on - probably part of the reason why the Romans did away with them. I think the Hastati and Principes have better stats...though I could be wrong... -M

[Megas Methuselah]

Hurry up, Aemilius Paulus!

[Aemilius Paulus]

In general, Camillians are the strongest in terms of pure stats (i.e. attack & defence). However, the Marians are the real winners. They have more men, more morale, more stamina, and they can form a testudo. Just among the few advantages of Marian legionaries. Unfortunately, in basic stats they fail to stand up to Camillian Principes. Just like Antisignani fail to stand up to Camillian Triarii. So, if you like good units, switch to the Marian Era. It will pay off, trust me and the experience of thousands of other EB players:yes:

As for Polybians, I suggest you attempt to get out of that era as fast as you can. The morale of those units slightly, barely increases, but they will get killed faster, and kill less themselves. All of their other stats are worse.

Also, all this depends on how much you need the morale. If you are constantly fighting last stand battles, attack and defence is useless when your units are routing. You would need morale. However, if you are having easy time in the campaign like me, for instance, then you should opt for better stats that would minimise the casualties among your troops.

Finally, all this depends on your playing style. But since you do not seem like a role-playing type of person to me, then I suggest the aforementioned.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Hurry up, Aemilius Paulus!
For your info, Micro Meth, my posts on game mechanics are the most useful on these forums. Remember that two page (by MS Word reckoning)post on the traits required to obtain Roman Reforms?? So, despite your jesting nature, STFU would be quite a fitting comment/reply :clown:.

Oh, and you cannot just edit your post, as my quoting of your spam will not change even if you edit your post. Anything inside quote tags does not get changed. Even when people change their names, the old quoting of those people's posts still show their old names.Ex: Gertrude/Rastapopulous, that infamous troll.

Seriously, that guy was the worst I have ever met on these forums. He was actually a real troll. Really. 97% of his threads were locked.

[Megas Methuselah]

Whooooaa, soooorry!! *sticks hands up in the air*

I only wanted to see what you had to say, knowing your answer would be full of wisdom and limited glory.

[A Very Super Market]

Oh... it's fun watching you two...

[Scipio Asiaticus]

On the subject of Polybian and Marian reforms, do these events take place at a particular date or are they created by me doing something?
In view of the Polybian units, been slightly inferior to Camillan units, therefore should your army composition change to include, more Greek orientated units to beef up the overall attack and defense? Previously in other TW games I would use Mercenaries, but they are very expensive, so I do try to avoid using them as much as might have done

[A Very Super Market]

Polybians will happen, I think at 210 BC. They can happen before this, though.

Read the FAQ that is stickied, please.

[Nachtmeister]

From FAQ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=84854):


-At least year 242
-Hold 2 of these cities (Segesta, Mediolanum, Patavium, Bononia)
-Hold 2 of these cities (Lilibeo, Messana, Syracuse)
OR
-Wait until 210BC
(You get the new units only after upgrading your MICs.)


Including regionals is always a good Idea, though I would mainly stick with Samnites (the "milites" especially) as they are THE uber melee infantry.
But take a look at the "Roman unit guide": https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93896

Hope this solves your issue.

Personally I consider using Greeks as a bit problematic as Hoplitai are THE center unit on def mode, but historically the center was normally
-front line: Hastati
-second line: Principes (and NOT more principes than hastati, rather the other way around - even if it means retraining a lot, unfortunately no modern society has more $4000/month earners than $2000/month earners - it was no different with Rome even if they had no dollar-bills)
Third line: Triarii (HALF as many as principes or hastaty at the most; they were quite rich citizens, only topped by the equites, but equites - well, look at what it takes nowadays to hold a knight's title in GB, they are usually millionaires at the very least...)
And all of these were in the Roman CENTER, with allied/foreign troops making up the "wings" or flanks-intended-to-envelope the enemy, so Hoplitai are still excellent infantry but using them for what they are best at (holding the main line) is history-aesthetically not very pretty. Unless I got it all backwards - in this case someone correct me please.

[Scipio Asiaticus]

A Very Supermarket and Nachtmeister,

Thanks very much for info, my apologies for my laziness. Next time I will look, I promise.

[-Praetor-]

I strongly advice players to use the historical roman fighting formations and general tactics, specially the quincux formation and defensive way of fighting.

That can truly bolster the fighting performance of polibian troops.

PS: Has anyone taken the time to compare the lethality between camilian and polibian units?

[Tollheit]

As for Polybians, I suggest you attempt to get out of that era as fast as you can. The morale of those units slightly, barely increases, but they will get killed faster, and kill less themselves. All of their other stats are worse.

I cannot see that - unless you fight your battles with Triarii only.

Velites: armour, defense skill and morale better than those of Leves; morale is much better
Polybian Hastati: better lethality, better armour, better morale than Camillan Hastati
Polybian Principes: better armour than Camillan Principes

[anubis88]

I thought that the EB team answered this question a long time ago. AFAIK the Polybian units are much better in those stats that can't be seen... i guess lethality, morale etc...

[sgsandor]

I would to know if Camilan version of the units are better than the Polybian version of the same unit. It seems like the units in the Camilan era have better attacks and defence than the Polybian units.

For example
Camilan Tiarii have 16 attack and 28 defence, while the Polybian Tiarii have 15 attack and 25 defence.

So i was looking at the description of the units in the data folder and can not tell where the differnce is there, are these stats according to the unit cards? How can one tell the stats in the descr_unit ? I know unit size and moral but these items i have no idea on and am now curious. Any help would be awesome:yes:

[Tollheit]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=88859

[sgsandor]

Tollheit, thank you ! I was hoping for something like this! you rock:balloon2:

[antisocialmunky]

Camillian Triarii are better but that's about it.