View Full Version : Video games cause violence - ban them!
Rhyfelwyr
03-25-2009, 16:48
Saw this at the TWC and googled an article:
http://kotaku.com/5160608/brazilian-man-holds-woman-hostage-for-10-hours-with-a-sega-light-gun
So, I think this shows that video games cause a glorification of crime and violence, and need to be banned if Brazil's high levels of crime are to be dealt with.
rasoforos
03-25-2009, 16:55
If he needed money he should have sold the light gun...
These things are now quite rare and collectible. I ll bet you good money that half of the orgahs are so young that they will need to google 'master system' to find out what it is...
...I feel so old.
It is hillarious to me that an avid gamer would post this on a gaming forum, joking or not. :P :laugh4:
Rhyfelwyr
03-25-2009, 17:17
It is hillarious to me that an avid gamer would post this on a gaming forum, joking or not. :P :laugh4:
Who said I'm an avid gamer? Now that you mention it, I've never seen you outside the Tavern!
rasoforos
03-25-2009, 17:21
Who said I'm an avid gamer? Now that you mention it, I've never seen you outside the Tavern!
You ll be surprised as to many old tavern patrons rarely set foot outside the tavern...
..We come for the game, we stay for the crazy republicans/hippie liberals :2thumbsup:
Who said I'm an avid gamer? Now that you mention it, I've never seen you outside the Tavern!
lol, I sometimes venture outside. :P I actually used to post only in the MTW and RTW sections, but then I had to see what the Backroom was all about, and then...you know the rest. :P
rory_20_uk
03-25-2009, 17:34
Seconded.
Started here at Uni, now free time is far more constrained. BUt I can still be in the Tavern during the day.
~:smoking:
Rhyfelwyr
03-25-2009, 17:35
You ll be surprised as to many old tavern patrons rarely set foot outside the tavern...
..We come for the game, we stay for the crazy republicans/hippie liberals :2thumbsup:
I think this is happening to me, is there any way out???
It's got real bad since ETW won't work properly on my PC. :furious3:
Makes me want to go and bludgeon someone to death with my keyboard. :clown:
EDIT: Must stop spamming and do homework *sigh*
CountArach
03-26-2009, 01:41
Violent video games do not cause aggression (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/video_games_and_aggression/).
Many, many other studies out there that have reached the same conclusion. Just google them some time.
LittleGrizzly
03-26-2009, 01:50
I blame punch and judy...
All serial killers wacthed a punch and judy show!!
Stop the violence... end punch and judy!
on the off topic point... i rarely venture outside the tavern.. though i have a little look in stw forum and i am intrested in ETW forums quite a bit... it is mainly the tavern that keeps me here...
I don't think violent video games send people over the edge... it occasionally may give some crazy people ideas but my guess would be the movies would be better at it...
If he needed money he should have sold the light gun...
These things are now quite rare and collectible. I ll bet you good money that half of the orgahs are so young that they will need to google 'master system' to find out what it is...
...I feel so old.
Didn't Greece inadvertenly ban games once?
AGLKAHSDLKA THIS MAKES ME SO MAD I JUST WANT TO KILL SOMEONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
A Very Super Market
03-26-2009, 03:44
Maybe he thought the old lady wouldn't be able to recognize it?
a completely inoffensive name
03-26-2009, 04:53
I have yet to hear one good, fact supported argument on how video games increase violence among kids.
I can see how violent video-games can pull an already unstable person over the edge, same for violent movies, think of these two teens that murdered a toddler after watching Child's Play. Every serial-killer was inspired by something no? I also think it isn't that unlikely that violent people play violent video-games. Banning no there is a clear age rating slapped on games, user discretion. People should just come to terms with tragedy's happening, it can't be prevented suck it up.
LittleGrizzly
03-26-2009, 10:35
I think at least most of these people are so mentally unhinged that it doesn't take much... even going back a few hundred years ago we have serial killers... what where they inspired by... books ?
And then you can go back before books... what was the violence inspired by then... overly violent cave drawings ?
Sure, but just laughing of that ultra-violent videogames might have something to do with it, how far a stretch is it really, violent people playing violent videogames, extreme violence is erotic, it's primal. I think that in the end it's all sexual frustration and that any media will do, that includes videogames.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2009, 14:24
Violence on television and on video games is one of the more heavily researched social science phenomena. If you REALLY wish, I can start to dig up some of the academic studies on the subject.
In general, most of this research indicates that television and video game violence does "amp" up those who watch it for a period of time thereafter and does provide some level of desensitization to violence. Both of these effects are moderate, not sweeping in their impact. No support has been shown for tv/vid games as a CAUSE of violence and no support is has been shown for the idea that tv/vid game violence sweeps out a person's sense of right and wrong or culturally/familialy implanted inhibitions against violence.
At worst, it can help desensitize and "encourage" violence in someone who is already heading towards that choice anyway -- it will NOT make the choice for them.
I am not saying it does, but I wouldn't dismiss any influence that early and most of all easily. Again, violent people like violent entertainment, if you are already a bit of, then the chainsaw stealth-kiss might just seem inspiring.
Rhyfelwyr
03-26-2009, 17:04
What's with all these stupid replies? Can't you take a thread seriously?!?!
In case it is needed...
:clown:
I would say it's influences from parent figures and friends that cause most of these problems, violent games are exactly that, games, a game isn't real life and everyone those that, well put aside a few fruit loops and everyone knows that anyway.
Rhyfelwyr
03-27-2009, 00:31
I would say it's influences from parent figures and friends that cause most of these problems, violent games are exactly that, games, a game isn't real life and everyone those that, well put aside a few fruit loops and everyone knows that anyway.
I agree. Parents and friends must also be banned. Children should be raised by the state and only allowed to play approved educative video games.
EDIT: That thought just sent a shiver down my spine, especially the last part. Gah!
Property taxes cause violence - ban them! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster)
Property taxes cause violence - ban them! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster)
OMG! What a ******* psychopath! That is one of the most disturbing things I have every read.
I think all children that engage in crime will have to play Katamari Damacy. Everything will be fixed then.
Rhyfelwyr
03-27-2009, 14:20
I think we should just pick some random schools, give all the children weapons, and make them fight to the death, Battle Royal stlye.
LittleGrizzly
03-27-2009, 14:56
I would also like to say that my lego figures used to have some horrific fight... thanks to legs heads and body's being detachable from each other you could be left with a messy scene... the losers where also usualy imprisoned in horrific conditions...
Ban the lego!!
Im sure i used to be an imaginaary solider or cowboy sometimes as well, making a gun shape with my hand and shooting noises... so easily amused...
Ban children imaginations!
Seamus Fermanagh
03-27-2009, 16:32
...Ban children imaginations!
We have Ritalin for that.
rasoforos
03-27-2009, 16:38
Didn't Greece inadvertenly ban games once?
Of course we did!
Well basically it was legal to sell them but illegal to play them for 3-4 days.
Our wise and really old dinosaurs of MP's wanted to pass a law that would prohibit 'fruit machines' in arcades because it encouraged uncontrolled gambling on easily tampered with machines. So they made a law that banned playing electronic games that have a 'luck element' outside casinos and voila we banned video games!
I believe it is one of the best examples of how the ones who govern a country have no touch with the reality of the country.
When they realized what they did they amended the law amongst widespread laughter by the general populace. Judging by how unlawful we are many people probably felt sad that games were legalized once more. Nothing better than the thrill you get by playing a game of minesweeper behind the cops' nose. :beam:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
03-27-2009, 17:35
Ban Video Games? Why not Ban Lego's? Toy Soliders? :laugh4:
So, I think this shows that video games cause a glorification of crime and violence, and need to be banned if Brazil's high levels of crime are to be dealt with.
Brazil high levels of criminality are caused by video games????
Why is this discussion so easily dismissed, because we are gamers ourselves and would never go on a rampage? Most of us here are adults, we can't know what long sessions of games like Manhunt or GTA can do, they weren't there when we were young, but I bet most of us played being a ninja after a kung-fu movie. These age ratings should be taken seriously, it isn't just a game it is an extremely violent game. Let's take Manhunt;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGuhX5AmjuA
Do you really think things like this have zero effect on a kid? I am not a parent but I wouldn't expose my kids to something like this until they are at least 16. Sometimes I encounter kids that can't be older then 10 playing Call of Duty World at War, that game is incredibly brutal, that can't be healthy.
Rhyfelwyr
03-28-2009, 12:55
Brazil high levels of criminality are caused by video games????
Yes.
But Fragony has a point. I've never played Manhunt before, there is some sick, sick, stuff in that video. Games like that really should be banned, I wouldn't trust an 18 year old more than a 10 year old with them.
Want to see gore when you shoot up monsters or aliens or Nazi's, then fine. But the killing in that is just far too... personal, and at times pointlessly sick (a sickle up the rear :sick:). Wow.
"Dieses Video ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar."
translation: This video is not available in your country. :laugh4:
Games like that really should be banned
Not saying that, but the argument shouldn't be just dismissed. Manhunt is a great game by the way.
Rhyfelwyr
03-28-2009, 15:59
Not saying that, but the argument shouldn't be just dismissed. Manhunt is a great game by the way.
It's just that some of the killings in that video were done in a pointlessly cruel way. I can understand if there's gore and you're trying to simulate realistic gang warfare or whatever, but why have so many bizarre, inefficiently gruesome ways to kill people? When game designers go out of their way to make things gruesome, then there's a problem.
a completely inoffensive name
03-28-2009, 18:38
All this talk of some games being too gory wreaks of censorship to me. Pretty soon we will have a FCC for video games now, where companies get fined for every swear or overly gory thing they put in their game.
Yes.
It is caused by poverty, a lot of people living in favelas in poor conditions and drugs. Not video games (hell, they dont even know what a video game is!)
True thing is that some games teach people to kill. Like the one Frag mentioned.
It's just that some of the killings in that video were done in a pointlessly cruel way. I can understand if there's gore and you're trying to simulate realistic gang warfare or whatever, but why have so many bizarre, inefficiently gruesome ways to kill people? When game designers go out of their way to make things gruesome, then there's a problem.
Well that is kinda my point, I think we can all agree that the violence in Manhunt is a bit much. Wouldn't ban it, but I don't really get the fun part it's nasty.
Rhyfelwyr
03-28-2009, 20:48
It is caused by poverty, a lot of people living in favelas in poor conditions and drugs. Not video games (hell, they dont even know what a video game is!)
True thing is that some games teach people to kill. Like the one Frag mentioned.
No its not its caused by video games.
This thread was made in jest btw. Although I know I've caused a bit of confusion by becoming serious in the last couple of posts.
Well that is kinda my point, I think we can all agree that the violence in Manhunt is a bit much. Wouldn't ban it, but I don't really get the fun part it's nasty.
Yeah, I wish people wouldn't make games like that, but then it is a slippery slope once you go into banning them I suppose.
the only violence that video games can create is if anyone tries to take them away from me..
I will hunt down any person responsible for such a law...and I will hurt them...severely...
Manhunt is an amazing game with fantastic atmosphere by the way.
Manhunt is an amazing game with fantastic atmosphere by the way.
Yes it's an excellent game, sick in a good way, that whole snuff thing is pulled of brilliantly. But what wonders me, are there any studies on the effect of for example violent porn, you know the stuff they make in Japan and eastern Europe, rape-porn. If let's say a 14 year old kid is exposed to extreme pornography, one of our most respected members admitted he likes violent porn, it's a fantasy perfectly harmless but he's no 14 year old. We all have violent and sexual fantasy's often a combination of the two, continious exposure to truly violent pornography, with a 14 year old boy wouldn't that lead to a rather confused take on sex? Looks so real I can't watch it, nor do I understand the appeal but what's it to me what people like. Some of the executions in Manhunt are so rediculously violent along with the sexualisation of violence, after a particulary gruesome kill the announcer says 'I just had an accident' meaning he had an orgasm. It comes from the same place. People don't like kids watching )(violent porn, but they don't seem to mind them playing ultra violent games, I don't get that. Every artform has it's extreme's, extreme horror movies, extreme porn, and extreme games.
Ban video games. But as well as that, you'd have to ban films, graphic novels, books, TV as well, otherwise you're discriminating against a particular form of media.
LittleGrizzly
03-29-2009, 11:59
I played GTA at the age of 13 and i just immaturely laughed at it... the thought of copying the game and killing people and stealing cars just didn't even occur to me...
I played GTA at the age of 13 and i just immaturely laughed at it... the thought of copying the game and killing people and stealing cars just didn't even occur to me...
Sure but you are normal. If someone kills someone rather brutally and he has the entire SAW and Hostel collection we would be like 'hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm' but when it is a videogame everybody is 'nonono of course not', I am not so sure violent games have absolutely no impact whatsoever, there should be more studies. And no, not banning, buyers discretion.
Rhyfelwyr
03-29-2009, 13:07
Yeah, video games can send people over the edge, but they don't make a madman. I don't know why video games get all the bad press, anything could have the same effect on the loonies that don't realise that Manhunt/GTA/whatever is just a game. When I used to play GTA on my GameBoy I tried to run over as many civilians as possible before the police caught me. And yet I've never felt like doing that when I'm driving in RL.
Yes it's an excellent game, sick in a good way, that whole snuff thing is pulled of brilliantly. But what wonders me, are there any studies on the effect of for example violent porn, you know the stuff they make in Japan and eastern Europe, rape-porn. If let's say a 14 year old kid is exposed to extreme pornography, one of our most respected members admitted he likes violent porn, it's a fantasy perfectly harmless but he's no 14 year old. We all have violent and sexual fantasy's often a combination of the two, continious exposure to truly violent pornography, with a 14 year old boy wouldn't that lead to a rather confused take on sex? Looks so real I can't watch it, nor do I understand the appeal but what's it to me what people like. Some of the executions in Manhunt are so rediculously violent along with the sexualisation of violence, after a particulary gruesome kill the announcer says 'I just had an accident' meaning he had an orgasm. It comes from the same place. People don't like kids watching )(violent porn, but they don't seem to mind them playing ultra violent games, I don't get that. Every artform has it's extreme's, extreme horror movies, extreme porn, and extreme games.
But why does this imaginary 14 year old comes into play here?
both extreme violent porn ( I love porn but I don´t get the point of this particular kind either) and the Manhunt game are clearly marked as being products for those 18 years old and older....
so trying to make a decision about these things by considering what impact they might have on people that are bellow the legal age to have access to them is pointless to say the least.
as if you say "yes but can´t kids get their hands on this stuff anyway??...yes they can in theory...but that´s where parents are supposed to come in.
Sure but you are normal. If someone kills someone rather brutally and he has the entire SAW and Hostel collection we would be like 'hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm' but when it is a videogame everybody is 'nonono of course not', I am not so sure violent games have absolutely no impact whatsoever, there should be more studies. And no, not banning, buyers discretion.
so we have just come to the conclusion that violent people aren´t normal anyway.......videogames have nothing to do with it...move along, nothing to see here.
But why does this imaginary 14 year old comes into play here?
Been on Xboxlife or PSN lately? Not imaginary, 14 year olds play GTA 4 all the time. 10 year olds as well. And once again it amazes me that it doesn't connect, I am not saying that we should ban anything, I am just saying that violent video-games might just have an impact, we don't know because there are hardly any studies. What does your gut say, mine says that it's possible.
There are some studies, at least I've heard of some and most say that gaming in general increases the acceptance level for violence or how it's called. There's also a study that concluded that gamers have less violent dreams but if there is violence in their dreams it is far more excessive. Partly the lack of violence or fear in their dreams may also be due to the fact that gamers are harder to scare, things that make other people perceive a dream as a scary dream, gamers would just call a normal dream.
Etc. etc., I think this is not a bad thing when people are old enough to handle it and restrain themselves. But younger people cannot always do that, up to a certain age most kids cannot even grasp sarcasm etc. so I think they should not get used to lots of violence early on because kids simply cannot differentiate as well, have a different perception of things etc.
Just look at the frontroom where we had a new member who thought some problems adults would not perceive as that bad were the end of the world for him.
Banning them altogether is not the right thing to do, but age restrictions should be enforced, by shops and parents.(And 27 year olds should stop laughing when I think they might be 17, hey, it's a compliment, innit? :sweatdrop: )
Been on Xboxlife or PSN lately? Not imaginary, 14 year olds play GTA 4 all the time. 10 year olds as well. And once again it amazes me that it doesn't connect, I am not saying that we should ban anything, I am just saying that violent video-games might just have an impact, we don't know because there are hardly any studies. What does your gut say, mine says that it's possible.
then the parents of these 14 years olds have to stop using PS3 and Xbox360 as a cheap nanny.
it´s not my problem or the computer game industry that parents are irresponsible....GTA4 is a 18+ game.
it´s not my problem or the computer game industry that parents are irresponsible....GTA4 is a 18+ game.
That is what I have been saying the whole time, these age ratings should be taken seriously but they aren't. Some games are rediculously violent, but it's just a videogame huh, like Mario. A little bit more awareness might not be such a bad idea. When it is a videogame everybody just dismisses it, while nobody would let their kids watch Ichi the Killer or Hostel or the likes. Yet cutting off someones testicles with a sickle and watching him bleed to death is ok.
Ironside
03-29-2009, 21:05
There are some studies, at least I've heard of some and most say that gaming in general increases the acceptance level for violence or how it's called. There's also a study that concluded that gamers have less violent dreams but if there is violence in their dreams it is far more excessive. Partly the lack of violence or fear in their dreams may also be due to the fact that gamers are harder to scare, things that make other people perceive a dream as a scary dream, gamers would just call a normal dream.
The current largest study done on gaming and violence concluded that the average player was less violent than the average non-player. There was a very small sub group that was very violent and prefered very violent games however. The study did conclude that it was a warning sign rather than a causation.
And I agree with Fragony, as a parent you'll need to know what your child is playing and judge if that is appropiate (easiest by following the age recommendations and then do expections from that if you judge that your child can handle the game).
There was a very small sub group that was very violent and prefered very violent games however.
So I'm not being rediculous.
The current largest study done on gaming and violence concluded that the average player was less violent than the average non-player. There was a very small sub group that was very violent and prefered very violent games however. The study did conclude that it was a warning sign rather than a causation.
That just underlines my opinion. Most people can handle the violence, but some can't, in general though, what non-gamers perceive as violence, may not seem as violent to gamers. And gamers can be very different as well, some play several hours a day, some just a few hours a week, of course that makes a difference as well.
And I wasn't arguing against Fragony, I was trying to support his argument.
That just underlines my opinion. Most people can handle the violence, but some can't, in general though, what non-gamers perceive as violence, may not seem as violent to gamers. And gamers can be very different as well, some play several hours a day, some just a few hours a week, of course that makes a difference as well.
And I wasn't arguing against Fragony, I was trying to support his argument.
I played GTA and I do not need to smash citizens, nor make fun of the police, nor save lifes or make misions.
EDIT: It is the same thing as: Lets ban pron movies because they make us bad things blah blah blah. It doesnt make sense.
EDIT: It is the same thing as: Lets ban pron movies because they make us bad things blah blah blah. It doesnt make sense.
*Loads up shotgun*
them be fighting words my friend......If that ever happens I´ll start the revolution!!! :laugh4:
I played GTA and I do not need to smash citizens, nor make fun of the police, nor save lifes or make misions.
Congratulations, you don't belong to the subgroup Ironside was talking about. All shooters played violent games, not saying that violent games made them do it, but it could be a signal that something is wrong, no friends, being picked on, inward, such a person might need some extra attention.
Congratulations from me as well as you completely missed my point, Caius. :juggle2:
Hooahguy
04-01-2009, 16:10
Congratulations, you don't belong to the subgroup Ironside was talking about. All shooters played violent games, not saying that violent games made them do it, but it could be a signal that something is wrong, no friends, being picked on, inward, such a person might need some extra attention.
or maybe they needed caring parents? not sure if this is the case of every shooter, but arent most shooters ignored by their parents?
Ironside
04-01-2009, 16:26
That just underlines my opinion. Most people can handle the violence, but some can't, in general though, what non-gamers perceive as violence, may not seem as violent to gamers. And gamers can be very different as well, some play several hours a day, some just a few hours a week, of course that makes a difference as well.
And I wasn't arguing against Fragony, I was trying to support his argument.
TBH I think Fragony explains it much better, those people are "feeding" on the violence in the games, movies, etc, not becoming violent by the game itself.
Not handling the game would rather be that you're too young to fully understand what's going on.
Don't know any studies about the effect it has on the violent personality though (well, inspiring them if they do the deed is certain, but if the odds of them doing it is the more important part).
TBH I think Fragony explains it much better, those people are "feeding" on the violence in the games, movies, etc, not becoming violent by the game itself.
No I don't, that is basicly it but more compact
a completely inoffensive name
04-02-2009, 05:56
If kids can feed off the violence from video games, surely they can feed off the love as well?
Ironside
04-02-2009, 11:36
If kids can feed off the violence from video games, surely they can feed off the love as well?
Sure, they just need to want to play such a game.
I'm using "feeding" here as that they are really wanting to play violent games as the violence itself are very stimulating for them. They are high consumers and want to be high consumers (or are obsessed) of that kind of games.
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