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Okay, I think by now, enough total war players have played Empire enough to know that it's a steaming pile of horse maneur. Naval combat is visually spectacular, but the land battles, lack of a multiplayer chatroom, lack of the option to input currency, ridiculously large and simplistic campaign map, and a number of bugs makes it a mediocre game. I do appreciate the CA team for trying their hardest to appease the fans, but I really don't think they developed it enough. I'd like to see everyone's opinions on the next total war and if it would be possible to expand from Shogun; possibly make an Asia: Total War? Asia has such a rich history, so many personalities to choose from, and so many violent and turbulent eras to work with that I can't possibly see a reason for why CA would pass up the opportunity to start working with Asia. And also, since I have asianic heritage, I'd rather like to have the opportunity to spread yellow fever across the entire Pacific, possibly into Europe. European Imperialism makes me angry and I want to carve up Europe with an Asian nation, damnit!
Aemilius Paulus
03-14-2009, 03:23
There has been numerous threads like this before. Usually people point out that the consumers are not as interested in Asian history as they might be in Roman history, Napoleonic Wars, and Medieval Europe.
Also, what I usually say is that if the game becomes popular in Asia, more specifically in South East Asia or China, CA will not receive money from those regions anyway, due to the high amount of piracy there. There are vendors selling pirated CDs everywhere in those countries. Just like in Russia. Which is why Asia: or Russia: Total Wars are not coming out any time soon...
A Very Super Market
03-14-2009, 04:38
I would be happy with a (better) ETW that encompassed the whole world.
penguinking
03-14-2009, 05:19
Rome 2 Total War, using the ETW engine, is the logical next step. Ancient naval battles would be really cool.
Have they finally managed to create a worthwhile diplomacy system at least?
Marcus Ulpius
03-14-2009, 09:44
I think they are running out of possibilities. They can't already go forward in history, because more recent ages have a totally different warfare and, as was pointed out, Asian history is not something they will be successful in selling. If there will be another Total War game it will most likely be Rome 3, or Dark Ages or something (considering that Dark Ages were only slightly covered by the BI add-on).
sgsandor
03-14-2009, 10:34
Rome 2 Total War, using the ETW engine, is the logical next step. Ancient naval battles would be really cool.
This may be cool, but that tech tree is not fun and the way you build things in the city and province needs a little work
Africanvs
03-14-2009, 13:19
I would like to see them hire the EB team to work for them as professional game designers so RTW2 would be a thing of beauty. Failing that, I just hope that whatever they release, they make it as moddable as possible so the afformentioned EB team we love so much can turn whatever piece of junk they release into a true historical simulation. That being said, I have no ill-will toward CA, without RTW there would be no EB. The most likely next step for CA will be a couple of expansions for ETW.
Husker98
03-14-2009, 18:44
I would like to see them hire the EB team to work for them as professional game designers so RTW2 would be a thing of beauty. Failing that, I just hope that whatever they release, they make it as moddable as possible so the afformentioned EB team we love so much can turn whatever piece of junk they release into a true historical simulation. That being said, I have no ill-will toward CA, without RTW there would be no EB. The most likely next step for CA will be a couple of expansions for ETW.
I agree with u i also have no ill will twords CA but and total war but their historical accuracy is sometimes quit laughable ( point and case Byzantium in medieval total war 2 none of the byzantine infantry are correct) and the same is true for several factions on their other games. i keep getting the feeling every time i play vanilla that they rushed the game like they were just in a hurry to get the game on the market. idk y they would tho its not like they have any real competitiion.
In reference to the next total war game i think its going to be a American Civil war expansion or a Napoleon expansion. I would love to see a remake of Shogun Total war but as u guys pointed out above prolly not. The next full total war game im think is Rome Total war II and as u guys mentioned above they had better employ the EB team so that the end product is better than last times. And in their next full game i pray to god that the either cange/ revamp the AI so that its like ur actually negotiating with and waging war against another country and not 4 year old...
Marcus Ulpius
03-14-2009, 22:31
I wouldn't hold my breath on CA employing the EB team or doing anything similar to EB with their next Rome game (if it is in the plans). EB is the mod for a niche audience, for history fans. For general strategy game consumer it will look most likely as long, overcomplicated, confusing and tbh, pretty overwhelming. I only hope that their next Rome game will be very flexible and the EB team could create another great mod with it:2thumbsup:
I think EB proved that "historical accuracy" doesn't have to be boring. Tbh the units in EB looks ten times cooler than the units in vanilla Rome.
IrishHitman
03-15-2009, 00:21
Okay, I think by now, enough total war players have played Empire enough to know that it's a steaming pile of horse maneur. Naval combat is visually spectacular, but the land battles, lack of a multiplayer chatroom, lack of the option to input currency, ridiculously large and simplistic campaign map, and a number of bugs makes it a mediocre game. I do appreciate the CA team for trying their hardest to appease the fans, but I really don't think they developed it enough. I'd like to see everyone's opinions on the next total war and if it would be possible to expand from Shogun; possibly make an Asia: Total War? Asia has such a rich history, so many personalities to choose from, and so many violent and turbulent eras to work with that I can't possibly see a reason for why CA would pass up the opportunity to start working with Asia. And also, since I have asianic heritage, I'd rather like to have the opportunity to spread yellow fever across the entire Pacific, possibly into Europe. European Imperialism makes me angry and I want to carve up Europe with an Asian nation, damnit!
You tried and failed.
We absorbed or annihilated Asian attempts to enslave us.
VIVE L'EUROPE!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Flag_of_Europe.svg/200px-Flag_of_Europe.svg.png
Starforge
03-15-2009, 01:42
If done well - Asia would be great. Problem is, I don't think it would be done well.
To me - probably the worst design decision they made (and they started this route with BI) was to speed up the game. Less cities, faster turns, let's get to the action quickly. The 14 yr olds might get bored might be a sound marketing decision but makes (for me) a less involved and fun game. Might as well drop the campaign map entirely and just script a series of land or naval battles - ie. make it a pure action game.
Steam, the tournaments, the general MP play - it seems to be where the focus is and lets face it - it's far cheaper and subject to less criticism overall (I'm guessing) than trying to program a decent AI on a complex and involved campaign map.
EB - campaigns take weeks to months (for me.) Less time with vanilla but still days / weeks.
ETW - finished in a day or 2.
That's not an accident.
antisocialmunky
03-15-2009, 02:19
You tried and failed.
We absorbed or annihilated Asian attempts to enslave us.
VIVE L'EUROPE!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Flag_of_Europe.svg/200px-Flag_of_Europe.svg.png
There are still more of us than there are of you. :smash:
Funny, I'd always associated you with Britain, munky.
IrishHitman
03-15-2009, 02:31
There are still more of us than there are of you. :smash:
You're not united :P
antisocialmunky
03-15-2009, 04:41
And your manufacturing capabilities are being transfered to Asia.
A Very Super Market
03-15-2009, 04:42
Oh, really? >:D
antisocialmunky
03-15-2009, 04:48
I'm being silly because Irish is being silly. Don't take that as a cue for an outsourcing debate.
A Very Super Market
03-15-2009, 05:06
I was being silly too. I'm Asian. It was a response to Irish.
And while Europe and Asia vie for supremacy the Bartixians are waiting in their diamond moon bases for the time to reclaim what is rightfully theirs.
Elephantoi shall rain from the sky!
What about Ice Age: Total War? Naked barbarians against Mammuthus and the birth of battle tactics! :yes:
antisocialmunky
03-17-2009, 14:31
Tech Tree: "Fire, Wheel, Soap"
Lysimachos
03-17-2009, 14:59
You've achieved to gather a whole lot of offtopic here, guys :inquisitive:
I have no secret knowledge of any kind and I'm not too familiar with any official statements, but I would think that the next TW would be another one in a gunpowder age background, so they could reuse the ETW engine without changing too much. Napoleon could be a good possibility for an addon, while I'd like to see a game that begins where Medieval ends: with warfare with Pike and Musket, the Tercio, Gewalthaufen, you know what I mean. A game that would include the religious conflicts in the 16th and 17th century, namely 30 years war, and the turkish attacks on Austria could be interesting.
Aside from this speculation, I'd like to see a Shogun 2, too. The variety is not so great, because all Clans share the same culture, but I remember Shogun 1 as the vanilla game with the most authentic and thrilling atmosphere, yet.
Besides, I can't understand how anyone can not like Samurai and Ninjas :laugh4:
And a last point: The latest period which I could imagine in a TW game would be the american civil war, if at all. Everything later just doesn't fit anymore.
IrishHitman
03-17-2009, 15:32
And your manufacturing capabilities are being transfered to Asia.
No, that's just the US.
We have Eastern Europe for all our cheap labour needs.
Now they're whinging because we want it back.
THIS IS SARKOZY!!!!!
Excuse me, I have some whiskey to attend to.
antisocialmunky
03-17-2009, 16:07
America doesn't have horrible unemployment and tons of marginalized Muslim imigrants.
Besides, I can't understand how anyone can not like Samurai and Ninjas :laugh4:
Bah, poor foot soldiers. Their only use is to get hunted down and impaled by the kontos of my cataphracts! :turtle:
Why does nobody mention Silk Road: Total War?
It should be set in 1AD, beginning from Han china, Mongol/Xiongnu, Bactria (already dead?), India, Saka, Parthians, Dacians, and eventually Romans and Germans!
I can't wait to play chinese crossbowmen vs legionaires... :smash:
A Very Super Market
03-17-2009, 17:04
Hm... does anyone want to start a China vs. Rome discussion?
I'll be waiting quietly...
SwissBarbar
03-17-2009, 17:09
sure. Roma Victor. :whip: The chinese would be so eager fighting each other, that they didn't realize that the romans are conquering them
Nah, by 1AD china was unified, all under one emperor! Although it faced great internal crisis at that point of time. But romans wouldn't be able to pass iran and steppe anyway :no:
A Very Super Market
03-17-2009, 17:17
Que pasa?
I don't know what you mean by that, but the Warring States and Three kingdoms eras were very short. Let's talk... Middle of the Han dynasty.
AqD, who cares? That's like saying, don't imagine anything. Obviously, we realize that Rome couldn't get there, since if they could, we wouldn't be having a what-if discussion.
SwissBarbar
03-17-2009, 17:19
True true. Weren't the Sassanids the only people that was "granted" a right to exist independent from Rome? I remember having read sth. like that somewhere, but I have no sources ready.
A Very Super Market
03-17-2009, 17:22
Rome didn't have much contact with the Chinese, since their contact with the silk trade was from Middle Eastern middlemen. They didn't know about our great empire, really.
Oh, go to the wikipedia and click on some of the sources. They are really interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Roman_relations
Kara Mustafa
03-17-2009, 17:31
I would like to see something like Persia TW starting around 6th century BC with Persians, Medians Babylonians, Egyptians, warring Greek states, etc.
Otherwise Dark Age TW would be cool too. Cordoban caliphate, Carolingian empire, Great Moravia, Old Magyars...so many possibilities :2thumbsup:
Personally I would like to see one based around the warring states. One based around the Mongol conquests would be good too. The main argument against a total war game set in the east is that the mainly western fans of the games would not be interested but I think mongols are well known enough to overcome that (rather weak) argument.
My gut feeling is that the next game (after expansions) will be Rome 2 or maybe another gunpowder era game then Rome 2.
If it is another gunpowder game then I'm not sure where they'd go WW1 and WW2 would require a massive change to the point where it essentialy would not be a total war game, that leaves you with either the renaissance or the early modern era (Crimean and American Civil wars both happend during this period).
Africanvs
03-17-2009, 18:35
Personally I would like to see one based around the warring states. One based around the Mongol conquests would be good too. The main argument against a total war game set in the east is that the mainly western fans of the games would not be interested but I think mongols are well known enough to overcome that (rather weak) argument.
My gut feeling is that the next game (after expansions) will be Rome 2 or maybe another gunpowder era game then Rome 2.
If it is another gunpowder game then I'm not sure where they'd go WW1 and WW2 would require a massive change to the point where it essentialy would not be a total war game, that leaves you with either the renaissance or the early modern era (Crimean and American Civil wars both happend during this period).
I don't know, I wouldn't say no one in the west would be interested in a game set in Asia. There are a lot of games set in the east that have been big hits in the west such as Romance of the three kingdoms, Shogun total war etc. By now CA has had so many hits, they can afford to be a little sentemental anyway and release a game based on their first. But you're probably thinking in terms of a game that is historically accurate not being as interesting to westerners. You know CA is going to have crazy Samurai using killer death finishing moves, invisible ninjas, and huge ships with cannons on them to make it look cool and market it to as many people as possible. Although maybe they've turned over a new leaf. From what I can tell ETW is the most historically accurate yet.
IrishHitman
03-17-2009, 19:18
America doesn't have horrible unemployment and tons of marginalized Muslim imigrants.
Actually, America has worse unemployment and even worse immigrant problems.
America has looser laws on laying people off, Europe has stricter laws...
Muslim immigrants talk the talk, but there are no armed Muslim gangs going around European cities.
There is no "Florencia 13" ridiculousness.
I would like to see an Antiquity Total War, stretching from spain to china, and as far south as sri lanka and sub saharan africa. That way it would be like 3-4 games roled into one, and if Rome happened to conquer all of europe it could move onto asia :whip:
Plus I think th EB team and CA team should work together to make a game that is both marketable yet fun and historically accurate.
Macilrille
03-17-2009, 21:36
Irish, have a look at Danish news these past two months if you think there are no armed Muslim gangs in Europe. Too bad for nice and well-integrated people. There is a post a bit down and with links in this Blog http://jrc-1138.blogspot.com/
Anyway, that again is neither here, nor there, this is a forum for discussions of Europa Barbarorum.
IrishHitman
03-17-2009, 23:00
Irish, have a look at Danish news these past two months if you think there are no armed Muslim gangs in Europe. Too bad for nice and well-integrated people. There is a post a bit down and with links in this Blog http://jrc-1138.blogspot.com/
Anyway, that again is neither here, nor there, this is a forum for discussions of Europa Barbarorum.
I don't trust blogs.
Macilrille
03-17-2009, 23:12
LOL @ you then, there are many an interesting and informative blog around. Saying you do not trust Blogs is a gross generalisation much like saying you do not trust newspapers cause you have have read some tabloids...
But follow the links to the Newspaper articles then. Or I can find lots of them for you in Danish, or trust my word, for I live here and the problem exists.
It does not belong in an EB Forum though. So I hereby desist from more comments in this thread.
I can edit though when my word is doubted.
Notice that UK has issued a travel alert for Copenhagen.
Second- largest public service channel in Denmark, http://nyhederne-dyn.tv2.dk/krimi/article.php/id-20831906.html, Danish though, sso not much use to you.
Largest Newspaper, yes the one with the drawings, so biased, but nonetheless valid, English, http://jp.dk/arkiv/?id=1634052&eceExpr=gang%20war%22%20/%3E&eceArchive=o
http://jp.dk/arkiv/?id=1626797&eceExpr=shooting%22%20/%3E&eceArchive=o
http://jp.dk/arkiv/?id=1620544&eceExpr=shooting%22%20/%3E&eceArchive=o
http://jp.dk/arkiv/?id=1619193&eceExpr=shooting%22%20/%3E&eceArchive=o
http://jp.dk/arkiv/?id=1608622&eceExpr=shooting%22%20/%3E&eceArchive=o
http://jp.dk/arkiv/?id=1607425&eceExpr=shooting%22%20/%3E&eceArchive=o
Its socialist/Politically Correct opponent Politikken, in English, http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article670782.ece
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article670782.ece
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article670782.ece
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article660331.ece
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article659881.ece
Be so kind as to never doubt my word again, I am a man of enough honour that I have risked my life for it and my word is good.
IrishHitman
03-17-2009, 23:24
LOL @ you then, there are many an interesting and informative blog around. Saying you do not trust Blogs is a gross generalisation much like saying you do not trust newspapers cause you have have read some tabloids...
Interesting and informative they may be, but until you can provide links to respectable newspapers or other news media that prove there are organised muslim gangs operating in Denmark, I won't believe you.
And I do mean organised, crazy fundamentalists who want to do honour killings don't count.
Furthermore, the difference between a couple of lads in Denmark compared to the many MANY immigrant gangs in the US is quite telling.
My point still stands.
I don't know, I wouldn't say no one in the west would be interested in a game set in Asia. There are a lot of games set in the east that have been big hits in the west such as Romance of the three kingdoms, Shogun total war etc.
Oh no i completely agree with you, its just that whenever there is a discussion about the next TW that seems to be the most common response against a Asian game.
You know CA is going to have crazy Samurai using killer death finishing moves, invisible ninjas, and huge ships with cannons on them to make it look cool and market it to as many people as possible.
Ha! maybe we'll get Zheng He's treasure fleet of wooden supertankers.:laugh4:
Apázlinemjó
03-17-2009, 23:35
A Total War game about the Mesopotamian city states' wars before Hammurabi's time? :dizzy2:
antisocialmunky
03-18-2009, 00:03
Actually, America has worse unemployment and even worse immigrant problems.
America has looser laws on laying people off, Europe has stricter laws...
Muslim immigrants talk the talk, but there are no armed Muslim gangs going around European cities.
There is no "Florencia 13" ridiculousness.
Actually, I just checked the '08 numbers, its about the same with Europe slightly worse by .2%.:inquisitive: I can't find a well sourced 2009 EU one:-\.
This pointless conversation has been good and fun but its not going to lead anywhere and just spam up this thread. I don't think anyone is going to convince the other about the country they live in being better. Atleast not with the shenanigans of sweeping generalizations. :-)
You know, Asia:TW is always shot down because people think there is no interest but it keeps getting brought up. There's no reason not to do an Asia:TW in place of a SII:TW because of how big the scope of TWs are now.
The TWE engine tends to favour a "rise and rise" scenario where one power conquers a whole gaggle of others. Its a simple narrative arc: powers slug it out until one is left standing. Unifying japan is a good one, and the Rise of rome is the supreme example. Strangely enough MTW worked (sort of) because of the frequent revolts (especially when a good king died and a dumb heir inherited) and reviving states.
Examples of a "rise and rise" period of warfare are: Iron age ME (from Assyria to Persia) maybe 800-500 BC, Warring States (476-256, 220 years is long wenough for a good game) china (less diversity but genuine tactical development and cool ancillaries like Sun Tzu), Rise of France (Clovis to Charlemagne) battle for hegemony in the ruins of the western empire between franks, Muslims, Northmen, Saxons, Avars, great cultural diversity but less of a visible "tech tree" in fact more of a "tech loss tree" as the cities are nerfed. Winner gets a crown from the pope (or they can behead the pope if they prefer).
If you can get the revolt mechanism right, then other "balance of power" scenarios could be viable. Early Modern europe TW has a multitude of eras and narratives in the span 1500-1700. You'd have Spain, Turks, HRE, France, England.
How about Luwian Total War, the struggles of the Hittites to control Arzawa, fend off Urartu, keep the Egyptians out of Syria and stop the Ahhiyawans from getting revenge on Alaksandas (or is it Piyamaradu) in Wilusiya? Not much of a tech tree there either, maybe a step from Bronze age to Iron age.
...Ha! maybe we'll get Zheng He's treasure fleet of wooden supertankers.:laugh4:
Classic. If they base it on that wonderful fantasy 1421 then there'll be icebreakers and "stealth junks" that can visit Europe and civilise it without ever being detected.
However Chinese history (real history, not crank theories) is an amazing and fascinating subject and well worthy of being explored in game form.
Classic. If they base it on that wonderful fantasy 1421 then there'll be icebreakers and "stealth junks" that can visit Europe and civilise it without ever being detected.
However Chinese history (real history, not crank theories) is an amazing and fascinating subject and well worthy of being explored in game form.
Wait...are you saying Cheng Ho didn't exist?
personnally the best would be IRISH:total war then we could have drunk irishmen running around slautering all the other barbarians and romans that would be awsome but maybe thats just me =D
ziegenpeter
03-18-2009, 22:36
I would really like Heiliges Römisches Reich: TW (I know thers a mod, bt its not finished). playable would be the 7 price electors(right word?) and maybe some of their more important vassals. Unplayable the surrounding factions. But thats maybe more an expabsion for MTWIII...
IrishHitman
03-18-2009, 22:51
personnally the best would be IRISH:total war then we could have drunk irishmen running around slautering all the other barbarians and romans that would be awsome but maybe thats just me =D
Irish Warfare pre-gunpowder was boring...
Except for when the Vikings dropped in.
Olaf Blackeyes
03-18-2009, 23:05
Vikings are ****ing fun!
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I would absolutely LOVE to see and Asia TW of SOME type to replace STWII.
penguinking
03-19-2009, 01:09
Has CA confirmed that there will be another Total War game?
Wait...are you saying Cheng Ho didn't exist?
Wait...didn't you read my post?
I think the voyage of the Chinese treasure fleet is one of the most fascinating episodes in world history, a knife edge moment when a great power rolls its influence out in a kind of international thunderclap. It ranks in its potential with Columbus and Da Gama's voyages...you wonder what might have been if the policy had not been so firmly reversed. According to the EEP/AGC boys over at EU then they'd have suffered a -7 stab hit and a monster revolt increase but acquired Muslim (or was it Orthodox?) Tech.
However "gilding the lily" and pretending that the fleet visited Antartica or the moon or Italy is just embarrassing and degrades the discipline of history. I was refering in particular to the silly notion that Junks somehow sailed across the north coast of Asia to Scandinavia.
However "gilding the lily" and pretending that the fleet visited Antartica or the moon or Italy is just embarrassing and degrades the discipline of history. I was refering in particular to the silly notion that Junks somehow sailed across the north coast of Asia to Scandinavia.
0_0 Never heard that one before.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, it was kind of ambiguous. :sweatdrop:
It a book called 1421 by a guy called Gavin Menzies, it makes some fairly ridiculous claims based on some very shakey linguistics, non existant or disproven archeology (one structure in australia turned out to be a 150 year old retaining wall) and what basically boils down to his own opinion presented as fact.
His book also states thet he is an expert on chinese history despite not being A: able to read chinese or B: a historian (he's a retired royal navy captain if i remember correct).
He's also relased another book about how it was china that started the renaissance which from what i've heard is even more flawed.
athanaric
03-19-2009, 13:29
I think that there are quite a few Europeans and Americans who would like to play a TW game set in Eastern Asia. Also, what about Japanese and Koreans? Surely a lot of them would actually buy such a game, instead of pirating it?
As for a Rome II Total War, I don't believe it will be made. At least not during the next five to ten years.
antisocialmunky
03-19-2009, 19:42
It a book called 1421 by a guy called Gavin Menzies, it makes some fairly ridiculous claims based on some very shakey linguistics, non existant or disproven archeology (one structure in australia turned out to be a 150 year old retaining wall) and what basically boils down to his own opinion presented as fact.
His book also states thet he is an expert on chinese history despite not being A: able to read chinese or B: a historian (he's a retired royal navy captain if i remember correct).
He's also relased another book about how it was china that started the renaissance which from what i've heard is even more flawed.
I think that one of my friends told me to read that. He said it was fairly interesting summary of the Fleet until the author goes off the deep end starts talking about Trans-Pacific Voyages.:laugh4:
IrishHitman
03-19-2009, 20:19
Wait...didn't you read my post?
I think the voyage of the Chinese treasure fleet is one of the most fascinating episodes in world history, a knife edge moment when a great power rolls its influence out in a kind of international thunderclap. It ranks in its potential with Columbus and Da Gama's voyages...you wonder what might have been if the policy had not been so firmly reversed. According to the EEP/AGC boys over at EU then they'd have suffered a -7 stab hit and a monster revolt increase but acquired Muslim (or was it Orthodox?) Tech.
However "gilding the lily" and pretending that the fleet visited Antartica or the moon or Italy is just embarrassing and degrades the discipline of history. I was refering in particular to the silly notion that Junks somehow sailed across the north coast of Asia to Scandinavia.
It was more impressive than Columbus or Da Gama...
They had a military and trade purposes as well as exploration...
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0_0 Never heard that one before.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, it was kind of ambiguous. :sweatdrop:
No wucks. There's a general information defecit on Chinese history thats pretty embarrassing, so I understand if you react to just another guy seeming to downgrade the acheivemnets of a major world culture.
I think interest in Chinese history is increasing and games on the subject will become more viable commercially.
Comparisons are invidious of course but its hard not to "line 'em up" and rank "Rome vs China vs Persia" etc and its hard to position them in my mind. Not that i want to rank them from 1 to 10 or anything...actually I do. maybe in amore complex or appealing way, but I want a top 10. Top 10 what? I don't even know.
Part of the probelm is the Yellow Rivers relative isolation from the other 3 great cradles of the Old World (the Indus, Mesopotamia and Nile). A great culture like persian has cast a cultural shadow over central Asia and Northern India, and heavily contributed to Islamic, Turkic, Greek and numerous other cultures and subcultures. Of course they are the heirs to preexisting Mesopotamian and Indus cultures. When Greeks and persians collide, first Cyrus wins a partial victory, then Xerxes gets stymied, then Alexander scores a Heroic Victory, so if you want to rank them militarily, theres a clear outcome. Culturally you can talk about Persia's amazing literary legacy (esp. poetry) and as a court language across many cultures, vs Greeks tradition of systemic thought which is so important in science. Which one wins? Maybe Greek but by golly its a close run thing.
With China the outside contacts are more tenuous and you can't say Legions ftw vs crossbow chariots. China famously absorbed anyone who ever conquered them (well mostly) so were they militarily weak, culturally strong, or what? Definitely worth exploring those ideas in a game format. How do you model Manchu or Mongol overlords becoming Sinicised? Not to mention the interesting ideas of trade-as-diplomacy, and the mandate of heaven.
How do you model Manchu or Mongol overlords becoming Sinicised? Not to mention the interesting ideas of trade-as-diplomacy, and the mandate of heaven.
I don't really think you should, because that would mean you got conquered. :skull:
I'm usually fine with the Yuan Dynasty, but not when it's developing over my FL's dead body. :laugh4:
I think that there are quite a few Europeans and Americans who would like to play a TW game set in Eastern Asia.
I tried Blue Lotus half an eternity ago, it was quite unfinished but probably has had much work since then. Perhaps that would satisfy some's thirst for Asian TW. It's hardly a realistic mod though.
Fluvius Camillus
03-20-2009, 18:13
America doesn't have horrible unemployment and tons of marginalized Muslim imigrants.
No they have their unpayable national debt, bankrupt citizens, a non-functioning health care system and all those wonderful outdated infrastructure and industry... Muslims.... yes it can be a pain, but you have.... mexicans!
EDIT: oh this off topic discussion has ended...
Then I would like to suggest a new tw before RTW timeframe, something what represents the Achaemenid Persians, Macedon, Magna Graecia, Egypt, Thebes, Sparta, Corinth, Athens and Thessalia.
Might end at alexanders conquest.
Rome 2 Total War, using the ETW engine, is the logical next step. Ancient naval battles would be really cool.
seconded.
Rome will always sell.
Publius Aelius Hadrianus
03-20-2009, 23:37
word in the street is that the next title will be rome total war 2
MarcusAureliusAntoninus
03-21-2009, 00:43
Word was that R2TW would be the next one after M2TW and it wasn't.
Ensemble Studios:
Age of Empires
Age of Empires II: Age of Kings
Age of Empires III
Halo Wars
Creative Assembly:
Rome Total War
Medieval 2 Total War
Empire Total War
The next Total War is therefore (not counting expansions) ....
Killzone Total War
The General
03-21-2009, 10:05
I, too, would like to see a Total War set in Asia, or alternatively, in ancient (pre-antiquity) Mesopotamia(/Eastern Mediterranean/Egypt/Persia?).
Also, TW's could use a touch of EU's(/CK), perhaps mixed in with a little Civ influence...
Macilrille
03-21-2009, 10:55
Asia and Early civilisation would be interesting, but I would like to see an EB version of a Foundation of Europe AD 500 - 1200. But most of all a game spanning 509 BC - 1550-ish AD, year by year, four seasons a year, 150 factions WUHUUU!
antisocialmunky
03-21-2009, 14:02
I believe ETW is supposed to have no hard-coded limit for provinces or unit types so its quite possible if you can get the melee mechanics to work well.
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